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0 Subject: Season 13 News & Discussion

Posted by: Great One
- [497221412] Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 10:36

courtesty of 411
Here are the draft moves that were made during today's Supplemental Draft:

* Ken Kennedy: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Shad Gaspard: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* Alicia Fox: Drafted from ECW to Smackdown
* Primo Colon: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Mike Knox: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown

* Ezekiel Jackson: Drafted from Smackdown to ECW
* Nikki Bella: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Candice Michelle: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* Zack Ryder: Drafted from Smackdown to ECW
* Chavo Guerrero: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw

* Ricky Ortiz: Drafted from ECW to Smackdown
* Layla: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* Hornswoggle: Drafted from ECW to Raw
* DH Smith: Drafted from Smackdown to ECW
* John Morrison: Drafted from ECW to Smackdown

* Carlito Colon: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Natalya: Drafted from Smackdown to ECW
* Festus: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* JTG: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* Dolph Ziggler: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown

* THE Brian Kendrick: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Charlie Haas: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* Hurricane Helms: Drafted from Smackdown to ECW
* Brie Bella: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw

- Here are the new updated WWE rosters, reflecting the changes made during today's Supplemental Draft:

MONDAY NIGHT RAW:
* Ken Kennedy: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Primo Colon: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Nikki Bella: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Chavo Guerrero: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Hornswoggle: Drafted from ECW to Raw
* Carlito Colon : Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Festus: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* THE Brian Kendrick: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* Brie Bella: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
* US Champion MVP
* The Big Show
* Matt Hardy
* WWE Champion HHH
* The Miz
* WWE Diva's Champion Maryse
* Batista
* Beth Phoenix
* Cody Rhodes
* Goldust
* Hacksaw Jim Duggan
* Jamie Noble
* Jerry Lawler
* Jillian
* John Cena (World Champion)
* Kelly Kelly
* Kofi Kingston
* Lilian Garcia
* Michael Cole
* Mickie James
* Randy Orton
* Rosa Mendes
* Santino Marella
* Shawn Michaels
* Sim Snuka
* Ted DiBiase
* Vickie Guerrero
* William Regal


FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN:
* Shad Gaspard: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* Alicia Fox: Drafted from ECW to Smackdown
* Mike Knox: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* Candice Michelle: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* Ricky Ortiz: Drafted from ECW to Smackdown
* Layla: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* John Morrison: Drafted from ECW to Smackdown
* JTG: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* Dolph Ziggler: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* Charlie Haas: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
* WWE Women's Champion Melina
* Mr. Money in the Bank CM Punk
* Kane
* Chris Jericho
* WWE IC Champion Rey Mysterio
* Curt Hawkins
* Edge
* Eve
* Gail Kim
* Jeff Hardy
* Jesse
* Jim Ross
* Jimmy Wang Yang
* Justin Roberts
* Kung Fu Naki
* Maria
* Michelle McCool
* R-Truth
* Ranjin Singh
* Shelton Benjamin
* The Great Khali
* Theodore Long
* Umaga
* Undertaker


ECW ON SCI-FI:
* Ezekiel Jackson: Drafted from Smackdown to ECW
* Zack Ryder: Drafted from Smackdown to ECW
* DH Smith: Drafted from Smackdown to ECW
* Natalya: Drafted from Smackdown to ECW
* Hurricane Helms: Drafted from Smackdown to ECW
* Vladimir Kozlov
* Christian
* DJ Gabriel
* Evan Bourne
* Finlay
* Jack Swagger (ECW Champion)
* Katie Lea Burchill
* Mark Henry
* Matt Striker
* Paul Burchill
* Tiffany
* Todd Grisham
* Tommy Dreamer
* Tony Atlas
* Tony Chimel
* Tyson Kidd
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21Greg Rude
      ID: 38492315
      Tue, Jun 09, 2009, 13:15
I believe Macho Man forsaw Umaga's WWE demise a season ago...
22Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Sun, Jun 28, 2009, 10:33
As a heads-up I'm leaving town this afternoon until Wednesday afternoon.

If anyone is ordering the Bash and wants to score it feel free. You can email me the scoring if you'd like.

I can score Raw and ECW when I return.

