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0 Subject: Raw spoilers 12/15

Posted by: Mike D
- Sustainer [23715270] Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 21:07

This just in: Christian is fun to watch. Who has him anyway? He's a great heel.
1Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 21:09
agreed

what i am happy to see is that 3 members of evolution are in a tag match. so if they win they can only get 25 points, instead of the 30 they would get for a single's win (as well as the pts for defending a title). what i am really hoping is that they do the job tonight to return the favor for last night. or at least lose via the DQ.

But yeah, Christian is fast becoming the top heel in this show.
2Mike D
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      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 21:13
Y2J is getting treated poorly by Bisch. He's gonna snap soon.
3Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 21:17
i wish they would stop toying around and get Trish and Lita to get together, so to speak.


This Foley thing should be interesting. I suspect it will lead to him wrestling.
4Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 21:21
Awesome video montage. Like the song too.
5Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 21:21
FOLEY! FOLEY! FOLEY!
6Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 21:28
i love that song. i have for a while. just a bit overplayed though.


oh man we need a foley win tonight. if evolution wins one more match i make get sick.
7Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 21:29
Forget it. No way he wins now that they made it an IC title match.
8Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 21:38
well, he can win via DQ.

But I wouldn't be shocked to see him take the IC strap and then dump it off to to somebody super fast. It seems like a nice thank you to let him hold the belt.
9Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 22:05
Man, the six man tag was bumped to 10 o'clock. Who is the actual main event? Kane/Y2J? Nah, gotta be FOLEY! FOLEY! FOLEY!

Heckuva night of wrestling.
10Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 22:19
Wow, 6 man tag still going. Incredible. PPV length (as it should be).
11Mike D
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      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 22:22
Finally ends-----what a match. I guess I should have been calling it a 5 man tag, but that sounds very strange.
12Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 22:23
wow, HHH did the job to somebody? I am shocked. I figured if anybody did it would be Batista. Very rarely does the heavyweight champ job to anybody, especially HHH.

Mike D.- you think Foley will lose tonight? I still think somehow Foley wins.
13Mike D
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      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 22:24
I think Orton keeps his nickname intact.
14Farn
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      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 22:28
i don't understand, don't they have anyone else they could put on TV besides Rico? I think this guy stinks, and the crowd doesn't care about him.

How bout Hurricane?
15Mike D
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      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 22:30
Hurricane is in the doghouse.
16Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 22:33
yeah, i read that. but i would still rather see him than Rico, doghouse or not.

Rico is just bad. very boring.

Let Hurricane chokeslam the whole company. I don't care. Just keep Rico off TV, especially in the 2nd hour. Put him on Heat or something.
17Farn
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      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 22:53
dudleys, shane, hbk, stacey, rvd, hurricane, and rosey all just appeared as foley walked through.

there were 2 guys with stacey but i couldn't see them fast enough.

just pointing this out incase we are giving 2 points to all those guys, which we typically do.
18wiggs
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      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:02
I think we decided that it has to be more then a passing shot to get the points. I could be wrong, but i think i remember someone saying they actually have to do something.
19Farn
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      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:02
ok, now i am confused, what the hell is going on with foley?
20Mike D
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      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:06
Geez, I hope so wiggs. Dudleys spoke, as did RVD and HBK. Not sure if anyone else did.

Farn, I like it. It's confusing, but I like it. Not what anyone really expected.
21Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:11
alright, lets analyze this.

What was the exact stipulation? Because the match never officially started. The bell never rang. So he never lost. Technically he shouldn't have to leave.

My guess is that he made some kind of promise to his kids that he would never wrestle again and he didn't want to go back on it. Either that or he found a loophole in the match that will allow him to say he won because he didn't lose tonight.

Either way its a good move. It will for sure have people tuned in next week. Could it be? Could the McMahons finally be setting up a storyline instead of just haphazardly throwing one out there?
22Mike D
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      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:16
I think Mick just plays the emotional angle of his kids, wife, the injury history, etc.. It may end up being someone like Linda McMoney who points out that the match never started, and that it can't be official.
23wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:32
sorry farn, and mike D, I missed that part coming in, I was taping it, but flipped over. I thought you meant when they flashed the guys in the back when foley was leaving.
24wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:33
next week is a best of week, so we will have to wait 2 weeks to find out I think.
25Mike D
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      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:33
Nah, when he was coming out for his match. It was actually pretty cool.
26wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:33
Tough night for Rolling Thunder

