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Posted by: Madman - [44633210] Sun, Jul 23, 15:20
Two sets of questions.

First, does anyone know the algorithm / assignment procedure that MLB or someone uses to determine which umpiring crew goes to which ballpark for which series?

Secondly, does anyone have any knowledge concerning which umpires are known for liberal strike zones and which ones are known for tight ones?

Thanks for any and all input.
1Strike One
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      Sun, Jul 23, 15:23 		sorry, i don't know the answer to any of those questions but i think i like where it's going.
2allhair allstars
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      Sun, Jul 23, 15:29 		I like where this line of thinking is going. The big/little strike zone is a little subjective perhaps, but I can see how this type of info could make or break a pitcher's performance/sway a trade into one pitcher or another.

This type of info might me a little too crazy for some, but baseball is a game of statistics, and I can't see how a little more data could hurt.

I can see it now, a new thread - Probable Umpires 7/23.
:)
3steve houpt
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      Sun, Jul 23, 15:32 		I know the info is available somewhere for question #2. I have heard it asked before and someone had an answer. It may have been quite some time ago (even in a Guru feedback question and someone may have known before the message boards). Or maybe Mark L knew. He knows some sites with info.

#1 - sounds like a challenging one to look for. I wonder if MLB publishes it though. But I'll look around.
4steve houpt
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      Sun, Jul 23, 16:15 		Madman - here is info for 1999. And thanks Mark L. Ended up there from a site I had bookmarked from you.

baseballstuff.com

Umpire ERA, BB/9, K/9 for 1999

Of course last year there were AL/NL umps. And 21 (?) are gone. But it may help.
5GoatLocker
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      Sun, Jul 23, 16:29 		The only problem I see with this thread is that the pitcher matchup could have a lot to do with it.

What I'm saying, is that the question becomes how consistent the strike zone of that umpire is.

Is it the same for both pitchers.

If both pitchers are ACES, in my recollection, the strikezone is close to the same for both.

If one is an ace and the other is a rookie/bottom of the barrel pitcher, the strikezone seems to be narrower for the rookie/bottom of the barrel pitcher.

Just my opinion from what I've seen, and another thought to throw into the equation if you are going to check out this slant or angle.

Cliff
6Strike One
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      Sun, Jul 23, 16:32 		what i think madman is getting to is not the pitching matchup vs umpire but umpire vs strike zone, for example your more likely to go with a pitcher that pitchers with a large strike zone ump as apposed to a small strikezone ump.
7steve houpt
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      Sun, Jul 23, 16:35 		Law of averages over the course of a season 'should' (not will) average out what type of pitchers and ball parks umpires are behind the plate for.

I would imagine Pedro would do well with almost any ump. In fact the home plate ump today (Brian Onora) was next to last when it came to 'pitcher friendly' umps.
8GoatLocker
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      Sun, Jul 23, 16:38 		I understand that, but what I'm probably not doing a good job of explaining is the following scenario.

Pedro pitches against F. Castillo against a (supposed) wide strike zone umpire.

Pedro might get the wide strike zone, and F. Castillo might be pitching to a much narrower strike zone.

In other words, even with a wide strike zone umpire, the reputation of the pitcher can also influence the width of the strike zone.

If you're only looking at using it for guys like RANDRO, it might be of value.

I jus tdon't know how much value it might be for other strike-out pitchers.

Cliff
9Strike One
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      Sun, Jul 23, 16:44 		goatlocker has a good point, better pitchers get a wider strike zone...no matter who is the ump.
10Madman
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      Sun, Jul 23, 17:28 		Steve h -- great site. I was already thinking of something more sophisticated -- calculating an adjusted ERA and adjusted BB/9IP for each umpire. The list that you have doesn't factor in the quality of the pitchers that an ump is judging.

It also find it interesting to see that Onora is listed as a hitter's ump. That sure wasn't the case today with both Sirotka and Pedro getting an extremely generous strike zone. It makes me somewhat doubt whether I'll come up with much.

I'm not sure how critical goatlocker's point is about good pitchers and bad pitchers being treated differently. I'll have to think about it some.
11Madman
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      Sun, Jul 23, 21:46 		This table is subject to many criticisms, but here is the data for this year. What a pain in the $@#!@ to collect, too -- seriously.

