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Subject: Gurupie Stable Reviews
Posted by: Madman
- [29246911] Fri, May 18, 17:19
I'm going to be interested to see what each of the experts say about your stables. I've noticed that they tend to fall off the message board over time.
Would you all please post your stable reviews here? They should last longer, and we can give each other extra tips about what the reviewer said. . .
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I'll go first: Rotciv stables: Review by Bucksplash:
LOUIS' GALS: Female family isn't much to write home about. Regal Classic seems to throw main track sprinter/milers, but this youngster seems equally capable on both surfaces.
DECEMBER CHOP: Nice debut win, workmanlike if not flashy. Sire line is main track, probably evening out at a mile, and Prince John in the third line offers turf and stamina.
ZINC DAD: Don't often see a North Florida allowance won with a 77 SR, but won't knock a win. Obviously fine on either surface, and I wouldn't expect him to want more than a mile.
ALOT UNDER RUN: Yeeouch - injured first out? Same stallion here, with stamina from Private Account and Bold Ruler's speed. Lt. Stevens is a main track miler influence.
WEST ON THE FAN: He's old to be starting a career on the track and we'll hope the years haven't taken too much out of him. Pretty useful-looking pedigree, headed by turf route sire Lear Fan. Quack offers speed and Hail to Reason is surface-versatile distance. Might make a male broodmare even if he can't run.
RATE LEARN: Claimer's been there, done that, and is a dirt-cheap main track claimer who doesn't seem to care about distance.
JINX UNDERSTAND: Another low-level type, and doesn't want more than a mile if that.
DIVER J.B.: Most allowance fields aren't as soft as the one he found last out, but he's a nice mid-level claiming sort. Graustark and Prince John are present, making me wonder how far he'll run.
BABIFIED OPOSSUM: Useful claimer has serious stamina influence Herbager as the dam-sire and has never gone a route of ground - it's worth consideration.
Good luck!
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My comments: I think this review is pretty much right on. I wish I had gotten more information about the sire lines so I could learn more about horse racing. But this sort of review is what you should expect after you've had a couple races each -- as much commentary about the actual race performances as about the lineage. BTW, that's what bucksplash should have done -- since the actual performances tell you more about the horse than the lineage. . .
Other Notes: Diver J. B. has failed 3 times trying to go 10f -- Bucksplash didn't know that b/c the races were too far back. I'm going to try to stretch him upward, anyway. His lineage is so strong on stamina, and if I train him properly, maybe I'll get different results.
And the whole reason I got Babified Opossum in the claimers was that he had NOT been tried on a route race despite an OK lineage for it. |
| 1 | StLCards
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Fri, May 18, 17:58
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I am going to get at least 4-5 races per horse in before I ask for a review. I can hear it now, the horses are better than the owner which isn't saying much, LOL. Maybe I should ask for an owner review before I ask for a stable review. Thanks for bringing this sim to my attention, I'm having fun with it.
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| 2 | Toral
ID: 1418917
Fri, May 18, 20:01
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toral stable
by bucksplash:
DOCTOR QUE: I auusme from the note on the list that you know better than to run horses back-to-back-to...[I had posted in my stable review request that I didn't need to be told not to overrace my 3-year olds despite racing the ones who came up Sharp! 2 weeks in a row] Most horses do just fine running 2 in a row if they come back sharp, though I'd be wary of it with 2yos and early 3yos. Marquetry sired BC sprint victor Artax, but the female family isn't much to write home about.
MINE DEVASTATION: Off to a nice start, and I like his finishing kick quite a bit. Regal Classic gets main track miler types, while Sassafras (Fr.) and Secretariat in the dam's side add stamina and turf ability. I'd give him a flat mile next out and consider the turf for sometime down the road.
EARL GAL: Regal Classic again, but the female family is utterly unfamiliart to me. I'd try a mile and then the turf, probably while dropping to the claim ranks.
ALYWAGON: Classy sire in Danzig, very versatile. Alydar son gives you main track stamina.
TIE DIXIE (blocked): Quality dirt route stallion in Deputy Minister. His Majesty/swaps cross is distance as well, while Misty Day should contribute Nasrullah's zip.
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| 3 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, May 18, 21:00
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JKaye1 review by Madman -- all horses unraced
April Fireworks 4 yo M. Wild Rush (DP of 28, speed), Alydar (42, main track miler influence), and Crimson Satan (DP 28, main track speed) should end up as a dirt sprinter, I would imagine, with a chance to go up to a mile if Alydar influence is strong.
Excessive George I'm not familiar with Orpen (34, balanced speed) or Lure, although his sire's sire, Danzig, is one of the most versatile influences in the sim. The dam-side on this 3 yo is incredible. Nashua is a top stamina influence. Rising Market should also bring versatile stamina, so I'd guess 7-8f to start, and then stretch upward.
Secret Groove 10 yo. Sire is Kaldoun, a son of the versatile stamina influence Caro. But the dam-side from Kaldoun seems to bring more speed, so he's a mixed influence, I'd bet. Secretariat is an above average influence (hahaha) -- tremendous milers, either surface. African Sky (GB) is priced very high in the sim, but I'm not familiar with him yet. His dosage is very speed intensive. I honestly don't see any reason for his high price in the sim . . . hmmm. At any rate, you should have a horse here who can go a reasonable distance, except for the age factor. How a 10 year old will run is always a question. You could consider using him as a male broodmare, although I'd make sure he at least has the potential to be a good runner first. It'll cost you 125 points to use him -- probably worth it but you may want to use your breed points elsewhere first.
Mixed Up Ride Another lineage that I'm not familiar with! Sire has a mediocre dosage of 24, but nicely balanced. Eastern Echo is from Damascus who is a top influence on either surface -- miler distance. Imbros??? Something makes no sense here. Imbros was born in 1950. Eastern Echo was born in 1988. Wow. I didn't know you could stretch the breeding that far . . . I'm not holding a lot of hope out for this guy. I'd start him out at a low MSW level, your favorite turf and go from there.
Sheen Allen From a Pleasant Colony prodigy this guy should get some endurance and class. For the Moment has some brilliant speed, but also a touch of stamina. Paveh?? Stamina all the way. I think this horse has a really nice mix, and should be a good miler type. Could be either surface.
Overall, I think you've got a solid stable. Horses 1,2 and 5 should definitely be good runners if you have any luck -- they should be able to compete a bit at the allowance level for sure. Secret Groove has the breeding. After 5 races, you'll probably be able to find a lot of races for only the older horses, so he may be useful. Mixed up Ride, well, you can't win them all. Maybe he'll develop.
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| 4 | JKaye
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Fri, May 18, 21:13
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Thanks, Madman! I am very impressed. Hopefully your review is a good one, and I trust that it is.
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| 5 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sat, May 19, 18:15
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jkaye1
Wild HillBilly $4,000. AP Indy, Exclusive Native and Gummo all bring similar brilliant to classsic speed blood. Actually, I think that's the downfall of this horse. AP Indy is one of the top long sprinter influences in the game. But there's no strong endurance influence to stretch it out, and no pure sharp speed to guarantee a top finishing kick. It's also strange that this horse has had such bad luck on the turf -- AP Indy progeny (in the sim at least) have been more successful on the turf than in the dirt. There are basically two ways to look at this horse.
First, you could say that his breeding needed some endurance or sharp speed, and then put him in the barn with an endurance influence or sharp speed sire.
Secondly, you could just say this horse has never been a racer and save your breed points for other horses. Remember that up to 50% of your new horse's racing ability comes from the ability of the horse that is bred. And this guy's racing record worries me quite a bit on that dimension.
So I think this is a cup half-full or half-empty sort of acquisition. Either way, his CPU value has got to be tiny, meaning you might be able to find some very restricted allowance races for him to compete in.
