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Subject: Draft Pick Swapping
Posted by: Great One
- [141172214] Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 15:23
Trading Draft Picks
I don't know if anyone else has done this. I know Tree and I did in Hoops.
I am clearly gonna have the number 1 pick next year barring Orlando Jordan winning the world title and defending on every TV show...
But the number of the pick is irrelevant. Just like the Knicks trading their First Round Pick for Marbury.
Whoever trades with me is eseentially gonna get Brock or HHH, neither of which I want.
And I think we all agree all of our seasons are over, so some might wanna trade who they can't keep anyway.
This is essentially what I wanna do - using sample names for illustration purposes.
Trade - Ultimo Dragon and my first round pick to Species for his first rounder and Y2J.
I just can't figure out how to do that and hold that guy, which I am not sure is possible to hold the guy I acquire, so I am probably gonna have to wait -
but in terms of just swapping picks -
Again, thats just an illustration. If its possible to trade picks- I can now brainstorm how to trade down to about the 3-5 pick and get an extra productive body out of it.
I would imagine by the time the draft comes around, I can just draft Brock and then just trade him for to someone in that range too, but I was just looking at other possibilities.
I guess I need to know who is gonna be interested in trading for those guys or that spot so I can look at their rosters and plan accordingly... I am just getting this typed while its fresh in my head and I will BUTT it as the draft nears.
Just gauging interest on who will wanna make a move.
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| 1 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 15:27
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Interesting idea, and I might be interested, though I’m not up on my team much right now as far as who will ultimately be a keeper, where I am in the standings, etc.. Your idea could promote interest and activity and that’s always a plus, IMHO.
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| 2 | Tree
Donor
ID: 599393013
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 15:34
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yea, i need to catch up on the standings a bit. i must admit that this game helped me get back into the WWE a bit (i wasn't into it at all when we started), but my interest is waning again because of the whole HHH thing.
it was bad enough for me that HHH became essentially invincible, and now everyone in Evolution was invincible.
i think they've tried to create the impression that Evolution is kind of like the new Four Horsemen.
the difference for me is that i always felt that sooner or later, the faces would find a way to beat the Horsemen.
i don't feel that way with Evolution at all. :o(
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| 3 | Great One
ID: 141172214
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 15:37
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thats why I refuse to draft HHH. :)
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| 4 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 16:01
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GO- I would definately be up for a trade like that. Let me see if I can formulate a way to work a trade like that.
It would be much easier if our resident trade king, Mike D., would just come up with this plan though. Nobody knows trading like this guy.
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| 5 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 16:03
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I am all for trading picks. There are several issues (not problems, but issues) this presents.1) This should be voted on. We have plenty of time, but we should start now. I think it safe to assume that we have 2 Yeas (Great One and me) so far in favor of trading picks.
2) There is a very limited amount of time for us to declare our keepers and draft. I believe we got everything done in one week last offseason in spite of the keeper changing fiasco (which I still adamantly maintain was handled very wrong, but that is a discussion for another thread - one I intend to start in another couple of weeks). But if we try to add into our brief offseason a period of negotiations, we run the risk of having to delay the start of the season.
One easy remedy might be to extend the offseason to two weeks, which would seem like an adequate amount of time. Another (better?) idea is to leave the start of the season open. The season 2 draft was completed in 4.5 days, so we could set the start date for Season 3 at the time of the start of the draft, when we will have a better idea for how long it will take us to be ready.
3) We would have to decide at exactly what point or points we can trade draft picks. Can we trade our draft picks before the end of Season 2? Can we trade after the completion of Season 2 but before keepers are declared (remember, draft positions aren't set until after keepers are declared)? Can we trade roster spots once keepers are declared and draft positions are set, meaning that we would only be able to deal our declared keepers at that time?
4) Should managers be allowed to forego a draft pick in one of the rounds (or have multiple picks in a round)? For example, should someone be able to trade a wrestler and a 3rd round pick for a lesser wrestler and a 2nd round pick, meaning one manager will wind up with two 2nd round picks and the other with two 3rd rounders? I know, I know, I'm a p.i.t.a., but I'm just trying to head off any potential rule disagreements and frustration instead of being forced to deal with them during a time crunch (like the keeper fiasco prior to last year's draft).
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| 6 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 16:06
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Well said MITH (about you being a pita. The rest ain't bad either). ;)
Farn, I had a pretty easy time dealing with GO on a Belly Hoops trade recently. He's elevating his status in the trading world, further evidenced by this thread, and his recent dealings. Gotta give him props. Almost brings a tear to my eye.
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| 7 | Great One
ID: 141172214
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 16:07
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yeah, I would love to be able to trade a number 1 for 2 number two's or something along those lines. I guess you could just add a body to even it out.
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| 8 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 16:11
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Great One- I think one problem with this possible trade is that if you acquire a guy such as Y2J....ah, let me use my guys for an example.
If you acquire say Big Show from me, I would also end up dropping Eddie G as my top scorer. So basically I would be trading say Big Show, Eddie G, and my #1 pick for Ultimo and your #1 pick (Brock or HHH). So that's an impossible move for somebody to make. I would say realistically you would have to weaken your request for a guy who would be that closer to a top scorer. I would say you would have to drop to a 3rd scorer on a team?
For example, maybe Molly or Victoria on my team plus a #1 pick for Ultimo and your #1. That's just an idea obviously, but somebody giving up a scorer like Y2J might be a bit steep.
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| 9 | Great One
ID: 141172214
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 16:17
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well i wouldn't be able to trade for a top scorer - BEFORE - because I would subsequently have to give them up. (though in a roundabout way, I would be able to keep Test which I want to do)...
This might work - for example - with Jazz - who scored 0 so far.. I get her and trade down a few spots.
... trade her now for say Ultimo - and then we both agree to swap our draft choices - whether we make them for each other or not.
Does that make sense?
Again, this is based on which guys are in that 3-5 range and the availablity of the guy I plan on taking with that pick.
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| 10 | Great One
ID: 141172214
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 16:23
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and yeah, Farn... we would both wind up losing those guys in your example. So that wouldn't really work unless it was made post draft.
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| 11 | wiggs
ID: 211116514
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 16:39
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tree, did you get my email? I sent you an email with everyones results broken down by team to your home and your work email. let me know if you didnt get it, i kept a copy for myself.
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| 12 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 16:44
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exactly.
my guess would be that the only way this swapping works would be if it was done pre/post draft. Basically you would agree to the deal but couldn't make it officially until after the draft.
Then again though, who is going to give up a scorer like Y2J or Big Show/Eddie plus a #1 for Ultimo and Brock/HHH?
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| 13 | wiggs
ID: 211116514
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 16:46
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i got no problem with pick trading.
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| 14 | Tree
Donor
ID: 599393013
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 17:21
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pick trading - i love it.
but i think the picks have to be even, so everyone STILL has four picks. i.e. you trade a first and 4th for a 2nd and 3rd.
i realize that makes pick trading difficult, because we have such a short draft - only four rounds.
but i think to maintain the integrity of the draft, everyone must have four picks.
wiggs - i did get the email - haven't had a chance to check it out, but if you saved me work from last week, thank you! :o)
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| 15 | wiggs
ID: 211116514
Thu, Jan 08, 2004, 17:25
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Tree,
All I did was break down each team, and listed the points that each scored in week 17 next to it. That way you can just go to your spread sheet and punch in some numbers. I was going to redo the top scorers for you, but i didnt know if you had a way to do it. If not, let me know and I will try to do that for you too. You really arent that far behind because week 16 didnt count and I did 17 for you and we are in 18 now. Its all good bro.
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