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Posted by: jedman
- [420161417] Sun, Apr 08, 18:05

Tiger Woods now holds all 4 golf majors. Has there been a greater accomplishment in the world of sports? For me, as an avid golfer and former pro, it ranks as the all-time best. Just wondering how non-golfers would rank it and what other great accomplishments would rank right up there with it.
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36Razor
      ID: 48238516
      Mon, Apr 09, 01:21
Is driving a car around a race track a sport? That's way more physically demanding than golf.
37slimer
      ID: 2644430
      Mon, Apr 09, 01:26
to me, golf is not a sport...it is a mental game

i've played golf many times (and by no means am i great), but it is not a sport

anybody who plays enough can be decent or excell at the game (especially if you've played since you were 2), but anyone who goes out and plays basketball, football, baseball, or hockey everyday may not ever be any good

my .02
38Razor
      ID: 48238516
      Mon, Apr 09, 01:27
exactly the point I made in post 28.
39The Left Wings
      ID: 2131321
      Mon, Apr 09, 01:45
I think it all comes down to each person's standard of "physical exertion".
To some people it's physical enough, therefore it's a sport to them.
To some people, I do not believe that the physical exertion in golf can be remotely compared to that of the major sports, and therefore they don't consider it a sport.
To me, I have the grey area between real sport and non-sport. I think it does require a level of physical fitness before you can walk 7000 yards. But it's not like you're going to drop dead on the ground from exhaustion.
40Narcolepsy
      ID: 23456415
      Mon, Apr 09, 07:56
To schmegga: I wasnt saying Ripkens accomplishment wasn't great I was just making a point. *we* know that Ripken put up good numbers for a high number of years but maybe 50 years from now 10 people will break the his record while DHing the entire time. Or play 2000 games straight and get like 4000 at bats due to a large number of pinch hits. Then people wont realize what ripken did where people will still realize dimaggios hit streak. That saying a baseball game record doesn't impress me nearly as much as a games record for any of the other major sports. I think Brett Favre has a games played streak going for the last 7 or 8 seasons and I find that just as remarkable as Ripkens.

And as a sidenot I might be able to do any of those things you mentioned purely because it is a one time moment thing. Could i beat Jordan regularly? Never but if i played him twice a day rain or shine I would beat him once.
41*Jessica*
      ID: 574112114
      Mon, Apr 09, 08:05
Former Indian Rick Jacobs (I'm pretty sure) scoring a run when there were no hits and no other baserunners that inning. Now THAT is a helluva accomplishment! :)
42KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 431156218
      Mon, Apr 09, 08:32
It's funny how people think that all it takes to be good at golf is if you play it a lot. I heard a saying one time that went something like, "Practice makes consistent, not perfect." In other words, if you're doing everything wrong, then practicing that isn't doing you any good. Are you guys trying to tell me that every football, baseketball, baseball, and hockey player came out of the womb with their destiny to be a great athlete? Yeah, right.

To excel at any sport requires a ton of practicing the right things, coupled with good coaching, and some natural ability. Are the Williams' sisters lesser tennis athletes because they've been playing since they were knee-high to a grasshopper? What about all the other kids that play tennis since they're 2? Why aren't they winning tournaments like the Williams sisters? The same reason not every golfer makes it on the tour and not every baseball player makes it out of the minors and not every college football player makes it in the draft. Because it takes that extra special talent to be great. Are you guys trying to tell me that any kid who plays golf all their life is going to turn out to be Tiger Woods? Get real! If it's so easy, why aren't we all out on the tour? Even if it is so easy to excel at, which I completely disagree with, the level of compitition just grows to match that.

As far as golf not really being 288 strokes, while it's not physically challenging every stroke, the mental challenge more than makes up for it. Have you ever tried to make a 6-foot putt for $1-million? I've tried to bowl a strike for $500 and missed because of the "pressure" and I can throw a strike with my eyes closed for $5, literally. I don't see any of those doctors mentioned before trying to tap one in for anything more than a beer at the 19th hole.

