Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Thu, Oct 03, 2002, 14:22
Anyways, so how does everyone like their team so far? Mine is fortunate to be 2-2 I think. I'm hoping that 7-7 gets me into the playoffs heh.
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dgrooves
ID: 364522113 Thu, Oct 03, 2002, 15:20
Mine is falling apart with injuries and ineffective performances.
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beebop
ID: 3392222 Thu, Oct 03, 2002, 16:40
Im not sure about mine. My QB and WR arent going how i expected them.....I think im also lucky to be 2-2.
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Nerfherders
ID: 43818813 Thu, Oct 03, 2002, 20:49
QB! what's happened to the 1-2 QB's in the draft? If I can get 20+ out of my QB every week Ill be okay.
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IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621 Thu, Oct 03, 2002, 21:29
damn, edge hasn't scored yet!!! and davis is stinkin' too......so my 2 superstar (or supposed to be......) RB are producing less than expected. Manning too is not to good and the only 2 spots going great are mia OL and nyj ST. ok, i lost 2 games for bad luck, but i don't deserve to be more than 2-2 as i am.
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beebop
ID: 3392222 Fri, Oct 04, 2002, 04:49
About the QB's, i think ive only have over 15 once.....
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Fri, Oct 04, 2002, 11:47
It seems the lower-end guys are doing the job this year. Brady, Bledsoe. Heck, even Kelly Holcombe has more points than Garcia! Bleh. In the other league Im playing I drafted Warner first round. What a disaster. After starting the season 0-4, I took the injury as an opportunity to dump that dude, and then traded for Trent Green.
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wiggs@apartment
ID: 11032171 Fri, Oct 04, 2002, 21:09
i like my team lot. they are playing great. I am willing to trade brunell if anyone needs help at the qb, and I have an extra WR if anyone needs one. I would like help at RB. wiggs
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ART OF MONK
ID: 312461620 Sat, Oct 05, 2002, 16:26
I like my team so far, but I have been lucky. I too am not impressed my qb's. I don't believe I am starting a guy that is 40. I am more amazed that I haven't received any trade offers from beebop. I would not mind moving one of my RB's if I can get some quality in return. When do we need to let you know how long we want to sign a player for?
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ART OF MONK
ID: 312461620 Sat, Oct 05, 2002, 16:37
I don't have access to my email can some post why I did not get my other fa requests? I don't even have a complete team.
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ART OF MONK
ID: 312461620 Sat, Oct 05, 2002, 16:41
Sorry to post again. I see that the tranactions are still pending. I am not sure which Robinson I told you drop, but I would like to keep K. Robinson and Drop B. Robinson. Thanks AP10.
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Doug Sustainer
ID: 3411223 Sun, Oct 06, 2002, 07:11
Responding to what was posted in a prior thread, it takes me closer to an hour (not 10 minutes) to review both my and my opponent's scores by hand (it doesn't make sense to check one but not the other). First, I've got to have the league scoring up in one window, the "preliminary scores" in a second window, and the NFL boxscores in a 3rd. It probably takes me 5 mins. to load the appropriate sites and then a minute or so per starter (times 38 starters) to flip back and forth and back and forth until the alt-tab keys are about to fall off of my keyboard, doing the math for each player or team position. The special teams take a little longer.
Again, my frustration isn't with you, Derek, it's with the site, and specifically the fact that hand-checking our scores is essentially mandatory . I don't hand-check scores in any other league I belong to, unless it's a REALLY close game (and probably not even then). I like this league, I appreciate the work you have done, but I'm just voicing my opinion that the quality of the site hosting our league is not satisfactory. I would prefer to move to another site in future years, even if it meant losing the OLine or Special Teams stats (or doing them by hand). I could cope with doing these 2 stats by hand, but not all the rest.
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Doug Sustainer
ID: 3411223 Sun, Oct 06, 2002, 07:13
One other thing... if the OLine and ST stats are believed to be inaccurate when the "preliminary results" are posted, then it would seem to make more sense to simply omit them from the totals (rather than including false numbers). Just my .02 for making the best of the present situation.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Sun, Oct 06, 2002, 10:15
Doug, there shouldnt be many errors when I post the results. All the stats posted on the site should be correct minus OL & ST and when I download the stats into the software I correct OL & ST manually. I really dont think its necessary to double check each score, but you should atleast eyeball them up. Usually if there is an error, its an obvious one. ie No pts given, or an extreme amnt of pts awarded.
ps) The reason I can not get correct scores on the site is because the scoring for ST & OL are not given properly in the scoring setup. It appears they 'hard wired' those 2 categories for our special scoring. Therefore I can not eliminate them...
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dwfffan
ID: 2995510 Sun, Oct 06, 2002, 10:29
Derek, What do you think of the PSU - MU game next week?
Like the saying goes, "My two favorite teams are Ohio State and whoever beats Michigan"
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Silent D
ID: 21710299 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 16:32
I've smelt wrongdoings since day 1 ...it seems friendship and colusion and all sorts of crap is going on in this league ... something aint right here ... I suggest everyone go back and check ALL your weekly scores as things just arn't right in the world here. So many things just arn't adding up. Not good, not good.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 16:55
Silent D, your comments are a disgrace. Before you start making accusations of false BS you should get your facts straight.
a) Yes, there have been scoring problems. That is NOT my fault, they come down, and I post them. It would be impossible for me to check each persons roster of 31 players each week. That would make for me double checking 372 players each week. Impossible. I've clearly stated that each team should check their stats and I've given each team 2 full days after I post the stats to double check their scores and let me know of any discrepencies. How could there possibly be any wrongdoing in that? I'm not sure how you could suggest that I am purposefully cheating anyones scores. Not only would that be a waste of my time, but also yours. Truthfully, I havent even double checked my scors thus far, because all of my wins have been blowouts. When I have a matchup that is close, I'm sure I will double check my scores.
b) Collusion? What the hell are you talking about? I give every team a fair chance of fixing any errors. Everything in this league, has been 100% fair to each manager. Let me guess, there is collusion between 11 managers and you are the only one being left out? Lol, c'mon man. Think about it like this, if there was collusion, dont you think that my best friends team (Ike44) would be better then 1-3 going on 1-4? Your comments and accusations are ridiculous. I'm sure the other 11 managers in this league will back me up on this.
c) What things arent adding up? Dont rant and rave without giving your examples with solid reasoning. I cant wait to see this....lol.
d) What wrongdoing have you smelt since day 1? Please let me know, because I know of none.
e) I'm not sure what managers you are considering myself friends with, but the only manager who is my real friend is Ike, as I've addressed above, and he is 1-3 going on 1-4. All of the other managers are gurupies that I talk with occasionally, but not any more frequently than yourself.
f) I've given each team a full 2 days after I have posted the final results. If you havent checked your scores before now, it is to late. There needs to be a deadline each week to protest scoring errors. It would be unfair to go back and start changing previous weeks scores. How would you like for managers to scrutinize the scoring in week 11, and go back and change records? Not in this league my friend.
Silent D, your comments are ridiculous. I am in charge of multiple leagues that are run fairly, I have people to back me up on this. I run multiple best bets threads on this board that are also fair. No where, in the years of my management of games, have I been unfair to anyone. I go out of my way, to make things equally fair for all participating players. Your false claims against me hurt my friend. Not once have I ever been accused of such things nor have I had any manager act like you have.
A disgrace.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 16:57
I think all of this stems from the fact that you havent won a game, while I am currently undefeated. Get a life.
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 17:27
If there was collusion AP10 and Ike's teams would have done a whole lot better than distant 3rd and 6th, respectively, in the Baseball league. Please, cmon. Sour grapes.
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mike
ID: 48924717 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 17:29
not to change subjects but is anyone in need of a qb?
let me know
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wiggs
ID: 37928221 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 17:39
ap10, i know you are running the league fairly. Seems like we have 11 happy managers and 1 bitter one. I wouldnt let him get to you. We all appriciate what you are doing for this league!! thanks again wiggs
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IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 18:12
YES, AND I DON'T THINK HE'LL BE, ops sorry, still undefeated after this week.......;-)
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 19:24
One final point to add to nerfherders post 19.
I have not made 1 trade with Ike in our baseball league.
I have not made 1 trade with Ike in our football league. Heck, I havent even made a trade in football.
How could I possibly be colluding with Ike, if that is the accusation...
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 19:25
LAZIO, bring it on ;)
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Ike44
ID: 26929720 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 20:32
But remember nerf that was only the first year for our franchises in baseball. i wont be a decent third next year....
APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Mon, Oct 07, 2002, 23:16
I was thinking. Silent, if you think this league is corrupt. I'll let you be the official scorer. You can be in charge of making sure every players score is correct. Sound good? Wanna approve trades, adds, waives also?
Maybe there would be an appreciation for all the hard, honest work I do.
ps. I'm sorry to keep going on this, but that is one of the most offensive posts directed towards me, ever.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 02:36
269 Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters 300 Italian Eagles
179 Ike44 186 Long Beach Lightning
228 Junkyard Dogs 217 Sandwich Town Statics
239 Furious Midget Klingon Horde 184 beebop
198 Nerfherders 278 Silent Devils
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-----------NEXT WEEK-----------
Junkyard Dogs Birds of Prey
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters Ike44
Art of Monk Nerfherders
Furious Midget Klingon Horde Long Beach Lightning
beebop Sandwich Town Statics
Italian Eagles Silent Devils
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------------------TEAM POINT TOTALS------------------
Birds of Prey APerfect10 Derek_35@hotmail.com --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Trent Green QB KC 20 Start Charlie Garner RB OAK 33 Start Michael Pittman RB TB 8 Start Amani Toomer WR NYG 20 Start Rod Gardner WR WAS 19 Start Terrell Owens WR SF 15 Start Tony Gonzalez TE KC 9 Start Mike Vanderjagt PK IND 8 Start NO ST-SAINTS ST NO 10 Start PIT OL-STEELERS OL PIT 12 Start COURTNEY BROWN DL CLE 14 Start Bobby Hamilton DL NE 10 Start Leonard Little DL STL 0 Start Derrick Brooks LB TB 28 Start Marvin Jones LB NYJ 17 Start Brian Urlacher LB CHI 15 Start Deon Grant DB CAR 15 Start Greg Wesley DB KC 13 Start William Bartee DB KC 0 Jay Fiedler QB MIA 26 Kerry Collins QB NYG 18 Larry Centers RB BUF 11 James Stewart RB DET 0 Az-Zahir Hakim WR DET 0 Ron Johnson WR BAL 0 Wesley Walls TE CAR 3 TEN OL-TITANS OL TEN 6 Aaron Schobel DL BUF 15 Jevon Kearse DL TEN Edgert Hartwell LB BAL 9 Rodney Harrison DB SD 15 Shawn Springs DB SEA 0 Jerome Woods DB KC
Junkyard Dogs wiggs --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Donovan McNabb QB PHI 37 Start LaDai Tomlinson RB SD 12 Start Fred TAYLOR RB JAC 7 Start Ed McCaffrey WR DEN 23 Start Ike Hilliard WR NYG 12 Start Isaac Bruce WR STL 7 Start Freddie Jones TE ARI 14 Start Adam Vinatieri PK NE 2 Start WAS ST-REDSKINS ST WAS -4 Start NO OL-SAINTS OL NO 12 Start Warren Sapp DL TB 15 Start Greg Ellis DL DAL 6 Start Patrick Kerney DL ATL 6 Start Peter Boulware LB BAL 15 Start Keith Brooking LB ATL 14 Start Mo Lewis LB NYJ 11 Start Champ Bailey DB WAS 23 Start Brock Marion DB MIA 9 Start ROBERT GRIFFITH DB CLE 7 Mark BRUNELL QB JAC 15 Robert Edwards RB MIA 3 James Allen RB HOU 0 David Terrell WR CHI 10 Dont Stallworth WR NO 0 Camero Cleeland TE NE 3 MIN ST-VIKINGS ST MIN 0 Gary Walker DL HOU 0 James Farrior LB PIT 10 Keith Newman LB BUF 1 Corey Harris DB GB
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters dgrooves --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Rich Gannon QB OAK 40 Start Curtis Martin RB NYJ 23 Start Ahman Green RB GB 14 Start Donald Driver WR GB 20 Start Curtis Conway WR SD 18 Start Joe Horn WR NO 13 Start Frank Wycheck TE TEN 21 Start Marti Gramatica PK TB 12 Start ARI ST-CARDS ST ARI -2 Start OAK OL-RAIDERS OL OAK 19 Start Micheal Rucker DL CAR 25 Start Hugh Douglas DL PHI 6 Start John Parrella DL OAK 3 Start EARL HOLMES LB CLE 18 Start Ronald McKinnon LB ARI 7 Start Marvcus Patton LB KC 6 Start Lawyer Milloy DB NE 11 Start DAYL MCCUTCHEON DB CLE 8 Start Mike Minter DB CAR 7 Chad Pennington QB NYJ 18 Warrick Dunn RB ATL 4 Najeh Davenport RB GB 1 Corey Bradford WR HOU 0 Darrell Jackson WR SEA 0 Kyle BRADY TE JAC 14 Morten Andersen PK KC 19 SEA ST-SEAHAWKS ST SEA 0 DEN OL-BRONCOS OL DEN 11 Brando Mitchell DL SEA 0 Derek Smith LB SF 22 Tay Cody DB SD 0
Ike44 Ike44 , , , , , , , --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Chris Weinke QB CAR 0 Start Corey Dillon RB CIN 33 Start Mike Alstott RB TB 1 Start Deion Branch WR NE 10 Start Torry Holt WR STL 6 Start Willie Jackson WR ATL 2 Start Alge Crumpler TE ATL 2 Start Jeff Wilkins PK STL 12 Start BUF ST-BILLS ST BUF 6 Start KC OL-CHIEFS OL KC 18 Start Justin Smith DL CIN 9 Start Richard Seymour DL NE 6 Start Duane Clemons DL KC 1 Start Takeo Spikes LB CIN 16 Start Bill Romanowski LB OAK 12 Start Brian Simmons LB CIN 11 Start Darren Woodson DB DAL 14 Start Shaun Williams DB NYG 11 Start Mike Brown DB CHI 9 Joey Harrington QB DET 0 Kurt Warner QB STL 0 William Green RB CLE 0 Derri Alexander WR MIN 0 Muhsin Muhammad WR CAR 0 Byr Chamberlain TE MIN 0 Darren Howard DL NO 2 Chris Hovan DL MIN 0 Chris Claiborne LB DET 0 JAMIR MILLER LB CLE Jay Bellamy DB NO 16 Brent Alexander DB PIT 9
Italian Eagles IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Peyton Manning QB IND 24 Start Stephen Davis RB WAS 23 Start Edgerrin James RB IND 16 Start Rod Smith WR DEN 14 Start Antonio Freeman WR GB 12 Start Peter Warrick WR CIN 12 Start Jeremy Shockey TE NYG 3 Start Seba Janikowski PK OAK 14 Start NYJ ST-JETS ST NYJ 8 Start MIA OL-DOLPHINS OL MIA 15 Start Simeon Rice DL TB 21 Start Kevin Carter DL TEN 13 Start John Abraham DL NYJ 11 Start Jeremia Trotter LB WAS 17 Start Jason Gildon LB PIT 15 Start DWAYNE RUDD LB CLE 7 Start Deltha Oneal DB DEN 37 Start Fred Smoot DB WAS 25 Start ANTHONY HENRY DB CLE 13 Jim Miller QB CHI 21 Shane Matthews QB WAS 0 Olandis Gary RB DEN 6 Jonathan Wells RB HOU 0 David Patten WR NE 27 Antonio Bryant WR DAL 9 PHIL DAWSON PK CLE 2 Raylee Johnson DL SD 14 Phillip Daniels DL CHI 6 Jamie Sharper LB HOU 0 Chad Scott DB PIT 12 Nate Clements DB BUF 10