Dynarun form $2000. JKaye. Strange history here. I think this guy is surface versatile, but hasn't been given a fair shake in dirt sprints, so he may perk up there. Dynaformer is also a turf influence, but, as I said, the record here is very mixed surface-wise. It's also mixed distance-wise. He's had success at 9f on dirt (week 704, as a 3 yo -- 82.2 speed). Actually, that's his fastest attempt. Strange. I think you may have a mid to low level claimer her, probably from 7-9f. It would be interesting to stretch him upward gradually to see how for he can go, and if you can replicate that 82 speed or better. It may have been a fluke. But it was his only dirt route race longer than a mile, so who knows. Usually horses start to fall apart at around 9f. This one didn't, so there is hope.
prosperous buster He just split an 82 at 7.5fD today. You always have to love it when you snag a horse who just set a Personal Record. His racing record is also very hard to figure. 80+ performances at 7.5fD, 8.5fT, and 6fD. My guess is that his previous success at 6f has "grown" to longer distances. From his history you know that he can't run a 2 mile race after a 6.5f sprint (duh, who can??). He should have had a better chance at the 12f in the slop, but he may have been turned off the bad track, who knows.
I'd gradually push him up on the dirt. Get a little longer and see what happens. He appears to be surface versatile, so you could go back to turf to stretch him out. Your choice.
Interesting picks. I think the last two have the most hope. Especially if you can stretch them up. Remember that you need some point scoring claimers. Low-to-mid-level horses serve their purpose if you place them right. Nothing wrong with that. You have to get breed points some how.
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| 6 | JKaye
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Sat, May 19, 20:15
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Madman-How do you know so much about the sires? You seem to know whether each horse is favorable for turf/dirt, stamina, etc. I don't have any ability to do what you do. Is it just from hanging around the MB and getting a feel for how your horses and other horses do?
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| 7 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sat, May 19, 20:29
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JKaye -- total BS. :) Actually, it really might be. . .
It depends on the horse. I'll use the first horse as an example, since it shows a number of tools that I use.
AP Indy horse. I've browsed the sim sire lines of a bunch of horses using Davarto's sire searcher. AP Indy progeny seem to have great speed over either surface from my general recollection, anything from 6 to 9f. Secondly, I went to the Leading Sires in the sim (I already knew that AP Indy was a very popular influence from my previous browsing, thus he was likely included on these lists somewhere). AP Indy progeny have higher winning percentage on turf than overall, indicating a turf bias. Then, I checked the dosages at Del Mar, which (by looking at the dosages) indicated that all ancestors to your overall horse basically were brilliant speed to classic speed influences, and all were very similar in bias. Finally, I have every race run in the sim in a ready-to-access database, so I was able to track your particular horse's biases better than anyone in the sim (well, a few others are using the utility now, but you get the idea). Data is power. As long as you can sort it.
In addition, I frequently visit chef-de-race , and rely on their statistics quite a bit.
Finally, I also go back and read old stable reviews. I have a decent memory, so if I can't remember the specifics of a sire, I at least have a clue about which recent stable reviews a quote about the sire might have been in. For example, I forgot some of the tendencies of Alydar for your stable review, and remembered that there was an Alydar progeny that was recently discussed on Iago's forum. I then took that particular review that I found, coupled with data from the above sources and formed a general conclusion (also, note that I always adjust distances down 1f or so for the sim which seems to run shorter than in RL).
And, of course, if I had a really good memory, I would have remembered that Toral told me exactly what Alydar did in the second post on this thread . . . but I either didn't read his review carefully enough, or my memory is very flawed. Or both :).
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| 8 | JKaye
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Sun, May 20, 14:19
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LIGHT AWARD(blocked): Very nice pedigree in Affirmed horse -- either surface for sire, from sprints to classic routes, so requires some experimenting. Quack is a miler-type influence possibly while Never Bend is a speed/miler influence too. You’ll have to see how this old boy at age 7 wil take to the track -- female fmaily does look more speedy, so suggest a sprint attempt for his debut.
MIDGET TALENT Weak female family for Rahy horse. 13 furlongs is not a good gauge for turf ability -- sprint or mile tests are better gauges, because most horses won’t be able to get that distance. Could try 6f. turf sprint and then drop accordingly in ranks. EASY WING: Never heard of the sireline -- filly does run gutsy over the main track -- could try one mile dirt route or 6f. turf sprint next -- suspect she’d be competitive at the $10,000 to $25,000 MCL level. Try the latter tag level first -- you’l just have to experiment, because can’t tab her pedigree well besides Rahy. :(
LATE BEAU Partner’s Hero flashes some nice speeed -- that 10f. route attempt again is too far to gauge his route ability. would suggest a one mile main track run to see if he can stretch his speed. Female family with Beau Genius and more Bold Ruler-line lends possible two-turn bent. Could also try the grass with Partners Hero, sired by Danzig.
NET CAN Fort Chaffee was a minor stakes winner over one mile and raced in sprint stakes company too. Terrible tiger lends stamina -- I’d guess the same with a lean over the lawn for Kinnett. Looks like a claimer at best -- could try 6f. turf sprint next to see what happens and drop accordingly -- try to build on the 61SP# sprint try in MCL ranks.
DYNARUN FORM Looks pretty much figured out abt rock-bottom level. Good points earner.
PROSPEROUS BUSTER Versatile With Approval claimer probably best at a mile.
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| 9 | JKaye
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ID: 4711592917
Sun, May 20, 14:20
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That is for jkaye review by snowchief.
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| 10 | cab
ID: 364551821
Sun, May 20, 18:54
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The review by Snowchief...
CAB: PEPI UNDERCUT: Pretty obscure pedigree here outside of classy Northern Dancer. What A Pleasure-line crossed with Mr. Prospector suggests possibly speed, but could be a route pedigree too since both sides are versatile in that aspect. This guy jumped up very nicely in SP# when raced versus his own age group in second start. Suggest another sprint, but this time in a lesser purse MSW -- Delaware is a very tough track and highly competitive. See how it goes and can try a one mile then. Could try turf too, but mostly for Northern Dancer and just to see how it goes. SLOPPY STATION: This guy might not become a world beater, but wow -- he looks pretty competitve with lots of heart. :) Love how he keeps passing those tiring horses in 14-horse field, finishing 4th & 7th respectively. Strong stamina in female family with Bellypha and N. Dancer. The sire seems stamina-laden too with Storm Bird - Hoist The Flag cross. Could try a 9f. turf test next or a one mile to 9f. dirt test. Nice run in the sprint debut too, so 6f. turf sprint try would be interesting. Keep him in low-purse MSWs like at Wisconsin -- you’ll just have to see if he can break out of the 60 SP#s -- if he can’t after a couple more tries, then try to drop him down slowly in tag to MCL 30k level and see how it goes. RED SAL: Eek. Here’s a humdinger pedigree -- LOL. Looks main track-ish with anywhere from speed to middle-routes. Switch to that surface and drop accordingly. YANKEE ALPHABET: Nice win for Zilzal horse when sharp. Zilzal himself was a turf miler. Cutlass lends miler speed too, so I’d suggest a one mile ALW NW2L or NW1X next -- could try turf soon to see how he handles it. BEE STCKING(blocked): Two-turns for this Tsunami Slew horse -- maybe one mile dirt or turf run for debut -- see above for Cutlass. I don’t really know if Tsunami Slew has been successful or not in the Sim -- you’ll just have to see how it goes. CHEROKEE JUDGE: The Nodouble sire-line leans toward stamina and the same goes for Tom Rolfe-line. Raja Baba is a speed source. Probably either surface, but more towards main track. CLAM CARNIVAL(IRE): Very nice claim. :) Versatile in both sprints and mile events -- pedigree does have two-turns look to it, so could try to add distance slowly. Starter ALWs are the obvious choices of company next -- and keep him on the dirt. Good luck, cab! Hope these suggestons help! :) Snowchief
Madman and Toral...In comparision with your reviews, I think you were pretty much spot on! I see a future for you two at Iago's...:)
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| 11 | StLCards
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ID: 3505622
Sun, May 20, 20:06
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I just got my second stable and I'm so upset I can't see straight! I had some really quality 3yo horses and I got 1 that was down my list. I end up with a 3yo, 4yo, 5yo, 6yo and a 7yo. Out of 10 horses I put in for I only got 3 of them and none of the ones I really wanted. This is just no fair. I spend hours and hours researching lines for what?? If you want to do a review name is stlcards1. I am now tempted to try a 3d stable just to see if I can get my other horses. This really $#@^%$#%$......
