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0 Subject: Season 18 Standings & Stats - W15 FINAL

Posted by: Great One
- [573552512] Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 09:44

Talent Season Total Wiggs Tough Break    
Sheamus 860 Active Total This Week Active Team Points Other Points YTD Team Points YTD Total Points
Big Show 777
Daniel Bryan 682 John Cena x 77 77   445 445
CM Punk 587 Big Show x 37 37   777 777
Santino Marella 563 Mark Henry x 0 0   532 532
Mark Henry 532 Randy Orton x 47 47   238 495
Cody Rhodes 517 Primo Colon x 0 0   187 187
Randy Orton 495 Skip Sheffield x 47 47   169 169
Chris Jericho 491 Seth Rollins   0 0 0 0 0
Dolph Ziggler 474 Rey Mysterio   0 0 0 0 0
John Cena 445 Alex Riley   0 0 0 34 51
Kofi Kingston 426 Colt Cabana*   0 0 0 0 0
David Otunga 422              
The Miz 410 Total   208 208 0 2382 2656
Great Khali 391              
R-Truth 379 RJ Team RJ    
Jack Swagger 376 Active Total This Week Active Team Points Other Points YTD Team Points YTD Total Points
Kane 348
Brodus Clay 325 Teddy Long x 5 5   33 195
Beth Phoenix 288 Brodus Clay x 42 42   325 325
Eve Torres 262 Layla   57 0 57 0 57
Nikki Bella 262 Kelly Kelly x 0 0   165 165
John Laurinaitis 258 Drew McIntyre x 0 0   183 183
Zack Ryder 228 Zack Ryder x 10 10   228 228
Teddy Long 195 Sin Cara   0 0 0 0 0
Primo Colon 187 AJ Lee x 0 0   46  
Brie Bella 187 Alex Riley   0 0 0 0 51
Drew McIntyre 183 Justin Gabriel   0 0 0 122 122
AJ Lee 173 Evan Bourne   0 0 0 0 0
Epico 173 Randy Orton   47 0 47 257 495
Skip Sheffield 169 Michelle McCool*   0 0 0 0  
Kelly Kelly 165              
Wade Barrett 156 Total   161 57 104 1359 1821
Natalya 155              
Alberto Del Rio 152 Nailer Viva la Truth    
Tamina 148 Active Total This Week Active Team Points Other Points YTD Team Points YTD Total Points
Alicia Fox 146
The Rock 132 Alberto Del Rio x 0 0   152 152
Lord Tensai 132 R-Truth x 0 0   379 379
Ezekiel 126 Kofi Kingston x 0 0   426 426
Justin Gabriel 122 Ezekiel x 0 0   126 126
Hunico 122 Booker T   5 0 5 24 96
Jinder Mahal 113 David Otunga x 0 0   422 422
Vickie Guerrero 111 Vickie Guerrero x 5 5   38 111
Booker T 96 The Rock   0 0 0 132 132
Michael Cole 95 Hunico   0 0 0 89 122
Brock Lesnar 88 Mick Foley*   0 0 0 0 39
Hornswaggle 85            
Jey Uso 82 Total   10 5 5 1788 2005
Triple H 79              
Aksana 78 Zyre The Embassy    
Undertaker 77 Active Total This Week Active Team Points Other Points YTD Team Points YTD Total Points
Heath Slater 76
