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Subject: scary wrestling
Posted by: Tree
- [22052618] Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 01:11
well, after hundreds of shows it was bound to happen, but let me tell, it's among the scariest things i've seen. a full-scale brawl between "fans" and wrestlers happened tonight. went on for like 20 or more minutes. really really scary.
more details tomorrow when i'm not so drained...
peace,
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| 1 | The Left Wings
ID: 1668298
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 01:40
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Which show? Who were involved?
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| 2 | Tree
ID: 22052618
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 08:16
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Ring of Honor - i'll link to their site below if i remember...
basically it was a "grudge" match between Homicide, who does pretty much a NYC Thug Life kind of gimmick - wears a yankee shirt with 187 as his uniform number, etc etc - and he's a really solid wrestlers, against Steve Corino.
if you guys don't know who corino is, he's one of the best guys out there who SHOULD be in the WWE (along with AJ Styles, Low-KI, and Christopher Daniels), and i think he is the best mic worker out there - his interviews are second to none, and his skills remind me of Ric Flair from his prime.
so anyway, before the match, Corino works the crowd, basically getting heat from doing an anti-NYC gimmick - the Elk's Lodge in Queens - where the show was - is famous from its ECW heyday as the Madhouse of Extreme - and is always a super crowd. always way into just about everything, but also extremely critical and hard to please.
Corino had his "group" out there - CW Anderson, shawn michael's trainee Michael Shane, Samoa Joe (who i now believe to be the toughest legit fighter in wrestling after seeing the brawl), and valet Simply Luscious. throughout the match they went back and forth with members of the crowd with taunts and such.
Corino won when Homicide missed on a suicide dive to the outside, and he slapped the Cobra Sleeper on him and he submitted. i think what got the crowed going was that Homicide did such a great job of selling the move, he looked legit hurt.
so then Corino rolls Homicide back in the ring, and slaps the cobra sleeper on him again. at the same time, his group are doing things like wiping their butt and blowing their nose into the Yankee shirt Homicide wore to the ring.
we're in the balcony, about 15 feet above the floor seats, so we have a great look as all of a sudden, seriously like a tidal wave, the crowd surges forward and several fans leap the railing to rescue Homicide.
i should point out that i've been to a LOT of shows, and seen numerous incidents where plants, acting as fans, "attacked" the wrestlers. while nothing is every certain in wrestling, i'm pretty comfortable in saying this was not part of the show.
so security rushes in to stop the guys, but these guys are paid to LOOK tough, not be tough, so it was literally seconds until the fans and Corino's group were fighting the guys that jumped over the railing.
sidenote - Corino stayed in character the whole time - while this chaos was going on, he grabbed Homicide's Yankee jersey again, put it on, and casually walked back stage.
well then several more guys from the crowd leaped into the fray. and it was wildly out of control, and already pretty scary.
THEN, the lockerroom emptied. i mean totally emptied. about 30 wrestlers rushed the floor, and this was a brawl like no other bar fight i've seen or been in. fists, hubcaps, chairs, everything flying. a guy was on the floor, and literally 7 or 8 wrestlers would be on top of him kicking, pounding, doing whatever.
it felt like it went on for a long time, but it was probably only 15 minutes. if drama can exist in something like this, it was when one final guy jumped into the fray.
this dude was big - probably 6-6 or 6-7, and close to 300 poinds. bigger than pretty much every wrestler there. Samoa Joe - who's about 6 feet tall, and 260 pounds - confronted him. he stared at him for a minute, and i thought that was gonna be it. the dude pushed Joe, and Joe shoved him back, and it was ON.
but i mean, it was no contest. Joe took this guy down and had him on the ground in about 5 seconds, then just got on top of him and wailed.
anyway, from what i understand, when the DVD comes out in 3 weeks, they'll probably have several different camera angles of the brawl.
it truly was scary, and i will never understand how:
1. in this day and age, anyone over the age of 12 doesn't know that wrestling is a SHOW. Steve Corino's not REALLY trying to hurt Homicide.