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| 12 | StLCards
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ID: 3505622
Sun, May 20, 20:12
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Not to mention that 31827 Hardly Piddle is showing Lay-Off! The horses 669 Country Water and 9474 Wingo's Shipments were the 2 that weren't even on my list. Can't a guy get a break? Don't they care that I've already had a bad day? geez!
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| 13 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, May 20, 20:58
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StLCards -- you likely made the same mistake that madman3 did. If you have too many highly rated horses, it appears that you get the "shaft" so to speak. The idea is to make sure that you don't get a new stable just to get stud horses . . . For the record, Arctic Government was my #1 in Madman 3. Rakida's Plug and Agriculture Bomber were elsewhere in the top 10 (don't remember). And Front Stamping and Our Wool (now Secret Society, hehehe) weren't even on the list.
Also, I wonder how many quality 3 yo's were being simultaneously picked up by other new users. From the looks of things, the horses are getting snatched quickly right now. . .
Gettin a horse on Layoff is a bunch of garbage, however. I'll take a look. It's possible the layoff condition will disappear after the site update is finished.
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| 14 | StLCards
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ID: 3505622
Sun, May 20, 21:03
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FWIW, the horse I really wanted was 58517 Purple Naskra, 3yo colt. His line is Theatrical(IRE), Naskra, Nijinsky II. Someone else got him. I'm going to keep an eye on him just to see if my research means anything. Maybe you could look at him too and tell me if you see anything. To me he looked like a real winner. Thanks.
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| 15 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, May 20, 21:53
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hahaha. Purple Naskra was my #1 as well, StL! Yeah. He was sticking out like a sore thumb. . . Not many horses of that quality. Well, if he's already gone, I'm not going to apply for a new stable until they put some more horses in the pool . . .
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| 16 | StLCards
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ID: 3505622
Sun, May 20, 22:03
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I guess that explains why I didn't get him. Probably on alot of lists. I was so excited about getting him I could hardly stand it. Oh well! I was afraid of putting only him down thinking if he was selected I would get nothing.
Right now I'm thinking that Dusty Colony will be a decent 8.5f dirt racer. Should have all kinds of endurance.
Another horse I didn't get was one I had chosen strictly as a turf racer. I still might try for another stable and try for a couple of horses I didn't get. Having three stables will be more work, but if I focus on one every three weeks, it should all my horses good.
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| 17 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, May 20, 22:19
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This is going to be a less comprehensive review for now, StL, just to give you an idea if you have any hope with the stable . . . Most of this will be off the top of my head, so I may be wrong . . . OK, let's see . . .
Dusty Colony A nice 3 yo. I've seen Academy Award progeny do well in the sim. The sire line speaks for itself. On the dam side, you have some speed with Bold Ruler and Pleasant Colony. This guy could be a real sprinter, and you'll want to check him out on both surfaces.
Hardly Piddle Another solid lineage on the sire side . . . lots of good sires there, including turf stamina Nijinksy, mixing with the speed of Bold Ruler. And that dam-sire line! Wow. Fappiano is a good sire in the sim, and Mr. P is #2-3. Lt. Stevens has a great track record on the dam-side. Sefapiano himself isn't highly rated. I'll have to keep him in mind for a cheapie dam-sire if this colt does well. The Dam-Dam line has some tremendous speed influences.
Overall, this colt could be of exceedingly high quality. I'd start at 6-7f, maybe on turf if possible. Then experiment up to a mile or so. I doubt he'll do well at over a mile, but it's possible with his great grandfather there...
Country Jodie Speed in the sire line, main track miler influence in dam-sire and miler distance ability from dam-dam-sire I'm guessing, but I'm not super familiar with Native Dancer right off hand . . . I'd guess dirt 5.5-7.0 for optimal distance/surface combo. I personally like to see at least a spec of strong stamina somewhere in the pedigree, so I'm a bit nervous. But could make a studly sprinter.
Country Water Barbizon is supposed to be an extreme speed influence, IIRC. Northern Dancer provides surface versatile mile ability, and Trempolino has had a bit of success in the sim. I'm thinking turf stamina with him, but am not sure. . . Barbizon actually has a mediocre record in the sim. All in all, you could have a worse pedigree than this. But I'm wondering if the computer-assigned dawgs are actually bad, or if they just have a flawed pedigree, if you know what I mean. My hunch is that he won't amount to much, to be frank. Although his pedigree has some chance of proving me wrong. I'd race him a couple of times in MSW's, and then drop him down into MC's as soon as the CPU will let you.
Honestly, this may end up being a very productive horse for you. I could see him pumping out mid 60's, which would be enough to score a Maiden Claiming victory. Those claiming races are great for getting breed points. And if you lose this horse, you probably won't care.
Wingo's Shipment's So much for my theory that the computer always blocks your best horse! Prince John progeny can run all day. Hail to Reason is in the Dam-sire line, but how much of his blood really matters? He's buried way back, so I'm going to ignore it. Sing Sing is an over-rated sim sire, IMO. Honestly, I think this horse is just awful. Prince John is effective as a dam-dam-sire in the sim, but even there doesn't have the impact you would like. Furthermore, the sim is speed-oriented a bit, I think. Without speed, your horse is doomed. (note: this is like real-life human distance running. No quality human distance runner exists who doesn't have some serious speed in his or her genes).
At any rate, give this horse the obligatory race or two. But at age 7, I wouldn't hesitate to drop him down to Maiden Claim races. In fact, if you have guts, you might even start him there (note: after your 20th race the computer lets you do that sort of thing). Look in the instructions -- you may get a bonus for top 3 in your first race if it's a maiden claimer. Don't know if that is just homebreds or if it would apply here. Worth a look-see.
Overall, you have 3 horses with real potential, two that I'm pretty high on. Work the claims and build up as fast as possible. Consider yourself lucky that Dusty Colony wasn't blocked. May I humbly point out that my madman3 stables has their best horse blocked . . . it's trying to survive right now with just two runners. It's not easy. But you can do it . . .
Purple Naskra would have looked real good in your stable, however. As I said, I was really coveting that horse. Purple Naskra could rule Europe. We shall see what his owner is doing . . .
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| 18 | StLCards
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Sun, May 20, 23:05
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Thanks alot Madman. I agree with your assessment and about dropping down to MC if the MSW races don't work out too well for the weaker lines. Overall I'm not sure if this stable will be any better than my first one, but I hope so. I would love to get a least 1 solid horse that could win in upper tier races.
I was wanting to look at the lineage of Arctic Government but without the ID I can't find him. Don't have Access at home so I don't have your program installed here. Only at work.
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| 19 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Mon, May 21, 00:05
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1) as long as you do the complete install, you don't NEED Access to run my program.
