Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall
- [217351118] Fri, May 07, 2004, 20:39
Standings
Wk1
Wk2
Wk3
Wk4
Wk5
Wk6
Total
Lst WK
1
Big Red Show - Farn
84
132
72
175
123
89
675
1
2
Latin Superhero Champions - Kev
26
74
62
253
84
74
573
2
3
Rolling Suckas - Wiggs
95
72
128
144
51
60
550
3
4
Natural Born Thrillers - Great One
87
79
42
153
91
97
549
5
5
Googling Farooq - Tree
61
87
63
152
92
76
531
4
6
Eight Henchmen - Goatlocker
78
104
36
134
98
61
511
6
7
This is Extreme - Mike D
71
62
43
131
107
46
460
7
8
Latino Beer Guzzlers - Young Gunz
98
34
91
128
49
30
430
8
9
The Flying Jalapenos - MITH
78
68
65
130
10
34
385
9
10
Endangered Species
13
83
46
85
32
49
308
10
Individual Scoring
Team Stats
Chris Benoit
334
Rolling Suckas
Triple H
198
Wiggs
Active
This Week
Total Team Points
Total Points
Edge
191
Booker T
X
4
142
142
Shelton Benjamin
188
Randy Orton
X
14
129
129
Kane
164
Rob Van Dam
X
35
114
114
John Cena
162
Mick Foley
X
83
90
Tajiri
156
Rey Myterio
35
25
60
Ric Flair
156
Kurt Angle
X
7
53
53
Bubba Dudley
154
Sylvan Granier
X
4
50
Charlie Haas
149
Jeff Hardy
0
0
Shawn Michaels
148
0
Booker T
142
0
Chavo Guerrero
142
0
Eddie Guerrero
138
0
Devon Dudley
134
Total
60
550
Batista
134
Randy Orton
129
Googling Farooq
Chris Jericho
127
Tree
Active
This Week
Total Team Points
Total Points
Lita
124
Bubba Dudley
X
22
154
154
Rob Van Dam
114
Shawn Michaels
X
25
148
148
Christian
112
Chavo Guerrero
X
20
142
142
Victoria
110
Eugene Dinsmore
X
4
40
49
Rico
105
Danny Basham
X
5
35
35
Mick Foley
90
Grand Master Sexay
0
15
Rob Conway
90
Akio
12
12
Trish Stratus
88
Maven
X
0
0
Big Show
85
0
Spike Dudley
84
0
Gail Kim
82
0
Rhyno
75
0
Coach
73
0
Molly Holly
72
Total
76
531
Bradshaw
70
Rey Myterio
60
The Big Red Show
Renee Dupree
59
Farn
Active
This Week
Total Team Points
Total Points
Hurricane
59
Kane
X
35
164
164
Johnny Stamboli
59
Victoria
X
15
110
110
Chavo SR
57
Rico
X
37
105
Kurt Angle
53
Rob Conway
X
30
90
90
William Regal
53
Big Show
85
85
Eric Bischoff
52
Spike Dudley
84
84
Garrison Cade
51
Molly Holly
X
5
72
72
Nunzio
51
William Regal
X
4
33
53
Sylvan Granier
50
0
Eugene Dinsmore
49
0
Matt Hardy
47
0
Jacqueline
45
0
Rikishi
39
0
Johnny Nitro
39
Total
89
675
Rosie
37
Danny Basham
35
Endangered
Undertaker
35
Species
Active
This Week
Total Team Points
Total Points
Mark Jindrak
35
Christian
X
5
112
112
Doug Basham
35
Eric Bischoff
X
7
52
52
Torrie Wilson
34
Matt Hardy
X
7
47
47
Nidia
30
Undertaker
X
30
35
35
Scotty 2 Hotty
27
Mark Jindrak
X
35
35
Jerry Lawler
22
Scotty 2 Hotty
X
27
27
Stacy Kiebler
20
Scott Steiner
0
0
Dawn Marie
18
Mordechi
0
0
Lance Storm
17
0
Tyson Tomko
17
0
Orlando Jordan
17
0
Jim Ross
17
0
Paul Heyman
17
0
Theodore Long
16
Total
49
308
Grand Master Sexay
15
Jazz
15
The Flying Jalapenos
Hardcore Holly
15
MITH
Active
This Week
Total Team Points
Total Points
Billy Gunn
15
Shelton Benjamin
X
25
188
188
Al Snow
15
Trish Stratus
X
5
88
88
Steven Richards
15
Bradshaw
X
4
70
70
Paul London
15
Rikishi
X
39
39
Akio
12
Vince McMahon
2
0
2
Sakoda
12
Matt Morgan
0
0
Miss Jackie
10
Chuck Pulumbo
X
0
0
Michael Cole
10
Kenzo Suzuki
X
0
0
Tazz
10
0
Harley Race
5
0
Val Venis
5
0
Enrique/Fast Eddie
5
0
Paco the Limo Driver
5
0
Paul Bearer
5
Total
34
385
Dr. Prichard
4
Limo Driver
4
This Is Extreme
Vince McMahon
2
Mike D
Active
This Week
Total Team Points
Total Points
Jamie Noble
2
Triple H
X
19
198
198
Steve Austin
2
Eddie Guerrero
X
9
64
138
Josh Matthews
2
Torrie Wilson
X
18
34
34
Shannon Moore
2
Nidia
X
0
30
Jeff Hardy
0
Lance Storm
17
17
Maven
0
Jazz
X
15
15
Scott Steiner
0
Hardcore Holly
X
15
15
Mordechi
0
Goldberg
0
0
Matt Morgan
0
0
Chuck Pulumbo
0
0
Kenzo Suzuki
0
0
Goldberg
0
0
Chris Nowinski
0
Chris Jericho
117
na
A-Train
0
Total
46
460
Farooq
0
Ultimo Dragon
0
Eight Henchmen
Billy Kidman
0
GoatLocker
Active
Total Team Points
Total Points
Brock Lesner
0
Charlie Haas
X
149
149
Mark Henry
0
Devon Dudley
X
22
134
134
Test
0
Batista
X
14
134
134
Renee Dupree
X
10
59
59
Doug Basham
X
15
35
35
Chris Nowinski
0
0
A-Train
X
0
0
Farooq
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Total
61
511
Latino Beer Guzzlers
Young Gunz
Active
This Week
Total Team Points
Total Points
Tajiri
X
25
156
156
Ric Flair
X
156
156
Chris Jericho
X
5
10
127
Tyson Tomko
X
5
10
17
Miss Jackie
X
0
10
Jamie Noble
X
2
2
Steve Austin
2
2
Ultimo Dragon
0
0
0