And LW, if Tiger's accomplishment can be accomplished so easily, then why is he the first ever to do it? That's right. Not even Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, Ben Hogan, etc. have done what Tiger has done. And the fact that golf players do get so many chances at that accomplishment and fail makes it that much more amazing.

And FWIW, I hate golf.

43Madman
      ID: 29246911
      Mon, Apr 09, 09:54
jedman Back to your original point, it is very hard to declare what is the greatest sports accomplishment.

Have you ever read ESPN's SportsCentury? They picked 1 athlete to represent each decade. Unitas, Ruth, Rose (huh?), etc. To qualify for the greatest accomplishment, one idea would be to require that the accomplishment be so great that you will be labeled the greatest Sportsman of the Decade.

This comes very close to being the Greatest Accomplishment that I think we will see this decade. At least, I think that this is the greatest accomplishment that we've seen in the last Decade. Jordan's string of 6 championships is very impressive. But I think winning a major is tougher than winning a championship. All it takes is for one of the world's best golfers to get hot -- and then Tiger should lose. Of course, he didn't. A playoff system eliminates 95% of the competition before the final round. Tiger has to face virtually every single possible contender each day he goes out there.

However, the greatest accomplishment, IMO, was one of the hallmarks of Ruth. Hitting 54 HR's in 1920 broke an incredible barrier. He hit more HR's than many other teams. He totally changed the game. I think unless Tiger changes golf in someway, he will be #2 to Ruth. But it could happen yet.

On another personal wildcard, I don't think fans really appreciate Bannister's 4:00 mile. So many people had been trying for so long . . . And it is very hard to do that sort of thing by yourself -- especially when intelligent people are claiming that it is physiologically impossible. . . I mean, geez. Most people even with today's training methods couldn't hang with Bannister for 300 meters, let alone a full mile, and this was back in 1954. I think our scientific advances have dwindled the impressiveness of the feat.

It's a judgement call.
44KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 431156218
      Mon, Apr 09, 10:34
Madman, good point about Ruth. Didn't he set the record the year before with his 29 HRs? McGwire beat the 61 mark by 9 HRs (14.7% of the previous record), and we thought that was "shattering", but Ruth broke the previous record by 25 HRs! (86% of the previous record). He revolutionized the game.
45Razor
      ID: 48238516
      Mon, Apr 09, 10:44
Narcolepsy - You think you can beat Jordan on his worst day? We all saw Game 5 where he had the flu, and he still torched some of the best players in the world. I don't care how many times you play him, you're not going to beat him. I can't believe such a statement was made. I've played my roommate dozens of times in basketball and I still haven't beaten him. Do you think if you played Pete Sampras enough times you could beat him? When such bold statements are made it only serves to tarnish a legend and inflate an ego.

KKB - mental challenge, while crucial in sports, does not make a sport. Here we are talking about a "sport" with no running, jumping, racing or physical exertion to speak of. I can walk 7200 yards (and I suspect darn near everyone can) so that is out as an argument for golf being a sport. And while you lingered on the point that every sport requires practice and that not everyone will be Tiger Woods no matter how hard they practice, while I addressed these issues in an earlier post by saying that it's easier to become a great golfer than a great basketball player, I still don't find any argument made so far to be very convincing. I just think that the mental aspect argument is a ridiculous one to make when golf is clearly as unphyscially taxing and demanding as a sport/game gets. Mental toughness alone makes a sport? I don't see why a new standard should be incorporated into the definition of sport (that is all mental, no physical) just so that golf fits under it. Just because Tiger Woods can do what I can't doesn't make it a sport.
46Madman
      ID: 29246911
      Mon, Apr 09, 10:57
Razor I think you are underestimating the physical exertion that golf requires.

If the Supreme Court of the United States requires all tournaments to allow golf-carts, then I'd be a bit more sympathetic.

