Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 23:11
- McMahon was the first person through the curtain. Y2J was already in the ring.
- I gave points to 5 Divas. I can't keep up with all these new names so if somedoy knows the 6th please speak up.
- Hassan's promo was live from what i could tell and directed at the ring area so he got 5.
- Gave Coach 2 for his interviewing (hosting).
- Orton got 2 for his promo in the back, then he came to the ring after Edge's babbling. So I gave him 5 more for that. That is probably open to interpretation.
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 23:12
Other Notes:
If the title is vacated that means whoever wins it nexts gets 50 for the win. Just pointing that out so when HHH wins it in a week he should get his 50.
Should we consider adjusting the points for DQ Tag loss? You currently get the same points for a DQ tag loss than you get for a DQ Singles loss. That seems wrong considering you get 18 for DQ Singles win by 16 for a DQ Tag win.
That headfirst dive on the floor by Lita was nuts. She is lucky she isn't paralyzed.
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wiggs Donor
ID: 04991311 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 23:22
just to make a note, orton wasnt credited with the 5 points so mith please add that. Thanks.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 4494554 Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 23:33
I think 10 for any dq loss is fine. 10 points is the least amount you can receive for being in a match.
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slosh23
ID: 317242216 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 00:20
***stop lurk
I think Raw is Jericho gets the curtain points. He was in the ring and then his music played to start the show. I may be wrong but I thought it was about whose music opened the show. Yes Jericho was in the ring to start, but then his music was played to open.
start lurk***
btw pretty good RAW, I was impressed that the ladies carried a good match to end. Gutsy for them to end on that. Oh yeah, better get ready for the turn points on Batista.
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Mike D Sustainer
ID: 041831612 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 06:58
Actually the "curtain jerker" points don't go to those already in the ring. Only the first one(s) to bust through that curtain.
I missed Raw tonight. Sounds like it was a good watch.
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:36
good catch wiggs. I typed up that he deserved 5 but then forgot to add them.
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Great One
ID: 1113978 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 09:45
I know we voted first guy through, but Y2J did deserve them last night. He was the one there to start the show. It was his deal. Wasn't like he was an announcer or some jobber in the ring waiting for the curtain jerker.
I don't know, I just think that rule may need a little more tweakin cause the whole idea was the reward the guy who opens the show and is in the opening spotlight.
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kev
ID: 3155515 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 00:46
Am I getting screwed out of more points? AGAIN
I will be sure to mention this in season 6!
BTW, the bump that Lita took looked nasty...
Should be a good week for Fozzy Keibler.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 4494554 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 06:58
I understood the curtain jerker points to be specifically about making an entrance, not who the show starts with. A few weeks ago the show started with HHH in the ring and someone else got the points when they came out to interrupt him which is the way I understood the rule was intended to work.
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wiggs Donor
ID: 04991311 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 07:46
i totally agree with MITH on this one.
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Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 08:03
I agree with post 6.
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Great One
ID: 551038246 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 10:05
I know we initially ruled that it was whoever's music played and then they walked down. But I just think its missing the point of giving points to focus of the opening segmet. It clearly was Y2J and that week with HHH he should have gotten it too IMO. If its some announcer standing in the ring, thats a different story and thats the reason I know that I went along with the vote cause thats how I interpreted it.
I am also working on a stipulation proposal again because I think its retarted that the first guy who walks to the aisle gets a bonus and Edge and Beniot fight in a cage and bleed all over and they don't get a bonus.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 4494554 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 10:36
Bond post 30: In simplified terms, the concept brought forth by slosh23 seems to be the best under the current climate of the WWE. Understandably, there will be times when a superstar like Jericho or Flair or any other number of individuals may be in the ring before the show goes on the air. However, for the masses, nothing matches the anticipation than for the first titantron music to sound ushering in the first superstar(s) to come in from the back.
As such, I'm proposing that we allow 3 points for the first curtain-jerker(s) that appears following the first titantron theme music.
MITH 31: We could call it the "first non-introductory arena appearance" of the show, if that embodies what you are going for. That way, if HHH or Y2J is already in the ring when the show starts, they still get the points, unless you are saying that it shouldn't work that way.