I'm currently working on ways to control for the pitcher quality that each umpire has faced. Obviously, those umpires who've faced Randy and Pedro will have lower ERA's than those who haven't. But there are still some striking differences, especially in BB/9 IP.

This table is supported by recent anecdotal evidence I've been collecting, such as Angel Hernandez being a very fair, somewhat pitcher-friendly umpire (he was the umpire when Reichert threw his recent CG Shutout). Cousins had a tight strike zone in Ari. the other day, helping Guzman collapse, etc.

This data only pertains to statistics for starting pitchers, through 7/22. I've also not included many umpires who had less than 10 games (20 starts).

Sorry about the lack of color backgrounds, but it significantly increases the "heaviness" of the table, so unless people really want it, I'm going to quit doing it.

Name Starts IP ER BB ERA BB/9
Rocky Roe 20 119 49 57 3.71 4.31
Doug Eddings 42 272 2/3 114 82 3.76 2.71
Brian Gorman 44 261 2/3 112 94 3.85 3.23
John Hirschbeck 24 152 2/3 66 48 3.89 2.83
Phil Cuzzi 42 262 2/3 117 92 4.01 3.15
Mark Wegner 40 236 2/3 108 86 4.11 3.27
Dale Scott 38 237 2/3 113 77 4.28 2.92
Ed Rapuano 38 242 1/3 116 60 4.31 2.23
Angel Hernandez 42 254 123 75 4.36 2.66
Greg Gibson 38 236 2/3 115 91 4.37 3.46
Jerry Layne 38 225 2/3 110 82 4.39 3.27
Ron Kulpa 44 281 1/3 138 104 4.41 3.33
Brian Runge 40 247 122 97 4.45 3.53
Charlie Williams 30 180 89 81 4.45 4.05
Tim Tschida 42 251 2/3 125 92 4.47 3.29
Charles Reliford 44 256 1/3 128 104 4.49 3.65
Marvin Hudson 38 218 2/3 109 79 4.49 3.25
Tony Randazzo 42 241 2/3 121 85 4.51 3.17
Terry Craft 42 266 134 102 4.53 3.45
Alfonzo Marquez 40 243 1/3 123 119 4.55 4.40
Mike Dimuro 34 201 1/3 102 84 4.56 3.75
Steve Rippley 44 263 2/3 137 69 4.68 2.36
Brian Onora 40 239 125 80 4.71 3.01
Chris Guccione 20 129 2/3 68 61 4.72 4.23
Jim Joyce 28 166 87 73 4.72 3.96
Mark Hirschbeck 42 255 135 89 4.76 3.14
John Shulock 38 228 122 85 4.82 3.36
Laz Diaz 42 257 2/3 138 103 4.82 3.60
Mike Reilly 36 220 1/3 118 86 4.82 3.51
Ted Barrett 40 233 2/3 126 82 4.85 3.16
Randy Marsh 26 142 2/3 77 72 4.86 4.54
Mike Fichter 30 186 2/3 101 67 4.87 3.23
Bill Miller 38 220 2/3 120 69 4.89 2.81
Jerry Meals 38 227 2/3 124 111 4.90 4.39
Tim McClelland 42 243 1/3 134 112 4.96 4.14
Greg Bonin 20 125 69 50 4.97 3.60
Jim McKean 36 199 110 94 4.97 4.25
Mike Winters 40 238 132 90 4.99 3.40
Eric Cooper 40 237 1/3 132 110 5.01 4.17
Al Clark 42 251 140 98 5.02 3.51
Rick Reed 44 249 1/3 139 76 5.02 2.74
Gerry Davis 42 246 138 111 5.05 4.06
Dan Morrison 40 219 2/3 124 99 5.08 4.06
Ed Montague 40 228 2/3 129 89 5.08 3.50
Cb Bucknor 42 240 2/3 137 110 5.12 4.11
Dana Demuth 44 257 147 107 5.15 3.75
Paul Schrieber 36 205 1/3 118 83 5.17 3.64
Larry Young 40 234 1/3 135 98 5.18 3.76
Jeffrey Kellogg 40 222 1/3 129 95 5.22 3.85
Jim Reynolds 36 198 115 90 5.23 4.09
Hunter Wendelstedt 42 250 2/3 146 95 5.24 3.41
Mike Everitt 40 232 135 88 5.24 3.41
Wally Bell 44 256 149 107 5.24 3.76
Derryl Cousins 44 255 150 121 5.29 4.27
Bill Welke 38 229 135 86 5.31 3.38
Travis Katzenmeier 46 269 159 94 5.32 3.14
Marty Foster 42 251 2/3 150 104 5.36 3.72
Mike Vanvleet 40 237 2/3 142 127 5.38 4.81
Mark Carlson 42 257 157 99 5.50 3.47
Scott Higgins 24 140 1/3 86 63 5.52 4.04
Rich Rieker 46 261 162 134 5.59 4.62
Tim Welke 34 191 2/3 120 63 5.63 2.96
Dan Iassogna 44 255 2/3 162 103 5.70 3.63
Fieldin Culbreth 38 214 1/3 137 80 5.75 3.36
Jeff Nelson 38 211 1/3 136 98 5.79 4.17
Paul Emmel 42 237 155 97 5.89 3.68
Tim Timmons 38 219 2/3 145 102 5.94 4.18
Chuck Meriwether 40 218 2/3 147 95 6.05 3.91
Kerwin Danley 38 210 1/3 142 92 6.08 3.94
Ian Lamplugh 40 217 147 106 6.10 4.40
Gary Cederstrom 36 201 1/3 137 88 6.12 3.93
Joe Brinkman 20 107 74 49 6.22 4.12
Jerry Crawford 34 181 130 91 6.46 4.52
Bruce Froemming 42 227 165 117 6.54 4.64
12Madman
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      Sun, Jul 23, 21:55 		Of course, this still doesn't help us a bunch unless we can figure out when someone like Rippley or Eddings is going to be behind the plate.
13allhair allstars
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      Sun, Jul 23, 22:10 		Is there any way to get a history of the ump rotations? A monsterous job, but one option would be to go back and look at the game summaries and figure out who umped each game and where. Perhaps one could extrapolate a useable pattern. Actually, are we even sure that there is a set crew rotation? I know that a crew is assigned a series, but what happens if the crew just pulls straws to see who's behind the plate for games within that series? Hmmm... now that I think about it, I doubt that's the case.

