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Subject: ECW Returns
Posted by: Great One
- [523121411] Sun, Apr 23, 2006, 23:03
As reported here earlier, news has broken that WWE is planning on bringing back the ECW brand as a regular, full-time promotion later this year.
More information has become available regarding this major story:
* The official decision to bring ECW back was said to be finalized in the last week or so.
* WWE is not looking to add a third day to their television schedule. Dave Meltzer reports that it would likely be handled similar to the Superastros deal in the late 90s, with weekly matches taped before either the Raw or Smackdown tapings.
* The ECW roster will feature a mix of both former ECW personalities and new WWE developmental wrestlers who have been working house shows under Paul Heyman. There are several members of the TNA roster that have been talked about as being prime candidates for ECW contracts when the time is right.
* Paul Heyman he will be in charge of the ECW brand, who will be booking, along with Tommy Dreamer. The McMahons are not believed to be part of the creative process.
* The plan is to run house shows and some form of weekly television as well as well. Should ECW secure regular television time, expect Joey Styles to be involved.
* As of now, there are two ECW PPVs scheduled - One Night Stand 2 (June '06) and One Night Stand 3 (June '07). It is quite possible there will be more ECW PPVs added to their annual lineup when the promotion goes full-time. |
| 1 | Great One
ID: 523121411
Sun, Apr 23, 2006, 23:04
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Dave Scherer is reporting that WWE has made the decision to bring back Extreme Championship Wrestling as a full time entity. While all of the details remain sketchy, WWE has already sent contracts out to several former ECW talents in order to bring them in for the return of the promotion. Early reports indicate that WWE is targeting September as the date to bring ECW back full time.
There is a possibility that it will take over current OVW territory and would get matches on RAW and/or SmackDown in some manner. Former ECW owner Paul Heyman and hardcore legend Tommy Dreamer will be booking ECW.
As mentioned, the contracts that WWE have sent out are three year deals consisting of a series of one year contracts, with rollover clauses. Names that we can confirm that have been offered deals include The Sandman, Francine, and Balls Mahoney. All three of them should receive their contracts this wee
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| 2 | Tree
ID: 5731244
Mon, Apr 24, 2006, 06:03
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a year ago, this made sense. ECW nostalgia was at an all-time high.
now, it reeks of "getting the band back together" one more time...
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| 3 | Great One
ID: 48359248
Mon, Apr 24, 2006, 10:59
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At the TNA PPV last night - AJ Styles did a spot where he jumped off the top of the ladder through a table. Thats cool. What made it cooler was the table and ladder WERE ON TOP OF THE CAGE. Imagine a ladder spot on top of Hell in a Cell?! lol...
Also, Chrissy Hemme debuts, LoKi returned and Raven returned.
ECW! ECW!
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| 4 | Great One
ID: 40337257
Tue, Apr 25, 2006, 09:37
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Tree, I'd say you are probably right, considering nobody else has even bothered to post a --- Hey thats cool!! --- or anything else...
According to his booking agent Corey Phillips, Sabu has signed a one year WWE deal
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| 5 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Tue, Apr 25, 2006, 13:38
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that's the other problem...i think the WWE is signing all the ECW oldtimers...which is great for them, that they finally get a payday...
but Balls Mahoney vs. Axl Rotten isn't exactly going to cut it anymore...
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| 6 | Great One
ID: 253522511
Tue, Apr 25, 2006, 13:52
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I think the idea behind it is the old time ECW guys mixed with developmental talent and used as a way to get developmental guys over on TV so when they officially debut on RAW or SD people will know them and the anticipation will be greater.
I think this could be big for a guy like Punk as Heyman (and Dreamer) is booking and obviously loves him. We saw what Punk could do with Raven in ROH - there are a lot more fueds to explore with the other extreme guys as well.
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| 7 | Great One
ID: 543532511
Tue, Apr 25, 2006, 13:53
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I am surprised we haven't heard a word from Mike ECfnW D.
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| 8 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Apr 25, 2006, 14:39
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Mike ECfnW D can't post while he is still in contract negotiations with Heyman to help book and write storylines.
Cliff
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| 9 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Tue, Apr 25, 2006, 15:19
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what i'm hearing is that they're not currently planning on mixing the ECW guys with developmental guys...
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| 10 | Great One
ID: 323262513
Tue, Apr 25, 2006, 15:26
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And would a guy like RVD disappear from WWE and return to ECW? This could have be complicated. (I would have put WWE and ECW in quotations but that throws off my ability to post in this program).
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| 11 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Tue, Apr 25, 2006, 17:10
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you expect the WWE to be logical?!?!