2) Arctic Government's Lineage (note: links won't work, I don't think):
Miswaki is one of my favorite sim sires. I know he's not quite the stud that Storm Cat is, but Miswaki progeny can do anything. Turf, dirt, sprints, distance. I'm not super thrilled by Caucasus here. But I love the Nijinsky II / Princequillo combination. Talk about endurance! So I think Caucasus should be fine. Bold Ruler then comes in with awesome speed on the Dam-Dam-Sire line . . .
You never know how a horse will turn out. But Miswaki is a top 10 sire in the game, IMO, and having a stud sire is probably the single most important factor. There just weren't that many stud-quality horses available for picking . . .
In my opinion, no new stable is going to get a stakes-quality horse this year, unless they get some phenomenal luck. I would just be thrilled to have Arctic Government run in the 90's. 100's would be a dream come true. To compete in the stakes races, you've got to be able to put down a 110+ from time to time. . .
New stables will have to rely on breeding and/or winning a bunch of cash and buying one (hint: have you figured out why I'm putting so much money on the line every week?). The Earliest I could breed a stakes-quality horse would be October or so, and the only way I can do that is to put West on the Fan to the breeding shed (putting Learn Fan and Quack as dam-sire and dam-dam-sire for 125 points, and then buying a 200 point sire). Can I get 300 breed points by October? Yes, probably. But if I do get that many breed points, I'm still not sure I'll use them to put West on the Fan to sire . . .
My current plans: Madman999 Lots of 3 yo's, none of whom are very good. I'll quickly turn this stable into a claiming stable, 80%. I have one 2 yo that I will race and try to develop. And Light Jupiter has a CPU value of $950,000 now and has run two 97 speeds, so I'll use him to satiate my desire for a fast horse (note: I need to acquire two more claimers / auction horses for this stable). Gradually, I'll breed out the 3 yo's and replace them with 3-4 bargain breeds. I hope that 1 of those bargain horses will be 80 ish speed. And then I'll continue to hit the claimers. By Summer or Fall 2002, I hope to be able to breed a Derby quality horse with this stable.
Rotciv I already have a number of claim quality horses. I'm going to continue this, and pile up breed points. Put West on the Fan to the shed this year if I can get enough breed points and if his race ability seems to be solid. If I can't, then keep doing the claiming thing, and figure out a way to make Zinc Dad and the other old horses in this stable productive. Rotciv has the ability to accumulate breed points faster than any of my other stables, I think. They have no weak links in the stable, assuming Alot Under Run ever comes back. But each of the horses won't get any better, and father time will take it out of them. There's an outside chance that Babified Opossum will be a 90+ speed route runner . . . He's in a 8f this week (I hope, otherwise 7.5f), so we will see if he has potential there. I'm targetting a stud breed just after the New Year, but I realize that I may not have enough points until May or so. Depends on how many points Mike gives us. It also depends on whether or not I can get more points from Rate Learn and similar quality claimers than past trainers have gotten from those same quality horses (shooting for the 2003 Kentucky Derby, although I may back off and hope for 2004). Of course, this also assumes that I will be able to cycle through claimers like I hope to . . . but until my 20th race, I just won't know if that is hard or not.
Madman3 This stable has the most long-term hope, and it all rests on Arctic Government. It also has my two most reliable allowance quality horses (Rakida's Plug and Agriculture Bomber) who should both (HOPEFULLY) make it in low class allowance races or upper-class claimers and be able to last there for a couple of years. I'm still hoping that these two horses will go 90+ speed when I figure them out. It also has the most depth in the claiming quality horses. In fact, Our Nooses's 92 speed last week may mean that I have to put him in allowance races to keep him in my stable. . . although a 92 speed is marginal for a speed sprinter. . .
This stable's biggest problem is that I don't want to lose any of the horses (yet), so I will be reluctant to enter the claimers, which is where the points are made. At any rate, I should be able to breed a studly 2 yo next Spring/Summer from scratch with this stable, I hope. Will I have the patience to do this?? Who knows. But the fight right now to gradually acquire better horses and let the lower tier ones go I find captivating.
Worse, I'm really weakening my stables. I'm planning to have one 2 yo in each stable, and that will reduce my overall point production by almost 4% . . .
And the biggest risk is that the goal of the 2004 Kentucky Derby may be so elusive that I'll give up on this game before then . . . If anyone thinks they can get to the top in less than 3 years, I'd like to know how . . .
Sorry for the blab. But this is my honest assessment of how new stables can develop at this point -- and the above strategies illustrate that the fastest way to a stakes-quality horse, IMO, is to actually have 8-9 low quality runners cycling through claim races. MAYBE have 1 decent quality horse for earnings flow, although I think you should rely on betting to keep your cash in the black.
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| 20 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Mon, May 21, 00:06
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BTW, biggie checked out my stable and concurred about Arctic Government . . .
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| 21 | StLCards
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ID: 2504849
Tue, May 22, 08:06
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I just received my 3d and final stable. Hopefully I didn't get any of your horses Madman. I put down 4 or 5 horses and left the rest blank thinking that would help and I ended up with 3 of the 4 I put down. I had 3 3yo and 1 4yo. My 4yo, Sally Plow is going to be my turf racer, hopefully, and is blocked. I also got cryptomile a 3yo filly, and Dusty from Round a 3yo colt. I also had down Zero Hero, a 3yo filly but didn't get her. The computer gave me two other horses a 7yo and a 4yo. 4 of the 5 are rated at $25K CPU. All horses are RTG. Stable is stlcards3. Hopefully with 3 stables I can win a race or two and actually rest my horses.
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| 22 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 13:21
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Nope, none of my horses (Madman breathes sigh of relief, but why didn't my stable get processed this morning with yours?? Hmmm . . . different batch of horses?)
Honestly, I thought the horses were a bit more picked over than last week, so I'm not super-enthused about my choices.
I like Sally Plow a lot. She's a 5 yo female, good for racing or breeding. The 3 yo's also look solid, although I think Dusty from Round is a bit of an experiment . . . He could be sweet, but the direct sires aren't super-studs. And those last two horses . . . ahem . . .
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| 23 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 13:25
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Oh you dog! Zero Hero was my 6th horse! . . . He's still available, however. I wish I would get my stable ASAP. . . I've got a bad feeling that my top picks are popular :)
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| 24 | StLCards
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ID: 2504849
Tue, May 22, 14:01
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Dusty from Round is a bit of a gamble but I figured that I would be able to get him + one other 3yo. I wanted either cryptomile or zero hero (both fillies) and I figured that would be doable and still get Sally Plow since she is 5yo. Dusty from Round's sire is Northern Baby who has 50% of his progeny having stakes wins at Grade 1. For all I know that could be 1 out 2, but I figured it was worth a shot. If you had 5 other horses ahead of Zero Hero I'm anxious to see them. I didn't spend as much time on this stable since I figured I would only get 1 of my picks anyway.
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| 25 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 14:26
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Where did you get that information about Northern Baby? I want some of that!
For the record, Northern Baby has literally DOZENS of sim prodigies, so a statement like you just made carries a lot of weight with me. I don't know how many of the dozens are ACTIVE (I assume the 50% refers to 50% of those who have run in the sim . . .), but I'm sure it's more than 2.
Regarding me having 5 other picks in front on Zero Hero, as I said earlier, I think all of the horses were mildly flawed. I would be happy with Zero Hero. In fact, I'm now regretting my 3rd pick. I should have made him my #1, because the more I think about it, the more I think he's as close to a sure bet as there really was. But I let my apriori biases regarding sires affect me. I'm crossing my fingers that I get my top 3. . . Knock on Wood . . .
There were no horses that just jumped out at me where I said "this is a stakes class horse". . . I hope to get my stable soon, and I'll post them after I either get them or not . . .