Sandwich Town Statics mike --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Aaron Brooks QB NO 14 Start Travis Henry RB BUF 22 Start Eddie George RB TEN 6 Start Johnnie Morton WR KC 14 Start James Thrash WR PHI 11 Start Eric Johnson TE SF 6 Start Mike Hollis PK BUF 13 Start PHI ST-EAGLES ST PHI 24 Start GB OL-PACKERS OL GB 12 Start Michael Strahan DL NYG 8 Start Trevor Pryce DL DEN 6 Start Marcellus Wiley DL SD 2 Start Ray Lewis LB BAL 23 Start Sam Cowart LB NYJ 15 Start Jamie Duncan LB STL 12 Start Eric Warfield DB KC 13 Start Ronde Barber DB TB 9 Start Ahmed Plummer DB SF 7 Tom Brady QB NE 12 TIM COUCH QB CLE 6 Jerome Bettis RB PIT 14 T.j. Duckett RB ATL 11 Jerry Rice WR OAK 17 Josh Reed WR BUF 8 Micha Westbrook WR CIN 0 Anthony Becht TE NYJ 7 Olindo Mare PK MIA 15 ATL OL-FALCONS OL ATL 4 Dan Morgan LB CAR 22 Andre Dyson DB TEN 15 R.W McQuarters DB CHI 11 Coy Wire DB BUF 7
Silent Devils Silent Devil --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Jamie Martin QB STL 9 Start Emmitt Smith RB DAL 16 Start Anthony Thomas RB CHI 7 Start Eric Moulds WR BUF 19 Start Joey Galloway WR DAL 18 Start Plaxico Burress WR PIT 15 Start Randy Mcmichael TE MIA 14 Start Ryan Longwell PK GB 19 Start TEN ST-TITANS ST TEN 18 Start CHI OL-BEARS OL CHI 8 Start K Gbaja-Biamila DL GB 39 Start Ky Vanden Bosch DL ARI 12 Start Joe Johnson DL GB 7 Start Nate Wayne LB GB 19 Start London Fletcher LB BUF 17 Start Mike Barrow LB NYG 10 Start Ryan McNeil DB SD 15 Start Kwamie Lassiter DB ARI 9 Start Lance Schulters DB TEN 7 Brian Griese QB DEN 21 Daunt Culpepper QB MIN 0 Troy Hambrick RB DAL 2 Michael Bennett RB MIN 0 Dwayne Bates WR MIN 0 Derrick Mason WR TEN 0 Todd Heap TE BAL 14 Robert Porcher DL DET 0 Junior Seau LB SD 0 T.J. SLAUGHTER LB JAC Samari Rolle DB TEN 16 Aeneas Williams DB STL 0
beebop beebop , , , , , , , --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Steve McNair QB TEN 14 Start Priest Holmes RB KC 44 Start Marshall Faulk RB STL 17 Start Marty Booker WR CHI 21 Start Laveranue Coles WR NYJ 19 Start KEVIN JOHNSON WR CLE 7 Start Shannon Sharpe TE DEN 11 Start David Akers PK PHI 9 Start MIA ST-DOLPHINS ST MIA 0 Start SD OL-CHARGERS OL SD 9 Start Grant Wistrom DL STL 2 Start Roderic Coleman DL OAK 0 Start Anthon Pleasant DL NE 0 Start Rosevelt Colvin LB CHI 14 Start Charlie Clemons LB NO 11 Start Greg Biekert LB OAK 0 Start Rogers Beckett DB SD 6 Start Ray Buchanan DB ATL 0 Start COREY FULLER DB CLE 0 Drew Brees QB SD 9 Ron Dayne RB NYG 1 Trung Canidate RB STL 0 J.J Stokes WR SF 14 Wayne Chrebet WR NYJ 0 David Sloan TE NO 2 Jay Feely PK ATL 10 ATL ST-FALCONS ST ATL 36 NYG OL-GIANTS OL NYG 11 Shaun Rogers DL DET 0 John Mobley LB DEN 9 Doug Evans DB SEA 0
Furious Midget Klingon Horde Doug --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Michael Vick QB ATL 1 Start Tiki Barber RB NYG 17 Start Amos Zereoue RB PIT 14 Start Keyshaw Johnson WR TB 25 Start Hines Ward WR PIT 16 Start Troy Brown WR NE 0 Start Marcus Pollard TE IND 7 Start John Carney PK NO 27 Start DET ST-LIONS ST DET 0 Start SF OL-NINERS OL SF 18 Start Jason Taylor DL MIA 24 Start Chidi Ahanotu DL STL 4 Start Tony BRACKENS DL JAC 4 Start Mike Peterson LB IND 20 Start Kevin Hardy LB DAL 7 Start Hardy NICKERSON LB GB 2 Start Donovin DARIUS DB JAC 19 Start Sammy Knight DB NO 18 Start Darren Sharper DB GB 16 Brad Johnson QB TB 10 Trent Dilfer QB SEA 0 Thomas Jones RB ARI 0 Tyrone Wheatley RB OAK 0 Deshaun Foster RB CAR Randy Moss WR MIN 0 Germane Crowell WR DET Itula Mili TE SEA 0 Steve Christie PK SD 4 DAL OL-COWBOYS OL DAL 9 KENARD LANG DL CLE 8 Michael McCrary DL BAL 1 Wali RAINER LB JAC 3 Aaron Glenn DB HOU 0
Art of Monk Art of Monk mboyack@sa.utah.edu --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Rodney Peete QB CAR 7 Start Deuc McAllister RB NO 28 Start Kevan Barlow RB SF 5 Start Keena Mccardell WR TB 14 Start Jimmy SMITH WR JAC 13 Start Tim Brown WR OAK 9 Start Bubba Franks TE GB 8 Start John Hall PK NYJ 8 Start OAK ST-RAIDERS ST OAK 8 Start IND OL-COLTS OL IND 12 Start Andre Carter DL SF 15 Start Julius Peppers DL CAR 14 Start Darwin Walker DL PHI 12 Start Mike Maslowski LB KC 13 Start Rob Morris LB IND 9 Start Dexter Coakley LB DAL 6 Start Tony Parrish DB SF 35 Start Adam Archuleta DB STL 16 Start Quentin Jammer DB SD 2 Quincy Carter QB DAL 17 Kordell Stewart QB PIT 0 Jamal Lewis RB BAL 22 Shaun Alexander RB SEA 0 Brian Finneran WR ATL 11 Koren Robinson WR SEA 0 STL OL-RAMS OL STL 8 Laroi Glover DL DAL 11 Ryan Sims DL KC 6 Kendrell Bell LB PIT 0 Chad Brown LB SEA 0 John Lynch DB TB 8
Nerfherders Jason --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Jeff Garcia QB SF 21 Start Duce Staley RB PHI 17 Start Lamar Smith RB CAR 4 Start Peerless Price WR BUF 25 Start Chris Chambers WR MIA 18 Start David Boston WR ARI 7 Start Jay Riemersma TE BUF 4 Start Jason Elam PK DEN 11 Start KC ST-CHIEFS ST KC 8 Start PHI OL-EAGLES OL PHI 14 Start Eric Hicks DL KC 2 Start Kenny Holmes DL NYG 0 Start Corey Simon DL PHI 0 Start Zach Thomas LB MIA 15 Start Donnie Edwards LB SD 14 Start Shawn Barber LB PHI 10 Start Brian Dawkins DB PHI 10 Start Ty Law DB NE 10 Start Troy Vincent DB PHI 8 Jake Plummer QB ARI 9 Garrison Hearst RB SF 22 Eddie Kennison WR KC 6 Bill Schroeder WR DET 0 Matt Stover PK BAL 22 NE ST-PATRIOTS ST NE 14 Vonnie Holliday DL GB 0 Seth Payne DL HOU 0 Marc Washington LB IND 8 Dat Nguyen LB DAL 0 Kailee Wong LB HOU 0 Patrick Surtain DB MIA 14 Dewa Washington DB PIT 0
Long Beach Lightning Dennis --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Drew Bledsoe QB BUF 17 Start Ricky Williams RB MIA 8 Start Antowain Smith RB NE 2 Start Marvin Harrison WR IND 29 Start Andre Davis WR CLE 12 Start Qadry Ismail WR IND 10 Start Chad Lewis TE PHI 21 Start Paul Edinger PK CHI 6 Start DAL ST-COWBOYS ST DAL 12 Start CAR OL-PANTHERS OL CAR 7 Start Jason Ferguson DL NYJ 10 Start GERARD WARREN DL CLE 5 Start Chad Bratzke DL IND 2 Start Joey Porter LB PIT 15 Start Ian Gold LB DEN 9 Start LaVar Arrington LB WAS 1 Start Adrian Wilson DB ARI 12 Start Antoine Winfield DB BUF 8 Start Mike McKenzie DB GB 0 Brett Favre QB GB 34 Clinton Portis RB DEN 19 Dorsey Levens RB PHI 1 Terry Glenn WR GB 16 Javon Walker WR GB 0 Mikhael Ricks TE DET 0 Todd Peterson PK PIT 6 Dwight Freeney DL IND 12 Adewal Ogunleye DL MIA 4 Warrick Holdman LB CHI 0 Isai Kacyvenski LB SEA 0 Anthony Simmons LB SEA 0 Roy Williams DB DAL 15 ------------------------------------------------------------------
You have until Wednesday at 6pm EST to file any scoring discrepencies. Please DOUBLE CHECK your scores.
Thanks,
AP10
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Doug Sustainer
ID: 3411223 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 05:24
One thing I would suggest is not deleting the original scores when you post the corrected ones. Particularly if the outcome of a game has been changed... I'd MUCH rather take a bandwith hit but be able to see the "before and after" to figure out scoring.
Also, could you please explain what happened last week such that the scores that were originally posted had an incorrect roster for my opponent. Thanks in advance...
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Doug Sustainer
ID: 3411223 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 05:29
Another nice thing would be that whenever a correction is made (ST or OL corrected) that it is posted publicly, so we all know what's going on. It's not that I don't trust you or anything, it just saves me from having to spend an hour playing detective when a simple 10 second explanation from someone would have sufficed.
Also, FWIW, I don't understand why there needs to be a protest period. The stats are the stats, I don't see why it should matter that much if they are corrected today vs. next week or whatever. I think the winner of a game should be whoever scored the most points, not whoever really scored the most points by Wednesday at 6pm EST. It's not like you're going to be swamped with emails correcting previous weeks scores, etc. Just my .02.
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wiggs@work Donor
ID: 447432423 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 08:28
Derek, i think you and I are battling this week. your true chance to pull away or my chance to take first, should be quite a battle. GL. wiggs
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IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 10:19
Silent, don't even think to start winning games next week please!!!! ;-)
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Silent D
ID: 21710299 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 14:03
Why are you going insane dude? You've cheated me more then once with free agent pick ups and i've seen you do it to others as well ... then when I e-mail you "oops I must have overlooked it" (you never seem to overlook your team) Unfortunately I have had many personal issues going on at home so I havn't had much time to look things over but I do know when something isn't right and the constant "mistakes" in your favour (especially when u know a manager isn't paying 100% attention) ie me ... I assure you though, u will not take advantage of me any longer and I will do my best to win this league just so you can't. Peace!
That's all I have to say, so instead of yelling and screaming and defending yourself (why so defensive if you've done nothing wrong?) please just let this go and let the best man win.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 17:42
Silent, dont take your personal problems out on me. Please let me know how I've cheated anyone out of a free agent pickup? Pretty please, I'm dying to know.
Once again, you say stuff without backing up your words. I have never made mistakes in my favor on purpose or chose to ignore mistakes. I have no clue what you are talking about, please clarify. Maybe you want to drop the issue because you realize how ridiculous you sound.
How am I supposed to know you havent been paying attention? Is that my fault? Am I supposed to give you special treatment? C'mon man, get a grip of reality.
Why am I defending myself? Because I was wrongfully accused of something that hurts. As much time as I spend on this league so myself along with 11 others can have a fun time, then you slam me for no apparant reason? Give no details.
You are a joke...
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 17:45
Why are you the only one that feels cheated?
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mike
ID: 47913818 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 18:20
waive coy wire
(since mcquarters is playing again)
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 18:31
it went through...and was approved.
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Tue, Oct 08, 2002, 20:14
It's free agent frenzy! woow!
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wiggs@work Donor
ID: 447432423 Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 08:24
AP10, 10 of us appriciate what you are doing for us. dont worry about the 1 fool that doesnt know any better.
Also I wanted to post that Farn and I are running a basketball keeper league for guru patrons. If anyone in here is looking for a league you are all welcome if you are patrons, and we can even accept a couple that arent if you really want in. Please sign up at the basketball standings forum. wiggs
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wiggs@work Donor
ID: 447432423 Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 09:20
derek, just noticed that we play this week in a huge battle and I am missing 3 key parts of my team including the biggest weapon i have. Mcnabb is on a bye along with jones and lewis. you are missing urlacher and marvin jones. it is just to bad we arent playing such a big game with our full squads.
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beebop
ID: 3392222 Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 09:44
Wiggs, ill trade you McNair for a week if that helps. I always like to see the undefeated get defeated. (nothing against you derek). ;)
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wiggs@work Donor
ID: 447432423 Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 09:58
beebop, I have brunell, i dont know how much of an upgrade mcnair will be, what would you want in return for mcnair?
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beebop
ID: 3392222 Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 10:22
Oh....lol.....wasnt sure if you had a good backup or not. I was too lazy to check.... I havent really thought about what i would want for him in return for him.
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wiggs@work Donor
ID: 447432423 Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 10:28
yeah, brunell will do alright, he just isnt the weapon mcnabb is, especially against ap10
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Ike44
ID: 37941913 Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 13:42
wiggs i would be very interested in that basketball league...however i am not a guru patron
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wiggs Donor
ID: 37928221 Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 15:35
ike, its cool, we have enough guru guys to qualify for a prize. Go to the basketball standings forum and sign in
Also what school do you go to? is it wilkes, or kings? or something else. I have been spending alot of time in wilkes barre. maybe we can get together sometime. peace.
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dwfffan
ID: 1293817 Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 16:40
Derek, please disregard the addition of Prioleau,Pierson-DB-BUF. He is not the player I want.
thanks
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 19:14
dwfffan, I removed it.
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Ike44
ID: 10821818 Thu, Oct 10, 2002, 19:28
I go to King's College wiggs. I am on fall break this weekend. Let me know whenever you go back to Wilkes-Barre and we can get together.
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dwfffan
ID: 1293817 Fri, Oct 11, 2002, 12:32
How is beebop still at the top of the list (as per your lasr e-mail dated 11 Oct), after taking Marcus, Bell, LB SEA ?
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Doug Sustainer
ID: 3411223 Fri, Oct 11, 2002, 16:31
Derek... I know you're working hard, but like dwfffan I've noticed a few things in the waiver process that don't seem to make sense... I've emailed you about these before the last round of claims were processed, but I didn't get a response so I'll post these concerns here so everyone can be in on the discussion.
My first concern is the fact that Nerf used his priority to get both Mixon AND Bernard... this doesn't make sense to me, as soon as one of the claims is processed he moves to the back of the line before the second one is processed, no?
Also, am I misreading the rules, or is the waiver period 48 hours from the time of the initial claim? You seem to be resetting the time the waiver will process if someone with a higher priority also submits a claim to 48 hours from the higher prioirty claim, but I don't remember anything about that in the rules. I believe it's supposed to be 48 hours from the time of the initial claim regardless of whether a higher priority claim is placed.
Not accusing you of ANYTHING, just voicing some concerns on a few issues that affect the waivers process and that may have fallen through the cracks.
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beebop
ID: 3392222 Fri, Oct 11, 2002, 17:12
dwfffan, i dont think that list isupdated. As when you look down, some of the players i tried to pickup, i couldnt becuase of the waiver priority. That said, could that person please have left Pathon alone so i coulda had 3 starting WR's this week. lol Also, i think its already been discussed, but i cant remember the reasoning, what was the problem in doing a pickup/drop at the one time and the whole process taking 2 days. Because you are basically screwed if you cant pick up a player because of priority,and then the next guy you try, youmiss out for the same reason.