Either way, it requires a good deal of physical co-ordination. The control that the professionals demonstrate is amazing.
47chode at work
      ID: 41046211
      Mon, Apr 09, 11:06
For all the people in here claiming golf is NOT a sport, I'd like to know what is. Football, baseball, soccer, etc..? Okay, so Gary Andersen (Vikes placekicker) is an "athlete," but Tiger Woods isn't? Same goes for John Kruk, David Wells, any 3rd string goalie in hockey and soccer? You'll have to admit, these guys have the same, if not less, "physical exertion" (which seems to be the forum standard) in any given contest than a golfer who plays four rounds of golf in Dallas in July.

You nay-sayers need to get a grip. The fact that they "do something you can't" is only the tip of the iceberg.

Back to the original subject: the greatest sports accomplishment, IMHO, would have to be Gretzky's point record. The guy dominated his sport more than MJ ever dreamed of. The record that will never be broken, however, is Cy Young's 511 wins. Do the math-- it'll NEVER happen.
48Joe U.
      ID: 399482617
      Mon, Apr 09, 11:14
Athlets have to be fit right. Someone before brought up John Daly. How great is he doing now. you gotta be joking me. Name me some fat golfers who are doing awsome right now. I can't think of any. All the top players in the world Woods, Duval, Mickleson, Singh are all in great shape. Why?????? Because they have to be. Ive heard tiger many times say after a round that he goes back out there, right after playing and continues to practice. Why becuase you have practice to be the best at a sport. Another question. How long did Tiger play for yesterday? he teed off at 2:55 and played to around 6:30. Thats about 3 and half hours, longer than your average other sporting events. Another question is "oh you can be old and play golf and be good" It is generally considered that from 26-29 is golfs prime years for a player. Why because that is when experiance and the body is in its best atheletic shape to play becuase one has to be fit. Now look at baseball where when a player gets to about 38 you can just stick em at DH and they can still contribute.

Golf is just like any other sport. You are great during your prime years and when you get older you fade away. Golf is just like any other sport, it has overwieght people trying to play and sometimes they do okay just like in baseball with Cecil Feilder or Oliver Miller in baseketball and come to think it are offensive lineman in great shape??????? Golf is like any other sport. It is demanding walking 18 holes 4 straight days sometimes in 95 degree heat with pants on and a collared shirt, its not that easy. Golf is like any other sport where dynasties can be made like Tiger Woods or Michael Jordans Bulls. Golf is like any other sport.
49slimer
      ID: 9150216
      Mon, Apr 09, 12:18
this argument is pointless....no one is going to win

we all have our own opinions

btw, lineman are probably in the best shape of anyone....in the NFL, most of them run under 5 second 40's....that is pretty damn good for someone who is 300 lbs
50Madman
      ID: 29246911
      Mon, Apr 09, 12:18
Golf is just like any other sport, it has overweight people trying to play and sometimes they do okay. . . hmmm. You ever seen the 10,000 meters in the Olympics? They don't like to show those events in America, but I dare you to pick out an overweight person in competitive distance running :)
51Whitey
      ID: 2543539
      Mon, Apr 09, 12:23
I have to agree with Cornell Allstar in post #5..golf is more of a skill than a sport. Much like I would consider skeet shooting or horseshoes a skill. For those arguing for golf as a sport, do you also consider horseshoes and shuffleboard sports?
52The Left Wings
      ID: 2131321
      Mon, Apr 09, 15:32
Ummm KKB, there are a lot of non-sports things that people first accomplish and is regarded as a great accomplishment...
But c'mon, when everyone on the tour gets 40 cracks at it in his lifetime, it is replicable. But there's gotta be a first.
Also, you can't say that the mental challenge makes up for the physical challenge. A sport, by definition, requires physical exertion. And to me, walking 7000 yards under the blazing sun and take a swing every 5 minutes is more like a hobby than physical exertion. Woods is the best at this hobby, much like David Copperfield, and magic isn't a sport. I wouldn't count walking a treadmill outdoors in July a sport. You see, walking just isn't a sport. And hey, look at Casey Martin, he doesn't even walk up to the ball. And last time I checked, there's a roof on his golf cart so he won't get the sun until he swings.
Moreover, taking a swing for $1M doesn't make it a sport either. You don't think answer the million-dollar question on Who wants to be a millionaire a sport, do you?
53Gary
      ID: 381157822
      Mon, Apr 09, 15:38
Actually he is the first Professional to achieve the feat but he is actually the second person to achieve this feat, can anyone tell me who the other person is?
54saber34
      ID: 22339917
      Mon, Apr 09, 17:45
Cornell AllStar
Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical.