If nobody sees the Bash I'll score that when I get back and grab it.
23Great One
      ID: 17459269
      Mon, Jun 29, 2009, 08:54
I can't see The Bash, but I'll send you ECW and RAW by Wednesday and that should help.
24 Zyre
      ID: 54519200
      Sat, Jul 04, 2009, 15:59
PWInsider is reporting the following after last might's ECW/Smackdown house show


"The Edge ankle injury is a torn Achilles heel tendon, something that depending on the severity, could keep him out of the ring until January 2010.
Obviously, WWE is going to have to figure out a plan to move the Unified Tag titles off of Edge and Chris Jericho shortly."
25Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Jul 04, 2009, 18:06
Cody Rhodes, who is for sale, might be a good replacement.......cough cough.
26Great One
      ID: 205282111
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 12:44
First of all, Achilles tendon freaks me out. Thats my nightmare injury. Makes me sick to my stomach.

And yes. Edge is going to have to be for sale for a good scorer I guess. But we are already frozen for this week so no need to do anything immediate I guess.

And actually, I wouldn't even mind selling him for draft picks for anyone with some first rounders. He'll certainly be better than anyone you could draft after the first couple picks.

27Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 13:09
its my favorite time of year: where players who are out of contention trade their top guys to an already loaded team without realizing that they are hurting not only themselves but the whole league.

I'm not singling anyone out because there are a few teams every season who pull it off. But honestly guys, after 13 seasons you should see how it works.

You trade your only good wrestler for a draft pick. That draft pick is useless because all the best guys are condensed on 2 or 3 teams. So if you don't have a top 3 pick you have another wasted season. And if you have a top 3 pick, well, you have another wasted season because once again you have 1 wrestler.

Please stop trading your only talent to a loaded team. When you do you allow them to carry over 5 or more beasts every season.
28Mike D
      ID: 8636512
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 13:36
Yeah I sat and watched it last year and resisted getting a piece of the action so far this year. There is a reason my team traditionally finishes anywhere from 3-5 and its because I typically don't mortgage either my season (finish worse) or my future picks (finish higher this year and way down the next).
29Great One
      ID: 205282111
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 13:44
Good point, maybe I should not move Edge for draft picks! haha..
30Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 14:16
Farn's post in 27 pretty much explains why i proposed a sort of re-set a couple of years ago.

the balance of power in this league is so top heavy, it's honestly not even fun for me anymore.

i mean, the 3rd place guy is nearly 1000 points behind the leader. the 5th place guy, nearly 1800 points behind.

The top two teams in this league, EACH, are currently outscoring the bottom three teams COMBINED.

GO has 5 of the top 9 scorers. yes, he's lost Edge, but Edge finishing inside the top 10 even if he's gone for the rest of the season, is quite likely. and last season Rude finished with 5 of the top 9.

only once by Week 11 in this league's history have we had a point difference between first and second place over 200 points, prior to this season.

this season, it's over 600 points at the end of week 11.

i'm not being critical of anyone. kudos to the teams who have built these world beaters in recent seasons.

but honestly, for me, it's not terribly fun anymore, and my interest in the WWE is actually the highest it's been in years.

anyway, that's my two cents, but i really feel we need to take steps to make this league be a little more competitive in future seasons.

31Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 14:25
I don't mind a reshuffle. Either that or we need smarter managers who stop giving away top scorers for zippo.

We have teams in this league that are at least 3 RWF seasons away from having a shot. No offense to Goatlocker but he's probably 3 seasons if there is a miracle. Species is slightly better off but realistically he's 3 seasons away too (no pity for him since he won his bounty of titles). Zyre actually has a decent roster but once again he has zero chance of winning a title without some breaks.

A reshuffle would be great but for some reason managers have always been against it.
32Great One
      ID: 205282111
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 14:31
Species has all first rounders next season I believe.
33Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 16:53
and i feel like if we do a re-shuffle of some sort, then we should also try to develop some sort of rules to prevent this from happening again, because if we don't, it will.

and if there is mass opposition to a total re-shuffle, maybe we can come up with some sort of modified version of keepers for this season.

various things that popped into my head:
2 keepers per team
a worst-to-first one round "expansion" draft, where everyone gets to draft a wrestler from someone else's roster. then, 3 keepers and a regular draft.

i dunno. just thinking outloud.
34Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 17:05
I would love to see it change to a 2 keepers per team per season league. We could see anyone win every single year.

As it stands right now realistically only 3 teams per year could really compete by the time the last draft pick is made. 2 keepers eliminates that.