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dwfffan
ID: 1293817 Fri, Oct 11, 2002, 17:30
Beebop, I was just wondering how you were 1st on the list before picking up Bell, and you are still 1st on the list after getting him? I see other positions updated, just not yours.
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beebop
ID: 3392222 Fri, Oct 11, 2002, 17:53
Oh, ok.....pity im still not getting the benefits of first priority though ;) Oh well....Im off to work now....GL to Mike, we should have a tie with our current lineup... :) You should beat me easily though. My D sucks.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Fri, Oct 11, 2002, 18:37
doug, I replied to your email, so I'm not sure why you didnt get it.
The waiver priority listed in each email is CURRENT, that priority does change with each add processed however. Remember, your priority doesnt change until that first add is processed and that player is literally added to your team. (If I were to adjust the waiver priority for each claim (prior to actually being added) it would be changing, literally every hour. I would be moving from #2 to #12 back to #1 if the number one guy used his priority and took your guy.)
To determine, who gets whom, is based on two things...
a) Waiver priority & b) Order of claims being placed.
Using those two categories, I have to make a projected waiver claim priority that is adjusting literally, every hour. It seems difficult, but if you map it out, its easy.
An example & solution to your problem/situation.
The reason why Nerfherders got 2 claims ahead of you and you only got 1 claim ahead of him is simple if you map it out. Lets go through the timeline.
Original Priority (these may not be exactly accurate, but FMKH had a higher priority than Nerf originally. In this scenario, that is all that matters.
Nerf placed multiple claims. add Bulluck add Bernard add Mixon
a day later FMKH places multiple claims add Bulluck add XXX add XXX add Bernard add Mixon
Both teams have Bulluck as their #1 claim. FMKH has higher priority, so he obtains Bulluck.
Priority after add of Bulluck 1. Nerf . . 12. FMKH
add Bernard, nerf has #1 priority so he obtains him.
Priority after last add
1. XXX . 11. FMKH 12. Nerf
FMKH has 2 adds (that arent similar to nerf) before their similar one.
Priority after 2 FMKH adds (not similar to nerf)
1. XXX . 11. Nerf 12. FMKH
Now they both have a claim in for Mixon. Nerf has the higher priority, so he obtains his rights.
Priority after last add
1. XXX . 11. FMKH 12. Nerf
Understand? That is the exact same process that yahoo proceses their claims, but they have a computer doing it. I'm doing it manually. Its really not that hard.
Hope that helps.
Derek
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Fri, Oct 11, 2002, 18:40
PS, No one has gotten screwed out of their claims. If you have #1 priority, you have priority over everyone. You cant pick up 10 people with that #1 priority however, you can only pick up 1. After that one add, the final 9 claims you have lowest priority.
I have record of each and every transaction, times placed and everything. Once your claim is to me and in my records, it is done correct. Basically, if you see your add in the daily emails, your claim will be processed properly. If your claim isnt in the emails, I never recieved your claim. Notify me immediately.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 39143521 Fri, Oct 11, 2002, 19:14
dwfffan, you are correct. beebop should've been listed near the bottom of the priority list for the 10/11 email. He was at the bottom of the list on my sheet, unforunately the information copied incorrectly into the email.
To prove beebop was placed at the end after his claim. beebop used his #1 priority on Marcus Bell. His 2nd claim was Jerome Pathon, which he lost to Sandwich Town Statics. Since then, he has had a claim go through and was placed at the bottom. Everything is correct.
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beebop
ID: 3392222 Sat, Oct 12, 2002, 03:38
Thanx...i knew i shouldnt have been at the top still....I just hope i can get a full team by the sunday games....lol
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dgrooves
ID: 364522113 Sat, Oct 12, 2002, 14:37
I may not get to a computer before my waiver claims are added to my team, so here's my lineup for the weekend:
Doug Sustainer
ID: 3411223 Sat, Oct 12, 2002, 18:52
Thanks for the explanation Derek... this all makes sense, and now I see that the problem with Nerf getting both DLs is related to the issue I raised of the 48 hour claim period from INITIAL claim. I have been basing my claims on this understanding. Therefore, since my claims were placed a day later than Nerf, both of my "other" claims should have been a day later. Clearly, if someone else has a claim on a player I want that claim to process before my other claims. It is difficult to set my claims up in an organized manner such as this if the process date and time keeps resetting every time a higher priority claim is put in. Alternately, I'd have to continually reorder my claims every time you send out an update. Finally, since there are often multiple players scheduled to process at the same time, it would be helpful if you could show the "order" of the 5 players being processed Friday at 5pm, etc. so that I know how to order my claims accordingly. It seems this order should be fixed, regardless of priority.
Basically, what it boils down to is that I fail to understand the problem with 48 hours from time of initial claim or how it would result in anyone getting "screwed". On the other hand, I find the "reset the time" system to make things unnecessarily complicated and I do feel I basically got screwed out of a DL by "wasting" my priority on a player who wasn't being challenged. Clearly this wasn't my intent, as my understanding was that the DLs would be processed consecutively, not DL, then K, then back to DL again.
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beebop
ID: 3392222 Sun, Oct 13, 2002, 09:08
Congratulations Mike, your gonna kick my ass. You took Pathon!! Oh well ;) And my waiver claim wont go through in time, im down a WR. Oh well, my fault really in bad drafting for bye weeks.... Good luck to everyone else this week.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Sun, Oct 13, 2002, 15:39
Doug, i'm not sure I followed everything you posted but...
When 2 players make similar claims, that player should be processed 48 hours after the first claim. If you have noticed different, let me know. I know there was a mistake with your one claim, but I changed that earlier in the week.
Since claims are not timestamped I do not know the exact minute a claim was made therefore I list the 48 hours starting when I notice the claim. That is the reason for multiple claims at the exact same time (they are the times I check). The order is correct however and is listed from top -> bottom of the email. Top = first claim(s) -> Bottom = last claim(s).
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IRRIDUCIBILI
ID: 221441621 Sun, Oct 13, 2002, 18:57
i'm not sure to have it clear in my mind, but how is that i didn't get ramsey for my worst claiming order, and was relegated in the last spot too, while the one who obtained him is now in the first spot? so he get ramsey and the 1st spot?
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Sun, Oct 13, 2002, 22:58
LAZIO, you made 3 claims this week therefore before that last wave of claims, you had the lowest priority. Ike hasnt made a claim for a couple of weeks, and was ranked #1. Rather simple. Once Ike makes his claim, he gets bumped to #12, but I havent sent out an email since the player was placed on Ikes roster, therefore in the last email, ike was still ranked #1.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Mon, Oct 14x, 2002, 13:21
Week 6 Results through Sunday Night ------------------TEAM POINT TOTALS------------------
Birds of Prey APerfect10 Derek_35@hotmail.com --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Jay Fiedler QB MIA 2 Start Michael Pittman RB TB 19 Start Charlie Garner RB OAK 14 Start Rod Gardner WR WAS 8 Start Amani Toomer WR NYG 4 Start Terrell Owens WR SF Start Tony Gonzalez TE KC 10 Start Mike Vanderjagt PK IND 29 Start NO ST-SAINTS ST NO 48 Start PIT OL-STEELERS OL PIT 17 Start Leonard Little DL STL 11 Start COURTNEY BROWN DL CLE 5 Start Aaron Schobel DL BUF 4 Start Edgert Hartwell LB BAL 17 Start Shelton Quarles LB TB 16 Start Derrick Brooks LB TB 13 Start William Bartee DB KC 16 Start Deon Grant DB CAR 8 Start Greg Wesley DB KC Trent Green QB KC 23 Kerry Collins QB NYG 11 James Stewart RB DET 7 Larry Centers RB BUF 3 Az-Zahir Hakim WR DET 19 Ron Johnson WR BAL 2 Wesley Walls TE CAR TEN OL-TITANS OL TEN 16 Bobby Hamilton DL NE 24 Jevon Kearse DL TEN Brian Urlacher LB CHI Marvin Jones LB NYJ Rodney Harrison DB SD 18 Jerome Woods DB KC
Junkyard Dogs wiggs --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Mark BRUNELL QB JAC 1 Start LaDai Tomlinson RB SD 29 Start Fred TAYLOR RB JAC 6 Start Ike Hilliard WR NYG 20 Start Isaac Bruce WR STL 18 Start Ed McCaffrey WR DEN 11 Start Camero Cleeland TE NE Start Adam Vinatieri PK NE 7 Start WAS ST-REDSKINS ST WAS -2 Start NO OL-SAINTS OL NO 12 Start Warren Sapp DL TB 23 Start Greg Ellis DL DAL 10 Start Patrick Kerney DL ATL 4 Start Keith Brooking LB ATL 19 Start Peter Boulware LB BAL 16 Start Mo Lewis LB NYJ Start Brock Marion DB MIA 16 Start Champ Bailey DB WAS 5 Start ROBERT GRIFFITH DB CLE Donovan McNabb QB PHI JAMEL WHITE RB CLE 16 James Allen RB HOU 3 Dont Stallworth WR NO David Terrell WR CHI Freddie Jones TE ARI MIN ST-VIKINGS ST MIN 16 Gary Walker DL HOU 11 James Farrior LB PIT 6 Jessie Armstead LB WAS 2 Corey Harris DB GB
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters dgrooves greavd@pikes-rpi.com --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Rich Gannon QB OAK 4 Start Ahman Green RB GB 30 Start Warrick Dunn RB ATL 13 Start Curtis Conway WR SD 21 Start Joe Horn WR NO 18 Start Donald Driver WR GB 7 Start Frank Wycheck TE TEN 7 Start Morten Andersen PK KC 18 Start HOU ST-TEXANS ST HOU 12 Start OAK OL-RAIDERS OL OAK 5 Start John Henderson DL JAC 13 Start Micheal Rucker DL CAR 5 Start Chike Okeafor DL SF Start EARL HOLMES LB CLE 17 Start Ronald McKinnon LB ARI Start Derek Smith LB SF Start Mike Minter DB CAR 20 Start Brian Kelly DB TB 19 Start Reggie Tongue DB SEA Tommy Maddox QB PIT 5 Chad Pennington QB NYJ Stacey MACK RB JAC Curtis Martin RB NYJ Corey Bradford WR HOU 17 Darrell Jackson WR SEA Marti Gramatica PK TB 9 STL ST-RAMS ST STL 20 DEN OL-BRONCOS OL DEN 9 Hugh Douglas DL PHI Rob Fredrickson LB ARI Lawyer Milloy DB NE 12
Ike44 Ike44 , , , , , , , --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Joey Harrington QB DET 21 Start Mike Alstott RB TB 27 Start Corey Dillon RB CIN 14 Start Torry Holt WR STL 18 Start Muhsin Muhammad WR CAR 14 Start Deion Branch WR NE 8 Start Byr Chamberlain TE MIN 15 Start Jeff Wilkins PK STL 8 Start BUF ST-BILLS ST BUF 6 Start KC OL-CHIEFS OL KC 11 Start Darren Howard DL NO 29 Start Justin Smith DL CIN 3 Start Duane Clemons DL KC 2 Start Chris Claiborne LB DET 20 Start Takeo Spikes LB CIN 16 Start Brian Simmons LB CIN 1 Start Jay Bellamy DB NO 30 Start Shaun Williams DB NYG 12 Start Darren Woodson DB DAL 9 Patrick Ramsey QB WAS 12 Kurt Warner QB STL William Green RB CLE 2 Derri Alexander WR MIN 5 Willie Jackson WR ATL 2 Alge Crumpler TE ATL 9 Chris Hovan DL MIN 11 Richard Seymour DL NE 3 Bill Romanowski LB OAK 10 JAMIR MILLER LB CLE Brent Alexander DB PIT 7 Mike Brown DB CHI
Italian Eagles IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Peyton Manning QB IND 12 Start Stephen Davis RB WAS 9 Start Edgerrin James RB IND 8 Start Rod Smith WR DEN 17 Start David Patten WR NE 3 Start Antonio Freeman WR GB Start Kyle BRADY TE JAC Start Seba Janikowski PK OAK 13 Start SD ST-CHARGERS ST SD 32 Start MIA OL-DOLPHINS OL MIA 8 Start Kevin Carter DL TEN 19 Start Raylee Johnson DL SD 8 Start Simeon Rice DL TB 5 Start Jamie Sharper LB HOU 19 Start Jason Gildon LB PIT 3 Start Jeremia Trotter LB WAS 3 Start Chad Scott DB PIT 17 Start ANTHONY HENRY DB CLE 11 Start Nate Clements DB BUF 9 Jim Miller QB CHI Moe Williams RB MIN 9 Jonathan Wells RB HOU 7 Antonio Bryant WR DAL 13 Peter Warrick WR CIN 3 Jeremy Shockey TE NYG NYJ ST-JETS ST NYJ John Abraham DL NYJ Phillip Daniels DL CHI DWAYNE RUDD LB CLE 3 Fred Smoot DB WAS 5 Deltha Oneal DB DEN 0
Sandwich Town Statics mike --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Aaron Brooks QB NO 23 Start Travis Henry RB BUF 27 Start Jerome Bettis RB PIT 22 Start Jerry Rice WR OAK 20 Start Jerome Pathon WR NO 3 Start Johnnie Morton WR KC Start Eric Johnson TE SF Start Mike Hollis PK BUF 13 Start PHI ST-EAGLES ST PHI Start GB OL-PACKERS OL GB 18 Start Trevor Pryce DL DEN 29 Start Michael Strahan DL NYG 10 Start Marcellus Wiley DL SD Start Dan Morgan LB CAR 2 Start Jamie Duncan LB STL Start Ray Lewis LB BAL Start Eric Warfield DB KC 24 Start Ronde Barber DB TB 19 Start Ahmed Plummer DB SF TIM COUCH QB CLE 3 Tom Brady QB NE 0 Eddie George RB TEN 28 T.j. Duckett RB ATL 4 Josh Reed WR BUF 3 James Thrash WR PHI Anthony Becht TE NYJ Olindo Mare PK MIA 13 ATL OL-FALCONS OL ATL 8 Sam Cowart LB NYJ Andre Dyson DB TEN 11 R.W McQuarters DB CHI
Silent Devils Silent Devil --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Daunt Culpepper QB MIN 29 Start Michael Bennett RB MIN 23 Start Emmitt Smith RB DAL 6 Start Plaxico Burress WR PIT 22 Start Eric Moulds WR BUF 15 Start Dwayne Bates WR MIN 1 Start Todd Heap TE BAL 9 Start Ryan Longwell PK GB 8 Start TEN ST-TITANS ST TEN 12 Start CHI OL-BEARS OL CHI Start K Gbaja-Biamila DL GB 9 Start Robert Porcher DL DET 3 Start Ky Vanden Bosch DL ARI Start London Fletcher LB BUF 15 Start Nate Wayne LB GB 5 Start Junior Seau LB SD 3 Start Lance Schulters DB TEN 16 Start Ryan McNeil DB SD 9 Start Kwamie Lassiter DB ARI Brian Griese QB DEN 14 Jamie Martin QB STL Troy Hambrick RB DAL 1 Anthony Thomas RB CHI Joey Galloway WR DAL 19 Derrick Mason WR TEN Randy Mcmichael TE MIA 17 Joe Johnson DL GB Mike Barrow LB NYG 19 T.J. SLAUGHTER LB JAC Aeneas Williams DB STL 7 Samari Rolle DB TEN 4
beebop beebop , , , , , , , --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Priest Holmes RB KC 28 Start Marshall Faulk RB STL 27 Start Stevonne Smith WR CAR 7 Start KEVIN JOHNSON WR CLE 3 Start J.J Stokes WR SF Start Shannon Sharpe TE DEN 8 Start Jay Feely PK ATL 9 Start MIA ST-DOLPHINS ST MIA 34 Start SD OL-CHARGERS OL SD 19 Start Brad Scioli DL IND 17 Start Grant Wistrom DL STL 16 Start Roderic Coleman DL OAK Start John Mobley LB DEN 10 Start Charlie Clemons LB NO 4 Start Marcus Bell LB SEA Start Rod Woodson DB OAK 10 Start Rogers Beckett DB SD 4 Start Doug Evans DB SEA Drew Brees QB SD 20 Steve McNair QB TEN 14 Ron Dayne RB NYG 4 Trung Canidate RB STL Marty Booker WR CHI Laveranue Coles WR NYJ David Sloan TE NO 2 David Akers PK PHI ATL ST-FALCONS ST ATL 6 NYG OL-GIANTS OL NYG 9 Shaun Rogers DL DET 7 Rosevelt Colvin LB CHI COREY FULLER DB CLE 6
