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Subject: CLEMENS back to the YANKS Posted by: JEsse - Donor [591162423] Sun, May 06, 2007, 15:10 just announced it at the stadium! | |||||||
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| 477 | tastethewaste ID: 33929420 Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 17:04 | well arod is 2nd on the team in OBP. | ||||||
| 478 | Perm Dude ID: 47913713 Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 15:18 |
George: Torre's job is on the line tonight I would hate to see Torre go, but, on the other hand, a chance to chase Clemens into retirement with a big win at Yankee stadium is far too tasty to not cheer for. And a nice ending to this thread. | ||||||
| 479 | Razor ID: 2097711 Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 16:59 |
Charlie Manuel is a terrible manager. He is the most incompetent manager in the game. As far as "pulling a team together," I watched a press conference of his towards the end of the season and he was speaking like an ol' veteran that seemingly had no idea what was going on. Paraphrasing: "I've been around this game a long time, and sometimes when you keep plugging along, good things will happen." As for A-Rod, I hope he tanks tonight, gets run out of town and signs an under-market value deal in LA just to get out of the East Coast spotlight. | ||||||
| 480 | JeffG Leader ID: 01584348 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 08:57 |
Could this have been Clemens last appearance? I cannot imagine him un-retiring in 2008 because the $$$ will not be there. Even if the Yankees were to move on, if his hammy is still bothering him, he may not be put on the next round's roster. But they have to get there first, can't look past another do-or-die game in G4. Looks like Torre only has confidence in about 5 pitchers (3 starters and 2 relievers) right now. They'll need a solid inning out of Farnsworth one of these games, and Moose may yet have to work in a big start. ARod getting 2 hits (one an IF single) hopefully will quiet everyone for a few games so he can just be left to play. Damon when healthy is a solid contributer. Cano and Hughes came up big last night. Hughes came up real huge. | ||||||
| 481 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 15023167 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 10:32 |
Even if the Yankees were to move on, if his hammy is still bothering him, he may not be put on the next round's roster. On the XM radio broadcast (not sure which team's broadcast, though it sounded like the Yankees), someone mentioned that the original injury had kept him out for a month, so if this is an aggravation/continuation of that, it's not likely he'll be a factor in the playoffs with that kind of timetable. | ||||||
| 482 | walk ID: 2530286 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 11:38 |
Yeah JeffG, we won thanks to basically four players: Hughes, Cano, Melky and Damon. IF hitters 2-6 can finally hit like they usually do (Jeter, Abreu, A-Rod, Matsui and Jorge), they should win, and win tonight easily. Byrd is a hitters' pitcher, and he usually does not do well against the better teams. The yankees are 4-1 against him career-wise, with a 4.5 ERA. I don't expect Wang to throw a gem, but I do expect my team to score many runs. We need to sorta maul them like they did to us in game 1 so we can rest Hughes, Moose, etc. for game 5 back-up to Pettitte. Cleveland will have both CC and Fausto for game 5, if it goes that far. We have the pitcher on the mound we want against us tonight; we have to take advantage. If we don't clobber Byrd, we don't deserve to advance. Clemens, IMO, is done. We don't have the pitching to truly be the best team out there, but you never know. I am comfy if they advance for Moose to take Clemens' spot, Hughes to be the fourth pitcher and some make-shift gobblydeegook bullpen combo to get us through the 5-7 innings in the event of a high-scoring game in the early innings. It's not perfect, but it's manageable. Fir thing's first is tonight. They really have to come out hitting against Byrd. We have some momentum, the pitching advantage and the home field advantage. Gotta win this winnable game. | ||||||
| 483 | Rendle ID: 457402414 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 11:50 |
Tonight will be a good one. Byrd allows runs but is usually pretty good at managing the game and not letting things get out of hand. He's had very good run support this year which has contributed to his high number of wins. Byrd only needs to go 5 solid innings to get to Lewis/Perez/Betancourt and getting the game out of JoBo range would definitely be a good thing. Has Wang pitched on 3 days rest at all this year? I expect the Indians to hit him hard tonight so the scores could get up there. Clemens leaving early with only giving up 3 runs was the best thing that could happen for the Yanks yesterday. Hughes was huge. | ||||||
| 484 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 11:53 |
A little watercooler talk... couple of Yankee fans discussing who they plan to pitch in Game 1 against Boston on Friday. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!! lol... | ||||||
| 485 | JeffG Leader ID: 01584348 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 11:58 |
