Posted by: Tree
- [212401018] Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 19:50
so, i was looking at various things, and trying to come up with ways to spice things up. i was also looking for ways to slightly extend the off-season, so we're not rushing like crazy people to get things done.
in looking at the PPV schedule through next February, there are some inconsistencies and oddities to contend with, among them an imbalance in PPVs by brand, an ECW PPV that may or may not contain people from both brands, and a Tuesday PPV.
so, here we go.
1. it's already established that the last week of our current season is 4/3 to 4/9. that's the week that includes the Raw and Smackdown after Wrestlemania.
2. i propose that the next season begin the week of 6/5 to 6/11 (just before the ECW PPV) and end on Sunday 10/9, which is the No Mercy PPV.
this sets the season at 18 weeks, and includes TWO Raw PPVs, TWO Smackdown PPVs, and TWO both brand PPVs (presuming the ECW PPV includes both brands).
one of the reasons i suggest this late start is because of the Raw Brand PPV Backlash on 5/01, which throws everything into an unbalanced state.
i like balance.
3. i propose the season after that begin the week of 10/23 to 10/29 (the week before the Taboo Tuesday PPV) and end the week of 2/19 to 2/25.
like the season before, this allows for 18 weeks, and TWO PPVs each for Raw, Smackdown, and Both.
4. and finally, what to do until 6/5? i mean, nearly two months without a season?!?! unacceptable!
so, beginning with the week of 4/10 to 4/16 and ending with the week of 5/15 to 5/21, and excluding the 5/1 Backlast PPV, i propose a 6 week Nascar Style sprint, which is purely an exhibittion.
we take our top five scorers from the season before, and just let them go. no bench, no waiver wire, no nothing. just a flat out spring for the finish line.
this allows us time to recharge, and sort through our rosters and pick our keepers (remember, this sprint is exhibition. it does not count toward keepers or anything).
5/22 to 6/4 (two weeks) will be our off season, and let us draft.
other two week off seasons are 10/10 to 10/22, and 2/26 to 3/11.
5. the next post will contain a chart/graph that i hope explains this more visually.
let me know your thoughts...
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Tree
ID: 212401018 Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 19:54
Show - Date
Brand
Sun - Sat
Wrestlemania 21-04/03/2005
Both
4/3 - 4/9
4/10 - 4/16
4/17 - 4/23
4/24 - 4/30
Backlash-05/01/2005
RAW
5/1 - 5/7
5/8 - 5/14
5/15 - 5/21
5/22 - 5/28
5/29 - 6/4
6/5 - 6/11
ECW One Night Stand-06/12/2005
TBD
6/12 - 6/18
6/19 - 6/25
Vengeance-06/26/2005
RAW
6/26 - 7/2
7/3 - 7/9
7/10 - 7/16
7/17 - 7/23
The Great American Bash-07/24/2005
SD
7/24 - 7/30
7/31 - 8/6
8/7 - 8/13
8/14 - 8/20
Summerslam-08/21/2005
Both
8/21 - 8/27
8/28 - 9/3
9/4 - 9/10
9/11 - 9/17
Unforgiven-09/18/2005
RAW
9/18 - 9/24
9/25 - 10/1
10/2 - 10/8
No Mercy-10/09/2005
SD
10/9 - 10/15
10/16 - 10/22
18 WEEKS
10/23 - 10/29
Taboo Tuesday-11/01/2005
RAW
10/30 - 11/5
11/6 - 11/12
11/13 - 11/19
11/20 - 11/26
Survivor Series-11/27/2005
Both
11/27 - 12/3
12/4 - 12/10
12/11 - 12/17
Armagedon-12/18/2005
SD
12/18 - 12/24
12/25 - 12/31
1/1 - 1/7
New Years Revolution-01/08/2006
RAW
1/8 - 1/14
1/15 - 1/22
1/23 - 1/28
Royal Rumble-01/29/2006
Both
1/29 - 2/4
2/5 - 2/11
2/12 - 2/18
No Way Out-02/19/2006
SD
2/19 - 2/25
2/26 - 3/4
3/5 - 3/11
18 weeks
Last week of current season
PPV probably for both brands
PPV for Raw Brand
PPV for SmackDown Brand
Off Season
Sprint Week
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GoatLocker
ID: 427272213 Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 20:59
I like it. Makes sense and gives us a few breaks in between.
The Sprint could be fun too.
Cliff
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 21:18
hmmm... At first glance I like the idea.
How about a small tweak to the sprint? Maybe a salary cap type game, aka TSN style? That might be a fun format to play for the 2 down months.