Jerry Lawler 73 Sheamus x 59 59   860 860
Darren Young 64 Daniel Bryan x 44 44   682 682
Titus O'Neil 64 Beth Phoenix x 5 5   288 288
Jimmy Uso 61 Epico x 0 0   173 173
Ted Dibiase Jr. 58 Jinder Mahal x 0 0   113 113
Layla 57 Batista   0 0 0 0 0
Ricardo Rodriguez 56 Jey Uso   0 0 0 43 82
Josh Matthews 54 Lord Tensai x 0 0   132 132
Yoshi Tatsu 54 Jimmy Uso   0 0 0 0 61
Alex Riley 51 Heath Slater   0 0 0 0 76
Jim Duggan 42 Leo Kruger*   0 0 0 0 0
Tyson Kidd 41          
Mick Foley 39 Total   108 108 0 2291 2467
Maria Menunous 37              
Camacho 36 Greg Rude Rude's Ravishers    
Christian 33 Active Total This Week Active Team Points Other Points YTD Team Points YTD Total Points
HBK 32
Tyler Reks 32 Dolph Ziggler x 27 27   474 474
Curt Hawkins 32 Cody Rhodes x 77 77   517 517
Antonio Cesaro 32 Eve Torres x 10 10   262 262
Matt Striker 28 Tamina x 0 0   148 148
Naomi 27 Maria Menunous   0 0 0 37 37
Rosa Mendes 26 Great Khali x 5 5   360 391
Cameron 24 Justin Gabriel x 0 0   0 122
Kharma 23 Alicia Fox   0 0 0 17 146
Derrick Bateman 10 Aksana   0 0 0 16 78
Johnny Curtis 10 Evan Bourne   0 0 0 0 0
Michael McGillicutty 10 Samoa Joe*   0 0 0 0 0
Percy Watson 10            
Edge 5 Total   119 119 0 1831 2175
Regal 4              
Kaitlyn 2 Farn End of the Road    
Batista 0 Active Total This Week Active Team Points Other Points YTD Team Points YTD Total Points
Bret Dibiase 0
Chris Masters 0 The Miz x 0 0   410 410
Colt Cabana 0 Jack Swagger x 10 10   376 376
D.H. Smith 0 Kharma x 0 0   23 23
Dean Ambrose 0 Triple H   0 0 0 79 79
Evan Bourne 0 Natalya x 0 0   155 155
Goldust 0 Tyler Reks x 0 0   32 32
Husky Harris 0 Ricardo Rodriguez   0 0 0 0 56
Jim Ross 0 Damien Sandow x 0 0   0 0
John Morrison 0 Vince McMahon   0 0 0 0 0
JTG 0 Brock Lesnar*   52 0 52 0 88
Kevin Nash 0              
Leo Kruger 0 Total   62 10 52 1075 1219
Maryse 0              
Mason Ryan 0 TREE Haku's Bastard Children    
Michael Tarver 0 Active Total This Week Active Team Points Other Points YTD Team Points YTD Total Points
Michelle McCool 0
Rey Mysterio 0 Santino Marella x 5 5   563 563
Samoa Joe 0 Undertaker x 0 0   77 77
Seth Rollins 0 Ted Dibiase Jr. x 0 0   58 58
Sin Cara 0 Mason Ryan x 0 0   0 0
Steamboat 0 Camacho x 0 0   36 36
Steve Austin 0 Wade Barrett   0 0 0 0 156
Trent Barreta 0 Antonio Cesaro   0 0 0 0 32
Damien Sandow 0 Percy Watson   0 0 0 11 10
Vince McMahon 0 Rosa Mendes   0 0 0 11 26
    Kane   32 0 32 98 348
    Steamboat*   0 0 0 0 0
                 