Furious Midget Klingon Horde Doug --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Brad Johnson QB TB 4 Start Tiki Barber RB NYG 8 Start Amos Zereoue RB PIT 8 Start Randy Moss WR MIN 17 Start Keyshaw Johnson WR TB 10 Start Hines Ward WR PIT 8 Start Marcus Pollard TE IND 16 Start John Carney PK NO 21 Start DET ST-LIONS ST DET 10 Start SF OL-NINERS OL SF Start Jason Taylor DL MIA 32 Start Kris Jenkins DL CAR 8 Start KENARD LANG DL CLE 6 Start Mike Peterson LB IND 21 Start Keith Bulluck LB TEN 12 Start Hardy NICKERSON LB GB 2 Start Sammy Knight DB NO 12 Start Donovin DARIUS DB JAC 9 Start Aaron Glenn DB HOU 9 Trent Dilfer QB SEA Michael Vick QB ATL Tyrone Wheatley RB OAK 0 Deshaun Foster RB CAR Thomas Jones RB ARI Troy Brown WR NE 8 Germane Crowell WR DET Itula Mili TE SEA PHIL DAWSON PK CLE 7 Tony BRACKENS DL JAC 6 Michael McCrary DL BAL Wali RAINER LB JAC 22 Kevin Hardy LB DAL 12 Darren Sharper DB GB
Art of Monk Art of Monk mboyack@sa.utah.edu --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Rodney Peete QB CAR 9 Start Deuc McAllister RB NO 10 Start Shaun Alexander RB SEA Start Jimmy SMITH WR JAC 8 Start Tim Brown WR OAK 7 Start Keena Mccardell WR TB 1 Start Bubba Franks TE GB 20 Start Jose Cortez PK SF Start OAK ST-RAIDERS ST OAK 6 Start STL OL-RAMS OL STL 16 Start Julius Peppers DL CAR 36 Start Laroi Glover DL DAL 1 Start Andre Carter DL SF Start Dexter Coakley LB DAL 15 Start Mike Maslowski LB KC 7 Start Chad Brown LB SEA Start Adam Archuleta DB STL 26 Start Quentin Jammer DB SD 7 Start Tony Parrish DB SF Quincy Carter QB DAL 17 Kordell Stewart QB PIT Jamal Lewis RB BAL 31 Kevan Barlow RB SF Brian Finneran WR ATL 12 Koren Robinson WR SEA John Hall PK NYJ IND OL-COLTS OL IND 4 Darwin Walker DL PHI Rob Morris LB IND 6 Kendrell Bell LB PIT John Lynch DB TB 9 Reggie Howard DB CAR
Nerfherders Jason Start Jeff Garcia QB SF --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Jeff Garcia QB SF Start Lamar Smith RB CAR 9 Start Garrison Hearst RB SF Start Peerless Price WR BUF 26 Start Eddie Kennison WR KC 3 Start Chris Chambers WR MIA Start Jay Riemersma TE BUF 7 Start Jason Elam PK DEN 31 Start KC ST-CHIEFS ST KC -12 Start MIN OL-VIKINGS OL MIN 13 Start Eric Hicks DL KC 16 Start Kenny Mixon DL MIN 7 Start Rocky Bernard DL SEA Start Donnie Edwards LB SD 20 Start Zach Thomas LB MIA 20 Start Marc Washington LB IND 8 Start Patrick Surtain DB MIA 29 Start Ty Law DB NE 13 Start Dewa Washington DB PIT 12 Duce Staley RB PHI Bill Schroeder WR DET 4 David Boston WR ARI Matt Stover PK BAL 17 NE ST-PATRIOTS ST NE 26 PHI OL-EAGLES OL PHI Seth Payne DL HOU 7 Vonnie Holliday DL GB Eric Barton LB OAK 8 Shawn Barber LB PHI Dat Nguyen LB DAL Brian Dawkins DB PHI Troy Vincent DB PHI
Long Beach Lightning Dennis --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Drew Bledsoe QB BUF 16 Start Ricky Williams RB MIA 23 Start Clinton Portis RB DEN 16 Start Marvin Harrison WR IND 27 Start Qadry Ismail WR IND 10 Start Terry Glenn WR GB 4 Start Mikhael Ricks TE DET 24 Start Todd Peterson PK PIT 18 Start DAL ST-COWBOYS ST DAL 4 Start CAR OL-PANTHERS OL CAR 11 Start Chad Bratzke DL IND 16 Start GERARD WARREN DL CLE 3 Start Dwight Freeney DL IND Start Joey Porter LB PIT 27 Start Ian Gold LB DEN 4 Start Isai Kacyvenski LB SEA Start Antoine Winfield DB BUF 10 Start Roy Williams DB DAL 5 Start Mike McKenzie DB GB Brett Favre QB GB 23 Antowain Smith RB NE 10 Dorsey Levens RB PHI Javon Walker WR GB 2 Andre Davis WR CLE 1 Chad Lewis TE PHI Paul Edinger PK CHI Adewal Ogunleye DL MIA 10 Jason Ferguson DL NYJ LaVar Arrington LB WAS 24 Warrick Holdman LB CHI Anthony Simmons LB SEA Adrian Wilson DB ARI ------------------------------------------------------------------
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wiggs@work Donor
ID: 447432423 Mon, Oct 14x, 2002, 13:31
derek, looks like you about kicked my ass. Unfortunately the game was decided by my special teams getting negative points and yours blowing up for 48. I will see you again. Good luck this week.
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Nerfherders
ID: 43818813 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 01:47
Some things about scoring Ive been thinking about:
Why do we not get points for offensive players scoring 2-point conversions?
Why do we not get points for Special Teams blocking kicks?
Why do we not get points for defensive players scoring safeties?
These are standard stat categories for football, and I'm wondering if we deliberately left them out of it was just an oversight. It would not be terribly difficult to score previous games if we want to add these stats.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 02:12
Week 6 : Final Results --------------------------------LEAGUE STANDINGS----------------------------------
229 Furious Midget Klingon Horde 240 Long Beach Lightning
209 beebop 237 Sandwich Town Statics
196 Italian Eagles 185 Silent Devils
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Furious Midget Klingon Horde Birds of Prey
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters Long Beach Lightning
Ike44 Italian Eagles
Junkyard Dogs Silent Devils
Art of Monk beebop
Nerfherders Sandwich Town Statics
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------------------TEAM POINT TOTALS------------------
Birds of Prey APerfect10 Derek_35@hotmail.com --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Jay Fiedler QB MIA 2 Start Michael Pittman RB TB 19 Start Charlie Garner RB OAK 14 Start Terrell Owens WR SF 26 Start Rod Gardner WR WAS 8 Start Amani Toomer WR NYG 4 Start Tony Gonzalez TE KC 10 Start Mike Vanderjagt PK IND 29 Start NO ST-SAINTS ST NO 48 Start PIT OL-STEELERS OL PIT 17 Start Leonard Little DL STL 11 Start COURTNEY BROWN DL CLE 5 Start Aaron Schobel DL BUF 4 Start Edgert Hartwell LB BAL 17 Start Shelton Quarles LB TB 16 Start Derrick Brooks LB TB 13 Start William Bartee DB KC 16 Start Deon Grant DB CAR 8 Start Greg Wesley DB KC 0 Trent Green QB KC 23 Kerry Collins QB NYG 11 James Stewart RB DET 7 Larry Centers RB BUF 3 Az-Zahir Hakim WR DET 19 Ron Johnson WR BAL 2 Wesley Walls TE CAR 0 TEN OL-TITANS OL TEN 16 Bobby Hamilton DL NE 24 Jevon Kearse DL TEN Marvin Jones LB NYJ 0 Brian Urlacher LB CHI 0 Rodney Harrison DB SD 18 Jerome Woods DB KC
Junkyard Dogs wiggs --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Mark BRUNELL QB JAC 1 Start LaDai Tomlinson RB SD 29 Start Fred TAYLOR RB JAC 6 Start Ike Hilliard WR NYG 20 Start Isaac Bruce WR STL 18 Start Ed McCaffrey WR DEN 11 Start Camero Cleeland TE NE 0 Start Adam Vinatieri PK NE 7 Start WAS ST-REDSKINS ST WAS -2 Start NO OL-SAINTS OL NO 12 Start Warren Sapp DL TB 23 Start Greg Ellis DL DAL 10 Start Patrick Kerney DL ATL 4 Start Keith Brooking LB ATL 19 Start Peter Boulware LB BAL 16 Start Mo Lewis LB NYJ 0 Start Brock Marion DB MIA 16 Start Champ Bailey DB WAS 5 Start ROBERT GRIFFITH DB CLE 0 Donovan McNabb QB PHI 0 JAMEL WHITE RB CLE 16 James Allen RB HOU 3 Dont Stallworth WR NO 0 David Terrell WR CHI 0 Freddie Jones TE ARI 0 MIN ST-VIKINGS ST MIN 16 Gary Walker DL HOU 11 James Farrior LB PIT 6 Jessie Armstead LB WAS 2 Corey Harris DB GB
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters dgrooves greavd@pikes-rpi.com --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Rich Gannon QB OAK 4 Start Ahman Green RB GB 30 Start Warrick Dunn RB ATL 13 Start Curtis Conway WR SD 21 Start Joe Horn WR NO 18 Start Donald Driver WR GB 7 Start Frank Wycheck TE TEN 7 Start Morten Andersen PK KC 18 Start HOU ST-TEXANS ST HOU 12 Start OAK OL-RAIDERS OL OAK 5 Start John Henderson DL JAC 13 Start Chike Okeafor DL SF 7 Start Micheal Rucker DL CAR 5 Start EARL HOLMES LB CLE 17 Start Derek Smith LB SF 17 Start Ronald McKinnon LB ARI 0 Start Mike Minter DB CAR 20 Start Brian Kelly DB TB 19 Start Reggie Tongue DB SEA 13 Tommy Maddox QB PIT 5 Chad Pennington QB NYJ 0 Stacey MACK RB JAC 0 Curtis Martin RB NYJ 0 Corey Bradford WR HOU 17 Darrell Jackson WR SEA 10 Marti Gramatica PK TB 9 STL ST-RAMS ST STL 20 DEN OL-BRONCOS OL DEN 9 Hugh Douglas DL PHI 0 Rob Fredrickson LB ARI 0 Lawyer Milloy DB NE 12
Ike44 Ike44 , , , , , , , --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Joey Harrington QB DET 21 Start Mike Alstott RB TB 27 Start Corey Dillon RB CIN 14 Start Torry Holt WR STL 18 Start Muhsin Muhammad WR CAR 14 Start Deion Branch WR NE 8 Start Byr Chamberlain TE MIN 15 Start Jeff Wilkins PK STL 8 Start BUF ST-BILLS ST BUF 6 Start KC OL-CHIEFS OL KC 11 Start Darren Howard DL NO 29 Start Justin Smith DL CIN 3 Start Duane Clemons DL KC 2 Start Chris Claiborne LB DET 20 Start Takeo Spikes LB CIN 16 Start Brian Simmons LB CIN 1 Start Jay Bellamy DB NO 30 Start Shaun Williams DB NYG 12 Start Darren Woodson DB DAL 9 Patrick Ramsey QB WAS 12 Kurt Warner QB STL 0 William Green RB CLE 2 Derri Alexander WR MIN 5 Willie Jackson WR ATL 2 Alge Crumpler TE ATL 9 Chris Hovan DL MIN 11 Richard Seymour DL NE 3 Bill Romanowski LB OAK 10 JAMIR MILLER LB CLE Brent Alexander DB PIT 7 Mike Brown DB CHI 0
Italian Eagles IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Peyton Manning QB IND 12 Start Stephen Davis RB WAS 9 Start Edgerrin James RB IND 8 Start Rod Smith WR DEN 17 Start David Patten WR NE 3 Start Antonio Freeman WR GB 0 Start Kyle BRADY TE JAC 0 Start Seba Janikowski PK OAK 13 Start SD ST-CHARGERS ST SD 32 Start MIA OL-DOLPHINS OL MIA 8 Start Kevin Carter DL TEN 19 Start Raylee Johnson DL SD 8 Start Simeon Rice DL TB 5 Start Jamie Sharper LB HOU 19 Start Jason Gildon LB PIT 3 Start Jeremia Trotter LB WAS 3 Start Chad Scott DB PIT 17 Start ANTHONY HENRY DB CLE 11 Start Nate Clements DB BUF 9 Jim Miller QB CHI 0 Moe Williams RB MIN 9 Jonathan Wells RB HOU 7 Antonio Bryant WR DAL 13 Peter Warrick WR CIN 3 Jeremy Shockey TE NYG 0 NYJ ST-JETS ST NYJ 0 John Abraham DL NYJ 0 Phillip Daniels DL CHI 0 DWAYNE RUDD LB CLE 3 Deltha Oneal DB DEN 12 Fred Smoot DB WAS 5
Sandwich Town Statics mike --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Aaron Brooks QB NO 23 Start Travis Henry RB BUF 27 Start Jerome Bettis RB PIT 22 Start Jerry Rice WR OAK 20 Start Jerome Pathon WR NO 3 Start Johnnie Morton WR KC 0 Start Eric Johnson TE SF 0 Start Mike Hollis PK BUF 13 Start PHI ST-EAGLES ST PHI 0 Start GB OL-PACKERS OL GB 18 Start Trevor Pryce DL DEN 29 Start Michael Strahan DL NYG 10 Start Marcellus Wiley DL SD 0 Start Dan Morgan LB CAR 2 Start Jamie Duncan LB STL 0 Start Ray Lewis LB BAL 0 Start Ahmed Plummer DB SF 27 Start Eric Warfield DB KC 24 Start Ronde Barber DB TB 19 TIM COUCH QB CLE 3 Tom Brady QB NE 0 Eddie George RB TEN 28 T.j. Duckett RB ATL 4 Josh Reed WR BUF 3 James Thrash WR PHI 0 Anthony Becht TE NYJ 0 Olindo Mare PK MIA 13 ATL OL-FALCONS OL ATL 8 Sam Cowart LB NYJ 0 Andre Dyson DB TEN 11 R.W McQuarters DB CHI 0
beebop beebop , , , , , , , --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Priest Holmes RB KC 28 Start Marshall Faulk RB STL 27 Start Stevonne Smith WR CAR 7 Start KEVIN JOHNSON WR CLE 3 Start J.J Stokes WR SF 0 Start Shannon Sharpe TE DEN 8 Start Jay Feely PK ATL 9 Start MIA ST-DOLPHINS ST MIA 34 Start SD OL-CHARGERS OL SD 19 Start Brad Scioli DL IND 17 Start Grant Wistrom DL STL 16 Start Roderic Coleman DL OAK 0 Start Marcus Bell LB SEA 12 Start John Mobley LB DEN 10 Start Charlie Clemons LB NO 4 Start Rod Woodson DB OAK 10 Start Rogers Beckett DB SD 4 Start Doug Evans DB SEA 1 Drew Brees QB SD 20 Steve McNair QB TEN 14 Ron Dayne RB NYG 4 Trung Canidate RB STL 0 Marty Booker WR CHI 0 Laveranue Coles WR NYJ 0 David Sloan TE NO 2 David Akers PK PHI 0 ATL ST-FALCONS ST ATL 6 NYG OL-GIANTS OL NYG 9 Shaun Rogers DL DET 7 Rosevelt Colvin LB CHI 0 COREY FULLER DB CLE 6
Silent Devils Silent Devil --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Daunt Culpepper QB MIN 29 Start Michael Bennett RB MIN 23 Start Emmitt Smith RB DAL 6 Start Plaxico Burress WR PIT 22 Start Eric Moulds WR BUF 15 Start Dwayne Bates WR MIN 1 Start Todd Heap TE BAL 9 Start Ryan Longwell PK GB 8 Start TEN ST-TITANS ST TEN 12 Start CHI OL-BEARS OL CHI 0 Start K Gbaja-Biamila DL GB 9 Start Robert Porcher DL DET 3 Start Ky Vanden Bosch DL ARI 0 Start London Fletcher LB BUF 15 Start Nate Wayne LB GB 5 Start Junior Seau LB SD 3 Start Lance Schulters DB TEN 16 Start Ryan McNeil DB SD 9 Start Kwamie Lassiter DB ARI 0 Brian Griese QB DEN 14 Jamie Martin QB STL 0 Troy Hambrick RB DAL 1 Anthony Thomas RB CHI 0 Joey Galloway WR DAL 19 Derrick Mason WR TEN 0 Randy Mcmichael TE MIA 17 Joe Johnson DL GB 0 Mike Barrow LB NYG 19 T.J. SLAUGHTER LB JAC Aeneas Williams DB STL 7 Samari Rolle DB TEN 4
Furious Midget Klingon Horde Doug --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Brad Johnson QB TB 4 Start Tiki Barber RB NYG 8 Start Amos Zereoue RB PIT 8 Start Randy Moss WR MIN 17 Start Keyshaw Johnson WR TB 10 Start Hines Ward WR PIT 8 Start Marcus Pollard TE IND 16 Start John Carney PK NO 21 Start DET ST-LIONS ST DET 10 Start SF OL-NINERS OL SF 16 Start Jason Taylor DL MIA 32 Start Kris Jenkins DL CAR 8 Start KENARD LANG DL CLE 6 Start Mike Peterson LB IND 21 Start Keith Bulluck LB TEN 12 Start Hardy NICKERSON LB GB 2 Start Sammy Knight DB NO 12 Start Donovin DARIUS DB JAC 9 Start Aaron Glenn DB HOU 9 Trent Dilfer QB SEA 7 Michael Vick QB ATL 0 Thomas Jones RB ARI 0 Tyrone Wheatley RB OAK 0 Deshaun Foster RB CAR Troy Brown WR NE 8 Germane Crowell WR DET Itula Mili TE SEA 5 PHIL DAWSON PK CLE 7 Tony BRACKENS DL JAC 6 Michael McCrary DL BAL 0 Wali RAINER LB JAC 22 Kevin Hardy LB DAL 12 Darren Sharper DB GB 0
Art of Monk Art of Monk mboyack@sa.utah.edu --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Rodney Peete QB CAR 9 Start Shaun Alexander RB SEA 21 Start Deuc McAllister RB NO 10 Start Jimmy SMITH WR JAC 8 Start Tim Brown WR OAK 7 Start Keena Mccardell WR TB 1 Start Bubba Franks TE GB 20 Start Jose Cortez PK SF 13 Start OAK ST-RAIDERS ST OAK 6 Start STL OL-RAMS OL STL 16 Start Julius Peppers DL CAR 36 Start Andre Carter DL SF 13 Start Laroi Glover DL DAL 1 Start Chad Brown LB SEA 16 Start Dexter Coakley LB DAL 15 Start Mike Maslowski LB KC 7 Start Adam Archuleta DB STL 26 Start Quentin Jammer DB SD 7 Start Tony Parrish DB SF 6 Quincy Carter QB DAL 17 Kordell Stewart QB PIT 0 Jamal Lewis RB BAL 31 Kevan Barlow RB SF 12 Brian Finneran WR ATL 12 Koren Robinson WR SEA 1 John Hall PK NYJ 0 IND OL-COLTS OL IND 4 Darwin Walker DL PHI 0 Rob Morris LB IND 6 Kendrell Bell LB PIT 0 John Lynch DB TB 9 Reggie Howard DB CAR 0