1) Goldberg gets DeActivated
2) Flair and Batista Lose
3) Orton's Match doesnt happen.
27Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:39
yeah, that's a real shame. maybe 2nd place in Season 2 can now finish within 500 points of you. :)


2 weeks? damnit, my ADD says I need an answer now.
28Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:40
Well, then accept mine as correct. ;)
29Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:46
Christian is fantastic. Always one of my favorites, and my Round 2 pick from Season 1.

wiggs.....after the night you had last night, if you ever (bleeeeeeeeeeping) complain about points, I'll have to stomp a mudhole in your a$$....... ;-)
30Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:49
Lol---I knew you had him in season V-1nuhhhhh.
31wiggs
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      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:52
Species, I am not complaining, I am just saying that I dont necessarily have anything locked up.
32Mike D
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      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:54
wiggs, he knows, check the smiley at the end.
33wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:57
I see the smiley, I was just letting everyone else know.
34Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 23715270
      Mon, Dec 15, 2003, 23:58
LMAO! wiggs, as a first place dude and likely winner, you are the "anti-Species."

LOL! He talked enough trash last season for the both of you! ;)
35Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 217351118
      Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 06:40
Wiggs 18, correct. In recent SD shows where FBI are taking bets in the back and there is a mob of people there we've only been awarding vignette points to the people that were more active. Dudleys definately get points, they were speaking to Foley on camera by themselves, right? I don't know who else.
36Tree
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      ID: 1811571518
      Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 07:01
we decided that in passing shots, there are no points. speaking parts definitely get points however.

i missed it last night. reading it on rajah makes what happened sound VERY confusing, and if i were a fan in live attendance, i'd be pissed, although the 5-man tag match, which i did watch, was phenomenal. for the first time in a long time, i got into a match, and yelled "YEAAAA!!" when HBKRVDABCIBMPCPICP won....
37Mike D
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      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 08:12
Definitely both Dudleys and definitely HBK. Mick told HBK there would be an HBK/HHH World Title match in 2 weeks during that "walk" to the ring. I saw RVD yell to Foley (something like kick his butt Mick) but RVD wasn't right next to Mick or anything. Mick did look his way and give him a nod. That's a bit more questionable than HBK/Dudleys, and I think can go either way, honestly. I own him, so someone else can make the call if they want. The points aren't much anyway.
38wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 211116514
      Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 10:02
guys, farn was right, they should all get points, i missed the part coming to the ring when I posted, I only saw him leaving and that was just a flash of some superstars, they shouldnt get points, but dudleys, hbk, rvd, hurricane and rosie should all get points, maybe more, it was quick.
39Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 10:45
Here's what PWScoops has:
Mick Foley was shown walking through the backstage area and a number of Superstars wished Mick the best of luck and the Dudley Boyz said after the match, they need to talk about their Tag Team Titles and Mick agreed. Mick came across Shawn Michaels and he wished Shawn luck in his match in two weeks time in San Antonio, Texas against Triple H for the World Heavyweight Title! Mick's making that match now and he's going to be there in two weeks to witness it!
Tim Whitehead @ 1Wrestling.com:
A bunch of babyface wrestlers, including the Dudleys, encouraged Foley backstage. HBK was there, and Foley said he has ordered an HHH title defense against him for RAW in two weeks, given that HBK pinned HHH in the tag match earlier.
John Keane @ 1Wrestling.com:
Cut to CACTUS F’ING JACK making his way to the ring. Fan favorite side of the Raw roster wish him luck, last to do so is Shawn Michaels. Mick in turn wishes HBK good luck-he announces in 2 weeks he’ll be getting a shot at Hunter’s World Championship. Final break.
I wasn't paying close enough attention to say for myself, so if someone says Hurricane and Rosie deserve points as well, sounds right to give it to them, the Dudleys and HBK.
40Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 10:46
...and RVD. So long as they each spoke individually, I guess.
41Farn
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      ID: 511151168
      Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:28
well, some of the people i listed didn't have a real speaking role. the just sort of yelled "good luck mick".
42Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:34
I don't think that should be enough to get points.
43Mike D
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      Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 11:37
Dudleys and HBK for sure.
44 Great One
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      Tue, Dec 16, 2003, 19:25
Tree - I lost your email - but I have a question for you....
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