I also know that some teams are so loaded right now they'd never want to see that. I have a decent squad but I'd gladly go to 2 keepers so the managers who disappear for months on end actually stay involved and this league becomes fun again.
35Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 17:22
i also wonder if a 2 keepers/5 starters/7 wrestlers would also stir things up.

or heck, to be honest, 2/4/6. i think that would keep things exciting in that you would have to choose your roster wisely each week, you would have to pay attention to the waiver wire, and so on and so forth.

the fact of the matter, right now we have 80 wrestlers on rosters. only 88 wrestlers have even scored this season, and not even 60 (hence, the 6 per roster) have scored 100 points.

and i think if we do the 2 keeper thing, you get to keep whoever you want, and not lose your top scoring guy.

anyway, not sure if i like 2/4/6 or 2/5/7 or maybe 2/5/6 or 2/4/7 lol better, but i do like modifying our rosters...

36Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 17:27
I like the 2/4/6 and keeping your top scorer. Yes, it might keep guys like HHH or Cena on a roster forever but with only 2 keepers everyone would have a good roster every year and injuries would make it tough to predict even with guys like HHH staying on a roster.
37Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 17:39
Even with 4 1st rounders next year, I am open to a re-draft and updating of our rules to bring more equality and competitiveness to the league.
38Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 17:41
the more I think about it the more I'd prefer a 2/4/6 but no retention of top scorers. Retirement could mess up the possibility of keeping a top scorer. On top of that there is something exciting about having a chance to land one of the top 3 or 4 names in the league each year.

So I'd say a 2/4/6 with no top scorer as a keeper. Would make it topsy turvy every year and bring real excitment to the league.
39Greg Rude
      ID: 405122015
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 19:25
The good thing is there are 10 managers and if the majority vote passes, it's generally good for the league. I wouldn't mind adding a 3/5/7 option for now, with the chance to review in a season or two about moving to the 2/4/6.
40 GO on G1
      ID: 4867520
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 21:08
I don't think shrinking starting rosters would help I think the
more starters the better especially with the extra show and
new talent getting time on ecw and superstars.
41Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 21:24
The debate to change rules and such is really useless unless everyone agrees unanimously. We can't force people to accept a ruling because 6 managers want it.

I'm guessing its really only an issue for 2 managers because the rest have either already said they are on board or they have a lousy team and there is no way they'd argue against fixing a broken system.

So either everyone agrees or we stick to the current plan and about 2 managers a year have fun.
42 Zyre
      ID: 40837220
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 21:46
I think reducing the size of the rosters and especially the starting limeups would help with competitive balance. Doing a quick count of "wrestlers" that could be counted on to at least score points semi regularly I counted 58 and I included MIA people like Taker and Michaels. So there are a lot of crap on all our rosters as a result. I like the idea of the 2/5/7 setup myself and think anything we do to keep people interested and having fun is a good thing.
43Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 22:53
I don't think shrinking starting rosters would help I think the
more starters the better especially with the extra show and
new talent getting time on ecw and superstars.


see, that's the reason i want LESS starters. because it'll really force us to make decisions on a weekly basis.
44wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 00:32
I wouldnt mind a reshuffle- but I would totally against shrinking the roster size- I think with less starters the league would be boring.
45Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 01:14
less starters and a smaller roster means a bigger free agent pool of talent. that ADDS to the excitement...
46Great One
      ID: 17459269
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 08:48
Yeah, I don't see the excitement either in having a bunch of talent sitting out there on the free agent wire when they could be scoring points for somebody.
47Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 09:25
Yeah, I don't see the excitement either in having a bunch of talent sitting out there on the free agent wire when they could be scoring points for somebody.

knocking the roster size down from 8 to 7 gives us 70 active wrestles. as of the last scores posted, there are 88 wrestlers who have scored points.

presuming every team filled every slot with a scorer, that would leave 18 wrestlers without a home. so far, those 18 wrestlers have scored a combined 612 points - an average of 34 points each.

adding a few more wrestlers to that pool will force us to be more proactive with our rosters. it might force you to choose between someone on your roster not scoring as well as you'd hoped vs. someone on the waiver wire who seems on a hot streak.

it will actually put some decision making into the process instead of plug and play. there may be more shows and more scoring, but it's the same wrestlers doing all that scoring.

The top 10 wrestlers have scored 33 percent of all points. a slight decrease in the roster will add a tad more variety to what's out there, and won't have an huge impact on our scores, but will give the opportunity for that occasional plum.
48Great One
      ID: 17459269
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 09:43
Alright, but think about this - the only spot anyone has been making up ground on me this season? my sixth starting roster spot. Cause I can't seem to find a sixth scorer. If we take that away, I'd be even further ahead of everybody. And if there was more decent talent on the waiver wire, I wouldn't have had trouble filling it.
49Great One
      ID: 17459269
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 09:48
Also, the empty spot has forced me to consider selling a top guy to fill two holes with tier 2 talents (like Rude had to with Cena). With a shorter starting lineup, there is no motivation to do that, cause I can always go find something for free or wouldn't even need to bother since I'd have a starting lineup with no holes.
50GoatLocker
      ID: 568552610
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 10:21
2-4-6 works for me and the re-shuffle.
We can always add later if we find the need, but think that is a good starting number.
51Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 11:16
GO, you are right. Making you start one less guy would be a joke. But to be honest anyone who thinks keeping the system the same or dropping one starter doesn't see their is a problem anyway.