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| 12 | Mike ECfnW D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Apr 25, 2006, 21:55
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I wasn't real excited, kinda like Tree was saying, until I read this:
SABU SIGNS WITH WWE FOR ECW
- Sabu is the first one to jump from TNA to ECW, as the former two time ECW world champion signed a contract to form the new ECW and even clears the way to appear on the upcoming 'One Night Stand' PPV this June. 'The suicidal,
homicidal, genocidal, death-defying' Sabu wrestled his last match for TNA on Sunday and signed the contract immediately afterwards. He signed the standard one year contract with an option to renew for two more years.
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| 13 | boogeyman
ID: 32445518
Fri, May 05, 2006, 20:54
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hi im back you might remember me from the snme forum anyway i heard the rvd will cash his money in bank for rey mysterio's world heavywieght at ecw one night stand and if he wins ( witch he will RVD, RVD ,RVD,) he'll change to ecw heavywieght championship.
now that's cool
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| 14 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, May 05, 2006, 21:52
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Because he's the whole f'n show
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| 15 | boogeyman
ID: 3542660
Sat, May 06, 2006, 02:26
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im sory it's just that i never seen a ecw episode sure i saw wwf invasion but not the real thing, but im really excited of the upcoming ecw and hoping it will be on a channel so i can see in the comfort of my home. And before i end this i would like to say some encourageing words. ECW, ECW, ECW, ECW.
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| 16 | Tree
ID: 241665
Sat, May 06, 2006, 07:21
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i've already heard people comparing the new ECW with the Titanic, and i think that's really an unfair portrayal.
The Hindenburg is a *much* better example. In the Titanic, the captain went down with the ship, and VKM doesn't work that way.
but when he fails, he fails SPECTACULARLY (see the WBF, the XFL, etc etc) in a gigantic ball of tremendous flame.
so, i say stop already with the Titanic comparisons. it's just simply not fair.
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| 17 | boogeyman
ID: 2245469
Sat, May 06, 2006, 11:54
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what in the world are you talking about i never used a titanic comparison to ecw that would give ecw a bad name and i would never do that. i mean come on ecw should be were wwe is today off the charts.
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| 18 | Tree
ID: 241665
Sat, May 06, 2006, 12:05
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ECW was a great thing. i was a big fan. i drove 9 hours to go the very first ECW PPV. i drove the same distance to see the legendary Born to Be Wired match.
what the WWE is bringing back is not ECW. it is VincECW.
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| 19 | boogeyman
ID: 2245469
Sat, May 06, 2006, 18:22
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i know that i'm just hoping it will will leave the show just the way it was (except change the station to usa).
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| 20 | slosh23
ID: 54857316
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 01:17
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Eh .. bringing this to the top because I think we need to make a decision about how to handle the ECW. We have already voted to not include the One Night Stand PPV but I think we need to address the ECW workers especially since 2 normal superstars have been 'drafted'. I don't have a real suggestion on what to do but since the ECW will have Angle and RVD we may need to consider how/what we are going to score.
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| 21 | Tree
ID: 2353315
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 06:34
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i think we already voted not to include a new ECW TV show in the scoring.
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| 22 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 06:53
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We did. If this is really going to fly though we should consider modifying things, even for this season. Not sure if it will work though. Supplemental draft maybe.
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| 23 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 18:25
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this is going to be a real problem for anyone who has a guy get drafted to ECW. The Angle and RVD owners are already in the hole and there will be more.
I really wouldn't be thrilled to start scoring the ECW show (for the league, not because I personally wouldn't score it) but at the same time its a big handicap if your wrestler gets moved to the other show.
Anyone have an alternative idea? Maybe everybody gets 1 ECW guy? And cap the number of waiver type moves you can make each season on ECW guys? That way nobody can just switch ECW guys each week to rack up points.
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| 24 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 18:36
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This is why I posted that clusterf**k post last week. Who knows wtf WWE will do? Plus we have drug suspensions, injuries - it's all a mess.
I say: Start over and REDRAFT! ;-)
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| 25 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 19:47
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No way, not when I finally built something.
Cliff
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| 26 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 20:28
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I'm all for it Species!!!!! Haha!
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| 27 | Tree
ID: 52536119
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 20:38
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but at the same time its a big handicap if your wrestler gets moved to the other show.
or gets injured, or gets fired, or gets Ortoned...it's the breaks of the game. i don't like changing things in mid-season.
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| 28 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 21:12
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I definately understand Tree. The problem is getting fired, injured, or Orton'd is much different than getting moved to an alternate "brand" that isn't scored in our league.
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| 29 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 21:35
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I'm fine either way. I "guess" it's like the old days of WCW v WWE, and guys did go from one brand to another, which could hurt an owner anytime.....
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| 30 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 21:47
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I really think we may have to reopen a vote because its much different than the original vote.
The original vote said only 1NightStand. But now there is a new show and guys changing brands. So we may be forced to acknowledge it because we know there will be periodic defections to other brands.