I agree that tonight is a very winnable game and looking at Paul Byrd's 2007 game log aside from a couple of 4-hit shutouts, is a very hittable pitcher, and if the players afformentioned by walk in [482] can get jump started, it could help greatly if they can get to a Wednesday game five. The Yankees must score in bunches early. If the veteran Byrd can keep it close before handing it over to the Tribe's pen, then they are the ones with the rested and trusted arms tonight. I know tonight is not a do-or-die game for Cleveland but until I really looked, I was initially surprised that Sabathia on short rest is not even a consideration. But then I guess CC threw too many pitches in G1 on Thursday and Wedge understood what Piniella did not about getting through the game at hand and not looking ahead later in the series. | ||||||
| 486 | JeffG Leader ID: 01584348 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 12:09 |
A little watercooler talk... couple of Yankee fans discussing who they plan to pitch in Game 1 against Boston on Friday. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!! lol... Great One - We already were looking past Boston. We were discussing WORLD SERIES game 1. ;) | ||||||
| 487 | Perm Dude ID: 47913713 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 12:15 | 2008. | ||||||
| 488 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 15023167 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 13:10 |
Byrd will be the key, in my opinion, and it'll be interesting to see what happens. He's only pitched four games against playoff contenders this year. First Two Games (@LAA 05/09, @BOS 05/30) 1-0, 13.0 IP, 2.08 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 0 BB, 4 K Last Two Games (NYY 08/11, @LAA 09/06) 0-2, 6.2 IP, 16.19 ERA, 2.55 WHIP, 2 BB, 6 K In both groups, he was clearly hittable. Those last two games would be of concern to me if I were an Indians fan. In fact, this would be of concern to me as well: Byrd (September) 2-3, 38.0 IP, 5.21 ERA, 1.45 WHIP, 7 BB, 14 K Wang on three days rest may help counteract this though. At a glance, I couldn't even find an instance of him going on 4 days rest this year. And it's not like his 4.2 IP mean he's fresh. Those 4.2 IP cost 94 pitches. Home Run Derby, anybody? | ||||||
| 489 | Perm Dude ID: 47913713 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 13:14 | Byrd's always been hittable. The question is whether he'll be scorable. | ||||||
| 490 | tastethewaste ID: 239161113 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 15:28 | If youre hittable, then youre scorable. | ||||||
| 491 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 15023167 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 15:49 |
If youre hittable, then youre scorable. I think most women would disagree with that assessment. ;) Then again, so would most men after an unsuccessful night out. | ||||||
| 492 | Perm Dude ID: 47913713 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 16:05 | Let's not confuse scorable with winable... | ||||||
| 493 | biliruben ID: 17502215 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 16:13 | Or missable with kissable. | ||||||
| 494 | walk ID: 2530286 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 16:44 | Well, to me, Byrd is the type of pitcher the NYY usually do well against. However, they can lose this game 8-6 or win this game 13-3. They have not demonstrated that they can hit as a team in this series, and Wang has never pitched on 3 days rest, let alone the fact that the Tribe buried him on his normal rest. I can only hope that Wang pitches to form at home, where he usually excels, and the yankee hitters hit like they usually hit. If they don't win this game, I have a fan's attitude that they suck. | ||||||
| 495 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 3498611 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 19:27 |
Kruk, on SportsCenter, seemed to like Wang's chances tonight. He pointed out that Wang is a sinkerballer and that the 7 days rest before Game 1 left him too strong such that his sinkerball wasn't sinking. He said 3 days rest is much more appropriate for a sinkerballer, where power is a bad thing, as compared to power pitchers like Sabathia. If this is the case, then starting Wang tonight would seem like a very good idea. | ||||||
| 496 | Great One ID: 201155199 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 19:30 |
Win or lose, I think its important tonight that Cleveland is in the game and makes Rivera and Joba work so they aren't 100% rested for Wednesday. A blowout loss would be bad news for the Tribe. | ||||||
| 497 | Rendle ID: 23756422 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 19:35 | Are the Joba rules in effect tonight? I thought he wouldn't pitch and if Wang couldn't get the ball to Rivera, Mussina would probably be the 2nd pitcher to come in. | ||||||
| 498 | Perm Dude ID: 36957814 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 19:45 | Sizemore with a nice start. | ||||||
| 499 | Farn Leader ID: 451044109 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 20:02 |
nobody comments on Clemens being removed from the postseason roster with his first chance to return being the World Series? I figured for sure I could count on some bashing when I got home to this thread. | ||||||
| 500 | Great One ID: 201155199 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 20:07 |
500 posts! re:Clemens We've come a long way since "oh my goodness gracious!!!!" Haven't we? | ||||||
| 501 | walk ID: 2530286 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 20:55 | Eeeesh, what bad karma. Wang awful; NYY clutch hitting, awful. Tribe clutch hitting, superb. | ||||||
| 502 | JeffG Leader ID: 01584348 Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 01:15 |
