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Subject: Week 17 ECW Points
Posted by: Species
- Dude [07724916] Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 23:43
Armando Estrada 5
Chavo Guerrero 3+5+3=11
CM Punk 10+18=28
Colin Delaney 3
John Morrison 5+15=20
Kelly Kelly 30
Kofi Kingston 30
Layla 15
Lena Yada 3
Mark Henry 2+10+10=22
Mike Knox 15
Mike Mizanin 5+5=10
Rory Fox 15
Stevie Richards 30
Tommy Dreamer 30
Notes:
- My DVR cut off so I didn't see if Chavo interfered in the match. After the DQ, Chavo encouraged Henry to beat down Punk, and ended up taking a GTS. I counted it as 3 for a ringside appearance, as best I could tell he did not interfere.
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| 1 | Great One
ID: 27154129
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 09:05
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Wouldn't attempting to beat down Punk post match be all inclusive of a full 5 point interference?
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| 2 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 10:32
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Just a few things I had differently..
Delaney would get 5 total for getting mugged at the end.
Tazz and Styles get 2 each for hosting.
Chavo gets 13 total (5 instead of 3 for the end of the show)
So...
Colin Delaney 5 points total
Tazz 2 points total
Joey Styles 2 points total
Chavo 13 points total
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| 3 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 10:33
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Current top 4' for the week.
wiggs 102
GO 83
Farn 78
Species 43
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| 4 | wiggs
ID: 6825712
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 10:34
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yeah baby, closing the lead :)
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| 5 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 10:36
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i love your positivity wiggs. :)
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| 6 | wiggs
ID: 6825712
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 10:49
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with a job like i have u always look for the silver lining. Tell me again why I finished my teaching degree? This job sucks.
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| 7 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 11:50
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I must be waaaaaaaaaaaaay off on our definition of interference, which in my recollection (and quoted from the rules when we briefly debated a Santino interference interpretation) has to do with causing damage to another wrestler in a match (a move/strike/stomp) or causing sufficient distraction of a referee or wrestler to allow another wrestler to gain an advantage. Can someone explain to me exactly how Chavo Guerrero interfered by our definition?
If it isn't interference, how is a post-match beatdown a "promo"? I firmly believe we have never awarded additional points to match participants for post-decision physical activity - say the Hardy vs. Orton swanton off the scaffolding scene. In that example, it's perhaps an imperfection in our rules that the DQ result of the match, which took all of 2 seconds, got points while the 5 minute brawl culminating in a sick spot gets nothing - but them's the rules.
As best I can remember, when a wrestler not involved in a match (i.e. Chavo in this case) does not interfere but does something after the match that does NOT involve a "promo" (i.e., using the mic), I don't recall awarding points.
I swear I'm not bringing this up over the awarding of 2 points - I do not believe the season will come down to that - but I want to score accurately.
Thoughts and opinions please.
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| 8 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 11:59
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.....and assuming spoilers are correct, totals for the week are approximately:
Species 153
Great One 140
wiggs 132
Farn 88
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| 9 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 12:08
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Species, in the years I've scored a postmatch beatdown has always been 5 points.
There is no way you can give just 3 points as a valet when a guy comes into the ring postmatch and gets beatdown. By getting beat up he is promoting a match or rivalry. That's why I have always scored it as such.
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| 10 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 12:31
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Ok.
I've possibly missed some then.
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| 11 | Great One
ID: 27154129
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 13:15
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Yeah, if you are seperating things like that... it could be argued that he was a valet for the match (+3) and then had a run-in seperately (another +5) which is definitely not the case.
To me his level of interference was all encompassing - before the bell, during the match, after the bell - which is why we rolled it up into a single +5.
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