Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall
- [25337239] Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 07:49
Standings
Wk1
Wk2
Wk3
Wk4
Wk5
Wk6
Wk7
Wk8
Wk9
Wk10
1-10 Total
1-10 Rnk
1
This is Extreme - Mike D
112
115
61
112
349
141
85
99
130
250
1454
1
2
Rise Of The Phoenix - Great One
100
356
71
74
197
107
39
62
104
147
1257
2
3
The Flying Jalapenos - MITH
96
176
85
44
114
106
95
95
87
129
1027
3
4
Total Awesomeness - Species
73
176
90
92
79
62
59
47
60
193
931
6
5
Team Stratusfaction - Farn
34
229
45
58
141
70
78
120
34
68
877
4
6
Eight Freakin' Dwarves - Tree
98
90
101
43
202
40
41
30
87
50
782
7
7
Cripple This - Goatlocker
29
82
99
59
164
67
126
59
20
66
771
5
8
You Only Live Twice - Bond, James Bond
75
150
79
86
121
42
23
47
65
63
751
8
9
The Collapsed Lungs - Kev
42
51
31
48
186
58
77
45
63
141
742
9
10
First To Worst - Wiggs
38
150
75
53
52
12
5
63
38
20
506
10
Weeks 11-20
Wk11
Wk12
Wk13
Wk14
Wk15
Wk16
Wk17
Wk18
Wk19
Wk20
Total
Lst Wk
1
This is Extreme - Mike D
82
52
114
235
150
93
113
155
2448
1
2
Rise Of The Phoenix - Great One
116
49
36
178
83
70
51
156
1996
2
4
Team Stratusfaction - Farn
33
105
51
174
67
115
71
216
1709
3
3
Total Awesomeness - Species
93
81
63
91
49
120
55
194
1677
4
5
The Flying Jalapenos - MITH
38
53
33
154
37
52
29
91
1514
5
6
Cripple This - Goatlocker
60
7
63
220
44
55
89
122
1431
6
7
The Collapsed Lungs - Kev
79
85
59
119
29
74
24
139
1350
7
8
Eight Freakin' Dwarves - Tree
59
44
12
104
50
46
48
44
1189
8
9
You Only Live Twice - Bond, James Bond
37
62
40
41
0
37
37
67
1072
9
10
First To Worst - Wiggs
18
0
5
32
7
31
42
78
719
10
Individual Scoring
Team Stats
1
John Cena
663
First To Worst
2
Batista
621
Wiggs
Active
This Week
Total Tm Pts
Total Points
3
Kurt Angle
619
Viscera
X
284
284
4
Chris Benoit
541
Maven
X
66
66
5
Carlito Cool
523
Matt Striker
X
0
40
6
Edge
514
Randy Orton
X
78
162
162
7
Bradshaw
494
Steve Austin
X
13
13
8
Booker T
473
Rob Van Dam
X
5
5
9
Chris Jericho
459
Kid Kash
0
0
10
Heidenreich
457
Todd Shane
0
0
11
Rey Mysterio
431
12
Shelton Benjamin
398
#Mark Jindrake 1-15
34
13
Joey Mercury
393
#Chris Jericho 1-5
155
14
Eddie Guerrero
383
Total
78
719
15
Christian
363
16
Orlando Jordan
362
The Flying
17
Shawn Michaels
353
Jalapenos
18
Kane
345
MITH
Active
This Week
Total Tm Pts
Total Points
19
Johnny Nitro
333
Bradshaw
X
41
494
494
20
Muhammad Hassan
318
Shelton Benjamin
X
15
398
398
21
Big Show
312
Triple H
212
212
22
Viscera
284
Psicosis
X
30
159
159
23
Daivari
225
Jilian Hall
X
5
29
31
24
Hurricane
214
Trevor Rhodes
X
0
0
25
Triple H
212
Paul Birchall
X
0
0
26
Chris Masters
207
Kenzo Suzuki
0
0
Rob Conway
207
28
Animal
203
#Matt Morgan 1-15
197
29
Rosey
202
#Akio 1-15
25
30
Melina
201
Total
91
1514
31
Matt Morgan
197
32
Hulk Hogan
196
This Is Extreme
33
Undertaker
189
Mike D
Active
This Week
Total Tm Pts
Total Points
34
Hardcore Holly
180
John Cena
X
108
663
663
35
Eric Bischoff
164
Carlito Cool
X
5
523
523
Ric Flair
164
Booker T
X
17
473
473
Super Crazy
164
Big Show
X
20
312
312
38
Randy Orton