Nerfherders Jason --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Jeff Garcia QB SF 24 Start Garrison Hearst RB SF 10 Start Lamar Smith RB CAR 9 Start Peerless Price WR BUF 26 Start Eddie Kennison WR KC 3 Start Chris Chambers WR MIA 0 Start Jay Riemersma TE BUF 7 Start Jason Elam PK DEN 31 Start KC ST-CHIEFS ST KC -12 Start MIN OL-VIKINGS OL MIN 13 Start Eric Hicks DL KC 16 Start Kenny Mixon DL MIN 7 Start Rocky Bernard DL SEA 1 Start Donnie Edwards LB SD 20 Start Zach Thomas LB MIA 20 Start Marc Washington LB IND 8 Start Patrick Surtain DB MIA 29 Start Ty Law DB NE 13 Start Dewa Washington DB PIT 12 Jake Plummer QB ARI 0 Duce Staley RB PHI 0 Bill Schroeder WR DET 4 David Boston WR ARI 0 Matt Stover PK BAL 17 NE ST-PATRIOTS ST NE 26 PHI OL-EAGLES OL PHI 0 Seth Payne DL HOU 7 Vonnie Holliday DL GB 0 Eric Barton LB OAK 8 Shawn Barber LB PHI 0 Dat Nguyen LB DAL 0 Brian Dawkins DB PHI 0 Troy Vincent DB PHI 0
Long Beach Lightning Dennis --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Drew Bledsoe QB BUF 16 Start Ricky Williams RB MIA 23 Start Clinton Portis RB DEN 16 Start Marvin Harrison WR IND 27 Start Qadry Ismail WR IND 10 Start Terry Glenn WR GB 4 Start Mikhael Ricks TE DET 24 Start Todd Peterson PK PIT 18 Start DAL ST-COWBOYS ST DAL 4 Start CAR OL-PANTHERS OL CAR 11 Start Chad Bratzke DL IND 16 Start GERARD WARREN DL CLE 3 Start Dwight Freeney DL IND 0 Start Joey Porter LB PIT 27 Start Isai Kacyvenski LB SEA 22 Start Ian Gold LB DEN 4 Start Antoine Winfield DB BUF 10 Start Roy Williams DB DAL 5 Start Mike McKenzie DB GB 0 Brett Favre QB GB 23 Antowain Smith RB NE 10 Dorsey Levens RB PHI 0 Javon Walker WR GB 2 Andre Davis WR CLE 1 Chad Lewis TE PHI 0 Paul Edinger PK CHI 0 Adewal Ogunleye DL MIA 10 Jason Ferguson DL NYJ 0 LaVar Arrington LB WAS 24 Warrick Holdman LB CHI 0 Anthony Simmons LB SEA 0 Adrian Wilson DB ARI 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------
There were A LOT of close games. Please double check your score along with your opponents score. The deadline for filing scoring errors is Wednesday by 6pm EST.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 02:25
Nerf, my only reasoning for leaving those categories out were because they are so infrequent that it wouldnt really have that much of an affect on the overall scoring of the league.
I would never alter the scoring system from any point after the draft up through the last week. Once the season is over, however, I would be open to ideas on improvements for the league. Remind me after the season ;)
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 11:35
I bring it up now because having those out cost me the game this week. I had one blocked kick, and two 2 pointers (Garcia - Hearst). Oh well.
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 11:40
Of course, just about anything cost me the game this week. Reimersma could get 1 more yard, Chambers could not get knocked out of the game by an illegal hit. San Diego could not have kicked one kick-off out of bounds, denying me a return. It feels pretty awful losing by one point after so many players and so many plays. Statistically amazing too. Not that I can do anything about it. I'm pretty much out of the running now, so good luck to Art! I hope he does well in the playoffs. :)
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dgrooves
ID: 454482113 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 12:55
Where can I check pass deflected stats?
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the art of monk
ID: 359111511 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 13:17
Just a question. AP10 I emailed you a request for Ramesy last week. Wondering what happened?
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the art of monk
ID: 359111511 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 13:22
Sorry to double post but I would like to request Bulger, if I don't get ramesy. Drop stewart. I have not had good access to email because I am on the road.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 14:36
Art, I never received your request for Ramsey. Either way it wouldnt have mattered since Ike had #1 priority.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 14:39
dgrooves, use NFL.com to look at their Boxscores (GameStats). To categories such as fumbles forced, pass deflected, etc, click on the players name. Then click on Game Logs.
This makes the final score of my game: Ike44 261 Me 254
I will preface my upcoming comments by saying that I understand and appreciate the work Derek is putting into this league and that I dont hold him responsible for scoring errors.
That said, I find these errors disheartening. This is the first week I have hand-checked my scores and my opponent's scores. I would like to say I strongly agree with Doug's comments in post 30: there should be no protest period for score checking. I am seriously considering going back and checking the scores from all of my games, assuming the scores and outcomes would be changed if discrepancies are found. What does everyone else think?
I for one dont like the idea of having to score by hand every week, but if it must be done to assure a fair game, than I guess I have to live with it.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 15:48
dgrooves, I dont think your calculations are correct. I do think the leagues scoring for your players was corret though...
APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 16:09
I will reiterate this...
There should be little/no scoring errors. I really dont think its necessary to double check/hand score your scores unless if your matchup was extremely close. Within 10 pts or less.
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 17:39
What is the definition of "Tkl" on the players page? I'm seeing discrepencies between this and "solo" tackles
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dgrooves
ID: 454482113 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 18:10
There is nothing wrong with my calculations:
For whatever reason, NFL.com lists Gannonn with only one fumble.
102/15 = 6.8 and unless we are only rounding special teams return yardage, 6.8 becomes 6 and 6 * -2 = -12.
ESPN.com doesnt give Bellamy the fumble recovery, for whatever reason, which is why I didnt include it.
I used NFL.com for fumbles because ESPN.com doenst list them and I used ESPN.com for defensive stats because NFL.com hadnt updated theirs when I checked everything.
I will repeat that this is not an attack of you Derek. It looks like most of the discrepancies were the result of different stats.
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 18:32
I've noticed fumble discrepencies as well. It seems that we are fighting over "fumbles" vs. "fumbles lost". Personally, I think only "fumbles lost" should be counted, because this stat is what we consider an error on the player, as most fumbles not lost are fumbles as the player goes out of bounds, etc. Even a fumble by the QB recovered by the offense is considered a run for play purposes, not considered a change of possesion.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 18:37
dgrooves, you are correct. Your math was right, but your stats you provided were wrong, for whatever reason. It was stated prior to the season that the official source for stats was NFL.com, which makes sense.
Maybe changing fumbles -> fumbles lost next year would be a good idea. Nothing can change during the season.
ps. Post 79 has determined to be false and I'm unsure why dgrooves will not delete it. False allegations only leads to jumpiness and is not needed.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 18:40
PLEASE If you find, what you believe to be, an incorrect scoring decision, contact me first! After I review your scoring error, and it is accurate, I will post the changes made in this forum.
Posting in the forum before I can look at it leads to people getting into a frenzy before I can even view the errors, to make sure they are correct.
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dgrooves
ID: 454482113 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 18:57
AP10, what is false? Why should I delete it? I made no allegations and made no personal attacks. What is so controversial in that post that it must be erased so no one will read it and this badly of you, even though I have said twice now that you are not at fault?
NFL.com only lists Gannon as fumbling once, even though it was a fumble lost. NFL.com does list fumbles that are not lost but do not credit Gannon with any of those.
Also, you didnt address the ST-Texans issue. We both have the same stats but there is nothing wrong with my calculations.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 19:08
dgrooves, I'm not saying there were personal attacks, because there werent. What I am saying is that there is no need for the league to view individual scoring errors unless if they are correct. Your official scoring was correct, the scoring error you reported was incorrect, because of using different sources.
** It shouldnt matter if its ceiling or floor, its identical for the league. If its ceiling leave the scores the same, if its floor, subtract 2 from each ST unit in the league.
Why are we rounding up return yards and rounding down every other type of yardage?
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 19:19
Who knows, doesnt make much sense. lol.
In all reality, it should be rounded down, but since every team gets and gives up some return yardage it doesnt matter.
If you round down, just subtract 2 pts from each of the special teams scoring. Same difference.
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 19:43
I would like to start a discussion about scoring and what we would like to show with the scoring. I'm specifically talking about special teams and offensive line. Now, it is unusual to have these 'players' in a league, and the scoring system is ok, but I think it could better reflect the skill of the teams in question.
Special Teams:
What I am finding with special teams, is that the excellence of the special teams is being overshadowed by the APPEARANCE of the special teams. Basically, a bad defense = good special teams under this format, because they get alot of kickoffs, and the majority of points are from kickoff yards. I think a better approach would be to concentrate more on the average yards per return. So, we could use the same scoring format for yards, but subtract/add returns as a modifier to getting yards merely from just being really bad at stopping the other team from scoring.
Here are two examples. This is from the Pittsburgh - Cincinatti game. Bad defense vs. good special teams.
Cinc: 7-126, 1 i20. Pitt: 2-97, 1 TD Under the current system this nets 8 points. But the Bungles recieved 6 kickoffs while sending off only 1, which was returned 99 yards for a TD.
Conversely, the Steelers also net 8 points from this game, even though they got only 2 chances to return kicks. Without the touchdown, it would be only 2.
Under the scoring system I propose, the number of returns would be subtracted from return yards, and added to yards allowed. This puts the scores much more in line with the actual performance of the special teams themselves, and not so much on the offense or defense giving them opportunities.
Similarly, I think that O-line points should be scored more on yards per run than just running yards. Though I do not think the scoring is as 'broken' here as it is in special teams. The system I propose uses 3 yards per run as the zero line:
(yards gained/3) - runs, - sacks. (take out TD's)
Big time running teams are going to get alot of points in this system, and bring them more in line with the top scorers of other positions. Using the same game as an example, let's look at the Bungles vs. the Steelers running games:
I havent tested this for season's worth of games, but I want to know what ya'll think of these scoring systems, and perhaps implement them for next year.
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mike
ID: 379351520 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 22:41
hey derek one thing
in the list up top you've got my special teams at philly but I dropped them for pitt this week and it shows on my roster on the page
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 23:45
Hmm, interesting. Must have copied it wrong into my software. I'll get that fixed for you and see if it affects your outcome.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 00:02
One more thing about ST scoring. I round to the nearest multiple of 2 (ceiling of 2) which is equivalent of saying, that the rounding happens before multiplying by 2.
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dgrooves
ID: 454482113 Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 10:31
Add John Davis - TE - Chi
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 15:41
One Change To Scoring Accidentally included the Eagles ST in Mikes scoring when he clearly dropped them last weeek for Pittsburgh. This change doesnt affect any matchup outcomes...
209 beebop 245 Sandwich Town Statics
Sandwich Town Statics mike --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Aaron Brooks QB NO 23 Start Travis Henry RB BUF 27 Start Jerome Bettis RB PIT 22 Start Jerry Rice WR OAK 20 Start Jerome Pathon WR NO 3 Start Johnnie Morton WR KC 0 Start Eric Johnson TE SF 0 Start Mike Hollis PK BUF 13 Start PIT ST-STEELERS ST PIT 8 Start GB OL-PACKERS OL GB 18 Start Trevor Pryce DL DEN 29 Start Michael Strahan DL NYG 10 Start Marcellus Wiley DL SD 0 Start Dan Morgan LB CAR 2 Start Jamie Duncan LB STL 0 Start Ray Lewis LB BAL 0 Start Ahmed Plummer DB SF 27 Start Eric Warfield DB KC 24 Start Ronde Barber DB TB 19 TIM COUCH QB CLE 3 Tom Brady QB NE 0 Eddie George RB TEN 28 T.j. Duckett RB ATL 4 Josh Reed WR BUF 3 James Thrash WR PHI 0 Anthony Becht TE NYJ 0 Olindo Mare PK MIA 13 ATL OL-FALCONS OL ATL 8 Sam Cowart LB NYJ 0 Andre Dyson DB TEN 11 R.W McQuarters DB CHI 0
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beebop
ID: 33911150 Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 21:52
Damn....why couldnt they have gotten minus 50??? lol j/k :)
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IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621 Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 22:17
what's up with silent? he had 3 spots filled with players on bye week.....is he still between us or are we playing with a ghost? i really hope it has been just a casuality.....silent, are you still there?;-)
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 00:48
LAZIO, you will know when/if a player leaves since each person has to set their starting lineups each week. If they dont, they go invalid. I looked 10 minutes prior to the lineup deadline and Silent was the only one who didnt have his set yet. I'm sure he was just busy and had to last minute set his team...