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| 26 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 14:29
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For the record, the reason Zero Hero was #6 for me was that I think while Crafty Prospector is a good horse, I don't put him in the top tier of sires. His prodigy can go 80-90 speed, but I haven't seen a lot of them at Stakes grade . . . And his dam-dam-sire of Raconteur I wasn't thrilled with. Partner's Hero is a solid Sire, but I would have preferred to see Danzig as the direct sire . . . So I rated him as having 2 second tier sires (which are nevertheless very good) and a relatively unknown dds. All my other picks (1-5, anyway) had at least one top tier sire directly in their lines.
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| 27 | StLCards
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ID: 2504849
Tue, May 22, 14:31
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Here is the table from chef de race that I got the info from. I don't know how any of this translates to the sim or if I am even interpreting it correctly. Hopefully I am.
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| 28 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 14:44
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Wow. Hmmm. I thought you were talking about in the sim. . . In real life, Northern Baby has dozens of progeny, as well. You can find a list of them at Del Mar .
That's an incredible record. OK. I'm upgrading him in my sim evaluations from now on! Dusty Round does indeed have a super-sire in his background! I'm still learning, obviously . . .
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| 29 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 14:47
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Hmmm. Again. Northern Baby's hasn't had a single graded winner this year in the sim . . . at least through the first 4 months or so . . . Very weird. I bet he's still a stud-sire, however.
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| 30 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 15:05
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Good grief. I'm having a bad day. . . Dusty from Round has Halo as a dam-dam-sire. . . his lineage is therefore really good.
And Cryptomile is incredible. He should have plenty of speed with a chance to stretch it upward. You've got 3 horses with some real potential there. . . But keep in mind my study from when I drafted Madman3 - - even well-sired horses can be busts with an annoyingly high frequency. . . The surest way to acquire solid runners is via the claiming process, IMO. It's absolutely mandatory in my book that you do NOT run your 20th race until you've gotten at least 3 solid runners via claims . . .
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| 31 | StLCards
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ID: 2504849
Tue, May 22, 15:12
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I have noticed that as well Madman. I have looked through horses entered in races, see incredible lines, and then see 50's and 60's SP. Hard to figure. Why are claimers the way to go? It seems to me you will only get 80's SP which is certainly decent enough to win races, but not great. Or are you talking about the auctions? If I can get the betting figured out I wouldn't mind buying some high priced stud horse later on. I also plan to try some breeding in the future. I think it will be awhile before I have a good enough handle on what I have in my stables. Will get several races in and then get some stable reviews and go from there.
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| 32 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 15:50
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Caimers are the way to go because you can get two types of horses.
First, you have the Majestic Yodel types (sorry, using my horses as examples) that you can enter into claim races and snag bunches of breeding points easily. I should note that these horses, since they are claimers, also qualify for Starter Allowances. For example, I'm trying to get Majestic Yodel into a 3,500 starter allowance in Tasmania this week. The fields in those races have to be very weak, and I can maybe pickup an easy win. . . But only claimers have sufficiently low tags . . .
Secondly, claiming is the only way to snag 90+ speed horses without spending 500K. I've had two 90+ performances in my stables from two different 5K or under claimers already -- Our Nooses (92) and Light Jupiter (97). Your Clam Carnival has 90+ potential by winter, too, I reckon, as she/he develops. Light Jupiter would have cost me more than a million at auction, I'm sure (his CPU value is 950K).
Third, no one is going to put a potential stakes-class horse in an auction (for less than 5 million). However, people make serious mistakes in the claim races. Horses that haven't been properly tested in route races but who have serious distance potential, etc.
Finally, you can snag horses in claim races that have good breeding lines. These can then be used later for breeding purposes. Similar horses would cost you a fortune at auction, if you could even get them at all . . .
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| 33 | GoatLocker
ID: 26058212
Tue, May 22, 16:04
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Good Reading Guys,
I'm trying this again and just put in for a stable.
Never did hear anything on the other attempt.
So, am starting over again and will check back Thurs to see what happens.
Cliff
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| 34 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 16:17
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You better not have stolen any of my horses, goatlocker :) hehehe. Glad to see you back on board.
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| 35 | GoatLocker
ID: 26058212
Tue, May 22, 16:39
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Here's what I put in for:
26121 - 7 year old - Crass You - Male - Advancing Ensign x Kaldoun(FR) x Northern Dancer
54317 - 3 year old - Skinny Noose - Male - Hennessy x Raja Baba x Northern Dancer
24156 - 6 year old - Away From the Roo - Male - Runaway Groom x Mr. Long x Targowice
12096 - 7 year old - Charm Laura - Female - Crystal Water x Habitat x Bold Reasoning
21149 - 5 year old - Eight Arc - Male - Wavering Monarch x Shirley Heights(GB) x Bold Monarch
37490 - 5 year old - Wavering Bag - Male - Wavering Monarch x Herbager x Kaskaskia
29548 - 7 year old - Nineteen Charisma(GB) - Male - Dashing Blade(GB) x Danzig x Gallant Native
59310 - 3 year old - Stock Geri - Female - Stock Ahead x Rudimentary x Mr. Prospector
13295 - 4 year old - Doughnut Sal(GB) - Male - Son of Silver(GB) x Fappiano x Cornish Prince
4736 - 6 year old - Zarb For Station - Female - Ginistrelli x Time For A Change x Best Turn
Will have to wait and see how many I get.
Hopefully with the mix, I can get one of the 3 year olds and the 4 and 5s.
Cliff
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| 36 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 20:09
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54317 Skinny Noose was my #3 -- the one that I said maybe should have been my #1 . . . I hope one of us gets him. He's going to be a real runner. Doughnut Sal was also on my list, but I couldn't remember enough about Son of Silver. Otherwise that's a top notch lineage.
I was really hoping that I'd get my stable by now. I wonder what's up . . . He must have processed all the stable requests that were filed just before mine . . . I'm getting very nervous that my better horses won't be around long enough . . .
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| 37 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, May 23, 14:34
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Goatlocker I don't know what it is with you, but you are a curse. Our new stables still haven't arrived. Given the amount of time that has passed, and the relative scarcity of quality stallions, I've given up much hope about my new stable. I'm going to get a maximum of 2 decent horses, I fear. Plus, I won't be able to enter races this week (not a bad thing, as long as I can claim). AAARGH.
Hopefully wise claims will make the difference . . . yeah, whatever.
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| 38 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, May 23, 16:40
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Madman999 Review By Bucksplash
STINKY THE URBAN: Pedigree is loaded with stamina on either surface. Hard to know what to make of her so far - she was solidly thumped by older mares first out, then could have been reacting poorly to the turf, the distance, or both. You'll get the best read on her ability if you change just one thing at a time and keep her in age-restricted company.
MANTA UNTIL STONES: Ogygian and Fleet Nasrullah are both speed influences, while Gallant Man, Nashua, and Prince John are pretty stout. It looks like a main track pedigree, and it would probably be worth going a mile just to see.
BURNT CASH(IRE): Busted(GB) is a "solid" chef, and Chieftain is one of Bold Ruler's more long-winded sons. I'm not familiar with the dam-sire, but the third line provides miler-type stamina on either surface. Again, hard to know what she was reacting to in her second start.
EAST A LA RUN: Timeless Moment throws sprinters, but he's by a route stallion and the rest of the pedigree is long-winded as well. Might try a sprint just for kicks.
WELL BERT: Well Decorated is purely a sire of main track sprinters, and Ack Ack and Never Bend add some middle distance credentials on that surface. Wouldn't expect him to want more than a mile.
ROYALTY BOOM: Pedigree says a mile-plus, and any descendant of Green Dancer deserves a shot at the turf.
LIGHT JUPITER: Getting good at an odd time; take it with a grain of salt given earlier performances, but don't knock it. Can't see the turf try and may be capable at the proper level. Might as well try an NW2x or a starter sprint if you can find one, if he can hold that high-90s performance.