162
Animal
X
5
198
203
39
Kerwin White
161
Sylvan Granier
118
118
40
Psicosis
159
Doug Basham
94
94
Gene Snitsky
159
Victoria
X
67
94
42
Paul London
156
43
Lita
154
Total
155
2448
44
Christy Hemme
153
45
Simon Dean
140
This Reeks of Total
46
Eugene
129
Awesomeness
47
Antonio
126
Species
Active
This Week
Total Tm Pts
Total Points
48
Tyson Tomko
123
Edge
X
47
514
514
49
Juvented Guerrera
119
Christian
X
17
363
363
50
Sylvan Granier
118
Shawn Michaels
X
55
353
353
51
Romeo Roselli
114
Gene Snitsky
X
12
109
159
52
Charlie Haas
104
Eric Bischoff
X
19
160
164
53
Matt Hardy
103
Matt Hardy
X
44
96
103
54
Sharmell
99
Sabu
0
0
55
Tajiri
95
Brock Lesnar
0
0
56
Doug Basham
94
Victoria
94
#Dan Basham 1-11
82
58
Scotty2Hotty
93
194
1677
59
Val Venis
92
60
Funaki
79
You Only Live
61
William Regal
72
Twice
62
Coach
69
Bond, James Bond
Active
This Week
Total Tm Pts
Total Points
Theodore Long
69
Kane
X
87
345
Torrie Wilson
69
Hurricane
X
36
214
65
Lilian Garcia
68
Hardcore Holly
15
108
180
Candice Michelle
68
Ric Flair
X
5
164
164
67
Maven
66
Hulk Hogan
X
62
72
196
68
Renee Dupree
65
Simon Dean
X
140
140
69
Stacey Keibler
55
Tajiri
95
95
Todd Grisham
55
William Regal
X
48
72
71
Steven Richards
54
72
Jim Ross
50
#Funaki 1-12
40
73
Jerry Lawler
49
#Hassan 1-10
282
74
Maria
44
Total
67
1072
Michael Cole
44
76
Matt Striker
40
The Collapsed
77
Tazz
39
Lungs
78
Shannon Moore
35
Kev
Active
This Week
Total Tm Pts
Total Points
79
Mark Jindrake
34
Kurt Angle
X
77
619
619
Blue Meanie
34
Chris Masters
X
5
207
207
81
Trish Stratus
33
Undertaker
X
27
189
189
82
Jilian Hall
31
Lita
X
5
154
154
83
Ken Kennedy
30
Christy Hemme
X
15
153
153
Nunzio
30
Stacey Keibler
X
10
28
55
85
Josh Matthews
29
Billy Kidman
0
15
86
Michelle McCool
27
Luther Reigns
0
0
87
Cloacus
25
Akio
25
Total
139
1350
89
Vince McMahon
23
90
Ashley
22
Team
91
Paul Heyman
20
Stratusfaction
Bob Orton
20
Farn
Active
This Week
Total Tm Pts
Total Points
93
Steve Romero
18
Chris Jericho
X
71
304
459
94
Rob Eckos
17
Eddie Guerrero
X
44
383
383
95
Billy Kidman
15
Orlando Jordan
X
41
347
362
Chad Patton
15
Rosey
X
190
202
Spike Dudley
15
Rob Conway
X
30
207
207
Jimmy Jacobs
15
Super Crazy
X
30
154
164
Mikey Wiplash
15
Antonio
52
126
Sgt. Slaughter
15
Trish Stratus
33
33
101
Steve Austin
13
102
Josh Daniels
12
#Hulk Hogan 1-5
39
Damian Adams
12
Total
216
1709
Julio Dinero
12
Chris Hamrick
12
Eight Freakin'
Chuch Tealy
12
Dwarves
Pocket Rocket
12
Tree
Active
This Week
Total Tm Pts
Total Points
Nick Berg
12
Joey Mercury
X
5
393
393
Leyla
12
Kerwin White
X
2
161
161
Summer
12
Paul London
X
156
156
Kristal
12
Juvented Guerrera
X
10
119
119
Elizabeth
12
Eugene
X
27
94
129
Simona
12
Spanky
0
0
Cameron
12
James Gibson
0
0
Alexis
12
Ken Kennedy
30
0
30
Ruffington Fierce
12
Johnny Devine
12
#Blue Meanie 11-14
24
118
Kamala
10
#Daivari 1-14
225
Melissa Coates
10
#Bubba Dudley 1-11
17
Tatanka
10
Total
44
1189
Godfather
10
Roddy Piper
10
Cripple This
123
Steve Lewington
7
GoatLocker
Active
This Week
Total Tm Pts
Total Points
Miss Jackie
7