Hey, is Hunter Wendelstedt Harry's kid?
14Madman
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      Sun, Jul 23, 22:24 		allhair allstars I've been browsing around for info. on umpires. I found a link somewhere on the majorleaguebaseball.com's site that had umpire bio's -- you might be able to find that out, there.

I actually have all the data concerning who was behind the plate, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. for every game this season, but no pattern has jumped out. I've been looking at Rippley's crew (Tshida, Meriwether, Gibson), and he (Rippley) hasn't been behind the plate since 6/24! This is going to be hard.

Within one series, there is hope. In the 4-game set between Det and KC, each ump had one game at each position. Different crews seem to follow different rotation patterns, unfortunately. And sometimes, crews don't rotate at all for a day or two (although the home umpire is always different, I think). Aargh.

For a listing of the offical 2000 umpiring crews, check here Official 2000 Umpiring Crews and Chiefs.
15steve houpt
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      Sun, Jul 23, 22:26 		There are 68 umps (listed at MLB). 60 needed on a full day. Not sure how they rotate who is off. Not even sure if it is 17 crews with two crews off at a time or 15 crews with a rotating relief of one person at a time. For instance, the crew that umped the Bosox-White Sox game today, I found 3 of the 4 as a group in a May game.

For a series or when they are together, they rotate left (counter base running each game). Guessing (did not look) that rotation continues as the crew moves on. If they relieve one person at a time in a crew for off time (in addition to days that 15 crews are not needed), I would imagine he takes the place of who he relieving in the rotation. Could find nothing on a published schedule.
16Madman
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      Sun, Jul 23, 22:55 		Missing data items: For perfections' sake, I'm missing umpiring crew data from:

4/6 Fla v. SF
4/3 Fla v. SF
4/3 Mil v. Cin

As a side note, I had incorrectly attributed certain umpires to those games, so the above data will be slightly off for Ripley and a couple other umps.

steve houpt -- the counter base rotation cycle is especially good info. I was getting lost in the trees and didn't see the forrest. That rotation pattern does happen a lot. There are still a number of discrepancies that are hard to discern, but I'm willing to bank on that most of the time.

Do you have any idea how they choose WHERE a given crew is going to work next?

