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0 Subject: Week 20 Raw Points

Posted by: Farn
- Leader [451044109] Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 10:46

  Points        
Alicia Fox 0        
Armando Alej. Estrada 0        
Ashley 0        
Atlas Ortiz 0        
Balls Mahoney 0        
Bam Neely 0        
Batista 37 30 2 5  
Beth Phoenix 5 5      
Big Daddy V 0        
Big Show 0        
Boogeyman 0        
Braden Walker 0        
Brian Kendrick 0        
Candice 0        
Carlito 0        
Charlie Haas 0        
Chavo Guerrero 0        
Cherry 0        
Chris Jericho 48 3 5 30 10
Chuck Palumbo 0        
CM Punk 27 2 15 10  
Cody Rhodes 12 12      
Colin Delaney 0        
Curt Hawkins 0        
Deuce Shade 0        
Domino 0        
Dusty Rhodes 0        
D'Lo Brown 23 18 5    
Edge 0        
Elijah Burke 0        
Evan Bourne 0        
Eve Torres 0        
Ezekiel 0        
Festus 0        
Fit Finlay 0        
Funaki 0        
Gene Snitsky 0        
Great Khali 0        
Gregory Helms 0        
Hacksaw Duggan 0        
Hardcore Holly 0        
Harry Smith 0        
Hornswaggle 0        
Jamie Noble 15 15      
JBL 30 30      
Jeff Hardy 0        
Jerry Lawler 2 2      
Jesse 0        
Jillian Hall 12 12      
Jim Ross 0        
Jimmy Snuka 0        
Jimmy Wang Yang 0        
Joey Styles 0        
John Cena 32 2 30    
John Morrison 0        
JTG 5 5      
Kane 7 2 5    
Katie Burchill 12 12      
Kelly Kelly 25 25      
Ken Dykstra 0        
Ken Kennedy 0        
Kofi Kingston 5 5      
Lance Cade 5 5      
Layla 0        
Lena Yada 0        
Lillian Garcia 0        
Maria 0        
Mark Henry 0        
Maryse Ouellet 0        
Matt Hardy 0        
Matt Striker 0        
Melina 0        
Michael Cole 2 2      
Michelle McCool 0        
Mike Adamle 7 2 5    
Mick Foley 0        
Mickie James 25 25      
Mike Knox 0        
Mike Mizanin 0        
MVP 0        
Nattie Niedhart 0        
Nunzio 0        
Paul Burchill 15 15      
Paul London 0        
Randy Orton 0        
Ranjin Singh 0        
Rey Mysterio 0        
Ric Flair 0        
Robbie McAllistor 0        
Roddy Piper 0        
Ron Killings 0        
Ron Simmons 0        
Rory McAllistor 0        
Ryan Braddock 0        
Santino Marella 20 10 10    
Scotty Goldman 0        
Sgt Slaughter 0        
Shad Gaspard 5 5      
Shane McMahon 0        
Shannon Moore 0        
Shawn Michaels 0        
Shelton Benjamin 0        
Stephanie McMahon 0        
Stevie Richards 0        
Stone Cold 0        
Super Crazy 0        
Tazz 0        
Ted Dibiase Jr. 12 12      
Theodore Long 0        
Tiffany 0        
Todd Grisham 0        
Tommy Dreamer 0        
Tony Atlas 0        
Triple H 0        
Umaga 0        
Undertaker 0        
Val Venis 0        
Vickie Guerrero 0        
Victoria 0        
Vince McMahon 0        
Vladimir Kozlov 0        
William Regal 0        
Zack Ryder 0        
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  0        
Total 388
1Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 10:46
Primo COlon +2
2Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 10:47
  Season Week PPV Raw
Farn 3540 227 192 35
Species 3633 172 101 71
Bobo 2519 17 0 17
Wiggs 2265 60 5 55
Rude 2249 122 77 45
Goatlocker 1441 61 36 25
Mike D 3061 109 49 60
Great One 1735 54 34 20
Tree 1932 49 44 5
Zyre 3475 247 215 32
3Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 10:48
Carlito's brother has more TV time (3 secs) in the past 2 months than Carlito. Well done WWE.
4Great One
      ID: 497221412
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 10:51
Why exactly do we have Y2J pin Punk? in his hometown? killing all championship momentum? when Y2J couldn't even get on the PPV?
5Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 11:01
agreed.

Why do we have JBL still in the title picture?
Why did Batista interupt Kane? Wouldn't that be Rey's job?
Why did we get 3 secs of Primo? To lower his level to the same of Carlito?
Why did D'Lo get a title shot?


After a few decent weeks we get back to the old "throw it together" booking.
6Great One
      ID: 497221412
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 11:31
And there was a simple way to give meaning to some of the other matches.... we have 4 guys in the "Championship Scramble" along with Punk.

So why not pick 8 guys have 4 qualifying matches over the next few weeks? A simple way to give some value to random matches.
Or even 16 guys in a mini-tourney the next 2-3 weeks.
You could have the same final result with those 4 getting in, but you aren't just treading water til then and can use it to further storylines (i.e. HBK does a run-in and costs Y2J his qualifying match).
7Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 11:46
Now GO, that's just the kind of advanced planning that would prevent you from being a WWE writer.
8Great One
      ID: 497221412
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 12:28
want to see more examples of how great they are? 411 review of Summerslam...