Chris Benoit
X
99
541
541
Joy Giovanni
7
Heidenreich
X
18
457
457
126
Rob Van Dam
5
Melina
X
5
126
201
Kim Chee
5
Tyson Tomko
X
123
123
Rob Schneider
5
Renee Dupree
X
65
65
Sandman
5
Big Vito
X
0
0
Balls Mahoney
5
Brent Albright
0
0
Axl Rotten
5
Samoa Joe
0
0
Lauren Jones
5
Tommy Dreamer
5
#Charlie Haas 1-13
104
Rhyno
5
#Spike Dudley 1-11
15
James DeFalco
5
Total
122
1431
Andy Baker
5
137
Gene Okerlund
2
Rise of the Phoenix
Kid Kash
0
Great One
Active
This Week
Total Tm Pts
Total Points
Todd Shane
0
Batista
X
79
621
621
Trevor Rhodes
0
Rey Mysterio
X
67
431
431
Paul Birchall
0
Muhammad Hassan
36
318
Kenzo Suzuki
0
Johnny Nitro
X
10
333
333
Sabu
0
Romeo Roselli
X
98
114
Brock Lesnar
0
Garrison Cade
X
0
0
Luther Reigns
0
Boogeyman
X
0
0
Spanky
0
CM Punk
0
0
James Gibson
0
Big Vito
0
#Ste Richards 14-15
24
Brent Albright
0
#D'Von Dudley 1-11
17
Samoa Joe
0
#Hurricane 1-10
178
Garrison Cade
0
#Kane 1-10
258
Boogeyman
0
Total
156
1996
CM Punk
0
Free Agents
This Week
Total Points
Daivari
225
Matt Morgan
197
Charlie Haas
104
Scotty2Hotty
93
Sharmell
5
99
Val Venis
92
Coach
7
69
Theodore Long
9
69
Torrie Wilson
10
69
Lilian Garcia
10
68
Steven Richards
54
Candice Michelle
10
68
Funaki
15
79
Todd Grisham
7
55
Jim Ross
7
50
Jerry Lawler
7
49
Maria
7
44
Shannon Moore
35
Michael Cole
7
44
Mark Jindrake
34
Blue Meanie
34
Nunzio
30
Tazz
7
39
Michelle McCool
27
Cloacus
25
Akio
25
Josh Matthews
4
29
Paul Heyman
20
Vince McMahon
5
23
Rob Eckos
17
Steve Romero
18
Chad Patton
15
Spike Dudley
15
Jimmy Jacobs
15
Mikey Wiplash
15
Sgt. Slaughter
15
Josh Daniels
12
Damian Adams
12
Julio Dinero
12
Chris Hamrick
12
Chuch Tealy
12
Pocket Rocket
12
Nick Berg
12
Ashley
10
22
Leyla
12
Summer
12
Kristal
12
Elizabeth
12
Simona
12
Cameron
12
Alexis
12
Ruffington Fierce
12
Johnny Devine
12
Kamala
10
Melissa Coates
10
Tatanka
10
Godfather
10
Roddy Piper
10
Bob Orton
20
20
Steve Lewington
7
Miss Jackie
7
Joy Giovanni
7
Kim Chee
5
Rob Schneider
5
Sandman
5
Balls Mahoney
5
Axl Rotten
5
Lauren Jones
5
Tommy Dreamer
5
Rhyno
5
James DeFalco
5
Andy Baker
5
Gene Okerlund
2
1
Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 25337239 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 07:55
Sorry, Tree, you didn't start Kennedy.
We've got to get around to dishing out turn points. HBK definitely gets them for turning heel to feud with Hogan. I don't think Y2J ever got them. Eddie Guerrero too. HBK might get them for turning back. If so, think its safe to say his heel turn for the Hogan feud was in fact a full turn and not just a swerve. Anyone else?
2
Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 25337239 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 08:00
BTW, 2 more PPVs left. We will enter Week 19 this week and season ends at the completion of Week 25. I believe the beginning of Week 21 will be our trade deadline.
3
Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 08:12
IMO, HBK's turn was full and complete. Not sure about his next confrontation with Masters. I smell a rat here.