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 23:44
Very nice Tree.
And if the ECW PPV doesn't end up with both brands we could just eliminate it, since we would then have 2 raw, 2 sd and one 'both' which is balanced.
I'm sure we'll tweak it here or there, but the idea of some breaks and shorter seasons sounds cool.
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Great One
ID: 141146910 Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 10:52
this may be the happiest day of my life... I am sitting at work. Try and figure out why - lol...
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Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 10:56
There is someone under the desk?
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Great One
ID: 141146910 Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 10:59
Yeah.. both my new girlfriends Mike... good call! :)
Its a much more obvious answer than that actually.
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 11:27
wow, you can actually post from work now.
MITH, open the champagne, no more emails from GO asking you to post his thoughts. :)
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 12:00
oh this is too funny
Email from GO:
yeah well.. merrill lynch giveth... merrill lynch taketh away... blocked again. this is now the happiest AND most depressing day all rolled into one lol...
bastards.
GO
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 13:54
That didn't last long GO.
Cliff
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Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 14:38
Even quicker than the person under his desk. Wait, that may be why he's not typing....
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Tree
ID: 76471215 Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 14:45
guys - we should make a decision on this ASAP. WM is right around the corner.
i haven't seen MITH's thought on this, and would like to.
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Bond, James Bond
ID: 492411622 Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 17:02
Ok, allow me to chime in. With all due respect I don't really care for this much tweaking. I agree that there should be a little tweaking done but not at the expense of having Raw and/or Smackdown PPV's and other regular shows NOT count.
Now, at the risk of refining the art of verbal deconstruction of issues great and small, it is not my intention to asperse any one or any idea.
However, the best interests of our league must be served first and farmost in our minds and we must be crystal clear on what we're trying to accomplish and why.
I, personally, have suffered way too many rolling mental blackouts in past leagues to take these ideas in our league too lightly. I love our league: its uniqueness of point-producing capabilities; its unity with other fellow managers; its love of all things WWE; its common sensibility, etc. I would hate to see anything tarnish what we already have. I'm not saying any of the above proposals by Tree would. I just want to make sure that this is what we want to do and have considered all the options and obstacles standing before us.
Therefore, as I see it, our strategy should be comprehensive in approach and long term in outlook. By comprehensive I mean just that: a realistic assessment of where we are, where we want to go and what it will take to get there.
If the majority of us are not satisfied with the status quo, for heaven's sake, let's change it up. This league is more than for competition sake; it's for fun! If it's not enjoyable to the masses, I have no problem whatsoever doing whatever we need to do in order to for us to enjoy it even more.
Now having said that, I am one of those guys that likes to see all PPV's count and all Raw and Smackdown shows count. Except for the season-ending recap show, of course. If we insert the above proposals, we won't get that. I don't care too much for the idea of a small salary-type game or Nascar style sprint during the "offseason". No offense guys.
The WWE rarely takes time off and we shouldn't either. Now, of course, if you want to change it to a little tournament whereby the #1 guy faces the #8; 2 vs. 7; 3 vs. 6; and 4 vs. 5 (sorry but the bottom two guys are ineligible) in a short one-month competition, then by all means count me in! ;)
Other than that, I will certainly support whatever the majority want to do. I have seriously enjoyed our competition thus far and look forward to many more years of friendly rivalries amongst each other.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 192301410 Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 17:15
What do we know about One Night Stand? I'm leaning toward not scoring it. My impression is that it will be lagely made up of wrestlers that likely won't get any time on WWE TV other than some promotional cameos around the time of the PPV. Other than that, I like the idea of basing our fantasy season schedules on the number of PPVs of each brand that occur within each season, tho I don't think I'm that bent on forcing balance where there might not be any.
I have one other issue. I'd be more comfortable with Season VI ending with the Smackdown after WMXXII. Perhaps we could find a way to tweak this proposal from Tree to have the season end on the Wrestlemania week? Also, if we do go with a major change to our format, be it this or someother version, I think we should approach it as a trial basis, with an agreement that after WMXXII (or whenever we decide Season VI ends), we will revisit the issue and decide if we like the new format or talk about how we want to change it.
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Mike D Sustainer
ID: 041831612 Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 17:17
I like keeping it simple. I'm certainly not going to be on top of that table Tree created. But that's just me.
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Tree
ID: 76471215 Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 17:21
I'd be more comfortable with Season VI ending with the Smackdown after WMXXII. Perhaps we could find a way to tweak this proposal from Tree to have the season end on the Wrestlemania week?
do we know the date of WM22? i mean, the simple solution to this is just letting the second season of the year run a little bit longer, probably 24 weeks to the first half's 18 weeks.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 192301410 Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 17:30
No, we don't know the date for WMXXII yet. The date for WMXXI was announced during WMXX and (iirc) the WMXX date was announced during WMXIX.