    Total   37 5 32 854 1306
                 
    Great One The Great Ones    
    Active Total This Week Active Team Points Other Points YTD Team Points YTD Total Points
   
    CM Punk x 64 64   587 587
    Kane x 32 32   250 348
    Chris Jericho x 39 39   491 491
    Christian x 0 0   33 33
    Regal   0 0 0 2 4
    John Laurinaitis x 10 10   258 258
    Brie Bella x 25 25   96 187
    Tyson Kidd   0 0 0 0 41
    Wade Barrett   0 0 0 156 156
    Dean Ambrose*   0 0 0 0 0
                 
    Total   170 170 0 1873 2105
                 
    Free Agents   This Week       YTD Points
    Aksana   0       78
    Alex Riley   0       51
    Bret Dibiase   0       0
    Cameron   0       24
    Chris Masters   0       0
    Curt Hawkins   0       32
    D.H. Smith   0       0
    Darren Young   0       64
    Derrick Bateman   0       10
    Edge   0       5
    Evan Bourne   0       0
    Goldust   0       0
    HBK   0       32
    Heath Slater   0       76
    Hornswaggle   5       85
    Hunico   0       122
    Husky Harris   0       0
    Jerry Lawler   5       73
    Jim Duggan   0       42
    Jim Ross   0       0
    Jimmy Uso   0       61
    John Morrison   0       0
    Johnny Curtis   0       10
    Josh Matthews   0       54
    JTG   0       0
    Kaitlyn   0       2
    Kevin Nash   0       0
    Maryse   0       0
    Matt Striker   5       28
    Michael Cole   5       95
    Michael McGillicutty   0       10
    Michael Tarver   0       0
    Naomi   0       27
    Nikki Bella   44       262
    Rosa Mendes   0       26
    Steve Austin   0       0
    Titus O'Neil   0       64
    Trent Barreta   0       0
    Vince McMahon   0       0
    Yoshi Tatsu   0       54
1Great One
      ID: 573552512
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 09:45
Standings Wk1 Wk2 Wk3 Wk4 Wk5 Wk6 Wk7 Wk8 Wk9 Wk10 Wk11 Wk12 Wk13 Wk14 Wk15 Wk16 Wk17 Wk18 Wk19 Wk20 Total
Zyre 408 170 171 261 141 119 79 137 47 150 79 102 156 163 108 0 0 0 0 0 2291
Rude 287 166 121 267 113 92 69 79 52 169 45 59 0 124 119 0 0 0 0 0 1762
Nailer 166 85 185 294 57 142 95 104 65 191 123 120 80 76 5 0 0 0 0 0 1788
wiggs 235 53 101 221 180 117 138 118 115 188 162 144 233 169 208 0 0 0 0 0 2382
GO 221 106 108 283 34 121 105 125 106 170 66 78 79 101 170 0 0 0 0 0 1873
RJ 289 70 85 64 101 57 47 79 125 123 42 57 88 75 57 0 0 0 0 0 1359
Farn 231 49 54 171 59 85 47 89 15 121 60 41 23 20 10 0 0 0 0 0 1075
Tree 87 35 92 158 45 111 22 30 33 76 40 36 48 25 5 0 0 0 0 0 843
2Great One
      ID: 573552512
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 09:47
RWF Final Matchups            
Final Final Four RAW R1 SD R1 RAW R2 SD R2 PPV Total
Champion Wiggs 94 139 92 77 208 610
Runner-Up Nailer 50 30 47 29 5 161
3rd Place Zyre 91 65 88 75 108 427
4th Place Rude 37 32 68 56 119 312
Final Fatal Four RAW R1 SD R1 RAW R2 SD R2 PPV Total
1st Loser Great One 77 2 90 11 170 350
2nd Loser Farn 5 18 20 0 10 53
3rd Loser RJ 34 54 67 8 57 220
4th Loser Tree 40 3 25 0 5 73
3Great One
      ID: 573552512
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 09:53
Season End Prospect Check
Zyre - Leo Kruger
Rude - Samoa Joe
RJ - McCool
GO - Dean Ambrose
Wiggs - Colt Cabana
Farn - Brock Lesnar
Nailer - Foley
Tree - Steamboat

All 8 prospects finished Season 18 under 100 points and are eligible to be carried over.

When you email Wiggs keepers please indicate if you plan to carry over your prospect or if you plan to pick a new one (at any point during the draft).
If you plan to retain them they will just be penciled in as your last draft pick, whenever you get to your last pick.

Remember we keep 3 now + lose top scorer like always.
4Great One
      ID: 573552512
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 09:58
Season 19 Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 S18 Prospect Trades
Zyre Zyre 1 Zyre 2 Zyre 3 Zyre 4 Zyre 5 Zyre 6 Leo Kruger Week 6 - Barret/GO3 to Tree Kane/Tree6
Rude Rude 1 RJ 4 Rude 3 Rude 4 Rude 5 Rude 6 Samoa Joe Week 7 - RJ(Orton, 5th, 6th) to Wiggs(Riley,1st,3rd)
RJ RJ 1 RJ 2 RJ 3 Rude 2 Wiggs 1st Wiggs 3rd McCool Week 7 - RJ(Gabriel +4th) for Rude(Bourne+2nd)
Great One GO 1 GO 2 Tree 6 GO 4 GO 5 GO 6 Dean Ambrose
wiggs RJ 5 Wiggs 2 RJ 6 Wiggs 4 Wiggs 5 Wiggs 6 Colt Cabana Season 18 1st Round Trade Summary
Farn Farn 1 Farn 2 Farn 3 Farn 4 Farn 5 Farn 6 Brock Lesnar *Cannot trade 1st Round Pick in Season 19
Nailer Nailer 1 Nailer 2 Nailer 3 Nailer 4 Nailer 5 Nailer 6 Foley *Wiggs to RJ for Orton
Tree Tree 1 Tree 2 Tree 3 Tree 4 Tree 5 GO 3 Steamboat Jr.
5Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 12:52
Don't need to conceal keepers anymore (plus mine are pretty obvious)

Keepers
Jack Swagger
Damien Sandow
Kharma
Brock Lesnar*
6Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 12:57
I'm still in shock that I got Lesnar in Round 5 last season. If you factor in 3 keepers per team there were 60 guys taken before him.