I always feel so burnt out when the season finally ends. It ended too soon again. Props to the Indians, I thought they would be very beatable. I'll avoid getting into the knee-jerk nit-picking. Hot stove will start soon enough. In retrospect, 2007 was a very exciting Yankee season and even when they got off to a bad start, most fans did not lower their expectations. Losing in the LDS is just a major disappointment. Whatever they do in the very busy off season, I'm sure I'll have the wide-eyed expectations when opening day 2008 rolls around. For now, short term I'll just turn away from talk radio and news columnist commentaries. Yikes, I really have to deal with another potential Red Sox World Championship. Could they run the table this post season? If your team is still in the running, enjoy the run, just please spare me. | ||||||
| 503 | walk ID: 2530286 Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 06:03 | Well, the indians sure played better. Really clutch hitting. NYY starting pitching, except for Pettitte, was bad. Cleveland's bullpen is full of better-than-Jobas, pitchers with ERA's under or around 2. They are very balanced. Wang was a very big reason for the 4-game series loss. A-Rod 0-5 with 4 Ks with runners on base; Jeter and Posada hitting under .200. Not sure if this is Torre's fault, but the big core of this team did not hit or pitch well, at all. They were very inferior. Cleveland was very good. Embarrassed at the inability of our bats to not have scored many runs early on against Byrd. As someone said above, hits does not equal runs. | ||||||
| 505 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤ ID: 389261012 Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 17:42 |
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| 506 | Tree ID: 459161119 Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 21:30 |
i hate the Yankees because i find their fans so freakin' annoying. but Red Sox fans? they make Yankee fans look like the well-behaved. a team wins one World Series in the history of creation, and suddenly, they act like kings of the world. honestly, with Red Sox fans really riding the dickhead train hard, it's only a matter of time where people hate the Red Sox like they do the Yankees. i know i do. | ||||||
| 507 | Khahan ID: 486552412 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 08:19 |
a team wins one World Series in the history of creation Actually it was their 6th world series win, not counting 1904 when the Pirates refused to play them. But yes, it was a rather long time between win #5 and win #6. | ||||||
| 508 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 09:25 |
a team wins one World Series in the history of creation, and suddenly, they act like kings of the world. Yeah... thats a common misconception - usually by Yankee fans. The reality is that only 3 teams have more World Series victorires than the Red Sox 6 titles. The Yankees, Cardinals and Oakland A's. Intersting little bit of triva there, no? And its not the Boston fans that jumped over Waldman - 7 AM the next morning, the most important NYC station - WFAN's Craig Carton was making fun of her and playing the clip over and over. | ||||||
| 509 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 09:33 |
And its not the Boston fans that jumped over Waldman I imagine you mean to say that its not just the Boston fans... | ||||||
| 510 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 09:40 | Yeah, obviously since he got that graphic from BostonDirtDogs.com | ||||||
| 511 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 09:43 | Mam'zelle LeMoose is a she. | ||||||
| 512 | blue hen ID: 16322314 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 09:55 |
Tree 506 I'd probably put Mets fans ahead of either of those teams' fans, yourself excluded. Talk about winning one world championship and basing a lifetime on it. Alright, it's actually two. But amidst the talk of 1969 and 1986, Met fans seemingly fail to remember choke jobs of 1973, 1988, 1999, 2000, and 2006. | ||||||
| 513 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 10:07 |
I have no ill will towards the Mets, but this one is too easy... :) The American Medical Association has issued an advisory. The Universal choking sign has been revised in recent weeks. The new one is shown below. OLD SIGN  NEW SIGN  | ||||||
| 514 | Tree ID: 3533298 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 10:13 |
no question, the Mets have the greatest regular season collapse in MLB history, at least IMHO. but the greatest post-season collapse belongs to those guys from Da Bronx. Yeah... thats a common misconception - usually by Yankee fans. The reality is that only 3 teams have more World Series victorires than the Red Sox 6 titles. The Yankees, Cardinals and Oakland A's. well, that's all well and good. but let's begin with 1919, and then see how many teams have won more World Series than the Red Sox in the last 87 or so years... i mean, in the lifetime of most fans, the Red Sox have ONE World Series title... | ||||||
| 516 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 10:33 |
Well the only Mets fan in my family is my cousin and he was born in 1989. So to him its Red Sox 1, Mets 0. The point its, you can pick any arbitrary dates you want, the reality is in the record book, thats how many they have. The Yankees won a chunk of those 26 titles almost 100 years ago, so you never hear them complain about counting back that far (except when they omit the Red Sox champtionships as I illustrated before ala 2005 at Yankee Stadium where there were moronic 26-1 signs in the NY crowd). Now if your argument was that the Mets have only been around 40 years, that would have made more sense. | ||||||