I think my approach would be to possibly extend the offseasons to maybe about 3 weeks or so and end Season V on the No Mercy week. But I'm definitely open to more creative ideas.
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Tree
ID: 76471215 Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 17:42
I think my approach would be to possibly extend the offseasons to maybe about 3 weeks or so and end Season V on the No Mercy week.
maybe elongate the "sprint" one more week, take the two weeks between 5/29 and 6/12 off for drafting and stuff, and begin the season on 6/13, the day after the ECW PPV?
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wiggs Donor
ID: 04991311 Mon, Mar 28, 2005, 10:16
FROM GO
as usual... trapped behind the wall at work but wanted to chime in. (and frankly I am trapped at home now too cause our hard drive exploded and I just ordered a new one via mail...)
don't really wanna change too much either - I like keeping it simple, just thought a little more balance was in order - extending the "Summer Season" by say 2 weeks would solve the problem I think and keep it fairly balanced. (instead of 18 and 24 it would be 20 and 22?)
if the group votes in favor of it, thats fine too... I can compete either way since my entire roster is debuting or returning from injury or car wrecks or affairs or "refreshing their character" or whatever the hell they wanna call the 8 month haitus - all within the next month. But like I said, I would prefer keeping it as it was, just a little tweaking to the balance of dates...
GO
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Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 01629107 Tue, Mar 29, 2005, 08:30
Tree, your graph leaves out the 5/22/06 Smackdown brand Judgement Day PPV. Inserting that one changes everything, including a way to keep the PPVs balanced, if we go along with the idea of not scoring the ECW PPV, which I think is the safer way to go, anyway.
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Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 01629107 Tue, Mar 29, 2005, 08:32
SEASON IV
Week 32
Wrestlemania 04/03/05
TWO WEEKS OFF
TWO WEEKS OFF
SEASON V
Week 1
Sunday 04/24/05
Week 2
Backlash 05/01/05
Week 5
Judgement Day 05/22/05
Week 10
Vengeance 06/26/05
Week 14
Great American Bash 07/24/05
Week 18
Summerslam 8/21/05
Week 22
Unforgiven 09/18/05
Week 25
No Mercy 10/09/05
TWO WEEKS OFF
TWO WEEKS OFF
SEASON VI
Week 1 (begins Sun 10/30)
Taboo Tuesday 11/01/05
Week 5
Survivor Series 11/27/05
Week 9
Armegeddon 12/18/05
Week 12
New Year's Revolution 01/08/06
Week 15
Royal Rumble 01/29/06
Week 18
No Way Out 02/19/06
Week 21 - 24
Wrestlemania 03/12/06 - 04/02/06
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Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 01629107 Tue, Mar 29, 2005, 08:34
This way, Season V and VI will be much closer to the same length then they currently are, which was one of the goals in changing the sched. Also, each season will have 7 PPVs, with the same number of Raw and SD PPVs.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Tue, Mar 29, 2005, 08:51
Like what MITH worked out.
Good job Tree and MITH.
I'm up for the change to even things up.
Cliff
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Tue, Mar 29, 2005, 11:20
Love it.
I agree with Cliff completely and would endorse the schedule in post 21 wholeheartedly.
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Tree
ID: 76471215 Tue, Mar 29, 2005, 12:40
works for me...
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Thu, Mar 31, 2005, 10:54
I'd like to see more banter on this so it can be implemented. Let's move, jabronis! Ass clowns!
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Bond,JamesBond@wk.
ID: 142443112 Thu, Mar 31, 2005, 13:49
Ok which is it? Am I an jabroni or am I an assclown? LOL
I am in favor of implementing Seasons V and VI as stated in post 21. With the two weeks off, I also wouldn't have any problem with us NOT have any sort of competition during those weeks. However, full trading privileges should still be allowed during that time.
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Thu, Mar 31, 2005, 13:56
Bond 27. I think this brings an issue. It was definitely my intent that the trade deadline be installed to prohibit trading until after the draft of the next season. But since the proposal did not explicitly include that provision, I think it will be challenged. I was the one who wrote the proposal, so this is my fault. I do think the intent of barring all trades until after the folling season's draft had to be crystal-clear to anyone who paid attention to my argumets at the time, but it stands to reason that some may have only agreed to vote yes because they saw that I omitted mention of the offseason. Might as well get it out of the way.