since so much of it is physical, does that mean baseball players aren't athletes?

And what about RAce Car Drivers. Are they athletes?
55Strike One
      ID: 39252299
      Mon, Apr 09, 18:04
Tiger, regardless of whether or not you want to consider him an athlete or not, as accomplished somethign truley astonishing, and i feel blessed to have been able to watch him win all four majors. i'm not really a golf fan although i do follow it somewhat, but the only tournaments i watch are the majors. Tiger has won 6 majors and he's only 26 years old. and considering that the average golf carreer can last past your 50th birthday (the age at which you join the senior tour), tiger has to be considered one of the greatest...already.

back to the topic, while it is impossible to agree on one accomplishment, i'll add some that i think are impressive regarless of who does them.


-shooting a sub 60 round of golf on a par 72
-running a sub 4:00 minute mile (this is a personnal goal of mine, i've managed to cut my time down to 4:35 this year)
-pitching a perfect game
-scoring a triple double (assists/points/rebounds)
-bowling a 300 (12 straight strikes)
-maintaning a sub 2.00 GAA in hockey.
there are many many more, that we witness everyday that don't get noticed. any person that competes against somebody else is an athlete, and to be a professional athlete, is something impressive all by itself.
56Ditka85
      ID: 28348917
      Mon, Apr 09, 18:06
Strike One, does that say maintaining a 2.00 GPA? I'm with you on that one.
57KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 51521713
      Mon, Apr 09, 18:49
Actually, Strike One, with the advent of new bowling balls and the use of "live" pins, I would say that the greater accomplishment in bowling now is bowling a 900 (3 game series; Every game a 300; 36 strikes).
58Strike One
      ID: 39252299
      Mon, Apr 09, 18:57
KKB, could you explain the "live" pin idea, i've never heard of it.
59biliruben
      ID: 3502218
      Mon, Apr 09, 18:59
Obviously Guru and SW have missed the boat on the bowling forum. LOL.
60The Left Wings
      ID: 55105317
      Mon, Apr 09, 20:39
Baseball is a sport. I don't see where you get 90% as a percentage for mental exertion. Very much of baseball is physical. The pitching, the base-running, the diving-catches, these are all high physical exertions (although not as high as fast sports like hockey or basketball or football). And you do see pitchers sweating from exhaustion, and runners running out of breath after getting a triple.
And driving, similar to walking, is probably not a real sport. Another example of pseudo-sport, I'd say.
61YANKS4PEAT
      ID: 222132113
      Mon, Apr 09, 20:45
wilt's 100 pt game by far...... not far behind is gretzky having more assists than ANYONE has POINTS...breathtaking
62Philly Busters
      ID: 57231135
      Mon, Apr 09, 20:56
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63Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 300382817
      Mon, Apr 09, 21:20
Hey Left Wings, you keep saying that the physical exertion in golf is "just walking 7200 yards" and only "288 swings". What about baseball? A DH only has to swing his bat maybe 15-20 times a day, tops. Add to that a few 90 yard runs if he gets a hit, and he's done. Why is HE an athlete?

I don't understand how golf cant be considered a sport. Every sports website or newspaper has a section in the sports area for GOLF. Why is that? There's no section for shuffleboard, chess, or any of these other "mental" games that people claim golf is like. Just baseball, hockey, football, soccer, basketball and.... golf. hmmm...

