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0 Subject: Week 12 Smackdown Points

Posted by: Farn
- Sustainer [451044109] Thu, Nov 18, 2004, 22:00

Name Tonight's Total          
             
Akio 0          
Al Snow 12 2 5 5    
Amy Weber 2 2        
Big Show 0          
Bill Demott 0          
Billy Kidman 0          
Booker T 5 5        
Bradshaw 7 2 5      
Bubba Ray Dudley 0          
Carlito Cool 29 2 2 15 10  
Charlie Haas 18 18        
Chavo Guerrero Jr. 0          
Chavo Guerrero Sr. 0          
Chris Nawrocki 0          
Daniel Puder 0          
D'von Dudley 0          
Danny Basham 5 5        
Dawn Marie 0          
Doug Basham 5 5        
Eddie Guerrero 5 5        
Funaki 0          
Hardcore Holly 0          
Hiroko Niizuma 0          
Jacqueline 0          
Jamie Noble 0          
Jesus Aguilera 9 2 2 5    
John Cena 78 3 5 30 30 10
John Heidenrich 12 2 10      
Josh Matthews 0          
Joy Giovanni 2 2        
Kenzo Suzuki 12 12        
Kurt Angle 35 5 30      
Luther Reigns 0          
Mark Jindrak 0          
Matt Morgan 0          
Michael Cole 2 2        
Michelle McCool 2 2        
Miss Jackie 0          
Mordechai 0          
Nunzio 0          
Orlando Jordan 7 2 5      
Paul Bearor 0          
Paul Heyman 2 2        
Paul London 0          
Renee Dupree 12 12        
Rey Mysterio 27 2 25      
Rhyno 0          
Rikishi 0          
Rob Van Dam 27 2 25      
Sable 0          
Sakoda 0          
Scotty 2 Hotty 0          
Sean O'Haire 0          
Shaniqua 0          
Shannon Moore 0          
Spike Dudley 0          
Tazz 2 2        
Theodore Long 7 2 5      
Torrie Wilson 0          
Ultimo Dragon 0          
Undertaker 5 5        
Vince McMahon 0          
             
             
Tonight's Total Points 329          
1Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Thu, Nov 18, 2004, 22:00
- I didn't count Heidenreich's post match antics as a promo. I guess that could be debated but it seems like a carryover from the match itself.

- Well, we mulled it over a week or two ago. Now it's here. Angle will wrestle a different local schmo every week and get 30 free points. But I am not sure there is a way around it. Oh, and no, I am not listing the local schmo for points until the week where a real "hometown" wrestler appears.
2Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Thu, Nov 18, 2004, 22:01

Some thoughts on Snoredown:

Do you notice the difference between Raw and Smackdown? Besides the talent being better on Raw? The big problem with Snoredown is that there big names don't wrestle more than once a month. Undertaker doesn't wrestle at all. Guerrero is still nursing his head trauma I guess. Angle wresltes Tough Enough guys and local wrestlers. JBL cuts 10 minute boring promos. On the other hand Raw has its top guys wrestling at least 3 out of the 4 Raw's per month. What a huge difference that makes.

Snoredown has been ruined by these Tough Enough promos. Its a waste of 30 minutes a night.

Do they really need to have JBL and Eddie waste time driving a car to the ring?

The title match at Armageddon intrigues me. Will they do the right thing and take the title off the boring JBL? If so would it go to Eddie who works about as hard as anybody on the show? Or to Booker, who also works very hard but may not command the same excitement. Or might it go to the Undertaker? My vote would be for 'Taker (no bias on this) and let him carry it for a while, maybe as long as Wrestlemania. Let him put on a huge match against a Cena type guy at WM and drop the belt there and hopefully retire. Or give it to Booker or Eddie now and let 'Taker get it later. He is the one guy that fans just erupt for. He spans the gap from old to new champions. If he would put a younger talent over he could really help this company.
3blue hen
      ID: 353412123
      Thu, Nov 18, 2004, 22:17
Taker? Drop the belt at Wrestlemania? Are you serious?
4Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Nov 18, 2004, 22:26
UT = UNDefeated at the big show.
5Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Thu, Nov 18, 2004, 22:27
haha. Ok, fair point hen. But it would be the right thing to do. He could do so much for the younger talent if he would just put them over. But instead his massive ego refuses to do that. I also think thats one of the reasons they won't give him the title.