| 517 | blue hen ID: 16322314 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 10:50 |
I think KTxGod was born in 2001. So he's only allowed to cheer for the DBacks, Angels, Marlins, Red Sox, White Sox, or Cardinals. Besides, the true measure of fans isn't how much you've won; it's how you treat your team. As noted, Arizona is terrible. The Marlins too, and they've won twice. How about Cubs fans, selling out even when their team sucks? Or the Giants? Or the Indians fans when they stunk? | ||||||
| 518 | Khahan ID: 486552412 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 11:08 |
well, that's all well and good. but let's begin with 1919, and then see how many teams have won more World Series than the Red Sox in the last 87 or so years... Thats an awfully convenient place to start. I'd call it random, but its obviously not. If you want to talk WS wins then you go back to the beginning. No offense Tree, but why not go back to 2000 and count from there. Surely the past 7 years are much more relevant to current gameplay than the past 86 years. Or why not go back to whatever year the last expansion clubs were added (what was that, like 1994?). Those are much less random than just saying, "Lets use 1919 so that we can conveniently ignore 5 WS wins to help prove my point." Doesn't work that way. You brought up the number of world series wins. It was only after it was pointed out that Boston has a better track record over the course of MLB history that you suddenly wanted to add qualifying statements. | ||||||
| 519 | Tree ID: 3533298 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 11:47 |
No offense Tree, but why not go back to 2000 and count from there. Surely the past 7 years are much more relevant to current gameplay than the past 86 years. Or why not go back to whatever year the last expansion clubs were added (what was that, like 1994?). going back to 85 years isn't exactly new. part of what made the Red Sox win a couple years back so important, so hysterical, and such a great story was the simple fact that they HADN'T won in so long. it was a great story that they finally won. but that story doesn't exist if you don't go back and look at their history of failure in modern times. | ||||||
| 520 | Razor ID: 136523110 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 12:07 |
How about Cubs fans, selling out even when their team sucks? Or the Giants? Or the Indians fans when they stunk? The Cubs sell out because people like drinking during the day, not because the Cubs fans are great fans. The Giants sellout because people in SF are brainless and don't mind rooting for or defending a cheater. The Indians don't sellout any more. | ||||||
| 521 | Khahan ID: 486552412 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 12:24 |
I understand that, Tree, and agree that the 86 year wait between wins was a major factor in how the 2004 WS win was perceived. But thats irrelevant. Your point quoted above was that Boston had 1 WS win, period. End of story. No qualifactions about a specific time frame. Just 1 win in their history. Their history goes back to and includes 1903-1918. And its simply not true that they had just 1 WS win in their history. | ||||||
| 522 | Tree ID: 3533298 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 12:35 |
i was kind of thinking that by using the phrase "in the history of creation", people would know that my comment was obviously a bit of exaggeration. still, the reality is, 6 wins or not, most people remember one World Series win for the Red Sox. Six is not a number that sticks in most people's heads, like, for example, 26 for the Yankees, or '69 and '86 for the Mets. | ||||||
| 523 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 12:42 |
26 only sticks in the head for the Yankees because we've heard that horrible Micheal Kaye voiceover for 7 long years now, that most Yankee fans can recite in their sleep. And then on days like Tuesday after they've been eliminated (or in November of 2004)... all I hear is the following sentence - "I guess we can't win them all.. blah blah, 26 blah blah. 26 blah blah.... blah blah blah" Its like they've been brainwashed. | ||||||
| 524 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 454491514 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 12:43 | Exagerations never go over well (much less successfully emphasize a point) when discussing baseball stats. | ||||||
| 525 | JeffG Leader ID: 01584348 Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:00 |
A recent Village Voice article listed some of the Yankees hotel aliases. Derek Jeter - Johnny Drama Chase Mike Mussina - Simon Phoenix Don Mattingly - Bruce Almighty Ruben Sierra - Austin Powers Bernie Williams - Richard Long Jaret Wright - Turd Ferguson Jore Posada - Ricky Ricardo Hideki Matsui - Joe Saturday Luis Sojo - Harry Pelotas Randy Johnson - Sam Adams Reggie Jackson - Reggie Jackson | ||||||
| 526 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 19:55 | Time to bring back this old timey thread, just in time for a Twitter reaction to the indictment of Roger Clemens for lying to Congress. | ||||||
| 527 | Tree ID: 248472317 Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 20:10 |
Darren Rovell had my favorite tweet on the matter. lol OldHossRadbourn was a close second. | ||||||
| 528 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Sat, Jun 09, 2012, 21:10 |
Roger Clemens' wife seemingly throws herself under the bus in his new trial. I guess the idea is to create some reasonable doubt. But it just makes them look like the HGH Couple. | ||||||
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