ECW Championship: Matt Hardy def. Mark Henry (c) via DQ (Bullsh.t)
Seriously? 20 seconds of action followed by a DQ finish? Really WWE? REALLY?!

How much of a b!tch does Mark Henry look like? Not only did he take a Twist of Fate in less than 30 seconds, but he then got his ass kicked post-match too. And then as if b!tching out Henry wasn't bad enough, they bury Matt Hardy as well by having Jeff run out to make the save, and play HIS music when the Hardys stand victorious.

Everything about this was awful. Good thing they made that shiny new belt for ECW just so they should $h!t all over it.
9Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 18:12
I'll try to watch RAW about this Scramble, but per my WO newsletter:

Five participants will be taking place in this
match which is set for Unforgiven and these are the current champion CM Punk, JBL, Kane, Batista and John Cena. The match will last 20 minutes and anyone who scores a pinfall or submission during that duration will become the new champion


So, if Kane pins someone in minute 3, he wins the championship (for 30+50), then Batista pins him (30+50) etc etc until the LAST person with a pin/submission wins and becomes champion before the 20 minutes is up.........right?

So there could be multiple title switches in this one match, right??
10Greg Rude
      ID: 20751523
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 19:24
So, if Kane pins someone in minute 3, he wins the championship (for 30+50), then Batista pins him (30+50) etc etc until the LAST person with a pin/submission wins and becomes champion before the 20 minutes is up.........right?

So there could be multiple title switches in this one match, right??


At the end, in the official books (do they have that?) are they going to say (ex.) Batista was champion, then Kane, then so and so, then so and so ... all in the same night? Or will they just go by who ends up with it? Just sounds a lot like the old Hardcore title matches that were set time limits. Big Bossman FTW !
11 Zyre
      ID: 47349132
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 19:47
I would guess if they are officially recognized title changes (per WWE) then each change is points but there is only 1 match.
12Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 20:08
To paraphrase what Adamle said:

- When someone scores a pinfall or submission, they will immediately be recognized as the new champion.....until another pinfall or submission is recorded, when THAT participant will be recognized as the new champion.

- He specifically said he expects "the title to change hands multiple times"

- The last person to be champion when the 20 minutes is up keeps the title

We need to have a consensus, but I think it's perfectly clear that each pinfall or submission is indeed a title change.

That being said, I agree that it's one match. So Punk would be the only one to get defense points, and everyone gets one set of "Championship Match" points. If Kane (for example) wins first, he doesn't get defense points when he loses to JBL....etc etc............right??

But now that I think about it, if we have only 1 match, I was wrong to say each pin in the match would result in 30+50.....I would interpret it in this fashion:

1 - The final winner, scoring the last pinfall/submission, gets 30 for the win
2 - Everyone gets championship match points
3 - Any changes of the titles should result in a 50 point championship win in the midst of the match........but not a match win as it's all 1 match and the final person to leave with the title wins the match

Discussion please.
13 Zyre
      ID: 47349132
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 20:45
- The championship can change hands several times throughout the 20 minute time frame. Whoever the champion is when the clock stops will officially be recognized as the World Heavyweight Champion.~

That is from the WWE website so I don't see the title changes as perfectly clear unless they are each recognized by the WWE title history after the match. It makes it sound like musical chairs in that whomever hold the title when the music stops is the champion as opposed to winning the title and getting your arm raised. I still think it comes down to how the WWE recognizes any title changes that may occur during the 20 minutes,
14Great One
      ID: 10658208
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 23:00
Yeah, like if Flair was in the match got the first pin and then subsequently lost it... but afterwards they started to claim he was 17 time world champion. Then obviously its an official title win.

Personally I feel its gonna more like musical chairs as Zyre suggests and its just gonna be the one final win at the end.
15Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 23:23
After reading the Smackdown spoilers I cry "uncle" and award Zyre the RWF title! lol Geez he is on fire right now.
16Greg Rude
      ID: 20751523
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 23:33
I would never ask this of anyone, and I would try to do it myself if I kept up with Smackdown more ... but it would be cool if we also kept wrestler's records. Like you could see someone went 22-12-4 in a particular season or something. lol !
17 Zyre
      ID: 47349132
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 23:52
Yeah I agree about the records Rude, seems like I saw them one time compiled for a year's worth of shows, might have been on PWInsider at some point.
18Great One
      ID: 10658208
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 00:15
and there ya go... via 411

Note on who will be recognized as Champion...

- According to WWE.com, the title can change hands many times during the Championship Scramble but only the final winner of the match will be recognized as the new champion, not all the people who may "win" the title during the scramble itself.
19Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 00:19
I could be wrong but I actually think I heard Adamle say "whoever has it last will be the one recognized as champion" and indicated the others will never count as champion.
20Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 00:44
Okay.........I'm in agreement with that interpretation
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