You know, we've made a ton of progress in just a few hours.

a) I think there is evidence to indicate a substantial effect that umpires may have on the pitcher,
b) We know the game to game rotation pattern on the diamond,
c) All that's left is to further peg down the size of the effect in a) and be able to predict the home ump in the first game of a new series!
17Madman
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      Sun, Jul 23, 22:57 		PS -- Ripley just umped at home yesterday, and presided over a typical Coors' field game. I think he's back from vacation.
18Madman
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      Sun, Jul 23, 23:30 		Here is a much more informative chart, sorted by the Umpire's last name. This analysis indicates that the effect of the umpire is on the order of a good pitcher's park effect, or about 1/2 of a Coor's field effect.

I'm pretty excited about this, since these totals seem to jive with some of the anecdotal evidence I've heard on the radio and seen on TV. Very interesting.

In the follwing table, I've listed data not only for the "umpire's stats", but also listed the averages (weighted by number of appearances) for the pitchers, and then compared the two.

Therefore, in large part, the quality of the pitchers that Angel Hernandez is facing is taken into account. He looks like a great pitchers umpire, but he's also had slightly better than league-average starters to umpire for. Therefore, you look at the difference; in his case, he's still a pitcher's umpire.

data to follow. (I'm hoping it will fit on a single post).
19Madman
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      Sun, Jul 23, 23:34 		Data through 7/23:

