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Subject: WWE Fantasy League Season II
Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall
- Sustainer [1629107] Mon, Jun 16, 2003, 12:23
If memory serves our League culminates with the Summerslam PPV. According to WWE.com, it will be on Aug 25, still 9 weeks away, but I'd like to start a discussion for who plans on returning for season II, what the start and end dates for that season will be and what rules changes we might look into.
Blue Hen's offer of Edge got me thinking about a few things. I've been coming on fairly strong lately, having cut my points out of 1st place in the last 6 weeks from 450 in week 17 to 370 in week 21. I had a pretty good week 22 and a decent PPV yesterday, so depending on how the rest of this week and the next couple of weeks go, I have to decide if I have the stuff to try to make a run (unlikely but not ruling it out just yet) or if I should call this a wash and load up for next next season by offering one of my active stars for Edge.
First, I'd like to ensure that there will be a next season. In my opinion we put together a pretty good league that was both managable and fun with a points system that I think reflected the WWE the way most of us intended. I definitely am looking foward to continuing this and hopefully most or all of the rest of you are, too.
Also, if we haven't established one already, I'd like to suggest we make a trade deadline. I think 5 weeks before the season ends sounds about right, which would be July 20. |
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| 99 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 38044119
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 08:46
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I’m pretty much in agreement with yours MITH. Only questionable one for me is #1, where I can live with either overall or eligible points, as eligible is what I’ve been seeing all year.
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| 100 | kev
ID: 3155515
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 11:08
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As long as it is a slow draft, Im fine
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| 101 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 149272511
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 14:28
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Ditto MITH #95
Cliff
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| 102 | mIST
ID: 5351150
Tue, Aug 05, 2003, 03:28
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1. Overall Points
2. Now.
3. Slow Draft, no hurry.
4. I'd like to get a manager to replace him.
(cut+paste :))
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| 103 | Great One
Donor
ID: 41740511
Thu, Aug 07, 2003, 16:33
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1. Overall Points
2. Now.
3. Slow Draft, no hurry.
4. I'd like to get a manager to replace him.
this sounds good to me...
I am in the process of moving the next few weeks though... just want everyone to know. But Summerslam isn't until the 24th, right? I should be settled by then.
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| 104 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 40029714
Fri, Aug 08, 2003, 10:39
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Sorry.
1. Overall points
2. 10 seconds after I get a 5th actual wrestler
3. I hate slow drafts but I'll be outvoted
4. Don't care, although I like increasing the player pool so I don't have to watch any more OVW.
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| 105 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Fri, Aug 08, 2003, 10:40
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Where do you watch OVW?
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| 106 | Tree
Donor
ID: 5749109
Sun, Aug 10, 2003, 10:55
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no kidding! fess up!
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| 107 | Tree
Donor
ID: 5749109
Sun, Aug 10, 2003, 11:01
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MITH - it appears we're leaning toward overall scoring....
if you want to resend the spreadsheet you've put together after adding this week's numbers, i'll post it - maybe you want to add team names to the players?
peace,
Tree
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| 108 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Sun, Aug 10, 2003, 11:02
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I'm sure Hen meant "watch" as in keep an eye on it, via the web.
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| 109 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Sun, Aug 10, 2003, 11:08
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Might be a good idea to start nailing down dates for a start to the draft, and get an idea as to what we are doing with the accumulated votes (ie. drafting, new manager, week off before season 2, etc)
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| 110 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Mon, Aug 11, 2003, 09:14
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I'll add in the new numbers (through last week) and send it to you tonight. I don't think team names are all that relevant at this stage, since your sheets break down complete team scoring. I'd be happy to be responsible for posting the overall scoring every week for season 2 and leave you to tracking the teams and standings as you have been doing.
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| 111 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Mon, Aug 11, 2003, 12:25
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Let me take this moment to thank Tree, MITH and mIST especially for doing so much recordkeeping for the league. It's appreciated guys. It's been a fun year....especially when I kick all of your asses! hahahahaha
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| 112 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Tue, Aug 12, 2003, 16:13
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Shut up dumbass.
I probably have the worst 2nd place team in history. I need to tank.
Yes, thanks to all you guys who've worked on this league. It's been a lot more fun than the last one.
And, what, you don't get OVW every week at 7PM on UPN? Really?
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| 113 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Tue, Aug 12, 2003, 16:13
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Uh, just kidding.
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| 114 | Tree, also @ work
Donor
ID: 599393013
Tue, Aug 12, 2003, 16:47
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schmuck.
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| 115 | Tree
Donor
ID: 237521521
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 00:41
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ugh...this total points thing is just really irritating me. i drafted Randy Orton - he's been injured most of the year. but because he comes on strong at the end, and my gut feeling is that he'll be in a feud for the world title, if not the world champion, as this season ends, i get screwed. lame lame lame. :o)
peace,
Tree
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| 116 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 09:44
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hahahah
my team has been consistent: consistently bad all season long. :)
are we ready to start season 2 right after summerslam? and if so what are we doing with the extra team? is Summerslam a week from tonight?