MAJESTIC YODEL: Useful filly is a low-to-mid-level claim horse who should handle a route of ground. Loathed the turf last out, but a dirt mile shouldn't be out of the question.
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Madman's notes. It's a good review. I agree with my early misplacement of Stinky. I didn't have her pedigree with as much stamina as what bucksplash reads it, but this gives me some hope for her. I was getting worried. . . Same thing with Burnt Cash, who's lineage I was almost wholly unfamiliar with. . . Light Jupiter for those who haven't followed other posts is my best horse -- a two time 97.1 speed at 6.5f . . . I read Majestic Yodel to be more of a short sprinter than Bucksplash, but I'll be more than glad to try this out (up to mile). . .
Nice review.
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| 39 | GoatLocker
ID: 26058212
Wed, May 23, 17:09
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MADMAN
Sorry Dude, didn't mean to screw us both up.
Didn't even know you had put in for the stable when I decided to try again.
I'm just hoping I get the stable this time.
Would help if there were some quality horses, but right now the key is getting a stable.
Cliff
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| 40 | Toral
ID: 1418917
Wed, May 23, 17:36
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This seems to be the new stable thread as well. I'm researching one and if there seem to enuf quality horses to make it worthwhile, I'll give it a go.
I've noticed something curious. As I go through my research, very often when I look at an interesting horse, in the place where it usually says "CPU or New Player" it says "*eraser". I have a suspicion this means something. The horse is already taken? The horse isn't going to be given away? the horse is so good that whoever gets it automatically gets a dawg assigned to him at the same time? Anyone know, or have any theories?
Toral
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| 41 | GoatLocker
ID: 26058212
Wed, May 23, 17:37
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Well, goatlocker now has horses.
Here is what the stable looks like.
24156 - 6 year old - Away From the Roo - Male - Runaway Groom x Mr. Long x Targowice
59310 - 3 year old - Stock Geri - Female - Stock Ahead x Rudimentary x Mr. Prospector
13295 - 4 year old - Doughnut Sal(GB) - Male - Son of Silver(GB) x Fappiano x Cornish Prince
4736 - 6 year old - Zarb For Station - Female - Ginistrelli x Time For A Change x Best Turn
8719 - 3 year old - Falutin' bobbie - Female - Lyra Ridge x Crow(FR) x Victory Stride
The first 4 were out of the 10 I asked for.
The fifth is the one that came back blocked.
All five horses are Ready to Go.
Guess I need to look some more at what I have and figure out where to go from here.
Don't think I will try to get into any races this week.
Madman
Hope you got Skinny Noose since I didn't.
Cliff
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| 42 | JKaye
Sustainer
ID: 4711592917
Wed, May 23, 17:41
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I saw a couple of horses that looked great, so I decided so start a 3rd and final stable. The stable is sunday89(after my favorite horse of all time). I have a horse whose sire is Mr. Prospector. A 7 yo. Other than that its ok but nothing amazing I don't think. Check it out if you like.
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| 43 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, May 23, 17:48
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DANG, DANG, DANG. NO SKINNY NOOSE FOR EITHER OF US. And, just as I feared, most of my top horses were picked off by others. Worse, I only got 1 of the scrubs I wanted!!!!!!
Sigh. I'm going to try to sign up for races real quick. Probably too late, but I'll try.
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| 44 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, May 23, 18:12
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Sigh. I've entered 8 races for my 4 horses. Only bothered to do jockeys for 4 of the 8 tracks. These guys suck.
Here's my damage (WHY did I sign up for a 4th stable, WHY??? Pick # listed first):
5. Private Count (25K) -- 4F -- Rubiano x Private Account x T.V. Lark. Each of these sires are notable in their own right. However, they don't mix well, IMO. Rubiano turf, Private Account Dirt, TV unknown. I'm sending this filly to Europe and praying she's a turfer. . .
8. Drunken Badger (5K) -- 4M -- Far Out East x Proctor x Lawgiver. FOE has some success in the sim, but not much. Proctor is a dead zero, but a Gruastark prodigy. Lawgiver from Bold Ruler. I just chose this guy because I was HOPING he would be one of my SCRUBS . . . SIGH.
x. Buda U. Spread the Rumor x Creag-An-Sgor(Ire) x Draft Card. Where to begin with this mess? Damascus in the sire line. Dam-sire who knows. Gallant Man in DDS. Maybe some endurance here. . . What a mess.
x. Gorilla Rusty(IRE). I like the name. My brother-in-law got his masters at a school with Gorillas as the mascot. J. Burns is a friend of mine. Oh wait. He's a D-S. . . GEEZ. If anyone can decipher this lineage, you're a horse stud. . .
1. Blocked (of course). Sal At the Bell. MiswakixDamascus is the reason I put #1. I've got to get over my Miswaki infatuation. Hard Work DDS gives this choice a questionable rating.
And that, my friends, is what you call a blood bath.
My other draft choices:
2. 59670 -- Unjust Can -- 49er, Turkoman, Lord Rebeau.
3. 54317 -- Skinny Noose
4. 47606 -- name unknown. Gone West progeny
6. 46617 -- name unknown. Partner's Hero x Crafty ProspectorxRaconteur
7. 33075. Scrub pick. Hagley Mill x Society Max x Tom Tulle (Tom Rolfe progeny)
Sigh. Let me try to find my detached limbs around here somewhere . . . Maybe I can get them put back on at the hospital. Sigh.
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| 45 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, May 23, 18:17
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Sunday89
1. Blantantly Spank. How did you find a Mr. Prospector progeny????? There weren't any when I signed up. Sigh. Breed, breed, breed. Although at age 7 he could have a year or two left.
2. Out with Colony. This horse has real potential. Strong Dam-side, and decent sire potential coming from Alydar. This horse should have some endurance.
3. El Guitar. You've got yourself a very capable horse at 10+f here, although more info. on the sire would help confirm that.
4. Iago's rule. Sea-bird in sire line, Speed from Raise a Native, and I should recall Tudor Minstrel, but don't right now. This is a bargain breed horse, but you have some hope.
5. Cankerous Pedal. Uh. Uh. Uh. Got some great-grandparents that are aces. . . hahaha. This chick could fit in with Madman4. . . Sorry. didn't mean to put her down like that . . .
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| 46 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, May 23, 18:24
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Goatlocker
I don't recognize many of those lines upon further review. So let me just make a few generalizations.
13295 can be a real winner. The fact that he's unblocked should give you some hope. I'll be interested to see how he does. Damside is top notch quality with some speed.
The other horses you picked all have potential, but I don't see any guarantees (LOL. Like anything is guaranteed by looking at the breeding . . . you never know). That blocked horse, I don't see much of anything there. Curious. They always seem to have blocked my best horse. . . Not with you, however. . . or anyone else I know. Sigh.
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| 47 | Toral
ID: 1418917
Fri, May 25, 08:25
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Well, I went and dood it. Toral 2 is up and running. 4 of the 5 horses received were on my list. For anybody picking a stable right now, take a look at 41641 Apple You, who I didn't get, and is still available. Yum, yum, by Summer Squall, 525 BP.
Maybe Madman can give me a review? All I'll say is that this stable was selected for a specific purpose, and Bead Pick, Kangaroo Minstrel and Eight Arc are the 3 horses I got that instantiate this purpose.
There was also a Storm Cat 3-year old available when I signed up, Pro Alex (421 BP). He appears to have disappeared, and his id#, 50587, belongs to an entirely different horse.
Toral
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| 48 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 3505622
Mon, May 28, 19:00
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A friend of mine just got a stable. Anybody that wants to give an initial review and suggestions is appreciated. Stable name 7iron.
thanks.