Btw, I've played baseball, hockey AND golf in leagues, and the one sport that left me the most tired at the end of the day was golf. After a hockey game I could go run a marathon. After baseball I could go run TWO marathons. But after a round of golf, I felt like taking a shower and just doing NOTHING but relaxing the rest of the day. (Probably why wives hate the sport so much ;) So if "physical activities" are your requirement for inclusion into the group of "sports", then golf qualifies for sure.

A baseball player will spend time with an instructor perfecting his swing. So will a golf player. A baseball player will go to a batting cage to practice his swing. A golf player will go to the driving range to do the same. And when it comes time for the big dance, both will go out there and get one chance to hit it properly each time. Both require skill, mental clarity and ENDURANCE. So why is one a sport and one not?

Just my .02$
64KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 51521713
      Mon, Apr 09, 21:24
Strike One, much like the idea of the "Live Ball Era" in baseball, bowling has experienced a bit of a "Live Pin Era". Here's the breakdown of why pins are more "lively" than they used to be and the impact on the game. Be prepared! This is LONG!

1.) New machines mean less damage to pins. I've worked on the old machines and let me tell you that they put the pins through Hell for each rotation they go through from being hit to being set. You usually have 20-22 pins in a set (10 on the lane, 10 in the rack for quicker setting, and an optional 2 to reload the rack faster) With the old machines, the mechanism that got the pin from the bottom of the machine to the top was a lot more brutal to the pin than they are today. It was nothing to lose a 10-20 pins a night in a 30 lane house (that means you lose an entire bowling alley worth of pins in a month!).

2.) The older wood that was used in pins was more suspect to becoming shattered, rendering the pin "dead" or giving you "dead wood". You can bang a "dead wood" pin on a solid concrete floor and hear a thud, when a "live pin" will bounce back and hit you in the face if you're not careful (and are kneeling too close to the floor).

3. Better and newer wood for "kickbacks". The "kickbacks" are 2 pieces of wood on either side of the pins that are setup to promote "pin action", or the movement of pins around the pit area once the ball has made contact. With poor "kickbacks", a pin will hit the side and just fall down into the gutter. With good "kickbacks", a pin will hit the side and go flying all the way across to the other side, sometimes taking out pins that the ball missed. If you're really lucky, you'll get a pin to bounce twice; once off each "kickback".

4. Better outer coating of the pin. As technology becomes better, the pin makers make the outer coating of their pins better. Pins used to be painted wood. They are now plastic coated, which will withstand abuse a lot more for a lot longer.

5. Better "pit curtains". You ever see the area behind the pins? Probably not because it's just black. Well that black part is actually a curtain of sorts between the lane and the back of the machine that sets the pins. This curtain can easily get worn down, but as with the pins, better materials are being used and the curtains are getting better constructed and they are starting to act more like a third "kickback" than just a barrier.