It kind of reminds of Andre the Giant putting over Hogan at WM. Had he not done that would Hogan have become the stud he did? Probably not to the same degree. But Andre wanted what was best for the company and his fellow wrestlers. 'Taker doesn't apparently.
6Tree
      ID: 510231619
      Thu, Nov 18, 2004, 22:39
remember when smackdown was the better of the two shows?
7Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 4494554
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 07:23
At this point JBL has had a total of two major title defenses meaning he has been in a total of 3 title programs including the one in which he won it from Eddie. Sadly, now they feel they have no acceptable remaining main event talent to challenge him and so he will wrestle the last three wrestlers he has faced.

Why are they so against the idea of giving Big Show or RVD a shot to see how they come off in a main event program? They could elevate Jindrak. What a shame how they wasted Palumbo. Edge isn't doing anything great on Raw, they could bring him over. It feels to me like about half of the Raw roster has had their character built to a legit main event contender.

Who was Carly Colon before WWE? Was he really big in Mexico or something? I know Eddie had some big promotional match with him in Mexico right before WWE started airing his promos a few months ago. But I'm pretty sure he'd been in OVW for a while before that. Bugs me that he walks on the show and is granted instant Main Event status. Eugene at least had over 10 years in the business and was due - and he has also slipped nicely back into a fitting mid-carder role.

And I know Carlito got hurt soon after his debut, but honestly aside from one cool DDT that anyone else could do we haven't seen a anything special from him.
8wiggs@school
      ID: 58103649
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 09:22
Who was Carly Colon now?
9Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 2824911
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 09:27
Carlito
10wiggs@school
      ID: 58103649
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 09:36
oh ok, Thanks MITH, I never made the connection.

Oh and by the way. I would love to see RVD and Jindrak get a title push. Maybe they can just take it from each other every week :)
11blue hen
      ID: 372102211
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 10:49
RVD vs JBL in a PPV main event doesn't exactly appeal to me. Don't know how you guys would feel about that.

They just move too fast these days (witness Orton). A champ who fights 3 guys in 3 months and then doesn't have anyone to fight with - that's just weird.

And Big Slow vs JBL would be weird too. Aren't we supposed to cheer for the underdog?
12Great One@Work
      ID: 59946299
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 11:16
I almost find myself cheering for Big Show lately... like his current character... and would SURELY be behind him if he were crushing JBL!

13Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 11:25
RVD v. Eddie---that would get me to pay to watch.
14Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 11:30
I wouldn't mind RVD vs. Eddie but I am very unlikely to buy a PPV at the current prices to see that main event.

I remember when Big Show had a personality. There was a point where he was a funny guy and making jokes. I enjoyed him doing that. Now he is just a token giant who squashes people on weekly TV and then gets beat at the PPV.
15blue hen
      ID: 372102211
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 11:31
I just go to Hooters and drink the whole time anyway. You can't put a price on that.
16Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 12:20
It's true.
17Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 4494554
      Sun, Nov 21, 2004, 12:55
Sorry I haven't had a chance to do this week's S&S yet. Hopefully I can do it tonight otherwise I'll get it out tomorrow night before Raw.
18 mia angel
      ID: 2305221
      Sun, Jan 02, 2005, 02:52
carly colon aka carlito caribbean cool is big in puerto rico where his dad puerto rican wrestler legend carlos colon. the promotion his dad runs is called wwc (world Wrestling counsil) and is one of 2 big promotions in puerto rico. carly has won numerous titles and is a termendous wrestler.
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