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0 Subject: Season 2 Official Scoring Rules

Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall
- Sustainer [217351118] Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 14:11

Match Results
Singles pinfall win: +30
Singles DQ/count out win: +18
Singles pinfall loss: +15
Singles DQ/count out loss: +10

Tag Team pinfall win: +25
Tag Team DQ/count out win: +16
Tag Team pinfall loss: +12
Tag Team DQ/count out loss: +10

Any no contest +10
Championship Titles
World/WWE Championship win: +50
Intercontinental Championship win +30
Tag Team Championship win: +25
Cruiserweight Championship win: +15
Women Championship win: +15
WWE/World/Intercontinental Title Defense: +10
Any Other Title Defense: +5
Other
TV Show Main Event Match +10
TV Show in-ring vignette: +5
TV Show run-in/nterference: +5
TV Show interview: +2
TV Show backstage vignette: +2 (more than just being there as the camera pans through)
TV Show heel/face turn: +10 (it must be CLEAR)
TV Show Hosting: +2

PPV Match: +12 (in addition to win, loss or no contest points for the match)
PPV Main Event: +20 (in addition to win, loss or no contest and also PPV match points)
PPV interview: +5
PPV backstage vignette: +5
PPV in-ring vignette: +10
PPV run-in / interference: +10
PPV heel/face turn: +15
PPV Hosting: +5
1GoatLocker
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      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 18:13
Looks good to me.

Cliff
2wiggs
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      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 18:19
Mith everything seems to be good, but we are probably screwing BH somehow. :)
3Mike D
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      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 19:59
Thanks for listing it all here MITH. Makes it easier for all of us. Should be a lot of fun.
5Mattinglyinthehall
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      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 11:45
United States Title win: +30
United States Title Defense: +10
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      Mon, Sep 22, 2003, 09:09
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9Farn
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      Mon, Feb 02, 2004, 21:51
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10Farn
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      Wed, Mar 24, 2004, 21:06
lets butt this

any changes we want to make? I can't remember but did we retool Rumble scoring? Or make any other changes?

Good time to clear it all up before we get started on Season 3.
11Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 09:09
Wiggs recently said he believes a tag title defense should be worth more than 5 points.

I think I'd like to see face/heel turn points brought up to +25 or +30, or just do away with it all together. It's been too much trouble and caused way too much bickering for something that only gets you 10 points.
12Tree
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 09:22
i dont think turn points should be dropped. a turn is an important part of wrestling.

i also think increasing the points will lessen the value of a title change, and will possibly increase the bickering, because more is at stake...
13Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 09:32
I agree that its an important part of wrestling. But these long, slow buildups like we've recently seen from Jericho that ultimately lead to 10 measley points is anticlimactic. I don't understand how increasing the points for a turn has any effect on the value of winning a title. 15 or 25 or 30 points is still 15 or 25 or 30 points.
14wiggs
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:05
I mentioned the tag team title because I believe that the tag team title is an important belt. I think cruiserweight or hardcore could be valued as less important. IMO the original belts should all be worth the same points, but it can be put to a vote.
15Tree
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:36
what makes it all difficult is that, generally speaking, the WWE barely acknowledges its champions - i mean, maybe i'm missing it, but i can't find a listing of champions on their webpage...

i think maybe we oughta give a scoring to Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary titles, and .

Primary - World Champ, WWE Champ

Secondary - World Tag Team Champ, WWE Tag Team Champ, Intercontinental Champ, U.S. Champ

Tertiary - Women's Champ, Cruiser Champ, and any other title they invent or resurect (i.e. the hardcore title), until we can determine otherwise.
16Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:36
Yo9u should specify what you mean by 'the original belts'.
17Farn
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:45
I think the major belts are the:

Heavyweight belts
IC belt
Tag belts
Women's belt

Others should be less.

My reasoning for the women's is that its the only true recognition of quality women's wrestlers. It seperates them from the bra and panties women. And since only one woman out of a dozen can have it it should carry a bit more weight.
18wiggs
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:46
Original belts
World Title
Intercontinental Title
Tag Team Titles

Now that there is basically 2 federations then you include the same belt in the other federation.

I believe the tag team champions are more important then an intercontinental seeing as it is the top prize in the Tag Team Competition.
19Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:50
So...
World belt = WWE belt
World Tag belt = WWE Tag Belt

Does the IC belt = US Belt?

If so, you want all of those belts, plust the women's belt to be worth the same and for only the cruiser belt to be worth less?
20Farn
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:53
cruiser and hardcore should be worth less.

i can understand a lowering of the IC belt. It is a secondary belt for the same class of wrestlers.

Maybe

Heavyweights- 30
IC- 20
Tag- 20
Womens- 20
Hardcore/Cruiser- 15
21Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:53
There currently is no Hardcore belt.
22wiggs
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:55
I personally wouldnt include the womens or the cruiserweight or the hardcore (if that is still around)

If it came down to it I could see the World titles and the Tag Titles as the higher scoring points

then intercontinental and womens and cruiserweight titles to be valued at less. World tag team champions is the best a tag wrestler can do. Intercontinental title is the 2nd best a singles wrestler can do.
23Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:58
Well, whoever wants to see it changed should draw scoring list for what winning and defending each belt is worth and make a proposal.
24Farn
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:58
my bad, my point totals are very skewed.

Heavyweights- 50
IC- 30
Tag- 30
Womens- 25
Hardcore/Cruiser- 15
25wiggs
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 12:00
I am fine with leaving everything the way it is. I really dont care if we change the tag belts to a major title, I was just always under the impression that it should have been considered 1 right along.
26Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 12:07
Farn, is that a proposal? There currently is no Hardcore belt. Do you mean that The US Title should be worth 15? What about points for defending the belts?
27wiggs
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 12:13
Isnt the IC the same as the US belt?

Also I was talking about defending the titles. I think everything is fine except we should bump the tag team title defense up to 10 instead of 5.
28Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 12:15
No. John Cena is the current US Champion. Randy Orton is the current IC Champion.
29wiggs
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 12:15
I understand there are 2 belts, but arent they considered the same level, just 2 different federations.

Cena is basically smackdowns IC champ.
30Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 12:19
We currently consider them to be the same level, like we currently consider the Cruiser and Women's belts to be at the same levels. I'm just trying to be thorough. There will be disputes later and we need rules that are thoroughly and clearly stated to refer to when they come up.
31Farn
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 12:21
well, if we are tweaking defense points then original wins of a belt should be tweaked to reflect that too.

And yeah, the US would be included with the IC belt points.

I guess its a proposal although I am hoping for more tweaks from members before I give it its own thread to finalize.
32Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 12:27
I'm really not trying to be a pain or anything. I just know that there are likely to be scoring disputes and we'll be doing the league a disservice if we don't have everything spelled out as plainly as possible.
33Tree
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      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 13:40
i'll post again what i did earlier, and state my reasons

Primary - World Champ, WWE Champ

because, these are clearly the "Top Dog" on each brand....

Secondary - World Tag Team Champ, WWE Tag Team Champ, Intercontinental Champ, U.S. Champ

the Tag straps are for the best tag team, and that deserves something significant. the IC and the US champs are the secondary singles champs on their respective brands...

Tertiary - Women's Champ, Cruiser Champ, and any other title they invent or resurect (i.e. the hardcore title), until we can determine otherwise.

this is more for balance than anything else - the women's champ is on raw, the Cruiser champ on smackdown.

each brand has THREE singles champs, and ONE tag champ. there should be a balance.
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