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| 117 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 10:08
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Tree you do realize that there is a greater distance between Bubba and Orton in total points than in your active points, right? If you're suggesting that you would just bench Orton for the last week to ensure you keep him, realize that one of the reasons for tracking total points is to prevent that very strategy. Reralize that if Orton has that huge of a night and week, you could potentially leapfrog Great One and myself into 6th place - a final push in the last week that would be far more exciting and beneficial to the league than if we had 75% of the top talent benched for Summerslam, the final week of the season.
We need to decide what to do with the last team. Those who voted chose 5 - 1 to try to replace him. If that sponge person wants a team, he should post. I'm considering posing a first come invite on the baseball forum.
Also, Blue Hen suggested shortening the point difference between a win and a loss. I'm all for that. Unless someone has a concrete idea, I'll put a proposal together in a new thread so that it gets seen by as many as possible. If someone else would rather do it, please do it in a new thread.
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| 118 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 10:14
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Check with Sponge, if not, Adam H/Phillies Rule would take the team. He's attending Unforgiven with me in September.
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| 119 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 27735145
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 10:15
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adam is a good baseball manager. I am in a league with him. He is active.
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| 120 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 10:42
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Well hopefully one of them will post and claim the vacant team.
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| 121 | AdamH
ID: 41710121
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 13:03
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Mike D had told me about it and if there is an open team, I'd be interested in taking over it. I didn't read the whole thread (not enough time right now), but if the basic rules and scoring are listed here, I'd appreciate knowing which post had it.
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| 122 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 15:14
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AdamH, welcome. Here's the team you'd inherit, total current points and rank followed by same for last 5 weeks in parentheses:Scott Steiner 645/12 (73/27)
Jamie Noble 211/60 (123/11)
Nidia 219/59 (24/67)
Gail KIm 150/72 (80/23)
Goldust 259/51 (6/87)
Nathan Jones 77/91 (n/a)
Sting n/a
Bret Hart n/a There are 12 teams, each with 8 wrestlers. You'll lose Steiner, as each team gives up their highest scorer and chooses 4 keepers from the remaining 7.
Teams start 5 wrestlers each week. Each manager is responsible for posting his starting roster each week, or the previous weeks roster will be assumed.
Here are the official scoring rules.
Here is a proposed change in the scoring rules for season 2. (Your vote is welcome if you choose to join)
Here are the current standings through week 30. (Only active points are listed here)
And here is the total scoring for each wrestler through week 31.
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| 123 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 7724916
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 15:37
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Hey Adam--welcome to the league.
If there's a silver lining to the team you're inheriting, it's that it is in line (I believe) to get the first overall pick. Everyone's top scorer must be placed back into the league, so you'll have the likes of Lesnar and HHH to choose from.
Great job MITH giving him all of the pertinent links.
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| 124 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 16:30
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He gets the number 1 pick AND Gail Kim?
Mmmmmm. Tasty.
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| 125 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 16:50
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Right - another detail I forgot to mention is that rather than a draft that is a simple reverse - order of the final standings, we weigh it to also consider the strength of the keepers for each team. Here's the formula:draft order is determined as such:
A. using the eligible points of your four keepers, standings are determined. top team is in first, etc etc.
B. add your official finishing position to the number achieved in A.
C. divide that number by two, and the HIGHEST number draft first, and down the line. if there's a tie, it should be determined by standing position. Also, in digging for the thread in which the system was decided upon, I realize that I had forgotten that we also voted to start 6 wrestlers per week for season 2. I'd forgotten all about that, so I'm glad I was digging through this stuff today.
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| 126 | AdamH
ID: 41710121
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 22:49
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Thanks guys...I'll see Mike D tomorrow and get the scoop on everything. I'm still finishing up moving and organizing a lot of crap with a divorce and all, so I've been pretty pre-occupied this weekend and my internet time has been limited.
I appreciate the invite to play and the "welcomes"
Adam
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| 127 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 4073619
Tue, Aug 19, 2003, 08:47
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Welcome aboard Adam.
Cliff
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| 128 | Great One
Donor
ID: 48734199
Tue, Aug 19, 2003, 10:37
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I am in my new house in Woodbridge, NJ... welcome back to the north...
and welcome to you Adam...
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| 129 | Daniel
ID: 77581621
Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 22:16
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hey guys, are there any more spots open in your league? i am very interested in joining.
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| 130 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 20:28
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Given that the season effictively ends with tomorrow night's Smackdown taping, we should probably establish a waiver claim cutoff at least 48 hours before the draft starts. When does the draft start?