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 21:22
For the Record I am activating Rodney Harrison and sending Jevon Kearse to the IR. For some reason, I cant activate Rodney Harrison, however.
Anyways, my roster will be one player short at DB this week on the site. Rodney Harrison will be starting in that spot, even though the leagues website will not show it.
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Doug Sustainer
ID: 3411223 Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 07:34
Hmm... hasn't Harrison been active since week 4? And if so, wouldn't that mean that your roster was illegal on weeks 5 and 6 since you had not yet removed him from your IR?
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 12:05
Doug, go to this thread.
The Hardcore 'Fantasy Football' Keeper League VI
Search for IR.
It clearly states when you can add a player to IR but it doesnt state when you have to remove him, similar to Yahoo!
"Additionally, if a player on your roster misses an entire game, he may be placed on injured reserve (with a maximum of two players on IR per team). Once that player returns to action (by participating in so much as a single play in a game) he must be removed from the IR prior to the following week's roster freeze."
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 13:47
Hmm, I didnt realize that was placed on that rules page...
When I modified the IR in thread VI, I didnt state you had to remove an IR player from your IR slot once active because I knew the software couldnt handle it.
I havent enforced this throughout the league all year including myself. I did however, try to activate Harrison two weeks ago and it wouldnt let me so I just forgot about it. Either way, I have Kearse who would've been placed on the IR.
Secondly, consequences for such actions were never determined, therefore I find it hard to determine a consequence now once the unrealized rule was broken. Since I havent enforced this, how do I go back and check each and every injury and the time they were removed from the IR?
No clue.
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IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621 Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 17:09
what's up guys? 3 lineups missing......why?
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beebop
ID: 09361717 Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 22:54
I sure hope that the 66 points for my OL is correct....lol.....i think that would be a new record for this season??? Im very surprised with some of my players today. Sharpe set a new TE record for points in a game aswell....
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Doug Sustainer
ID: 3411223 Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 18:39
I don't know how you go back and check "each and every" injury since I don't know if the site keeps a full- season transaction history for IR moves (but have there really been that many?)... if this info is in fact available, it would probably take less time than hand checking my team's score for the week. As for myself I've had Crowell and Foster on IR all season and that's it. Crowell finally played a game this weekend, so I would like to bring him off of IR and moving Tony Brackens to IR in his place before next weekend's games. The only way I can figure to do this is to drop a player before making the moves and then have Derek move the dropped player back onto my roster once the moves are complete... do you want to just handle this yourself Derek, or should I input these moves (except for the 're-add' which you'll need to do)?
Also, just so we're clear moving forward, are we going to be disregarding the rule this season that you need to bring players off of IR when they play a game? Or if are we going to enforce it, what will the penalty be?
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 18:52
That's a pretty tough rule to enforce. Ive never used it myself. In baseball, You have to have a reason to put a guy on DL, but you can leave him there indefinitely. The penalty of course is that if he is on the DL, he cant be used. So keeping a good player on the IR doesnt really benefit the manager unless he wants to horde players. I dont see that happening here.
On another note, what's with the three invalid rosters this week? What happens if two teams facing eachother have invalid rosters?
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beebop
ID: 09361717 Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 19:16
Maybe our first ever tie???!!!
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 02:52
I personally feel you should be able to leave a player on IR as long as you want. You only have 2 IR slots allowed and the player pool isnt as deep (as say the 20 team Gurupie league) therefore I dont think hording players comes into play. I would rather, eliminate the reactivation rule, not only do I think it isnt needed, it creates more work. I'll let the league decide on this one. Input please.
Yes, there were 3 invalid rosters this week. Silent Devils has been fairly inactive all season, even though this is his first week not setting a lineup. His actions are being noted, and will be dealt with at the end of the season. Ike, well, he had an excuse, trust me, I wont let him do it again! ;) wiggs claims he set his lineup but I'm not 100% sure it was submitted accurately because I receive a notice each time a lineup is set/changed. I never recieved one for him.
2 rosters with 0 players starting = 0 pts for each team which does result in a tie.
PS, I will not be able to post the official results until Tuesday night which will then extend the discrepency deadline until Thursday.
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Nerfherders
ID: 43818813 Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 03:16
I'm uncertain that 2 teams with unset rosters should be given a tie. Unset rosters should be deemed as a forfeit, and thus given a loss. It's possible, however unlikely, that collusion could take place if unset rosters would result in a tie.
Let's say that after week 12 two teams are playing for the last two playoff spots at 8-4. They are battling with a third team that is 6-6. Those 8-4 teams are facing eachother in week 13. Who's to stop the two teams from not setting rosters, taking a tie, and ensuring themselves of a playoff spot? I know it's a stretch, but stranger things have happened.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 02:51
242 Furious Midget Klingon Horde 212 Birds of Prey
236 Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters 181 Long Beach Lightning
0 Ike44 217 Italian Eagles
0 Junkyard Dogs 0 Silent Devils
272 Art of Monk 335 beebop
271 Nerfherders 194 Sandwich Town Statics
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Birds of Prey Silent Devils
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters beebop
Ike44 Nerfherders
Junkyard Dogs Furious Midget Klingon Horde
Art of Monk Sandwich Town Statics
Long Beach Lightning Italian Eagles
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Birds of Prey APerfect10 Derek_35@hotmail.com --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Trent Green QB KC 7 Start Charlie Garner RB OAK 17 Start Michael Pittman RB TB 6 Start Terrell Owens WR SF 16 Start Rod Gardner WR WAS 6 Start Az-Zahir Hakim WR DET 2 Start Tony Gonzalez TE KC 16 Start Mike Vanderjagt PK IND 8 Start NO ST-SAINTS ST NO 10 Start PIT OL-STEELERS OL PIT 19 Start Leonard Little DL STL 17 Start Aaron Schobel DL BUF 10 Start COURTNEY BROWN DL CLE 4 Start Derrick Brooks LB TB 17 Start Edgert Hartwell LB BAL 14 Start Brian Urlacher LB CHI 14 Start Edward Reed DB BAL 17 Start Rodney Harrison DB SD 8 Start Deon Grant DB CAR 4 Kerry Collins QB NYG 0 Jay Fiedler QB MIA 0 James Stewart RB DET 33 Larry Centers RB BUF 10 Ron Johnson WR BAL 5 Amani Toomer WR NYG 0 Wesley Walls TE CAR 5 Bobby Hamilton DL NE 0 Jevon Kearse DL TEN Shelton Quarles LB TB 14 Marvin Jones LB NYJ 12 William Bartee DB KC 4 Greg Wesley DB KC 0 Jerome Woods DB KC
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters dgrooves greavd@pikes-rpi.com --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Rich Gannon QB OAK 30 Start Ahman Green RB GB 27 Start Curtis Martin RB NYJ 19 Start Joe Horn WR NO 27 Start Curtis Conway WR SD 10 Start Donald Driver WR GB 8 Start John Davis TE CHI 3 Start Morten Andersen PK KC 19 Start STL ST-RAMS ST STL -24 Start DEN OL-BRONCOS OL DEN 17 Start John Henderson DL JAC 18 Start Hugh Douglas DL PHI 2 Start Micheal Rucker DL CAR 2 Start Derek Smith LB SF 11 Start Rob Fredrickson LB ARI 9 Start EARL HOLMES LB CLE 3 Start Brian Kelly DB TB 27 Start Reggie Tongue DB SEA 18 Start Mike Minter DB CAR 10 Chad Pennington QB NYJ 18 Warrick Dunn RB ATL 1 Stacey MACK RB JAC 0 Darrell Jackson WR SEA 0 Frank Wycheck TE TEN 0 Marti Gramatica PK TB 8 HOU ST-TEXANS ST HOU 0 OAK OL-RAIDERS OL OAK 8 Chike Okeafor DL SF 8 Ronald McKinnon LB ARI 12 Lawyer Milloy DB NE 0
Junkyard Dogs wiggs --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Donovan McNabb QB PHI 11 Mark BRUNELL QB JAC -2 Fred TAYLOR RB JAC 33 LaDai Tomlinson RB SD 31 JAMEL WHITE RB CLE 20 James Allen RB HOU 13 Isaac Bruce WR STL 10 Ed McCaffrey WR DEN 1 Ike Hilliard WR NYG 0 Dont Stallworth WR NO 0 David Terrell WR CHI 0 Freddie Jones TE ARI 2 Camero Cleeland TE NE 0 Billy Cundiff PK DAL 0 Adam Vinatieri PK NE 0 MIN ST-VIKINGS ST MIN 22 NO OL-SAINTS OL NO 17 Patrick Kerney DL ATL 28 Warren Sapp DL TB 12 Greg Ellis DL DAL 11 Gary Walker DL HOU 11 Peter Boulware LB BAL 22 Mo Lewis LB NYJ 21 James Farrior LB PIT 17 Jessie Armstead LB WAS 14 Keith Brooking LB ATL 10 Brock Marion DB MIA 9 Champ Bailey DB WAS 8 ROBERT GRIFFITH DB CLE 0 Corey Harris DB GB
Ike44 Ike44 , , , , , , , --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Joey Harrington QB DET 4 Kurt Warner QB STL 0 Patrick Ramsey QB WAS -10 William Green RB CLE 8 Mike Alstott RB TB 3 Corey Dillon RB CIN 0 Torry Holt WR STL 10 Willie Jackson WR ATL 6 Derri Alexander WR MIN 4 Muhsin Muhammad WR CAR 4 Deion Branch WR NE 0 Byr Chamberlain TE MIN 13 Alge Crumpler TE ATL 9 Jeff Wilkins PK STL 25 BUF ST-BILLS ST BUF -12 KC OL-CHIEFS OL KC 15 Darren Howard DL NO 13 Chris Hovan DL MIN 3 Duane Clemons DL KC 0 Richard Seymour DL NE 0 Justin Smith DL CIN 0 Chris Claiborne LB DET 11 Bill Romanowski LB OAK 8 Brian Simmons LB CIN 0 Takeo Spikes LB CIN 0 JAMIR MILLER LB CLE Brent Alexander DB PIT 33 Mike Brown DB CHI 16 Darren Woodson DB DAL 16 Jay Bellamy DB NO 12 Shaun Williams DB NYG 0
Italian Eagles IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Peyton Manning QB IND 10 Start Moe Williams RB MIN 14 Start Stephen Davis RB WAS 9 Start Antonio Bryant WR DAL 18 Start Rod Smith WR DEN 16 Start Antonio Freeman WR GB 0 Start Kyle BRADY TE JAC 11 Start Seba Janikowski PK OAK 6 Start NYJ ST-JETS ST NYJ -10 Start MIA OL-DOLPHINS OL MIA 13 Start Simeon Rice DL TB 22 Start Raylee Johnson DL SD 9 Start John Abraham DL NYJ 8 Start Jamie Sharper LB HOU 19 Start Jason Gildon LB PIT 6 Start DWAYNE RUDD LB CLE 4 Start Nate Clements DB BUF 44 Start Deltha Oneal DB DEN 10 Start ANTHONY HENRY DB CLE 8 Jim Miller QB CHI 0 Edgerrin James RB IND 25 Jonathan Wells RB HOU 5 David Patten WR NE 0 Peter Warrick WR CIN 0 Jeremy Shockey TE NYG 0 SD ST-CHARGERS ST SD 14 Phillip Daniels DL CHI 4 Kevin Carter DL TEN 0 Jeremia Trotter LB WAS 19 Chad Scott DB PIT 13 Fred Smoot DB WAS 10
beebop beebop , , , , , , , --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Drew Brees QB SD 24 Start Marshall Faulk RB STL 54 Start Priest Holmes RB KC 39 Start Laveranue Coles WR NYJ 20 Start Marty Booker WR CHI 8 Start KEVIN JOHNSON WR CLE 6 Start Shannon Sharpe TE DEN 66 Start David Akers PK PHI 14 Start ATL ST-FALCONS ST ATL 0 Start SD OL-CHARGERS OL SD 17 Start Brad Scioli DL IND 10 Start Grady Jackson DL NO 8 Start Grant Wistrom DL STL 3 Start Rosevelt Colvin LB CHI 19 Start Marcus Bell LB SEA 16 Start Charlie Clemons LB NO 0 Start Rod Woodson DB OAK 13 Start Alex Molden DB SD 10 Start Jason Webster DB SF 8 Steve McNair QB TEN 0 Trung Canidate RB STL 0 Ron Dayne RB NYG 0 Stevonne Smith WR CAR 3 David Sloan TE NO 0 Jay Feely PK ATL 24 MIA ST-DOLPHINS ST MIA 32 NYG OL-GIANTS OL NYG 0 Roderic Coleman DL OAK 3 Shaun Rogers DL DET 3 John Mobley LB DEN 6 Rogers Beckett DB SD 6
Sandwich Town Statics mike --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Aaron Brooks QB NO 36 Start Jerome Bettis RB PIT 16 Start Travis Henry RB BUF 14 Start Jerry Rice WR OAK 23 Start James Thrash WR PHI 3 Start Josh Reed WR BUF 1 Start Anthony Becht TE NYJ -3 Start Mike Hollis PK BUF 20 Start PIT ST-STEELERS ST PIT -2 Start GB OL-PACKERS OL GB 10 Start Trevor Pryce DL DEN 18 Start Pat Williams DL BUF 17 Start Marcellus Wiley DL SD 0 Start Sam Cowart LB NYJ 13 Start Jamie Duncan LB STL 6 Start Ray Lewis LB BAL 0 Start Ronde Barber DB TB 13 Start Ahmed Plummer DB SF 9 TIM COUCH QB CLE 11 Tom Brady QB NE 0 T.j. Duckett RB ATL 17 Eddie George RB TEN 0 Jerome Pathon WR NO 9 Johnnie Morton WR KC 5 Eric Johnson TE SF 6 Olindo Mare PK MIA 8 ATL OL-FALCONS OL ATL 18 Michael Strahan DL NYG 0 Dan Morgan LB CAR 0 Eric Warfield DB KC 12 Andre Dyson DB TEN 0 R.W McQuarters DB CHI 0
Silent Devils Silent Devil --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Brian Griese QB DEN 28 Daunt Culpepper QB MIN 4 Jamie Martin QB STL 0 Anthony Thomas RB CHI 9 Emmitt Smith RB DAL 8 Troy Hambrick RB DAL 5 Michael Bennett RB MIN 2 Eric Moulds WR BUF 17 Dwayne Bates WR MIN 14 Plaxico Burress WR PIT 13 Joey Galloway WR DAL 6 Derrick Mason WR TEN 0 Todd Heap TE BAL 23 Randy Mcmichael TE MIA 16 Ryan Longwell PK GB 21 TEN ST-TITANS ST TEN 0 CHI OL-BEARS OL CHI 7 K Gbaja-Biamila DL GB 33 Robert Porcher DL DET 8 Joe Johnson DL GB 0 Ky Vanden Bosch DL ARI 0 Nate Wayne LB GB 38 London Fletcher LB BUF 14 T.J. SLAUGHTER LB JAC 8 Mike Barrow LB NYG 0 Junior Seau LB SD 0 Aeneas Williams DB STL 12 Ryan McNeil DB SD 8 Kwamie Lassiter DB ARI 7 Samari Rolle DB TEN 0 Lance Schulters DB TEN 0
Furious Midget Klingon Horde Doug --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Trent Dilfer QB SEA 6 Start Amos Zereoue RB PIT 8 Start Thomas Jones RB ARI 7 Start Hines Ward WR PIT 24 Start Randy Moss WR MIN 12 Start Keyshaw Johnson WR TB 6 Start Marcus Pollard TE IND 22 Start John Carney PK NO 19 Start DET ST-LIONS ST DET 8 Start SF OL-NINERS OL SF 17 Start KENARD LANG DL CLE 22 Start Kris Jenkins DL CAR 4 Start Jason Taylor DL MIA 4 Start Mike Peterson LB IND 22 Start Wali RAINER LB JAC 18 Start Hardy NICKERSON LB GB 13 Start Donovin DARIUS DB JAC 16 Start Sammy Knight DB NO 14 Start Darren Sharper DB GB 0 Michael Vick QB ATL 22 Brad Johnson QB TB -2 Tiki Barber RB NYG 0 Tyrone Wheatley RB OAK 0 Deshaun Foster RB CAR Germane Crowell WR DET 4 Troy Brown WR NE 0 Itula Mili TE SEA 3 PHIL DAWSON PK CLE 19 Tony BRACKENS DL JAC 0 Michael McCrary DL BAL 0 Kevin Hardy LB DAL 14 Keith Bulluck LB TEN 0 Aaron Glenn DB HOU 6
Art of Monk Art of Monk mboyack@sa.utah.edu --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Marc Bulger QB STL 13 Start Deuc McAllister RB NO 27 Start Shaun Alexander RB SEA 5 Start Tim Brown WR OAK 14 Start Jimmy SMITH WR JAC 13 Start Keena Mccardell WR TB 8 Start Bubba Franks TE GB 6 Start Jose Cortez PK SF 16 Start OAK ST-RAIDERS ST OAK 6 Start STL OL-RAMS OL STL 19 Start Darwin Walker DL PHI 15 Start Julius Peppers DL CAR 12 Start Laroi Glover DL DAL 9 Start Mike Maslowski LB KC 27 Start Dexter Coakley LB DAL 23 Start Chad Brown LB SEA 15 Start Quentin Jammer DB SD 17 Start Adam Archuleta DB STL 14 Start Tony Parrish DB SF 13 Quincy Carter QB DAL 0 Rodney Peete QB CAR 0 Jamal Lewis RB BAL 10 Kevan Barlow RB SF 6 Koren Robinson WR SEA 25 Brian Finneran WR ATL 0 IND OL-COLTS OL IND 7 Andre Carter DL SF 14 Rob Morris LB IND 9 Kendrell Bell LB PIT 7 John Lynch DB TB 15 Reggie Howard DB CAR 0