Anyone else agree that a vote is necessary to head off a fight (or at least properly start one)?
I have no problem whatsoever with your intent of the trade deadline. It's valid, it's needed and it makes sense. I do, however, feel that in order to prevent any mass confusion and/or inane conjecture, we should make it as crystal clear as possible.
I vote YES to extending any trade deadline until after its next succeeding draft!
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wiggs
ID: 540421611 Fri, Apr 01, 2005, 15:39
I am with bond. If there is a dead line then there is a deadline. Rosters should be set.
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Bond, James Bond
ID: 162223118 Fri, Apr 01, 2005, 16:06
....or until the time of the draft. When the draft commences, then trade talks can begin anew.
I'm open either way.
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kev
ID: 3155515 Fri, Apr 01, 2005, 16:08
I agree with the last 3 posts, and like the new idea for seasons which MITH put forward.
And now, lets hope RVD is my high scorer, and I win Market Madness!
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Mon, Apr 04, 2005, 20:11
Can someone provide a calendar of some sort for the next two weeks? Like when are keepers due, draft to commence etc...
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Tue, Apr 05, 2005, 20:32
I keep reading that the Draft/Reshuffle is likely to occur at the "Supershow" on April 18th at MSG when RAW/SD will both be taped that monday night... (AND I have an extra ticket for and will be attending, anyone wanna go with me? girlfriend has agreed to go if i can't find anyone, but somehow I think she is gonna ruin it...)
I think for us it makes perfect sense for the deadline to declare keepers right after that particular show - and we start the draft that Tuesday (April 19th) once everyone's rosters are in. That gives us more or less a week to do the draft (our short four rounds seem to go in about a day anyway lol..) and post rosters for "opening night" on MITH's revamped schedule by the start of Raw - Monday of April 25th.
Keepers proclaimed by Tuesday, April 19th. Draft to commence upon reciept of everyone's keepers. New season starts Monday, 4/25 at 9 PM.
I agree with most of that. I'd say start the draft no earlier than the Wednesday after that Supershow. That way you have the option to check out the Smackdown taping results before making a pick.
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Tue, Apr 05, 2005, 21:51
yeah, thats the other reason it's the ideal week to do so since the Smackdown taping is a day earlier on Monday and gives us a day extra head start.
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Wed, Apr 06, 2005, 11:57
Agree with Farn.
Let's do it!
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Tue, Apr 12, 2005, 13:08
So have we implemented anything? When the draft is? Keeper dates? ETC ETC ETC ETC
Ok, someone help this rookie out. We need to send an e-mail to Wiggs (as defending champion) declaring our keepers correct. Is there a minimum of keepers I have to keep or can I just chunk my whole sorry roster?
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wiggs
ID: 540421611 Tue, Apr 12, 2005, 16:16
is there definately going to be a reshuffle? I havent read anything about it. I feel like we are wasting to much time waiting and wondering. In previous years didnt we declare keepers the monday after WM and start the draft right after that?
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Tue, Apr 12, 2005, 16:23
Yes wiggs, but whether there's a reshuffle of Raw/SD rosters or not, the idea of a 2-week break to better balance the seasons is still a good idea, IMO.
Well our drafts never take very long (except for the one in which there was a dispute, tho that shouldn't happen again, as our draft rules are concrete) so I don't see a reason for why we should get it done asap. Before we only took one week off. Now we have extra time and waiting for Monday will leave us with almost as much time as we usually have.
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wiggs Donor
ID: 04991311 Tue, Apr 12, 2005, 18:47
species, I understand the 2 week break, but this will be a 3 week break. I really dont care as I already know my team will be awful this season. I just wanted to see who I got.
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kev Donor
ID: 43111845 Wed, Apr 13, 2005, 23:36
when are our keepers due? I was out of town...hope I didnt miss anything.
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Thu, Apr 14, 2005, 12:20
Yeah kev. Keepers were due on Monday. Without you to guide us, we went in alphabetical order, so you were given Christy, Hurricane, Keibler and Puder.
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Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Thu, Apr 14, 2005, 12:30
And 3 free issues of Playboy.
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Thu, Apr 14, 2005, 12:36
Mmmmmmmmmmm..........Playboyyyyyy
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kev Donor
ID: 43111845 Thu, Apr 14, 2005, 12:39
Seriously though.
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Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Thu, Apr 14, 2005, 12:40
You didn't miss anything unless I missed it too.
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Thu, Apr 14, 2005, 13:29
Just messin' with ya kev.....but it was kinda cool that alphabetically it would've worked out that way! ;-)
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 25337239 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 07:56