I think I'm in good shape for Season 19. I'm looking to trade a #1 in Season 20 for a #1 in the upcoming draft if anyone has interest.
7RJ
      ID: 34302714
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 13:54
Keepers
Layla
Zack Ryder
Drew McIntyre

Not retaining Michelle McCool
8Species
      ID: 124591311
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 13:56
Congrats wiggs.

Did my old franchise get contacted?? My aqua color is gone!
9Great One
      ID: 573552512
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 14:05
Yeah, you got contracted buddy. You were just too irreplaceable.

I didn't think Brock would ever come back, thats why I didn't bother with him. Then he got beat in that UFC match and retired... so I guess that changed things.
10Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 14:12
I think there's a slight error in the trade area. Can I assume that should say "wiggs can't trade his Season 20 #1 pick"? He traded his Season 19 so his Season 20 would be the one he'd have to keep.
11Great One
      ID: 573552512
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 14:16
Oh.. hmm... I guess that makes sense. He can't trade his 1st rounder during Season 19 is what I was trying to say.
12Tree
      ID: 23373014
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 15:38
what's the draft order?
13Great One
      ID: 573552512
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 16:02
emailed Zyre to vote to clarify the lottery

Pre-Lottery Draft Order
This will also be the order for rounds 2-6
1.Tree
2.RJ
3.Farn
4.GO
5.Rude
6.Zyre
7.Nailer
8.Wiggs
14RJ
      ID: 34302714
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 18:46
Keepers
Layla
Zack Ryder
Drew McIntyre

Not retaining Michelle McCool
15Greg Rude
      ID: 463472919
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 19:45
Keepers
Cody Rhodes
Eve Torres
Justin Gabriel

*Samoa Joe Prospect
16wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 20:43
Willing to trade Mark Henry if anyone needs a keeper.
17Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 21:32
I asked Go about this a week or so ago and he indicated it wasn't like Jeepers where you can trade between the end of the season and the keeper declaration/draft. So I think you're SOL on a trade possibility.
18Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 22:32
well that answers that. lol
19wiggs
      ID: 497411815
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 23:10
We have made trades between seasons in the past. When was thus rule changed?
20Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 23:22
We have? I couldn't remember one and didn't see any previous ones when I hunted.
21Great One
      ID: 512531316
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 23:40
What would be the point of a trade deadline if you could just trade everything back after it all ended?

Find the trade deadline discussion when that was implemented and that would probably be where you'll find our discussion.
22Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 23:52
GO - to play devil's advocate, in any other keeper league, you can make a trade before naming your keepers.

the season has ended now. yes, we have a very short off-season, but it's still an off-season,
23wiggs
      ID: 497411815
      Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 23:56
Well its the same thing in baseball football or basketball with that rational. I could make a trade for my playoff run and then trade a keeper if I have too many. Happens in every league.
24Great One
      ID: 512531316
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:02
I know, and you both said the same thing last time we voted on it. But these "off seasons" aren't the same as other sports - the impacts are more immediate and would alter the risk and costs associated with acquiring talent when making a title push.

What does it cost me to just go buy a bunch of top guys if I can go and sell them back for picks after I win the league?
25Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:03
is it something we voted on? if so, then so be it. i honestly don't remember.
26wiggs
      ID: 497411815
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:12
We don't have enough fire power to go buy a bunch of players. It only works is u need 1 guy and I am basically tracing a 1st round pick to get the guy and asking for a 2 in return.


I am not going to argue about it but it doesn't make sense to me to use that rationale. In football 101. I can trade my 1st round pick for someone and turn around and trade 2 keepers for 1 or 1 keeper for another pick. I dont see any difference
27Great One
      ID: 483133023
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:13
Here was the clarifying discussion from 2005... deadline clarification

Started with a less specific vote before. Also coincidently after Wiggs was champ... vote
28Greg Rude
      ID: 463472919
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:38
I agree with not trading until the new season officially begins ... you made your moves at the end of the previous season, if you did a trade for a major push ... then you deal with it for the next season. No need for annoying delays now. Let's go.
29Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:49

What does it cost me to just go buy a bunch of top guys if I can go and sell them back for picks after I win the league?


this is done in any keeper league.
30 Zyre
      ID: 55118223
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 01:44
Keepers
Daniel Bryan
Lord Tensai
Beth Phoenix

Prospect
Leo Krueger - RETAINED
31Great One
      ID: 573552512
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 09:33
I get that other leagues let you trade over the off season but I think this league is a totally unique thing since there is no off season really. We aren't trading in conjunction with "real teams" trading and signing free agents and responding to those changes over a 6 month layoff.