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| 131 | Tree
Donor
ID: 367422519
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 07:05
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well, we're taken all next week off, correct?
and it's only a...err..what did we establish?
i feel like we are maintaining an 8-person roster, but going to six active wrestlers.
so, since we have four keepers, it's only a four-round draft, and i see no reason why we can't start it this weekend.
it's been crazy busy with my girl coming back into town, and preparing for football drafts, so i think i'm behind and haven't posted LAST weeks standings...
i may just bypass that, and post the final standings, and then use that formula i came up with in some ancient thread to figure the draft order.
peace,
Tree
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| 132 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 07:13
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Tree,
Check posts 122 and 125. That should bring most everything up to date. Correct on 6 starters. Agree with starting this weekend, say Friday night? Saturday morning?
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| 133 | Tree
Donor
ID: 367422519
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 07:30
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well, i think since it's only a four-round draft, and everyone is active, it oughta just kinda...well, go...
i say we start saturday - as soon as i post the final standings and the weighted draft order....
we also need your cumulative results. so we know who we CANT keep.
peace,
Tree
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| 134 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 08:29
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I'll have them posted by Friday evening.
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| 135 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 38044119
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 08:39
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We need to form our list of keepers shortly after you remind us how to do it. Then we can post the list of non-keepers. Then we can draft.
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| 136 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 11:24
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Sounds good you guys.
And congrats to all on a fun, successful, active season.
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| 137 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 14:03
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It looks like the following wrestlers will be the top scorers on each of their respective teams, and thus must be dropped and made available for the draft:
Brock
HHH
Charlie Haas (currently leads Benjamin by 12 points - if they should finish in a tie, I'd propose to let Blue Hen decide who he drops)
Booker T
Eddie Guerrero
Chris Jericho
Rob Van Dam
Kurt Angle
Scott Steiner
Rey Mysterio
John Cena
Randy Orton
Everone picks 4 wrestlers to keep from the seven remaining names on their roster. I'll make a thread for it after the Smackdown showing Thursday night.
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| 138 | Tree
Donor
ID: 599393013
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 15:04
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Draft - question - is this a straight draft, or a snake draft - did we ever decide?
peace,
Tree
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| 139 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 16:24
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Why wouldn't it be snake just like last year?
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| 140 | Tree
Donor
ID: 599393013
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 17:32
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i dunno. i was just asking.
a snake is done to level the playing field when no one has any players, and everyone is starting from zero.
a regular draft is done to help a tad with parity - especially in a league like this where the talent pool can be thin.
i see it like this, in a thin talent pool league:
1. snake draft - the guy with picks 12 and 13 (league champion) has an advantage over the guy with picks 1 and 24 (league cellar dwellar).
2. regular draft - the guy with picks 1 and 13 (cellar dwellar) has an advantage over the guy with picks 12 and 24 (league champion), and that's how the rest of the world does it. :o)
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| 141 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 18:18
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I don't know if I agree with that assessment, given the importance of the 1st round in this draft compared with every other round. In this draft, I'd take Brock, HHH or Angle and the #24 pick over whatever is available at 12 & 13. But as far as the rest of the draft is concerned, I agree. I'm fine with either way, but I'll do some research to see if we made any concrete decisions. I believe the idea was discussed, not sure if any decision was made.
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| 142 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 18:47
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OK, it looks like the only time snake vs straight draft was discussed for season 2 was posts 14 & 15 in this thread. Not much discourse, so I'd understand if some people want to take the issue up, but it's pretty late at this point.
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| 143 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 18:50
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While it's true I'd much rather have the #12 and #13 picks over #12 and #24 picks, MITH's point is the one I would make. I think we all can see that you have to have stud horses at the top of your roster in order to compete, and me getting the bottom of the barrel in terms of the non-keepers makes a HUGE difference over those who can get a Brock/Angle/HHH level guy.
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE
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| 144 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 60151121
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 19:18
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I think a regular draft is the way to go, but again that would probably be in my favor to boost my position in season II.
Cliff
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| 145 | kev
ID: 3155515
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 19:21
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In any keeper league I have been in, no snake has been used after year 1. Guys like Species/Goatlocker have good teams already. Teams who were bad, need the help. It balances out the league not to have a snake draft, and makes sense.
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| 146 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 19:29
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OK then I think we should vote on it, but have to do it quickly. What do we need, 7 votes to change a rule? I think we should consider the rule to be a snake as of now. I seemed pretty certain about it in post 15, but you guys may have persuaded me. Not sure, I'll vote later tonight. Hopefully enough people will check this, I'd like to get the draft started by Tuesday at the latest. Someone wanna start a "Draft Order Proposal" thread?
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| 147 | Great One
Donor
ID: 48734199
Sun, Aug 31, 2003, 21:16
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I am somewhere in the middle of the draft order I would guess, but I think a regular draft makes the most sense in this situation - with respect to leveling the playing field.
Some rosters - like Adam H's - are just horrific.
I have been out of touch, can someone quickly let me know when the new draft is anyway? I will go though all the threads and look around, but if someone could let me know while I am poking around...
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| 148 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 23715270
Sun, Aug 31, 2003, 21:40
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Looking like Tuesday night
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