Name Starts IP ER BB ERA BB/9 SWP/G Pitcher BB/9 BB Diff Pitcher SWP SWPDiff
Al Clark 44 262 1/3 147 104 5.04 3.57 36.60 3.59 -0.02 38.11 -1.51
Alfonzo Marquez 42 255 2/3 131 121 4.61 4.26 39.30 3.66 0.60 40.62 -1.32
Angel Hernandez 42 254 123 75 4.36 2.66 50.40 3.68 -1.02 39.39 11.01
Bill Miller 38 220 2/3 120 69 4.89 2.81 38.60 3.52 -0.71 33.85 4.75
Bill Welke 40 240 142 92 5.33 3.45 33.10 3.61 -0.16 36.73 -3.63
Brian Gorman 44 261 2/3 112 94 3.85 3.23 45.00 3.39 -0.16 36.45 8.55
Brian Onora 42 256 125 82 4.39 2.88 52.10 3.91 -1.03 36.87 15.23
Brian Runge 40 247 122 97 4.45 3.53 45.30 3.96 -0.43 30.59 14.71
Bruce Froemming 42 227 165 117 6.54 4.64 16.10 3.67 0.97 34.99 -18.89
Cb Bucknor 42 240 2/3 137 110 5.12 4.11 30.50 4.18 -0.07 32.13 -1.63
Charles Reliford 44 256 1/3 128 104 4.49 3.65 36.10 3.71 -0.06 33.31 2.79
Charlie Williams 30 180 89 81 4.45 4.05 43.80 3.78 0.27 46.29 -2.49
Chris Guccione 20 129 2/3 68 61 4.72 4.23 45.80 3.67 0.56 36.92 8.88
Chuck Meriwether 40 218 2/3 147 95 6.05 3.91 23.30 3.86 0.05 36.30 -13.00
Dale Scott 38 237 2/3 113 77 4.28 2.92 52.20 3.30 -0.38 40.21 11.99
Dan Iassogna 44 255 2/3 162 103 5.70 3.63 29.40 3.52 0.11 36.17 -6.77
Dan Morrison 40 219 2/3 124 99 5.08 4.06 36.00 3.61 0.45 43.99 -7.99
Dana Demuth 44 257 147 107 5.15 3.75 31.80 3.77 -0.02 35.90 -4.10
Derryl Cousins 44 255 150 121 5.29 4.27 31.10 3.72 0.55 38.62 -7.52
Doug Eddings 44 286 2/3 118 86 3.70 2.70 65.20 3.61 -0.91 42.09 23.11
Ed Montague 40 228 2/3 129 89 5.08 3.50 38.10 3.47 0.03 38.70 -0.60
Ed Rapuano 40 256 2/3 117 65 4.10 2.28 57.40 3.43 -1.15 43.09 14.31
Eric Cooper 40 237 1/3 132 110 5.01 4.17 39.10 3.65 0.52 41.20 -2.10
Fieldin Culbreth 38 214 1/3 137 80 5.75 3.36 32.00 3.61 -0.25 38.67 -6.67
Gary Cederstrom 36 201 1/3 137 88 6.12 3.93 24.90 4.09 -0.16 38.23 -13.33
Gerry Davis 42 246 138 111 5.05 4.06 33.20 3.56 0.50 40.06 -6.86
Greg Bonin 20 125 69 50 4.97 3.60 50.50 3.61 -0.01 35.97 14.53
Greg Gibson 38 236 2/3 115 91 4.37 3.46 42.90 3.74 -0.28 42.54 0.36
Hunter Wendelstedt 42 250 2/3 146 95 5.24 3.41 36.40 3.69 -0.28 33.99 2.41
Ian Lamplugh 42 230 154 113 6.03 4.42 21.80 3.94 0.48 35.20 -13.40
Jeff Nelson 38 211 1/3 136 98 5.79 4.17 25.80 4.15 0.02 32.14 -6.34
Jeffrey Kellogg 40 222 1/3 129 95 5.22 3.85 33.00 3.57 0.28 41.55 -8.55
Jerry Crawford 34 181 130 91 6.46 4.52 20.60 4.58 -0.06 36.70 -16.10
Jerry Layne 38 225 2/3 110 82 4.39 3.27 40.80 3.60 -0.33 32.06 8.74
Jerry Meals 38 227 2/3 124 111 4.90 4.39 37.20 3.84 0.55 40.73 -3.53
Jim Joyce 28 166 87 73 4.72 3.96 34.60 3.87 0.09 34.46 0.14
Jim McKean 36 199 110 94 4.97 4.25 28.90 3.95 0.30 30.71 -1.81
Jim Reynolds 36 198 115 90 5.23 4.09 33.70 4.53 -0.44 27.74 5.96
Joe Brinkman 20 107 74 49 6.22 4.12 14.50 3.62 0.50 32.80 -18.30
John Hirschbeck 24 152 2/3 66 48 3.89 2.83 60.80 3.75 -0.92 32.77 28.03
John Shulock 40 240 126 89 4.73 3.34 41.10 3.78 -0.44 36.00 5.10
Kerwin Danley 38 210 1/3 142 92 6.08 3.94 21.30 4.41 -0.47 26.12 -4.82
Larry Young 40 234 1/3 135 98 5.18 3.76 35.10 3.60 0.16 34.88 0.22
Laz Diaz 42 257 2/3 138 103 4.82 3.60 44.30 3.49 0.11 36.65 7.65
Mark Carlson 42 257 157 99 5.50 3.47 37.30 3.65 -0.18 40.76 -3.46
Mark Hirschbeck 42 255 135 89 4.76 3.14 38.10 3.47 -0.33 42.09 -3.99
Mark Wegner 40 236 2/3 108 86 4.11 3.27 44.40 3.68 -0.41 38.54 5.86
Marty Foster 42 251 2/3 150 104 5.36 3.72 28.50 3.70 0.02 35.85 -7.35
Marvin Hudson 38 218 2/3 109 79 4.49 3.25 46.40 4.04 -0.79 31.57 14.83
Mike Dimuro 34 201 1/3 102 84 4.56 3.75 37.60 3.93 -0.18 38.55 -0.95
Mike Everitt 40 232 135 88 5.24 3.41 35.60 3.45 -0.04 37.82 -2.22
Mike Fichter 32 200 1/3 106 71 4.76 3.19 46.90 3.41 -0.22 43.09 3.81
Mike Reilly 38 228 2/3 132 89 5.20 3.50 34.90 3.84 -0.34 35.82 -0.92
Mike Vanvleet 42 248 2/3 150 134 5.43 4.85 26.00 3.51 1.34 40.41 -14.41
Mike Winters 40 238 132 90 4.99 3.40 34.30 3.59 -0.19 35.00 -0.70
Paul Emmel 44 253 160 100 5.69 3.56 27.40 3.81 -0.25 32.92 -5.52
Paul Schrieber 36 205 1/3 118 83 5.17 3.64 33.60 3.81 -0.17 39.31 -5.71
Phil Cuzzi 44 278 2/3 121 95 3.91 3.07 49.20 3.47 -0.40 37.10 12.10
Randy Marsh 26 142 2/3 77 72 4.86 4.54 33.50 4.15 0.39 39.27 -5.77
Rich Rieker 46 261 162 134 5.59 4.62 28.20 3.75 0.87 33.86 -5.66
Rick Reed 44 249 1/3 139 76 5.02 2.74 34.90 3.49 -0.75 38.35 -3.45
Rocky Roe 20 119 49 57 3.71 4.31 52.00 3.78 0.53 44.58 7.42
Ron Kulpa 42 267 1/3 133 97 4.48 3.27 44.30 3.68 -0.41 37.14 7.16
Scott Higgins 26 154 1/3 89 68 5.19 3.97 37.50 3.90 0.07 35.16 2.34
Steve Rippley 40 241 2/3 126 63 4.69 2.35 40.40 3.50 -1.15 43.19 -2.79
Ted Barrett 40 233 2/3 126 82 4.85 3.16 37.10 3.29 -0.13 38.51 -1.41
Terry Craft 42 266 134 102 4.53 3.45 44.90 3.60 -0.15 36.28 8.62
Tim McClelland 42 243 1/3 134 112 4.96 4.14 30.10 3.93 0.21 31.84 -1.74
Tim Timmons 38 219 2/3 145 102 5.94 4.18 23.40 3.72 0.46 35.32 -11.92
Tim Tschida 44 266 127 93 4.30 3.15 45.30 3.50 -0.35 38.68 6.62
Tim Welke 34 191 2/3 120 63 5.63 2.96 30.40 3.59 -0.63 32.92 -2.52
Tony Randazzo 42 241 2/3 121 85 4.51 3.17 44.00 4.03 -0.86 38.57 5.43
Travis Katzenmeier 46 269 159 94 5.32 3.14 37.20 3.72 -0.58 30.90 6.30
Wally Bell 44 256 149 107 5.24 3.76 37.30 3.87 -0.11 38.05 -0.75
20Madman
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      Sun, Jul 23, 23:39 		And, for the record, Mike Vanvleet has umped BOTH Randy and Pedro!
21Eat Acid
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      Sun, Jul 23, 23:39 		Man, these posts are what make this board my favorite site on the web. The only input I can hope to offer on this one is that the rotation system does carry from series to series, barring vacations. Also I seem to remember a discussion on the radio last year that most of the umps take their three weeks a year somewhat sporadically. Their vacation schedule is probably not public knowledge.