So what does this all add up to? Well, you have to understand the unbelievable amount of science that is now going into making bowling balls before you know the impact of "live" pins. The history of the balls is almost as exciting as the game. Basically, the "old school" balls are the Rubber and Plastic variety. Let me tell you from first-hand experience that you want nothing to do with a Rubber ball. Ech! Anyhow, bowling companies started (around the 80's or so) trying to find a way to make a ball hook more violently across the lane. Why? Well, the optimum angle of entry into the "pocket" (between the 1 and 3 pins for a right-hander; 1 and 2 for a lefthander) is not obtainable from a straight shot. Even if you, as a right-hander, were to stand on the far right of your lane and roll the ball from the far right corner into the pocket, you wouldn't get the optimum angle. You would literally have to stand on the lane next to you and toss the ball about 1/2 way down your lane, have the ball land on the far right side, and you might get the optimum angle with a straight shot. So I think you get the idea that you can't do it with a straight shot. Well, welcome the advent of the hooking shot. The "hooking shot", or "hook" as I'll call it from now on, requires putting spin on a ball that tries to move the ball in a direction towards the center of the lane (thus, the pocket) even though the ball is traveling "down" the lane. The reason the ball is able to travel "down" the lane while the ball is spinning a different direction is because of lane oil. Think of lane oil like ice on the lane. But the catch is that the oil ends about 2/3 of the way "down" the lane. So you can imagine what happens; the ball hooks like crazy when it gets beyond that 2/3 mark. But there's a catch! A ball "picks up" oil as it's spinning down the lane just like you would pick up water if you slid on ice. Well, that means it doesn't exactly hook once it hits the 2/3 mark. It starts to hook and as the dry wood (the back 1/3) picks up the oil from the ball, the ball hooks more, hopefully right into the pocket. So what? Well, Rubber and Plastic balls were notorious for not loosing their oil on that back 1/3 so ball manufacturers started looking to different materials. Introducing: Urethane! Urethane marked the start of the increase in bowling scores because the ball could hook across the oil and would lose oil pretty well on the back 1/3. Add in the fact that a Urethane ball could be thrown sanded (rough, more friction, more hook) or polished (smooth, less friction, less hook) and suddenly there was a ball that could be used on any lane oil condition (which changes from lane to lane, subtly, and establishment to establishment, dramatically). But that wasn't enough for the enthusiasts, nor the ball manufacturers. A war started over who could get their ball to hook the most. Introducing: "Reactive Resin". Developed by BASF ("We don't make a lot of the things you buy. We make a lot of the things you buy better."), Reactive Resin has revolutionized the game. This is a material that literally "eats" lane oil. You could drown a ball in oil and about a minute later it would all be gone. And I mean gone! So think of this in terms of the game. Here's a ball that will not only hook on oil, it would also loose oil just about as fast as it would gain it. Come time to hit the back 1/3, there was barely a trace of oil on these balls. So of course they hooked right off the lane. So the guys who were ripping the ball (Picture a ball traveling in a straight line, faster than anything you've seen from a drunken Frat guy, that all of a sudden turns on a dime and smashes into the pins) had to use Reactive Resin highly, highly, highly polished. Sounds stupid, right? Wrong. Even though they polished the balls to travl the first 2/3 of the lane just like a Rubber, Plastic, or Urethane ball, it's what happened on that last 2/3 that made the Reactive Resin ball so revolutionary. While those other balls went down and hooked (in various degrees), the Reactive Resin ball had barely a trace of oil preventing it from hooking on the back 1/3 and it would take off like a demon possessed. Suddenly, guys who could barely get a spin on the ball were watching their ball hook into the gutter on the opposite side! So now the ball hooks more. So what, again? Well, the harder a ball hooks, the more speed, and power, it's generating in the direction of the pocket. I knew people who would make the ball go faster in the direction of the pocket, than the ball went down the lane. I was one of them. The other balls (in decreasing amounts from Urethane to Rubber to Plastic) would get a little more speed in the direction of the pocket, but nothing close to Reactive Resin. This coupled with the new weight block designs (the weight block is the inner core of the ball that actually makes up most of the weight) that became more elongated instead of spherical and now qualify as just plain unusual (Think barbell with attachments), but they work and science is making them better all the time.

So anyhow, back to "live pins". Think of a 100 year old guy rolling a ball between his legs at 10 lead weights standing up that are surrounded by 3 pillows on the sides and back. That's the way things used to be. Now, however, you have a ball hooking faster into the pocket, generating more power into the pins, which then translates to the pins bouncing off the "kickbacks" and the "pin curtain", which then bounce into more pins, which then, because of their better coating and better wood, bounce more and more and more and it becomes a huge chain reaction that usually doesn't end until all 10 pins are knocked down. Consider that most strikes aren't considered "good" anymore unless all 10 pins are "in the pit" In other words: no pins on the lane, in the gutter, or visible at all. They all went to the back and out of view. And let's not forget that the pins are now lasting longer which means less likelihood that you're bowling a series (3 games) and you've suddenly got a lane with a dead pin (something you can't tell unless you just know) or two or three.