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| 49 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 3505622
Sun, Jun 17, 10:47
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I put in for a stable review for my first stable stlcards. I don't normally check the forums that often so if anyone sees a response I would appreciate it if you alert me here. I have no idea how long it normally takes them. Thanks.
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| 50 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Fri, Jun 29, 08:18
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Stable review of StLCards by Iago
ERICA BARK: Not without hope; SP#s have improved in every start. You've been running her short on the dirt, but, to me, the pedigree says grass and about a mile. Low/mid-level MSW.
HOT REPULBLIC: Obscure sire doesn't inspire much confidence, despite the presence of super-stud Danzig on the dam's side. Bound for MCLs.
DEALER DIXIE: I don't know this stallion, either. The good news is that this colt has passed horses in both of his last two starts; he may want even more distance, and he appears to handle either surface.
FRENCH IRON: 6YO's best run came in a 5.5f dirt affair; not surprising, as that was damsire's To B. Or Not's preferred trip. I don't really have a read on how Marscay has been doing in the sim.
NEATLY IMPREGNATE [blocked/unraced].
DUKE ICE: Couldn't handle the massive class jump last out ($2K claiming to unrestricted allowance), and, judging from the running lines I can see, will probably need to find some relatively cheap NW4L claimers to contend for another win.
HERO GRUB: This 4YO filly appears to have some talent. I'd keep her running against her own sex, I'd keep her running at least a mile, and, given her pedigree, I'd definitely exploit the turf ability she displayed in week #977.
MASS POINT: Low level claimer clearly has a preference for dirt sprints.
Good luck. Iago.
Not a very glowing review, but about what I expected since this was my first stable. $5K claimer Hero Grub seems to be the building block for this stable (as pointed out by Madman earlier). Will have to work at finding the right races for the rest and then eventually to the claimers I would imagine.
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| 51 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, Jun 29, 14:48
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I was keeping an eye out. They took a long time to finally get down to yours. Bucksplash didn't do one of her "I'm going to lick 30 review today!" spiels. . .
Honestly, I'm not sure that's the greatest quality review you could get. Iago doesn't seem to go much in depth, ironically enough.
I do think Hero Grub is your horse for now. Take advantage of that 5K tag when possible. But, honestly, right now, all your horses are expendable. Work on getting claimers. And don't be afraid to lose horses. Getting 20K for a horse out of a Maiden Claim can do a young stable a lot of good. This week there are a number of very cheap auction horses that you can pick up for under 5K. And you always have the cheaper claim rankings to hopefully strike gold in again.
Get yourself a few Hero Grubs (5K claimers who can go 80-90), and you'll be on your way.
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| 52 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sat, Jul 07, 23:40
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JKAYE1 STABLE REVIEW BY IAGO:
APRIL FIREWORKS: [blocked/unraced].
EXCESSIVE GEORGE: The sim doesn't like Lure so much...apparently, it doesn't like his kids, either. MCLs.
SECRET GROOVE: 10YO horse is bred to go much, much further than 5.5f. Stretch him out, and try him on the grass ASAP.
MIXED UP RIDE: Doesn't appear to be much quality here. Pedigree suggests dirt and middle distances...but I have a feeling it won't matter much.
SHEEN ALLEN: SP#s are respectable. Another one that probably wants two turns...grass, too, maybe.
DIXIE'S BUNGEES: Needs bottom claimers to be effective.
FRANK MUSIC: Seems marginally better as a dirt sprinter; packs a nice stretch kick against low-level competition.
Good luck. Iago.
Pretty brief. But the way Iago's forum is going now, I suppose we're lucky to get anything at all.
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| 53 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, Aug 14, 17:55
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Toral2 Stabel Review By Bucksplash:
ALL STAR GATOR: Pedigree is actually okay, heavy on main track speed influences with stamina stallion Crepello(GB) on the bottom. Hasn't done much of anything yet, though, so I would drop her to the maiden claiming ranks ($10-15k). Might try turf just to see what happens; some horses run well on the wrong surface.
KANGAROO MINSTREL(IRE): Now that's a little more like it. Crackerjack in the money record and a pedigree that says turf and distance no problem at all. He's hit several soft fields - I'm surprised at a high-purse allowance being won with an 85 SR - but there's no knocking success. Should handle 10f.
EIGHT ARC: Nice turf stamina pedigree, with a speedy Bold Ruler son on bottom. Debut wasn't much; reload, cut back to a mile, and give it another shot. Wavering Monarch sired two-year-old Eclipse winner Maria's Mon, who was no slouch on the main track.
NAPKIN KICKING: Shown more talent than pedigree would suggest, especially since it's sprinting on the dirt. He's bred top and bottom to go long and has every right to handle the green stuff.
BEAD PICK(GB)(blocked): Turf stamina stallion in Diesis(GB), but female family is speed, speed, speed. I'd sprint once on each surface and then try to stretch out.
SOUL WAY(GB): Pedigree begs for a route of ground, but hasn't shown much ability thus far. I'd stick with the claimers and try to find out how far he'll go. Actually looks quite comparable on the dirt.
RUSTY TRIP: Debut was horrid, but pedigree gives him the right to improve, especially as the distances increase. Either surface a possibility.
SOLDIER COUNTY: Wild Again is underrated and underused as a sim sire; he throws talented, versatile sorts. The female family here is turfy and long-winded and I can't see what he thought of his only turf try; might be worth revisting. Not a top-flight horse, but probably a useful claimer in the $10-15k range.
HANK'S RATTLES: Interesting mix, giving him the credentials to be any sort, and past performances say the same. 12f win was lucky and gritty over a weak field, though "weak field" and "claiming marathon" are more or less synonymous. The slow time and narrow margin tell me he'd be in over his head against the legitimate marathon horses. Which is fine, because he's quite a handy sprinter/miler type and should hold his own against high-tag claimers.
GOLD RIVER: Surface-versatile, long-winded pedigree; I'd say it's in your best interests to find out how far this fellow is willing to go.
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| 54 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, Aug 15, 18:36
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Cab31 review:
Well-handled so far. You've done a pretty good job both placing and resting your horses. I was wondering if you've been running the horses on Jockey Select or if you've been asking them to come from off of the pace, as you seem to have an abnormal number of horses trying to be closers. If you have been asking them to come from the back, I'd be inclined to try them a couple of times on Jockey Select just to see what the horses want to do. If it's just an anomaly, you can go ahead and ignore that last sentence.
Sparky Brush (4yo Colt): Well placed in moderate-purse MSW's--that's where he belongs. He got a mile last go and even though he lost ground in the stretch he was passing horses, which is a good sign. I'd ask him for 8.5-9 furlongs next try to see if he can get it--his blood leans more to speed, so I wouldn't expect him to go much beyond that, but you won't know until you've tried it. If you don't have any luck in a couple of tries over two turns, you could always bring him back to sprints--I've had a few sprinters who, after running a couple of races at 8+ furlongs, have really picked up their speed ratings.
Our Idols (4yo Colt): His breeding is pretty turfy, and the move to the lawn really seemed to wake him up. Blushing Groom was a champion miler in Europe and sired Arazi and Rainbow Quest, among others, so there is a good deal of class here. I'd keep him in mid-level MSW's and ask for distance on the turf--he'll probably get a least a couple more furlongs. If he doesn't want to route then turf springs are worth a try, as there is some speed in his lines as well.
Hick Succeeding (5yo Horse): This guy is linebred to Nearco and unsurprisingly showed that he'd rather run on the turf. He was in over his head in Japan, though--$49K MSW's are a lot to ask for. He should go beyond a mile, so I'd ask him to try 9-9.5 furlongs on the grass next time out in a $20-$30K MSW (keep him in Europe/Australasia, as turf races are much easier to find there). 5 races in 8 weeks is pushing it a bit, even for an older male. I'd try to give him 2-3 weeks off as a general rule--running back-to-back weeks is alright once in a while but you'll usually want to rest him for a few weeks after doing so, especially if he's running routes.