Nerfherders Jason --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Jeff Garcia QB SF 16 Start Garrison Hearst RB SF 28 Start Lamar Smith RB CAR 3 Start David Boston WR ARI 17 Start Peerless Price WR BUF 6 Start Chris Chambers WR MIA 0 Start Jay Riemersma TE BUF 3 Start Jason Elam PK DEN 22 Start KC ST-CHIEFS ST KC 24 Start MIN OL-VIKINGS OL MIN 11 Start Kenny Mixon DL MIN 17 Start Eric Hicks DL KC 13 Start Jeff Zgonina DL STL 2 Start Donnie Edwards LB SD 30 Start Zach Thomas LB MIA 28 Start Shawn Barber LB PHI 16 Start Brian Dawkins DB PHI 19 Start Troy Vincent DB PHI 9 Start Patrick Surtain DB MIA 7 Jake Plummer QB ARI 13 Duce Staley RB PHI 18 Eddie Kennison WR KC 7 Bill Schroeder WR DET 0 Matt Stover PK BAL 9 NE ST-PATRIOTS ST NE 0 PHI OL-EAGLES OL PHI 15 Seth Payne DL HOU 8 Vonnie Holliday DL GB 0 Eric Barton LB OAK 31 Marc Washington LB IND 5 Dat Nguyen LB DAL 0 Dewa Washington DB PIT 7 Ty Law DB NE 0
Long Beach Lightning Dennis --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Brett Favre QB GB 0 Start Clinton Portis RB DEN 14 Start Ricky Williams RB MIA 12 Start Marvin Harrison WR IND 15 Start Qadry Ismail WR IND 5 Start Terry Glenn WR GB 2 Start Chad Lewis TE PHI 0 Start Paul Edinger PK CHI 17 Start DAL ST-COWBOYS ST DAL 0 Start CAR OL-PANTHERS OL CAR 6 Start Chad Bratzke DL IND 4 Start Jason Ferguson DL NYJ 3 Start Adewal Ogunleye DL MIA 1 Start LaVar Arrington LB WAS 27 Start Isai Kacyvenski LB SEA 9 Start Joey Porter LB PIT 8 Start Adrian Wilson DB ARI 47 Start Gary Baxter DB BAL 11 Start Antoine Winfield DB BUF 0 Drew Bledsoe QB BUF 13 Dorsey Levens RB PHI 6 Antowain Smith RB NE 0 Javon Walker WR GB 3 Andre Davis WR CLE 1 Mikhael Ricks TE DET 0 Todd Peterson PK PIT 8 Dwight Freeney DL IND 8 GERARD WARREN DL CLE 4 Ian Gold LB DEN 18 Warrick Holdman LB CHI 0 Anthony Simmons LB SEA 0 Roy Williams DB DAL 22 Mike McKenzie DB GB 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------
You have Until Thursday at 6pm EST to file any scoring discrepencies.
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 11:34
Hmm this fumble thing is really getting bizarre. How does a player (A. Becht) get credit for a fumble if he didnt get an offensive touch? Doesnt a player have to have a run, or a catch to get a fumble? His player page gives him no credit for a fumble. I'd like to get a distinct explanation for what a fumble is in this league, as well as where to find the 'official' source for fumbles.
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wiggs@work Donor
ID: 447432423 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 11:39
This is BS, I know it isnt your fault ap10, but i submitted a line up and it didnt register.
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 13:05
Oh look I found it! I had to go to the game's play by play to find A. Becht's apparent 'fumble'.
D.Brien kicks onside 10 yards from MIN 30 to MIN 40. A.Becht MUFFS catch ball out of bounds at MIN 40.
Raise your hands of you think THIS is a fumble.
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dgrooves
ID: 454482113 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 13:25
Mine is down. I think that we should change fumbles to fumbles lost for next year's season.
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Farn Donor
ID: 4921123 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 14:00
I'm going to disagree with changing fumbles to fumbles lost.
The player only has control of if he funbles the ball or not. If that fumble goes out of bounds, its basically luck. If someone on his team recovers the ball, its out of that players control and is basically luck or not if it is recovered.
Anyways, while I dont know exactly what happened with Becht, therefore I cant determine if it was a fumble or not. Apparently the official scorer ruled it a fumble. I think your problem is with the official scorer, not the league.
What happens if Becht fumbles that ball, it doesnt go out of bounds and the other team recovers? Either way, Becht should've had the ball. Once he loses that ball, its his fault. If its recovered by his team, thats all good, but its still a negative on Becht.
wiggs, I dont know what to tell you. There is nothing that I can do. I can promise you that your roster was never submitted properly. If your roster was submitted incorrectly, the message will state so. I'm going to assume, you didnt read the popup message once submitting your lineup. Either way, you could've easily looked to see if your lineup submitted properly or not by viewing the matchup page.
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dgrooves
ID: 454482113 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 14:43
AP10, whats with the new name?
Anyway, the way I see, the only time a fumble will hurt a player's team is if he loses it. And what about the times a player fumbles then recovers it himself? He's got "control" over both those actions, yet he loses points for them.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 15:40
lol, I had to copy over Farns post in our basketball league thread and forgot to change my name back. Sorry about that guys.
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The Art of Monk
ID: 5922315 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 17:02
I am trying to pickup Shane Matthews and it won't let me unitl pette is placed on the IR. Thanks
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mike
ID: 359362315 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 17:46
roster clean up stuff, not sure if some stuff went through or not
-I dropped Dyson last week but he's still on my roster -I tried to put Dan Morgan on the IR but not sure if it got processed
any transaction list this week yet?
thanks all
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 18:28
Without being able to see the play, I can only guess as to what happened. I assume that since it was an onside kick, Becht knocked the ball out of bounds to keep it from being possesed by the Vikings. Officially, this is a muff, which is also a fumble, but in this case it's actually HELPING his team. My view on fumbles is "no harm, no foul". See post 84.
I'm thankful that we do not keep stats on kick returners. How many times do they 'fumble' a kick, and then pick it up and run with it, or just fall on it. No big deal eh? But we would see -3's all over the place.
This also brings up another issue. Defensive players do not get credit for tackles on special teams? They do not get credit for touchdowns that arent on defense. ( I know this because I did not get credit for one.) Then why should offensive players get credit for ANYTHING they do on special teams? This would include fumbles, muffs, tackles, touchdowns, or whatever else.
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 18:38
I want to apologize if my posts seem to be picking apart every aspect of the league. That's not my intention. What I want to do is bring some of the discrepencies I see to the table for discussion, whether they be scoring systems, or what stats are scored. Unlike baseball, football does not lend itself as well to statistics. So many different things can happen in a football play that can have drastic affects on a fantasy system this complex.
I get the feeling nobody really cares one way or another, but at least my thoughts are written down for posterity. heh.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 22:11
Nerf, while I disagree about changing fumbles to fumbles lost, I would agree that ST shouldnt count for fumbles, if you cant score positive pts.
Basically it isnt my choice however. I input I want fumbles to count as -3 and then every player who is counted for a fumble, gets -3 pts. If anyone is credited for a fumble on ST in the future, I would be willing to manually go in and change that scoring. I would do it in your case, but it would make no difference for the outcome...
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 12:56
Heh, he isnt even my guy. He's my opponent's guy. I was just trying to figure out what happened there because I know Becht didnt have any touches. I'm just trying sort out all the weird things that are going on from time to time.
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wiggs@apartment Donor
ID: 11032171 Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 00:00
derek, why is a tie counting as a loss on the standings?
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 01:05
wiggs, because Nerfherders had some very good points as to why, 2 rosters that are not set, should not result in a tie, rather a loss for both teams. Read his post, #112
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Art of Monk
ID: 395332017 Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 19:51
My request for Matthews didn't go through? Wondering what happened? I need a QB? Anyone from the International want to trade me QB since I am playing Sandwhich. I have been super busy maybe expect some trade offers tonite or give me an email.
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mike
ID: 37933267 Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 09:39
yeah my claim didn't go through and now I can't get my starters in, so here goes
Assuming my claim on Bradford goes through, Id like him added to my starting lineup. when he's put on my team. Thanks.
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Art of Monk
ID: 127392513 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 00:30
For some reason, I can't set my lineup so I will do it here as well. I would like to start Matthews at QB(I made the request on Weds)if not Carter Deuce and Alexander at RB Tim Brown, J. Smith, and K. Robinson at WR Franks at TE Colts at OL Peppers,Glover, Walker at DE Maslowski, Brown, Coakley at LB Parrish, Lynch, Howard at DB Raiders Special Teams Cortez as the Kicker Thanks
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 03:56
Weird. I cant set my lineup either but it appears some teams have been able to.
Trent Green Charlie Garner Larry Centers Rod Gardner Terrell Owens Amani Toomer Tony Gonzalez OL-Steelers Courtney Brown Bobby Hamilton Leonard Little Derrick Brooks Brian Urlacher Edgerton Hartwell Rodney Harrison Edward Reed Deon Grant ST-Saints Mike Vanderjagt
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dgrooves
ID: 454482113 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 10:16
It looks like the teams that didnt submit rosters last week also didnt submit them this week. Is this a problem we now need to address?
APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 13:24
dgrooves, the only repeat offender, appears to be Silent Devils. Not only has he not submitted a lineup the past 2 weeks, he has yet to manage this team. Action will need to be taken. Luckily, I have never had to deal with a problem like this, but something must be done.
I think the best idea would be for me, the commish to take over the team so it doesnt completely go to crap. I will probably retool his roster, and submit a starting lineup each and every week. It would be impossible for him to make the playoffs, so that shouldnt be a concern. After the season, we will then need to find a quality manager who would either a) be willing to take over SD's team or b) completely wash SD's team, and have an expansion type draft.
Any thoughts or ideas?
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dgrooves
ID: 454482113 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 14:59
I agree that someone should take over his team, but Id like to see us get someone from outside the league to fill the place as soon as possible. If nothing else, trades with his team would involve two parties, each with only one stake (team) in the league. I am not saying that you (AP10) would collude or anything like that, but I think its best if the person making add, drop, and trade decisions is the person who will be owning the team.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 15:06
dgrooves, that would be great, if we could find another manager to take over his team this year but...who would want to take over a team that is 1-7 and is rather pathetic. I think, the only way we'll be able to find another manager is if we have an expansion type draft.
If it comes down to it, I would rather overtake the team, than have it sit around and rot anymore. Atleast a temporary overtake. If I overtook the team, I would post every move in the forum, and if 50% of the league objected, I wouldnt make the move. A checks and balance type of system. Anyways, I think I will send SD his notice this week and I will send out an email to the league, asking what everyone feels should be done.
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dgrooves
ID: 454482113 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 15:33
AP10, I have no problem with you taking over the team until we find a new manager, but I would rather try to find one starting now than wait until the end of the season. Sure, we may not find one until then, but what is the harm in trying?
I dont like the idea of an expansion draft. The keeper system and the draft we will have before next year's season starts will give the new owner enough talent to compete in the league. There are good players on SD's team, at least enough to max out our keeper requirements, if the owner chooses to do so.
I refuse to lose top players from my team in an expansion draft because SD decided to drop out.
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Nerfherders
ID: 43818813 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 15:33
Great, I feel pretty bad now. That one win was over me!
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 15:56
If I become interim manager, there will be no trades made with the team. Trades are too opinionated.
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IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 18:48
let me say that silent is a crappy pot of sh!t. he assumed he had a crappy team so he gave up..... well i really hope to never be in a league with him again. poor puppy.
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dwfffan
ID: 69342513 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 19:45
I have 2 buddies that showed alot of interest in this league, I will ask tomorrow and see if one is willing to take over. Is that ok with all?
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 20:03
dwfffan, yeah, that would be great, if you can vouch that they will be good managers. Also, they will need to understand what team they will be taking over, and while this season is basically a wash, next season they will have a solid team to compete.
Silent Devils projected Keepers 4 of the following 6 Daunte Culpepper Anthony Thomas Plaxico Burress Eric Moulds Todd Heap Randy McMichael
4 of the following 6 Ryan Longwell (currently ranked 2nd among kickers) Gbaja-Biamila Nate Wayne Junior Seau Kwamie Lassiter Samari Rolle
So his team will have a very solid nucleus for next year.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Mon, Oct 28, 2002, 03:48
All starting rosters for week 8 have been added and posted on the leagues website.
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Art of Monk
ID: 395332017 Mon, Oct 28, 2002, 18:14
Thanks for all of your hard work AP10.