And more importantly (since that rule was passed back in 2005) the intention was that you had to live with what you paid for if you bought a whole bunch a players to make a push, or didn't sell off that valuable piece before the deadline. It cost you more than a temporary rental.

And people could also manipulate and avoid losing their top scorers which would deplete available talent in the draft. Similarly without any consequence. i.e. had Santino scored 20 more points... I would simply swap him for Y2J and be keeping Punk. But there is no way I would have done that during the season while fighting for a playoff spot and the championship. But it wouldn't cost me a thing now and Punk would never sniff being available. But I know it wouldn't be for the good of the league cause it would make the trade deadline worthless.

But I think that's the main issue. If I trade my 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounders for top talent I essentially rent all season... and then during our one week layoff (after I lock up my championship) I can just trade all my leftovers and get back those picks right back? What did buying all that cost me? Nothing.
32Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 10:56
FWIW - I remember the no-trades during offseason rule.
33Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 11:56
no biggie. just worth a discussion. when are keepers due?
34Great One
      ID: 573552512
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 11:59
Wednesday by noon. You can just post here or email them to wiggs.

We can totally vote on it again, but those are the reasons I would vote against it again.
Even though as a crazy trader I know I would exploit the hell out of it since it would take away the value of the trade deadline.
35Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 12:44
If we did vote again I'd vote it against it as well. I just prefer as much parity as possible.

We no longer need to be secretive with keepers right? Draft order for all rounds is set regardless of who you keep correct?
36Great One
      ID: 573552512
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 12:49
Ah.. never actually wrote all that in the proposal specifically. But I guess if we are switching to the lottery style system using the post-playoff order, there isn't really a need to do the old system.

Think we need a vote? or is that how everyone assumed it would work?
Fine with me, certainly much simpler.
37Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 13:39
Let me ask directly to make sure everyone chimes in...

Was everyone else also of the opinion that after the lottery (top 4 picks) that everything else was based on on the "post playoff order"? If so, say "yes".
38Greg Rude
      ID: 463472919
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 15:22
Yes ... no more emailing keepers, this is way better.
39Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 15:24
i'd like to see the last place team pick first in every round. that's what i'm voting for. :o)
40Great One
      ID: 512531316
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 20:00
GO Keepers
Y2J
Kane
Christian
Prospect
Dean Ambrose will be retained

Top Scorer

CM Punk lost
41Nailer
      ID: 47741321
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 21:21
Keepers
Alberto Del Rio
R-Truth
David Otunga

Prospect: Mick Foley - no retain
42wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 21:36
But I think that's the main issue. If I trade my 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounders for top talent I essentially rent all season... and then during our one week layoff (after I lock up my championship) I can just trade all my leftovers and get back those picks right back? What did buying all that cost me? Nothing.

you wont get the same value for the players in a return trade. For example I traded a 1 and 4 to get orton- I was looking for a 2nd rounder for henry and I am not sure I was even going to get that.

I think it would have to be worded in a way that you couldnt trade for a player to make him your top scorer, you would have to trade for a guy that you could keep. Whatever, its over with now anyways.
43Farn on phone
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, May 01, 2012, 22:10
If I had a pick outside the top 4 I'd trade it for Henry. He's a better option than pick #6 for example.
44wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Wed, May 02, 2012, 08:06
Keepers
Cena
Orton
Ryback

Prospect
Colt Cabana Keep
45Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Wed, May 02, 2012, 09:24
I think the only keepers we're waiting on are Tree's (unless he sent them to wiggs).
46Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Wed, May 02, 2012, 10:46
i'm torn on keeper #3. like it really matters with this team. ugh.
47Great One
      ID: 2431114
      Wed, May 02, 2012, 10:50
Had to swap Ziggler for Rhodes for Rude - Rhodes passed him last week to become high scorer.
48Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Wed, May 02, 2012, 11:02
Keepers:
Cesaro
Barrett
Camacho

Prospect:
Steamboat
49Greg Rude
      ID: 463472919
      Wed, May 02, 2012, 20:36
I got the shaft!
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