Raindrop Mark (3yo Colt): His breeding says he should be a versatile sprint/mile type, but I really can't tell if he wants to go over a mile or not. He ran a nice 8 furlongs on dirt and closed very strongly, but when asked for 9 he seemed to balk a bit--may have just not fired, may have not wanted to go past a mile. His race on the lawn was solid and it usually is easier to win there, so I'd bring him back to 6-6.5 furlongs, once on each surface, in $20-$30K MSW's and see if he shows a true surface preference, then return to a mile and try to extend slowly from there.
Paunchi's Horses (3yo Colt): Only one race, and a good one, so I'll be relying pretty heavily on his breeding here. Which could get interesting. I don't know a lot about Departing Prints. He is inbred 3x3 to Bold Ruler, a remarkable sire (produced a horse named Secretariat, among many other stars), so there should be some quality blood in him somewhere. I would guess that he tends to produce milers with surface versatility. Buckaroo tends to be a sprint/mile influence as a sire, but as a damsire he usually passes a little more stamina slong. Hold Your Peace tends to be a very strong speed influence, though there is a lot of stamina in his lines, but I'll assume that the usual trends bear out. Thus, you've probably got a horse that will follow my thoughts on his sire and be at his best around a mile. His debut was on an off-track, so I think you'll have a better idea of what he can do after trying him on a fast dirt track and on the turf. A $48K MSW may be a little too high (off tracks tend to produce softer fields), but he acquitted himself well so I'd keep him in high MSW's and see what he can do.
Jay Theatre (4yo Colt): He comes from an Argentinian sire line that I don't know much about, but for the most part I would expect that you have a turf router. He looks pretty steady in the mid-60's on the dirt, but I'd keep him out of claimers until he's had a shot on the lawn. I'd move him up to a low MSW and try a 6-6.5 furlong turf race, then stretch him out to a mile and beyond.
Explosive Miner (3yo Colt): His turf try was uninspiring, but Mr. Prospector and his get generally will give you dirt speed, so that's not shocking. He looked good on the sloppy dirt, so spotting him in races that are likely to be on off-tracks could be very useful in the future. For now, I'd ask him for a dirt mile or so in a very low starter allowance to see what he does. If he doesn't seem to like that then I'd go back to sprinting--I've had a few sprinters that really improved after I'd asked them for distance a few times and then brought them back to sprints. Also, he only has 2 wins, so if you have to move him into claimers then use NW3L and NW4L restrictions whenever possible.
Voyage Grimacing (3yo Colt): Linebred to the speedy Nasrullah but there is a good deal of class sprinkled around the pedigree, so I'd expect a short-route type. He likes the dirt and has shown that he can get over a mile, so I'd try to find out how far he wants to go. Nicely placed in his last race, doesn't look like you need a whole lot of help with him.
American Car (3yo Colt): Surprisingly, this guy showed no interest whatsoever in the urf. He was a bit over his head last time out; I'd try a $5K or lower starter allowance at a flat mile on the dirt next race (may as well take advantage of his low tag) and then stretch him from there. There's a good deal of stamina on his damside that could get him to 10 furlongs or possibly even a bit beyond.
Jinx Darnning (4yo Colt): His turf try was awful, which really surprises me--enough so that it may be worth asking him to do it once more at some point in time, to see if he just didn't fire that day. For now, I'd assume that he's trying to tell you that he really does prefer the main track. I'd oblige him and ask for a mile or so on the dirt in a $15-$20K NW2L claimer and see how that works out--it doesn't look like he has the speed to be competitive in even low restricted allowances, but you could give it a shot if you're feeling rather optomistic.
I hope this has helped somewhat--as I said at the outset, you've done a nice job handling your horses so far and it looks like you've got the hang of things. It looks like you've got a solid stable, so keep up the good work and best of luck,
Bet Twice
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Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Wed, Oct 24, 09:40
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User: aussie
Comments:
Dusty Colony - Nothing wrong with the horse, and nothing wrong with the way you are placing him. Just plain unlucky to be still a maiden after six starts. Persevere, perhaps look lower value track to get the maiden out of the way, then consider one or two on the turf. I know the breeding says dirt, but the sim is a strange animal.
Hardly Piddle - I wouldn’t want a horse with this name in my stable, It would never pass the censor in Aus. All that aside, he’s on the way and getting closer. It looks like you can be fairly confident that dirt sprinting is the caper. You’re running him on the most competitive circuit in the sim. I’d be looking to the cheaper tracks for now.
Country Jodie - The dirt sprint numbers are far superior to the others, although the breeding suggests she should get further (perhaps later on.) Use the restrictions. Unrestricted allowances, even at the cheaper tracks, are tough assignments.
Country Waters - Time to bite the bullet. Weak maiden claimers. Give the grass another try.
Wingo’s Shipments - The result in his second race was impressive, but the field, although big, was weak. There’s nothing in the bloodlines to suggest too bright a future, but he could continue to improve with experience. Keep going at a similar level, but be prepared for the claiming ranks.
Retired Dan - He only cost $2,000 and he’s repayed you three times already. Well done. Sire is by Sir Ivor and Damsire by Nijinsky, so it’s time to try the grass.
Dinky Boy - Nicely bred, but not living up to the bloodlines. He’s a low to mid level claimer, but if you’re determined to keep him, then you are doing the right thing with starter and CPU restricted allowances.
Frugal Buddy - Great first up speed figure for a two year old, and although the breeding is unimpressive, he obviously deserves a few chances before considering claimers. You took him straight to the top by going to Kentucky. Look for something a little softer.
Nine Rally - Great breeding, and a top run last start. Sire is dirt, but Damsire Riverman is one of the great turf distance influences. He’s only had one run on the grass, so consider a re-visit, but if he maintains the current form you may be happy to keep him where he is.
Rich Wine - If you picked her up for $5,000, congratulations. She should work through the allowance restrictions, and that starter allowance tag is a bonus.
The only comment I’d make is that there are some horses which clearly belong in claimers. The sim is structured to reward the risks we taking by entering them. I’m all for loyalty, and I’m guilty of hanging on to some of mine for far too long, but there is no joy in watching underachievers get thrashed every start.
Good Luck
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Donor
ID: 369213123
Thu, Nov 08, 2001, 20:04
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User: calle
Comments:
Your stables look spretty ok to me try to claim a few more you have done a catch in the Gone west son that you claimed. My best advice is to take easy and slow and don't hurry up.
MOVIE DAN
This one has been doing pretty good , but he has had to hard competitors. Unbridled in the sireline 8f and up so try on MSW routes both surfaces i would think dirt is best, but not sure
SHELLEY'S CROC
Zilzal has left turfwinners 8f smarten 6-8f dirt so try it there and lower maidens
MR. BERT
Western Symphoni has left turfsprinters mostly but also Cherontessa won on 12.5 f i think turf is right so try there start with 8f and work your way !
OUT BELOW THE TOP
Lot's of turfinfluence so try turf 8f and and compare with dirt sp.Lower MSW races .
DREAM PICK AX
dirt 6-8f should suit this one.
PARADE SHOOTING(GB)
with this one you seem to have found the key yourself, warning suggest turf so just to be sure find a race over 10f turf to compare find restricted allowances and keep up the good work.
JONATHON'S NUNS
A great claim i think Gone west suggest 8 furlongs and up has left winners on both turf and dirt Country Pine suggest turf so i think he might improve on turf so try him there in MSW races.
RETURN CAR
Guess you have claimed this one recently turf and distance i would say but accordingf to the last races i would go on with dirt restricted allowances routes.
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