Let me put it bluntly folks: if any of you think you will be competing with GO any time soon you are crazy. His ability keep all these guys every season and replenish with lopsided trades has taken away any joy in this league. This league needs a fresh start with a fresh concept or it will die slowly. I know that because my interest in scoring is about gone. I have the 3rd or 4th best team in the league and I'm bored out of my mind. And next year will be the same because GO will swindle somebody in the next few weeks and continue to have 5 top scorers and carry over 4 of them for next year. The yawning will continue and I'll begin ignoring the scoring of shows.

Up to you guys but if you want to continue to have zero fun with this league maintain the status quo.
52Great One
      ID: 17459269
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 11:27
I wasn't saying status quo, but I don't see how shortening the starting lineups is going to help. I could see less keepers even though it blows up my planning for this "offseason".

I also think a limit on how far out we can trade draft picks should be on the table. (For some reason I feel like Obama looking back at Bush...) I think this all started to go wrong the season like a year ago when people were trading like 4 seasons ahead and now the cupboard is bare so to speak.

53Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 11:31
I think the only idea that works is Tree's.

2 keepers, 4 starters, 6 total on roster. We get tons of turnover. Every year people basically start fresh and have a chance.

And we know about your offseason planning. Each season, and subsequent offseason, you manage to take advantage of a manager who doesn't see long term and you end up with a loaded roster. :)
54Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 11:32
which is why i proposed the change. i suspect this league could lose anywhere between 2 and 4 owners after this season without trying something new.

i totally feel for GO and Wiggs and the guys who have built good teams. you guys have done well for your squad. but at this point for me, it's going through the motions, which, like i said, is kind of funny because i'm actually watching Smackdown whenever i'm home now, instead of ignoring it like i used to.

i do think 2/4/6 is best for the league, with goatlocker's idea to increase to 7 if we see the need.

various things speak to the stagnancy of this league, from Species (who has FOUR first round picks next season) saying he'd be ok with a re-draft to the fact that Goatlocker has THREE people on his roster that aren't even in the WWE system anymore.

i won't speak for GL, but i'm sure part of that reason is because "what's the point?" as making a roster move isn't going to any good considering the slim pickings currently on the waiver wire.

increasing the pool on the waiver wire might make it a bit more easier to recover when your wrestlers get injured or released.
55Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 11:42
For me the thought of a re-draft and modification in the rules is definitely a "greater good" perspective. While it would be exciting to have 2 of the top 3 picks and 4 first rounders total, it would be VERY refreshing to have a new start for EVERYONE and add some parity to the league.

Yes, cries of "but I built up for this season for years" are fair cries......but screw it. The league is broken and it needs fixing. Those who have, including me in a way, ought to sacrifice for the greater good.
56Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 11:47
Well, with Species sentiment, its one down, one to go really.


Btw Species, if it helps your chances of beating GO next year wouldn't be great anyway. You'd retain Ziggler as your only wrestler of value. Your 2 top picks would be good. But your bottom first round guys wouldn't be enough to overtake the GO stable.

But its good to see your greater good sentiment. We are on the right track.
57Great One
      ID: 17459269
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 11:54
One thing that might help is tweaking the waiver system. Perhaps adding regular FA adds/drops for players that are active and waivers only for debuts and callups.
58Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 12:22
One thing that might help is tweaking the waiver system. Perhaps adding regular FA adds/drops for players that are active and waivers only for debuts and callups.

An idea worth exploring.... we would have to define 'debuts and callups' --- is it ONLY when they appear on TV? That would seem the 'cleanest' as opposed to which wrestling site has it up first.
59Great One
      ID: 065867
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 12:26
Not sure where I am ripping people off, usually I overpay. And every deal done has been with RWF originals last two seasons.

Sold Punk for a 1st in Season 12 draft w/ Species
Ziggler + 1st + 2nd for Batista w/ Species
Bourne + Helms + 1st for Kofi + Ted w/ Wiggs
Batista +2nd for Edge w/ Farn
Ted Jr. for Swagger w/ Wiggs
Kofi + Hardy for Orton w/ Tree
Umaga + Zeke for Punk w/ Cliff

I claimed Ziggler, Bourne, Zeke and Helms when nobody else wanted them. Also traded down out of JBL draft pick into John Morrison last season which was big.