So in summation: Before, a strike was more like a firecracker with a wet fuse: You could get it to go off, but it took a lot of work and didn't produce much bang. Now, a strike is like a nuke with a mecury switch: It doesn't take much to set it off and when it blows up, boy does it blow up!

So there's Bowling 101, 102, 103, and 114. ;) Any questions?

65saber34
      ID: 54311511
      Mon, Apr 09, 21:26
Lefy I'm ashamed.

Baseball is 90% Mental the other HALF is physical.

Its a Yogi-ism. A joke, you see. 90% plus a half equals 140% which, doesn't add up.....

I guess I'm the only one who ever gets my jokes.
66gibby88
      ID: 50451220
      Mon, Apr 09, 21:33
One of the greatest moments: 1980 US Hockey Team

...and (suprise) Gibby's 1988 HR off of Eckersley in the bottom of the 9th, full count, 2 outs.....:)
67Sox Man
      ID: 262302821
      Mon, Apr 09, 21:36
hey if it is on SPORTScenter then by golly its a sport
68golfergus
      ID: 2824022
      Tue, Apr 10, 11:36
Gary Post #53
Bobby Jones is the other person to accomplish the slam. However, there are two caveats to his accomplishment. First, it took place in one calendar year. However, the tournaments he won were the US and British Opens and the US and British AMATEURS. His accomplishment was great but not the same as what Tiger has done.

As far as what people have said about golf being a sport or not. One post talked about the exertion and how they wanted the golfer to be panting coming up 18 (or something like that). I believe it was the 1964 US Open when Ken Venturi nearly died from heat exhaustion in winning the Open. (They played 36 holes at that time). The level of physical exertion is higher than one might imagine. Having played competitive golf for many years I can attest to the exhaustion one may feel. A round with your buddies and a tournament round are 2 different animals entirely.

My opinion on the greatest accomplishment is probably Gretzky. However, chode makes a good point with Cy Young's record 511. It will be rare for a 300 game winner to emerge in this era of 5 starters much less a 500 game winner.

Sorry for rambling.
69Lutefisker
      ID: 522131515
      Tue, Apr 10, 12:19
Wilt Chamberlains 50 points per game

Gretzky's points per game average in hockey

Babe Ruth as a 20 game winner and a 50+ homerun hitter in baseball

Brett Favres continuous games as a QB (as a Packer fan there can be no other choice)

and Tiger Woods dominance of the Golf game at such an early comparative age...

dey be da tops fer me!


And oh yes... a game can be a sport even when there is no one playing who drags their knuckles on the ground when they walk.
70Lutefisker
      ID: 522131515
      Tue, Apr 10, 12:36
I remember using live pins for bowling when I was in a college fraternity...

but the college made us stop it because they said that we shouldn't be "hazing" our "pledges" like that. ;)
71Ditka85
      ID: 352172517
      Tue, Apr 10, 13:22
In response to post 67, SPORTScenter also televises paint ball, and spelling bees. Those are not sports, nor is golf. I retire from this thread.
72spachalagu
      ID: 51912417
      Tue, Apr 10, 14:19
No question...

Jim Abbott's MLB career. Say what you want about Gretsky, Woods, Ruth, etc., nobody has ever come close to doing as much in a major sport with that massive a handicap. If he had been a National League pitcher during the prime of his career, nobody would question this because Abbott was a good HITTING pitcher, ONE-HANDED!
73Sox Man
      ID: 262302821
      Tue, Apr 10, 17:02
hey whats wrong with spelling you dont consider that a sport? neither do i good point ditka
74esposo
      ID: 530432519
      Tue, Apr 10, 21:37
a couple notes-

best sports accomplishment???

Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier!!!! It opened doors for lots of opportunities in this country in many areas.



Now being a track & field coach, I like Billy Mills and his effort in 1964 at Tokyo, he dropped over 75 seconds off his best time and won the gold. He is one of the greatest men I know.