Thanks Madman, I'm going to use this info and will help in its compilation in any way I can. Just point me to the maze.
22steve houpt
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      Sun, Jul 23, 23:41 		madman - no idea on when or where (what city) they will work. Did searches at most baseball sites I can think of (how I ended up with 99 data - but nothing ever mentions a schedule). I wonder if it is even published. Best bet may be from first game of a series and then determine from there.

Only time I could really see it coming in handy in SW is if rotating or changing pitchers and then use it for that day/game. In a roto league where you start and sit different pitchers, it may be more help in a decision.

Definitely some interresting data. Weighting it by starters could be tough.

I see it IS 17 crews. The 4th umpire I found on Mark Herschbeck's crew was filling in for O'Nora. Name was Lamplugh. Not listed anywhere. And Iassogna on that crew is listed as on assignment as a replacement ump. Not listed at MLB. This could be harder than it's worth, but has been interresting. Heck, sometimes it's hard to keep up with the pitchers and they are published.

After reading the negotiations still going on, some of the 'resignees' may get job back. Some current umps may be 'retired', and a few others bought out. Who knows who will be umping.

Interresting story.
Status of 22 Umpires
23GoatLocker
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      Sun, Jul 23, 23:50 		With Pedro and Randy out, I wonder what Mike VanVleets numbers look like.

Talk about a hitters ump.

Cliff
24Madman
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      Mon, Jul 24, 00:18 		If those extra umps comeback, I guess I'll have to use the 99 data you linked above, steve houpt.

I guess you've found my secret motivation -- I'm losing serious ground in Echelon (just lost another start from Washburn, I see), and you rotate pitchers constantly in that game. Yes, this is of marginal value to a SW umpire unless trading for starts. But there are people playing a variety of games out there, and any game where you can bench/start your guys, this could be really helpful.

I wish I would have known Rapuano's reputation before today!
25steve houpt
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      Mon, Jul 24, 00:23 		Glad to help - I'm sure there will be a day when it will come in handy in SW in helping make a close decision.
26mets
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      Mon, Jul 24, 00:29 		damn steve you are the "source"!!! i definitely would vote for you for guru jr. again and Madman another guru jr,starting the thread and found out half the info on his own..amazing,of course these 2 are former guru jrs.
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