The only that has been big in my favor has been the Punk for Umaga deal and it was pretty balanced at the time since they were both midcarders and even fueded with each other after Punk got out of purgatory in the draft - but Umaga got a drug release. And Zeke is starting an ECW squash push this week and was a huge upgrade in Cliff's 4th spot. It was a no risk move from Cliffs perspective though because Punk was a top scorer anyway so it essentially was Shelton or Chavo (top scorer) for Umaga + Zeke which was a good risk for him.
60Great One
      ID: 065867
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 12:28
Only problem I can think of is -- Monday night they say Lawler is in the main event next week. So I run to my computer to add Lawler.
61Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 12:46
Its not worth the argument GO.

The discussion here is whether we want to continue to have this be the no excitement league or whether we want to fix its structure so managers actually care about what's going on. Right now most of the league could care less what's going on. I don't want to speak for Wiggs but I'll assume he isn't even paying attention to the league and he's in 2nd place. There is zero chance you lose this season. Its boring. Next season will be much of the same by midseason.

We can either make big changes and fix this mess now or we can continue to not care. And like I said, if the status quo remains you guys can start picking up the scoring because I've lost all interest in every show to be honest.

I'm not trying to threaten. Just my point of view. This league has become a snooze with no real player movement. The most excitment this forum has seen this season was last week's fight for a bunch of ECW debuts that will result in most of them disappearing within a month. That's not fun.

I long for a day when all 10 managers check in here because its fun. I long for a day when GL (or whoever is in last place) actually cares what's going on even if he isn't winning. I long for a day when guys have wrestlers on their roster who are in the WWE (heck, in any federation would be a good start).
62wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:03
I am still interested- While I do not feel there is much chance i catch up I am hoping that Christian, Dibiase and possibly Cena still have a title shot this season. With Edge going down that is 1 less scorer for GO.

I would be totally fine with the Reshuffle- but would prefer if we could do something where we can keep like 2 guys then reshuffle. I think it would be more fair for teams that have been staying active.

I do believe that this season is a little different then the past because I think there will be more talent out there for the draft this season..

Top scorers this season are

Edge (Jericho will pass)
Christian
Jeff Hardy
Batista
Show
Morrison
MVP
Ziggler
Matt Hardy
Cody Rhodes

Any of them would be nice to have.



63wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:04
Oh- and I agree with you 100 percent that the trades have ruined the league. I believe we do need to have trades, but maybe some type of limit? Maybe nothing involving draft picks?
64Great One
      ID: 17459269
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:07
I am cool with making changes cause its not really fun being way out in front either. But I also don't want to go overboard trying to correct things. We may be overdoing it based on a small sample size of results.
65Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:08
Those top scorers don't excite this league. Ziggler, Rhodes, and Show won't provide any pop. And Batista won't be my top scorer. Dreamer or Henry will be, neither of which excites people.

I'm fine with letting people keep 2 this year. Rewards those who planned well but still puts enough on the wire to excite people.
66Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:11
wiggs - in my opinion, if you blow it up you need to blow it up completely so that it is 100% equitable to all parties who lose value. If everyone keeps two keepers, then those with high draft picks (not just me) lose the value they have put into their teams because I presume if we re-draft then all of the traded picks go away.

To me it's all or nothing, and those that lose some built up value suck it up for the good of the order.
67Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:15
A fair point by Species. If people get to keep 2 keepers (or whatever the number would be) then Species would deserve to keep his draft picks.

We probably need to open a thread where people can put down legitimate ideas as to where to take this league. Talk out all the ideas and then put together a vote to see what people want to do.
68wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:15
ziggler i wouldnt really want- although he appears to be getting a bit of a push- Rhodes I would take for sure- Show is hit or miss- but the thing is GOs pick would get Ziggler. GO doesnt have a pick until low 20s so that should even things out a bit.

I think if he doesnt acquire another stud or something now he should not be as dominating next season.

I am really against limiting the rosters though- its real boring when you have a guy who doesnt do anything on a show- Right now I have no smackdown guys- I dont pay any attention to smackdown now. If I had people on the show it makes it more fun.
69wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:18
i see your point

maybe keep 3 keepers and keep the picks the same?

I think if we only keep 2 keepers then those picks get way too much value. If you get 4 of the 1st 10 picks you get great value.
70Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:32
I will author a separate thread and try to summarize the discussion points.
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