Billy Mills and myself in 1997

I like Jim Ryun running 3:59 in the mile, as a junior in high school [or his 3:55 as a senior]

madman hit Roger Bannister breaking the 4:00 barrier, Landry was actually a better runner but the 4:00 mark was a wall to him [Landry ran 3:58 after Bannister broke 4:00]

as for golf, I consider myself athletic, high school basketball, track, and x-c; american legion baseball, adult softball, downhill skiing, bowling and of course golf

I have golfed since I was 6-years, it is so demanding that grown adults will throw their entire bag in frustration [I don't think Bobby Fisher throws the board across the room]. It is definately a sport. Having said, it is also an activity for most who play it.

P.S. BETTER PIN SETTERS HAVE MADE BOWLING BETTER, MY DAD ISN'T BACK THERE ANY MORE PAUING OFF HIS TUITION TO GO CATHOLIC SCHOOL
75Cashmere
      ID: 552343017
      Tue, Apr 10, 22:24
spachalagu... you rule! Being a quad myself, I know the meaning of overcoming a handicap. You've convinced me on Abbott.
76natedog
      ID: 33311011
      Tue, Apr 10, 23:15
LuteFisher

Actually, Lemieux finished his career (originally) with a higher pt/game average than Gretz (I think it was actually over 2). However well he is doing this season and the following seasons, he will likely lose that crown eventually...

natedog
77natedog
      ID: 33311011
      Tue, Apr 10, 23:16
fisker...Lutefisker...sorry

natedog
78Lutefisker
      ID: 522131515
      Tue, Apr 10, 23:21
Well... "fisk" is how you spell "fish" in the Scandanavian countries ;)
79Lutefisker
      ID: 522131515
      Tue, Apr 10, 23:23
Natedog.. also.. thanks for the information. I learned something today. :)
80Razor
      ID: 13213180
      Wed, May 30, 16:31
Thar she blows.
81blue hen
      Leader
      ID: 34937217
      Thu, May 31, 00:39
I defeated a guy named Dan Crawford in the 142 pound weight class when I was a senior in high school. He had this move called the "Beetle", where he locked in his arms and clamped his elbows together like a beetle. I trained for weeks to avoid that very move, which I did successful and earned a hard fought victory in the match.

That is the greatest sports accomplishment.
82Tincup01
      Donor
      ID: 0445523
      Thu, May 31, 01:01
Here's my list of the my top 10

10. Wilt's 100 pt game

9. Vander Meer's back to back no hitters

8. Hulk slams Andre at Wrestlemania 3

7. Miami Dolphins go undefeated

6. Chicago Bears 72-0 in the NFL Championship

5. Cy Young's 511 wins

4. Gretzky's scoring record

3. Nolan Ryan's 5,000+ career strikeouts

2. Ted Williams' .400

1. Byron Nelson wins 11 tournaments in a row in 1945.

I think each of these accomplishments will never be duplicated, and therefore, merit listing on my top ten. When you think about it, regardless of what you say about golf, to be able to win 11 tournaments in a row means that you have to be at the top of your game for 11 STRAIGHT WEEKS! Lord Byron won 19 times in 1945 - that's akin to winning every weekend from the beginning of May to the end of September.
83Razor
      ID: 13213180
      Thu, May 31, 03:08
LOL bluehen.
84esposo
      ID: 45112149
      Thu, May 31, 08:04

 

Alan Webb of South Lakes High in Virginia running 3:53 in the mile as a high school senior last weekend, breaking Jim Ryun's 38-year old high school record could be one of the biggest accomplishments in running in a long time.

58,59,61,55 = 3:53.43

A good article on the race:

http://dyestat.com/us/1out/prefontaine/index.htm

85CrispinGlover
      ID: 54423317
      Thu, May 31, 08:14
Hulk slams Andre at Wrestlemania 3?

Give me a break tincup, how can you say that's one of the most impressive accomplishments in sports when you know they probably practiced it 200 times before hand. You could arguably say "most memorable" or "most entertaining." But don't lump that in with the rest of your choices, which, by the way, are all solid.
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