And if we reopen a vote we'd have to come up with guidelines on how to score and how to adjust rosters and such.
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| 31 | Tree
ID: 52536119
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 22:05
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The problem is getting fired, injured, or Orton'd is much different than getting moved to an alternate "brand" that isn't scored in our league.
how so? in all cases, the wrestler gets zero points. seems that it's not different at all.
i view it like this. a wrestler on Velocity or Heat doesn't get points. a wrestler on Raw or Smackdown, does.
ECW is just another show, like Velocity or Heat.
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| 32 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Thu, Jun 01, 2006, 22:10
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Tree, you are drunk if you are comparing Velocity and Heat, 2 shows shown on the internet and considering 2nd rate shows for their respective brands, to ECW shows, which is considering a 3rd brand, not a minor league show to another brand.
And please don't compare being fired or suspended to being moved to an alternate brand. That too is absurd.
And no, I don't have anybody who got moved to ECW.
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| 33 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 00:09
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I was definitely joking about a redraft....but I got the reaction I expected out of Mike D ;-)
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| 34 | Great One
ID: 523121411
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 00:15
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Redraft is to Mike D as "right here in Des Moines, Iowa" is to Mick Foley. Cheap pop.
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| 35 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 00:22
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Right here on Rotoguru!
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| 36 | Tree
ID: 1555325
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 06:58
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Tree, you are drunk if you are comparing Velocity and Heat, 2 shows shown on the internet and considering 2nd rate shows for their respective brands, to ECW shows, which is considering a 3rd brand, not a minor league show to another brand.
actually, i was referring to precedent, as opposed to the present, in regards to Velocity and Heat.
at one point, both Velocity and Heat were regular TV shows, on cable network TV. We didn't count them then. ECW is on the Sci-Fi network, and i don't believe we should count it, because traditionally, we have only counted the "big two" in Raw and Smackdown.
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| 37 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 55537123
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 07:21
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Notwithstanding, we all know that any superstar that ended up on Velocity and/or Heat could also have been included in that night's Raw or Smackdown. As far as I can tell, that won't be the case with ECW.
If you're on ECW, then obviously you're no longer in the "big two". However, a case could be made that ECW will be a much, much better and significant brand than either Velocity and/or Heat and furthermore, it may last for quite a while. (Does anybody know whether ECW will be a fixture on TV for a lengthy period of time?)
As such, it'll be, ahem, extremely difficult to just ignore ECW althogether as if it's another of VKM's magnificant genetic offspring. Seems to me that ECW will be a player but how much of a major player remains to be seen.
I would hate to see us having to add another show to be rated and such but I seriously doubt that the RVD and Angle defections to ECW will be the only ones from WWE.
Just my two cents...
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| 38 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 11:29
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I don't think we should count ECW either. I just think your poop-screwed if your wrestlers go over there, just as much if you're screwed if they have knee surgery, go on drug rehab, or get busted for roids.
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| 39 | wiggs
ID: 9430208
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 13:18
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I think we definately need to include ECW. The difference between ECW and WCW is the ECW wrestlers are still under WWE contracts. Who is to say that ECW wont be a better show then smackdown? Smackdown absolutely sucks and because it sucks so bad I have lost interest in this league all together. I would say if we dont count ECW as part of the scoring this will be my last season in this league. This is not a threat, but just a comment because I have lost interest in WWE.
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| 40 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 13:43
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the difference between ECW and WCW is the ECW wrestlers are still under WWE contracts.
so why didn't we count Velocity and Heat scores back in the day when they were on TV?
just a comment because I have lost interest in WWE.
with ya on that. i haven't watched a complete WWE show in a few years now, and i probably haven't watched RAW at all in 6 to 8 months.
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| 41 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 13:50
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Can the people who never say anything unless forced to actually give an opinion on the matter? I'd love to hear from everyone before we even consider any kind of vote or change.
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| 42 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 13:55
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I should probably be yelling the loudest, since I was stupid enough to draft Angle.
But, in the scope of things, I really don't know that it matters.
I really have no problem with leaving things the way they are.
Not sure of how long this will last anyway, so don't know if we would have much gain in turning everything upside down to fit with Vince running off on a tangent.
Just my $.02
Cliff
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| 43 | Great One
ID: 45522214
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 15:22
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I agree with Goat.
What about next wednesday's show on USA?
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| 44 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 16:58
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Re: Next Wed's show - I'd say that show is consistent with SNME as well as a Smackdown Live Special that we voted to score. If it's the 'main brand' and on one the main networks, it's worthy of being scored.
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| 45 | Great One
ID: 523121411
Fri, Jun 02, 2006, 18:25
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I agree.
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| 46 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 15:28
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Did we ever truly decide on this? The show is tonight!
As I note in #45. I view this similar to SNME. It's on the "main network" and seems worthy of being scored. Obviously we ought to decide before the show.
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