2. why on earth anyone would attack someone who does any kind of fighting (even scripted) for a living - these guys are legit tough guys.
i just can't keep saying enough that i've never seen anything like it. it was just insane...
couple links:
Ring of Honor Wrestling
Samoa Joe
Steve Corino
Low Ki - because you should know who he is....
peace,
Tree
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| 3 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 31022116
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 08:24
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Wow. If you've been to enough shows, especially non-mainstream ones like Indy or ECW types, you've seen fans fight with wrestlers. But it's usually only 1, or a couple fans, as opposed to an outright brawl. We ALMOST had a total brawl here in PA when trash cans and chairs were being thrown into the ring at the Dudleys. Chairs were flying like arrows in a Braveheart scene. BUT, it ended there.
The Dudleys sure could work a crowd. Corino is excellent too. Maybe a little too good. ;)
Glad you escaped injury bro.
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| 4 | Tree
ID: 22052618
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 09:15
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yea, there's always one or two morons. and coincidently, here in Queens, it was always the Dudleyz enticing someone to jump a rail, and every few months, someone would.
i've seen the footage from philly of when the chairs were tossed in the ring when the Funks and The Public Enemy went at it, and how frenzied and scary that looked. THIS...well, nothing can top it i don't believe.
it was scary, and now of course has lead to a bone of contention between me and my girl - she wanted to leave while it was going on - and in that building, leaving from the balcony means having to go onto the level where the brawl was, then going down one more flight of stairs down a narrow hallway - i was convinced we were safer ABOVE the fray, not on the same level of it...
this was definitely something that you read about happening in the 50s, 60s, and maybe even 70s.
peace,
Tree
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| 5 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 31022116
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 09:53
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I'd never take children or women to that type of show. WWE, sure. Others, probably not, unless it was one of those tours featuring the old, fat guys like Bundy, Iron Sheik, Snuka, etc.
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| 6 | Tree
ID: 22052618
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 10:22
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Well, like i said, i'd been to hundreds of show. aside from my girl, we also went with a co-worker of mine who's been going to wrestling since the 50s when he was a little kid - i think he's the only buddist/wrestling fan i know....and he'd never seen anything like it either....
it was one of those "things just happen" type of situations i don't think anyone can expect or anticipate.
peace,
Tree
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| 7 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 31022116
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 10:42
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Yeah, it's not like it was at the Madhouse or anything. ;)
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| 8 | Khahan @ home
ID: 41117420
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 11:37
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rofl, Mike D, I remember that night. We were waiving dollar bills at Francine trying to get her to flash us.
I got clipped in the back of the head with one of the chairs that was thrown from a few rows behind us.
It was just the tip of the leg and it barely hit me. I think that was one of the last shows I went to and enjoyed.
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| 9 | Khahan @ home
ID: 41117420
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 11:37
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rofl, Mike D, I remember that night. We were waiving dollar bills at Francine trying to get her to flash us.
I got clipped in the back of the head with one of the chairs that was thrown from a few rows behind us.
It was just the tip of the leg and it barely hit me. I think that was one of the last shows I went to and enjoyed.
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| 10 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 31022116
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 11:44
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Yes indeed Khahan-----the guy in front of us with the RVD shirt had his chair broken in two by the brawling Wrestlers. D-Von challenged a fan to give him his best shot, cuz afterwards he was gonna "beat the living sh*t" out of him.....that was AFTER Bubba had ripped the guys hat off and chucked it 25 rows back. Ahhhh....I miss that intensity.
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| 11 | Tree
ID: 22052618
Sun, Feb 09, 2003, 11:58
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the intensity during the brawl last night was almost unmatched. if anything is *close* to the feelings i had during the ECW shows, Ring of Honor is it.
you should check these guys out if you haven't already. it reminds me of ECW in action, manner, and attitude. they're even based out of philly, rassling out of the Murphy Rec Center...
still, overall, the feelings i had at the old ECW Arena - for Born to be Wired and Barely Legal - my first show there - will never quite be reached.
peace,
Tree
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