Y2J should have definitely received turn points if he hadn't already. In fact, there ought to be bonus points for being fired!!! ;)
As always, I am open for any trade talks. Apparently my team really, really sucks so admittedly there may be limited interest. But there may be a spare part or two there that may spark someone's interest. My sole goal is to make my team better. I have no hidden agenda. As such, you can be assured, I have no untouchables. Let the trading begin!!!!
5
Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 08:50
Bond, considering the team you took over, you've certainly done a fine job.
6
Bond, James Bond
ID: 187172522 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 09:02
LOL!!! Can't do much worse than 9th place. Not exactly an improvement.
7
Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 09:02
In a keeper league you can't turn it around overnight. If this was a REDRAFT league like some of suggested it should be (lol) you could have.....
8
GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 10:36
Mike D and his love for drafts...LOL He'll never give up.
Great job as always MITH If my dang wrestlers would just wrestle I'd be in better shape.
Or, if some of the pickups would get called up.
Cliff
9
wiggs Donor
ID: 04991311 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 11:37
I think Viscera should get turn points as well. He was always a thug and then with the lillian thing he bacame a fan favorite.
10
Tree Sustainer
ID: 599393013 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 13:12
i dont think HBK was a turn. his reasons for kicking Hogan were simply "i want a match with him", and now that he's feuding with Masters and Triple C, seems to me he never was a heel.
Flair on the other hand - is he a face now?
11
Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 2824911 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 13:24
I disagree. HBK was exhibiting heel behavior. Explicitly mocking Hogan whenever possible even though he was not provoked. He was definitely playing a heel character to Hogan's babyface. I think the "I had to know for real" excuse was just a way to him to easily transition back into a face role.
Now, some might say that he is still dissing Hogan. I think that's true but there are two issues with that as a counter. First, I don't think he has quite earned turn points yet for going back to a babyface, so there's a little room for him to ride the fence while he transitions. Second, jabs at Hogan are now usually much more implicit than they were during the feud. And when they do come, I think they are more Shawn Michaels speaking for himself and not the HBK character he is playing for WWE.
The argument for his not being a heel that I thought some might find valid is that since the feud was pretty short (about 5 weeks?), I was thinking some might think it was more of a swerve.
12
Great One
ID: 25772813 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:19
I cannot decide one way or the other on this one... too many shades of grey..
One thing I CAN decide on is that the Edge/Hardy match is what it should have been at Summerslam in the first place. They could have had it end like that in a no contest - then did the thing where they keep them seperated for 3 weeks til the next PPV and make that a Street Fight or I Quit or whatever... seems like they kind of did it too late - and then too early in a way.
That is unless they come out next week and say they are meeting in a dog-collar match or something crazy for the PPV.
And I gotta say.. if nothing else - Y2J has at least left me the phrase "Sideshow Bob" in my head everytime I see Carliiiiiiitoooooo....
13
Mike D Sustainer
ID: 041831612 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:57
It's funny. In all the threads/posts about "turn" points, I don't recall ever talking about the length of time involved like this. It's a relevant question. In my mind, HBK was the heel in their brief feud. Everyone acts that way against Hogan-----remember Rock at Wrestlemania when the fans were against him? Clearly no turn points applied for one match. But how about for a period of say 1 month? Good question.
I don't really recall HBK interacting with anyone else much during that period other than Hogan. That makes it even more unusual, and more difficult.
14
Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Wed, Aug 31, 2005, 14:00
HBK was a hell. Period. In the grand scheme it doesn't make a difference in my standings, so I'm not arguing necessarily on behalf of getting the points....
....but our only definition is that the turn must be "clear". I don't know how much more clear you can be when Michaels is mocking, attacking, promoting, and playing to the crowd for heat in the heel role in the Main Event of the 2nd biggest PPV of the year.
Michaels ceased playing to the crowd as a face for a span of 5 weeks. After his loss to Hogan he turned back, 'apologized'/explained himself, and began playing to the crowd as a face again. Two turns, IMO.
We've never given it a period of time requirement, just that the turn has to be 'clear'. I think it was a clear turn, albeit a fairly short one.
15
Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Wed, Aug 31, 2005, 14:18
From GO, via email.........
I think Species is correct - 2 heel turns.
If we just put each turn in a vacuumn (hell, the sweet chin music on Hogan was worth 25 points right there lol)... and ignored time between (and frankly we should), its pretty clear they are both solid, decisive turns.