Bond 32: My point is that if someone is already in the ring when the show starts, then they should NOT receive any points at all. We should want to honor suspense and frankly there is no suspense in that situation and therefore should not be rewarded.
Under my proposal, points should only be distributed to the first person(s) that come out from the back WITH a titantron theme song playing--whether or not it's their own theme song. This would be only be for RAW and Smackdown, not any PPV.
If this is not suitable, I am more than willing to rework it to however you guys want.
With Bonds' post #30, I think the spirit of the rule was clear. He then clarified it further in post 32 after my questioing. I believe the is working exactly as Bond intended, or at least as he explained it.
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kev
ID: 3155515 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 15:30
Don't get me wrong- I was joking obviously. With the rule as stated, Y2J doesnt get curtain jerker points.
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wiggs Donor
ID: 04991311 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 16:18
after watching raw, since I taped it. I would say Orton does deserve 7 total points, his interview in the back and when he comes out to the ring is definately seperated. I also would like to put it to a vote or whatever needs to be done to get maven his turn points. I believe he is clearly a heel.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 4494554 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 16:20
I think so too. If there are no objections I'll add the points in the next S&S.
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 16:35
wiggs, your post in 3 was replied to by me in 7.
i typed that he was getting seperate points (shown in post 1) but forgot to put them in the spreadsheet. thats what i indicated in post 7.
as for maven i'm fine with turn points. i have never awarded those. i always leave that up to the group to decide.
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wiggs Donor
ID: 04991311 Wed, Dec 08, 2004, 17:48
Farn, I was just trying to figure out if the points were deserved because you mentioned it was open to interpretation.
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Bond, James Bond
ID: 331154316 Thu, Dec 09, 2004, 02:13
Sorry to chime in so late on this issue but I've been quite the busy boy. The curtain-jerker points are intended, as rehashed by MITH in point 14, to be for the first person to walk out from the back with the music blaring. In this case, VKM deserves them, not Jericho. Hope this helps to clarify the issue further.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 4494554 Thu, Dec 09, 2004, 08:32
Thanks for confirming, Bond. But that's not to say that the rule shouyldn't be tweaked after seeing it in practice for a while, if thats what the group thinks. Personally, I think I like it the way it is. Interestingly, I expected this rule to be a little boost to HHH, but it hasn't panned out that way at all. Still, I very much like the idea of a few extra points to the one who makes the first entrance of the show.
If there is one amendment to make, and I'm not sure that an amendment is actually necessary here, its that we might want to specify that it is about coming down the ramp and not coming out from behind the curtain. The only reason I make this distinction is Rey Mysterio, who pops out from underneath the top of the ramp, and almost never comes out from behind the curtain. This has come up one time in a show that I scored, and I gave him the 3 points, and made note of it in my notes.
My understanding and opinion is that the rule is about making an entrance. Mysterio makes the most exciting entrance in the company, so I think that applying the rule literally in his case would work against what the rule is meant to award.
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Bond, James Bond
ID: 331154316 Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 01:23
Regarding Mysterio I agree 100% with your assessment MITH. The spirit of the rule should be stated as being the first one to come from behind the curtain (or around, upside down, below or whatever direction...LOL) with a titantron theme playing. Whatever amending you need to do with that to make it sound better is fine with me.
Furthermore, I have no problem giving a person, say, 2 points for actually being the first person shown as long as he/she isn't the first one coming from the back.
If you want to take this even further, we could actually give 2 extra points to the person who is the LAST superstar seen. Since most main events end up with some weird interference anyway, there ain't no telling who'd that person be. Just some food for thought.
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Bond, James Bond
ID: 331154316 Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 01:30
Another point to your response in 21 MITH. I don't think it'd be wise to state that we'd give the curtain-jerker points to the first one coming down the ramp. Isn't it possible (and I think this may have happened a time or two) for the person to be attacked brutally from behind thus preventing him from coming down to the ring?
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wiggs Donor
ID: 04991311 Mon, Dec 13, 2004, 14:10
are curtain jerker points for ppvs also worth 3 or is it more?
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 2824911 Mon, Dec 13, 2004, 14:16
I believe it was specified that there are no curtain jerker points for PPVs.
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wiggs Donor
ID: 04991311 Mon, Dec 13, 2004, 14:18
fair enough i have the scores done then, i will post now