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Subject: Waiver System
Posted by: Mike D
- Leader [41831612] Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:17
We should probably have this here as opposed to the actual waivers and transactions thread.
Whenever the issue comes up, no one is able to come up with a better idea even though most if not all of us don't really like the current system.
So who has any ideas?
1. Whoever is last in priority could be the person that is e-mailed with a waiver claim. As soon as 24 hours are up, it goes through. If it is trumped, the initial person is notified by e-mail privately.
Positives: Secretly done, no one has the burden of always being the gatekeeper since the #10 spot changes.
Negatives: Possible confusion over who is #10 since it changes. Claims do sometimes overlap. Possible inaccessibility of the #10 person who would have to make that known, in which case #9 could be used.
2. Use someone outside the league, such as MITH, for example, to oversee waiver claims.
Positives: No league ties for the overseer, one source to go to for claims, no confusion.
Negatives: Can we get someone (like MITH) to agree to do this? |
| 1 | wiggs
ID: 509362915
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:33
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I really like your 2nd idea, it is just a matter if Mith would be willing to do it.
If we go with number 1 , maybe the person in the 10 priority would have to say something like " i am making a claim on someone" That way they can still be able to claim and they wouldnt be able to just randomly say "I made my claim yesterday"
As for yesterdays claim. Tree I totally agree with you. I was taking a shot in the dark since I had 10 priority anyways it wouldnt hurt me any. I thought for sure I would get him.
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| 2 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:33
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#1 would work but there is no doubt that the accessibility issue would rear it's head quite often. One of the 'beauties' of this league is, in the grand scheme, it doesn't take a large time commitment so having part of the responsibility of being in the league is that you have to be in charge of waivers if you are #10 might be too much to handle.
#2 works if someone is interested enough and accessibile enough. Is there a sucker.......errrr........great citizen who could do it?
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| 3 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:34
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I like idea #2. #1 wouldn't work because we know certain managers are never around and barely check in. (I know we all pretend it isn't true but it is.) So we couldn't count on them to be responsible enough to handle waivers.
But #2 can work if we get somebody who can be around or at least checks email.
I wish one of us had enough time and or knowledge to make a script to handle claims. Basically something as simple as to take in a name and place a time next to when it was submitted. Then after 24hrs the submission would just automatically appear for public viewing. So the first one listed would be good. If it helps I could volunteer the webspace. I just have no clue how to program anything like that.
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| 4 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:51
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Regarding the claim - why not take a shot? You know Vince is in love with big men, and if he has such an "extensive resume" with a "highly regarded amateur background", knows judo, etc. then, as noted on wwe.com, he's quite a prospect. Add the fact that he's russian and perhaps you have the anti-Lashley so instead of Mohammed Hassan you can have a 21st century Nikolai Volkoff.
wwe.com is not independent wrestling news dot com. I don't see why pumping up a guy that is going to TNA is good for WWE business. As Vince said in the USA Homecoming Special, he takes business VERY personally. I can't see him allowing his own website to promote someone who might star for his competitor. If I miss out on the next low to mid-carder because I'm taking a chance on another Lesnar, so be it.
I would support any working blind waiver system. It would likely engender a lot more speculative claims as soon as news/rumors/etc come out, as well as get more of us reading more sites to keep up.
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| 5 | Tree
Sustainer
ID: 599393013
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:56
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wwe.com is not independent wrestling news dot com. I don't see why pumping up a guy that is going to TNA is good for WWE business.
to me, it was the WWE just making waves on a slow news day, and implying that Jeff Jarrett was also at WWE HQ.
as for the above, i'd have no problem with a blind system, but i'm very much opposed to the number 10 priority idea...
another issue with any of this, as some of us have seen in the PoliFootball league, is sometimes, emails don't arrive at their destinations or they end up in a junk mail/bulk folder, etc etc.
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| 6 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 12:52
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In all honesty, I've always felt we should abolish the "waiver" stuff outright. Shouldn't all the available wrestlers be "free agents" that can be signed immediately? It would alleviate this mess. I know some have said they are at a disadvantage because they don't follow things as much. But the waiver stuff gives us the ability to steal wrestlers we've never heard of----which isn't right either.
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| 7 | Tree
Sustainer
ID: 599393013
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 14:01
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please. in baseball, teams trump other teams all the time on the waiver wire to prevent trades from going through.
why not here?
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| 8 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 09:18
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I can live with it the way it is or go with #2.
And I agree that every single one of us has had a bid covered by someone else.
Would not be up for doing away with waivers and going to an FA arrangement.
Cliff
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| 9 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 499233122
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 00:42
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IMHO, I think too much is being made of this issue. The waiver claim system that is in place now is actually quite good and works very well for all of us. Admittedly, there are times when a person becomes "trumped"...but so what? We've all been there. There's nothing unfair about that!
I like the fact that you do have to use a little bit of strategy in making a waiver claim. Part of the charm is trying to decide when to pick up a potential wrestler or whether it'd be best to save your claim until a later date hoping that a better selection becomes more obvious.
As to Tree's argument in point 7 above, I wholeheartedly concur. Correct me if I'm wrong though but in baseball doesn't the team with the worst record reserve the right to pick up any free agent first? If so, I believe our league's waiver claim system would work better if the owner in last place in the standings would have the option to make a claim first.
However, since the standings change from week to week this is probably unrealistic. Just something to think about though.
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| 10 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 08:12
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One of the main reasons I started this thread, besides trying to get the discussion out of the actual waiver thread, was for brainstorming. I figured we'd be back at square 1 afterwards. I didn't expect to put any ideas out there, since at the time, I didn't have any. As I typed, I threw a couple out.
But this is where our discussion has always led. And this is why our system is the way it is, and likely will remain so, until someone comes up with a better idea.
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