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Nerfherders
ID: 43818813 Mon, Oct 28, 2002, 21:32
I dont mind Ap10 taking over SD's team until we find someone to fill in. I just wish he hadn't set his lineup for me. I could use that win! :)
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Tue, Oct 29, 2002, 02:57
------------------TEAM POINT TOTALS------------------
Birds of Prey APerfect10 Derek_35@hotmail.com --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Trent Green QB KC 11 Start Charlie Garner RB OAK 21 Start Larry Centers RB BUF 0 Start Terrell Owens WR SF 33 Start Rod Gardner WR WAS 8 Start Amani Toomer WR NYG 3 Start Tony Gonzalez TE KC 17 Start Mike Vanderjagt PK IND 2 Start NO ST-SAINTS ST NO 30 Start PIT OL-STEELERS OL PIT 14 Start Bobby Hamilton DL NE 6 Start COURTNEY BROWN DL CLE 3 Start Leonard Little DL STL 0 Start Brian Urlacher LB CHI 20 Start Derrick Brooks LB TB 10 Start Edgert Hartwell LB BAL 7 Start Edward Reed DB BAL 12 Start Deon Grant DB CAR 9 Start Rodney Harrison DB SD 0 Kerry Collins QB NYG 4 Jay Fiedler QB MIA 0 James Stewart RB DET 27 Michael Pittman RB TB 4 Az-Zahir Hakim WR DET 12 Ron Johnson WR BAL 5 Wesley Walls TE CAR 2 Aaron Schobel DL BUF 9 Jevon Kearse DL TEN Shelton Quarles LB TB 17 Marvin Jones LB NYJ 10 William Bartee DB KC 17 Greg Wesley DB KC 5 Jerome Woods DB KC
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters dgrooves greavd@pikes-rpi.com --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Rich Gannon QB OAK 17 Start Warrick Dunn RB ATL 21 Start Curtis Martin RB NYJ 13 Start Joe Horn WR NO 17 Start Darrell Jackson WR SEA 6 Start Corey Bradford WR HOU 2 Start Frank Wycheck TE TEN 2 Start Morten Andersen PK KC 14 Start HOU ST-TEXANS ST HOU 6 Start OAK OL-RAIDERS OL OAK 9 Start John Henderson DL JAC 20 Start Micheal Rucker DL CAR 8 Start Hugh Douglas DL PHI 2 Start Derek Smith LB SF 18 Start EARL HOLMES LB CLE 11 Start Rob Fredrickson LB ARI 2 Start Brian Kelly DB TB 14 Start Mike Minter DB CAR 10 Start Reggie Tongue DB SEA 9 Chad Pennington QB NYJ 13 Stacey MACK RB JAC 9 Ahman Green RB GB 0 Curtis Conway WR SD 0 Donald Driver WR GB 0 John Davis TE CHI 0 Marti Gramatica PK TB 25 STL ST-RAMS ST STL 0 DEN OL-BRONCOS OL DEN 14 Chike Okeafor DL SF 12 Ronald McKinnon LB ARI 11 Lawyer Milloy DB NE 12
Junkyard Dogs wiggs --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Donovan McNabb QB PHI 22 Start Fred TAYLOR RB JAC 13 Start LaDai Tomlinson RB SD 0 Start Ed McCaffrey WR DEN 19 Start Dont Stallworth WR NO 4 Start Ike Hilliard WR NYG 0 Start Freddie Jones TE ARI 13 Start Billy Cundiff PK DAL 4 Start MIN ST-VIKINGS ST MIN 14 Start NO OL-SAINTS OL NO 19 Start Gary Walker DL HOU 12 Start Warren Sapp DL TB 11 Start Greg Ellis DL DAL 3 Start Jessie Armstead LB WAS 20 Start Peter Boulware LB BAL 11 Start Keith Brooking LB ATL 11 Start Champ Bailey DB WAS 4 Start Chris McAlister DB BAL 4 Start ROBERT GRIFFITH DB CLE 0 Mark BRUNELL QB JAC 14 JAMEL WHITE RB CLE 12 James Allen RB HOU 5 Isaac Bruce WR STL 0 David Terrell WR CHI 0 Camero Cleeland TE NE 0 Adam Vinatieri PK NE 6 Patrick Kerney DL ATL 0 Mo Lewis LB NYJ 17 James Farrior LB PIT 15 Brock Marion DB MIA 0
Ike44 Ike44 , , , , , , , --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Joey Harrington QB DET 10 Start Corey Dillon RB CIN 19 Start Mike Alstott RB TB 4 Start Muhsin Muhammad WR CAR 6 Start Willie Jackson WR ATL 2 Start Deion Branch WR NE -3 Start Byr Chamberlain TE MIN 8 Start Jeff Wilkins PK STL 0 Start BUF ST-BILLS ST BUF 8 Start KC OL-CHIEFS OL KC 12 Start Darren Howard DL NO 13 Start Duane Clemons DL KC 4 Start Justin Smith DL CIN 3 Start Chris Claiborne LB DET 21 Start Brian Simmons LB CIN 5 Start Takeo Spikes LB CIN 0 Start Jay Bellamy DB NO 33 Start Darren Woodson DB DAL 13 Start Mike Brown DB CHI 9 Patrick Ramsey QB WAS 0 Kurt Warner QB STL 0 William Green RB CLE 0 Derri Alexander WR MIN 1 Torry Holt WR STL 0 Alge Crumpler TE ATL 16 Chris Hovan DL MIN 8 Richard Seymour DL NE 7 Bill Romanowski LB OAK 26 JAMIR MILLER LB CLE Shaun Williams DB NYG 10 Brent Alexander DB PIT 6
Italian Eagles IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Peyton Manning QB IND 14 Start Edgerrin James RB IND 15 Start Stephen Davis RB WAS 8 Start Rod Smith WR DEN 9 Start Peter Warrick WR CIN 5 Start Antonio Bryant WR DAL 2 Start Jeremy Shockey TE NYG 19 Start Seba Janikowski PK OAK 7 Start NYJ ST-JETS ST NYJ 40 Start BUF OL-BILLS OL BUF 7 Start Simeon Rice DL TB 25 Start John Abraham DL NYJ 10 Start Kevin Carter DL TEN 3 Start Jamie Sharper LB HOU 18 Start Jeremia Trotter LB WAS 15 Start Jason Gildon LB PIT 10 Start Chad Scott DB PIT 24 Start Nate Clements DB BUF 8 Start Deltha Oneal DB DEN 1 Jim Miller QB CHI 0 Jonathan Wells RB HOU 8 Moe Williams RB MIN 8 Antonio Freeman WR GB 1 David Patten WR NE 0 SD ST-CHARGERS ST SD 0 MIA OL-DOLPHINS OL MIA 0 Phillip Daniels DL CHI 6 Raylee Johnson DL SD 0 DWAYNE RUDD LB CLE 5 ANTHONY HENRY DB CLE 21 Fred Smoot DB WAS 11
beebop beebop , , , , , , , --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Steve McNair QB TEN 28 Start Priest Holmes RB KC 30 Start Ron Dayne RB NYG 2 Start Marty Booker WR CHI 18 Start Laveranue Coles WR NYJ 14 Start KEVIN JOHNSON WR CLE 12 Start Shannon Sharpe TE DEN 11 Start David Akers PK PHI 14 Start ATL ST-FALCONS ST ATL -6 Start NYG OL-GIANTS OL NYG 8 Start Grady Jackson DL NO 5 Start Brad Scioli DL IND 3 Start Grant Wistrom DL STL 0 Start Charlie Clemons LB NO 17 Start Rosevelt Colvin LB CHI 9 Start Marcus Bell LB SEA 8 Start Jason Webster DB SF 22 Start Rod Woodson DB OAK 10 Drew Brees QB SD 0 Trung Canidate RB STL 0 Marshall Faulk RB STL 0 Stevonne Smith WR CAR -3 David Sloan TE NO 3 Jay Feely PK ATL 24 MIA ST-DOLPHINS ST MIA 0 SD OL-CHARGERS OL SD 0 Roderic Coleman DL OAK 21 Shaun Rogers DL DET 1 John Mobley LB DEN 18 Rogers Beckett DB SD 0 Alex Molden DB SD 0
Sandwich Town Statics mike --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Aaron Brooks QB NO 13 Start Travis Henry RB BUF 17 Start Eddie George RB TEN 8 Start James Thrash WR PHI 13 Start Jerry Rice WR OAK 7 Start Johnnie Morton WR KC 0 Start Anthony Becht TE NYJ 1 Start Mike Hollis PK BUF 11 Start PIT ST-STEELERS ST PIT 12 Start ATL OL-FALCONS OL ATL 17 Start Michael Strahan DL NYG 16 Start Trevor Pryce DL DEN 13 Start Pat Williams DL BUF 11 Start Sam Cowart LB NYJ 23 Start Jamie Duncan LB STL 0 Start Ray Lewis LB BAL 0 Start Eric Warfield DB KC 10 Start Ronde Barber DB TB 8 Start Ahmed Plummer DB SF 6 TIM COUCH QB CLE 21 Tom Brady QB NE 11 Jerome Bettis RB PIT 0 T.j. Duckett RB ATL 0 Jerome Pathon WR NO 4 Josh Reed WR BUF 3 Eric Johnson TE SF 0 Olindo Mare PK MIA 0 GB OL-PACKERS OL GB 0 Marcellus Wiley DL SD 0 Dan Morgan LB CAR 8 Andre Dyson DB TEN 9 R.W McQuarters DB CHI 0
Furious Midget Klingon Horde Doug --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Michael Vick QB ATL 28 Start Amos Zereoue RB PIT 17 Start Thomas Jones RB ARI 12 Start Randy Moss WR MIN 26 Start Hines Ward WR PIT 17 Start Keyshaw Johnson WR TB 4 Start Marcus Pollard TE IND 9 Start PHIL DAWSON PK CLE 15 Start DET ST-LIONS ST DET 8 Start SF OL-NINERS OL SF 14 Start Kris Jenkins DL CAR 22 Start KENARD LANG DL CLE 4 Start Michael McCrary DL BAL 0 Start Kevin Hardy LB DAL 20 Start Mike Peterson LB IND 17 Start Keith Bulluck LB TEN 16 Start Sammy Knight DB NO 23 Start Donovin DARIUS DB JAC 7 Start Aaron Glenn DB HOU 3 Brad Johnson QB TB 0 Trent Dilfer QB SEA -2 Tiki Barber RB NYG 21 Tyrone Wheatley RB OAK 0 Deshaun Foster RB CAR Troy Brown WR NE 12 Germane Crowell WR DET 5 Itula Mili TE SEA 0 John Carney PK NO 18 Tony BRACKENS DL JAC 0 Jason Taylor DL MIA 0 Wali RAINER LB JAC 17 Hardy NICKERSON LB GB 0 Darren Sharper DB GB 0
Art of Monk Art of Monk mboyack@sa.utah.edu --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Shane Matthews QB WAS 21 Start Deuc McAllister RB NO 36 Start Shaun Alexander RB SEA 27 Start Tim Brown WR OAK 24 Start Jimmy SMITH WR JAC 18 Start Koren Robinson WR SEA 4 Start Bubba Franks TE GB 0 Start Jose Cortez PK SF 16 Start OAK ST-RAIDERS ST OAK 4 Start IND OL-COLTS OL IND 8 Start Julius Peppers DL CAR 24 Start Darwin Walker DL PHI 19 Start Laroi Glover DL DAL 11 Start Mike Maslowski LB KC 14 Start Chad Brown LB SEA 7 Start Dexter Coakley LB DAL 6 Start John Lynch DB TB 26 Start Reggie Howard DB CAR 23 Start Tony Parrish DB SF 16 Marc Bulger QB STL 0 Quincy Carter QB DAL 0 Rodney Peete QB CAR 0 Kevan Barlow RB SF 21 Jamal Lewis RB BAL 10 Brian Finneran WR ATL 10 Keena Mccardell WR TB 0 STL OL-RAMS OL STL 0 Andre Carter DL SF 17 Rob Morris LB IND 19 Kendrell Bell LB PIT 10 Adam Archuleta DB STL 0 Quentin Jammer DB SD 0
Nerfherders Jason --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Jeff Garcia QB SF 35 Start Duce Staley RB PHI 17 Start Garrison Hearst RB SF 7 Start Peerless Price WR BUF 20 Start David Boston WR ARI 16 Start Eddie Kennison WR KC 6 Start Jay Riemersma TE BUF 5 Start Jason Elam PK DEN 10 Start NE ST-PATRIOTS ST NE 16 Start PHI OL-EAGLES OL PHI 15 Start Kenny Mixon DL MIN 9 Start Seth Payne DL HOU 4 Start Eric Hicks DL KC 0 Start Eric Barton LB OAK 15 Start Marc Washington LB IND 9 Start Shawn Barber LB PHI 7 Start Troy Vincent DB PHI 20 Start Ty Law DB NE 16 Start Brian Dawkins DB PHI 10 Jake Plummer QB ARI 3 Lamar Smith RB CAR 8 Bill Schroeder WR DET 6 Chris Chambers WR MIA 0 Matt Stover PK BAL 6 KC ST-CHIEFS ST KC 10 Vonnie Holliday DL GB 0 Jeff Zgonina DL STL 0 Donnie Edwards LB SD 0 Dat Nguyen LB DAL 0 Zach Thomas LB MIA 0 Dewa Washington DB PIT 20 Patrick Surtain DB MIA 0
Long Beach Lightning Dennis --- NAME------------- POS TM PTS Start Drew Bledsoe QB BUF 19 Start Clinton Portis RB DEN 23 Start Antowain Smith RB NE 13 Start Marvin Harrison WR IND 13 Start Andre Davis WR CLE 11 Start Qadry Ismail WR IND 6 Start Mikhael Ricks TE DET 7 Start Paul Edinger PK CHI 2 Start SEA ST-SEAHAWKS ST SEA 8 Start JAC OL-JAGUARS OL JAC 9 Start Chad Bratzke DL IND 6 Start Jason Ferguson DL NYJ 5 Start Dwight Freeney DL IND 0 Start LaVar Arrington LB WAS 29 Start Joey Porter LB PIT 20 Start Ian Gold LB DEN 17 Start Roy Williams DB DAL 14 Start Gary Baxter DB BAL 12 Start Adrian Wilson DB ARI 10 Brett Favre QB GB 0 Dorsey Levens RB PHI 3 Ricky Williams RB MIA 0 Terry Glenn WR GB 0 Chad Lewis TE PHI 0 GERARD WARREN DL CLE 15 Adewal Ogunleye DL MIA 0 Isai Kacyvenski LB SEA 4 Warrick Holdman LB CHI 0 Anthony Simmons LB SEA 0 Mike McKenzie DB GB 0 Antoine Winfield DB BUF 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------
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wiggs@work Donor
ID: 447432423 Tue, Oct 29, 2002, 15:35
Derek, 2 things. First of all i submitted a line up today just to see if it worked. Please confirm if you recieved it. I know for sure the pop up window came up.
2nd. I would like to add dennis northcutt to my roster and move david terrell to IR. thanks Wiggs
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Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Tue, Oct 29, 2002, 17:10
I think I should get bonus points for the Eagles getting 299 rushing yards last night. :)
152
Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Tue, Oct 29, 2002, 17:12
Actually, under my proposed OL scoring, I would get 59 points. I'll take that instead please. :)
153
Doug Sustainer
ID: 3411223 Tue, Oct 29, 2002, 18:47
I agree that it would be preferable to find an owner now. Even if he feels this season is shot, it will still be good for him to be familiar with the other managers, figure out how our league scoring works, etc. before next year's draft, when pretty much everyone will start over from an even playing field.
In the meantime, I agree that Derek should take over as interim manager of the team.
Nerf, all that proves to me is that your proposed system needs to be tweaked! ;-)
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mike
ID: 139313016 Wed, Oct 30, 2002, 17:45
yeah it was him that was complaining before wasn't it?
anyways find someone to take it over. if they don't like his team I'll offer to take that over and they can have my team. I'm .500 a bit better off and wouldn't mind the challenge of rebuilding
155
dgrooves
ID: 454482113 Sun, Nov 03, 2002, 12:27
Its after Noon but SD/Commish has no lineup posted...
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beebop
ID: 271059217 Sun, Nov 03, 2002, 17:15
i havent seen derek around the last couple days. Its sort of annoying, because ive dropped ron dayne on tuesday or wednesday, and he is still on my team, so i havent been able to pick someone up.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Mon, Nov 04, 2002, 02:15
hmm...I'm not sure how you havent seen me around? I post multiple times daily on this board and check daily.
Totally slipped my mind that I was in charge of SD's team. Ugh. Anyways, Ron Day should've been dropped Tuesday. I remember doing it. If he wasnt removed from your lineup, you should've emailed me or posted to let me know....
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beebop
ID: 271059217 Mon, Nov 04, 2002, 02:38
Nah, thats alright....by the time i realised he was still there, i dont think the player i would have picked up would have cleared waivers by this weeks game, and thats all i needed him for. I probably did see your posts, but didnt really register (i barely read the poster, just the post), just didnt really notice you that much on Aim.
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APerfect10 Leader
ID: 4921123 Mon, Nov 04, 2002, 02:45