0
0
Nidia
30
na
Eddie Guerrero
74
na
Total
30
440
Latin Superhero Champions
Kev
Active
This Week
Total Team Points
Total Points
Chris Benoit
X
50
334
334
Lita
X
7
124
124
Hurricane
X
15
59
59
Garrison Cade
X
2
51
51
Rosie
X
0
37
Stacy Kiebler
X
5
20
Billy Gunn
0
15
Billy Kidman
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Total
74
573
Natural Born Thrillers
Great One
Active
This Week
Total Team Points
Total Points
Edge
X
25
191
191
John Cena
X
35
162
162
Gail Kim
X
35
82
82
Rhyno
X
75
75
Johnny Nitro
X
2
39
39
Brock Lesner
0
0
Mark Henry
0
0
Test
X
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Total
97
549
Free Agents
This Week
Total Points
Coach
2
73
Johnny Stamboli
12
59
Chavo SR
5
57
Nunzio
12
51
Jacqueline
45
45
Jerry Lawler
2
22
Dawn Marie
18
18
Orlando Jordan
17
Jim Ross
2
17
Paul Heyman
2
17
Theodore Long
16
Al Snow
15
Steven Richards
15
15
Paul London
15
Sakoda
12
Michael Cole
2
10
Tazz
2
10
Harley Race
5
Val Venis
5
Enrique/Fast Eddie
5
Paco the Limo Driver
5
Paul Bearer
5
Dr. Prichard
4
4
Limo Driver
4
Josh Matthews
2
2
Shannon Moore
2
1
Tree
ID: 43410619 Fri, May 07, 2004, 20:45
man, i've got three relatively high scorers, and then nothing. bubkus. sheesh.
2
kev
ID: 3155515 Sat, May 08, 2004, 01:21
Well, Chris Benoit is equal to more than half the points of any team in the leauge. And he wasn't the top pick....
3
Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Sat, May 08, 2004, 09:57
relax kev, we know you are the greatest drafter ever.
Try not to forget that 144 of those points came on back to back nights (backlash and raw in week 4). If not for those 2 outrageous totals you would be sucking wind near the bottom of the league.
4
wiggs
ID: 63301420 Sat, May 08, 2004, 10:04
my money would be on Kev finishing about 6-8th in the league. Also you better expect team suckas to start stepping it up. With Rey coming back that gives me 6 scorers again.
5
Great One
ID: 141172214 Sat, May 08, 2004, 12:30
Tree lost to a girl. :)
6
kev
ID: 3155515 Sat, May 08, 2004, 17:46
man, a little trash talking and making some obvious points and the 2 crybabies come out of the word work. You would think I was dissing the cowboys or something the way Wiggs jumped in.
7
wiggs
ID: 63301420 Sat, May 08, 2004, 18:36
Crybaby? How do you come to that conclusion? I was simply stating my opinion of how good I think your team really is. I think you have the best guy in the game right now in Benoit, and then I think your team is very weak. You dont even have a 6th scorer. I wasnt trying to make any type of insults towards you at all. Do you want me to say where I think each team will finish? If so I will.
8
Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118 Sat, May 08, 2004, 19:09
Catfight!
9
kev
ID: 3155515 Sat, May 08, 2004, 19:22
wiggs- it's trashtalk...just having some fun. Lets hug and pretend it didnt happen...
And in my defense, Benoit is gonna get me main event points through the whole season, unless he gets banged up. I do have a very strong RAW brand lineup, which means, after this upcoming PPV, I will probably take a slip. I will make it up though.
With Benoit, I only need 5 scorers...Tree only has 3 scorers.
But you Cowboy fans like to stick together!
10
j o s h
ID: 15431718 Sat, May 08, 2004, 19:30
hug? BORRRRRRING!!!!!
11
wiggs
ID: 63301420 Sat, May 08, 2004, 19:56
tree has eugene and basham who are scores too.
12
Tree
ID: 4641688 Sat, May 08, 2004, 20:05
Kev - one of the reasons i took Nick Dinsmore was because when i met Jim Cornette last year, he said that of any wrestling on OVW that deserved to be in the WWE, it was Dinsmore, and he felt that if Dinsmore finally did get that call, he would get a major push.
then, during our draft, a friend told me that Dinsmore was indeed taping promos for an "oddball" character in the WWE, so i went with him.
at this point, it wouldn't surprise me to see Dinsmore's character slowly toned down, and when they push Orton into the World Title scene, Dinsmore will find his way into the IC scene.
same thing with the Bashams, and Rob Conway as well. all of those guys are superb wrestlers in the vein of Benoit and Guerrero, and the WWE seems to be going more and more toward that type of product.
13
kev
ID: 3155515 Sat, May 08, 2004, 20:16
And Garrison Cade isn't getting a push?
And I would like to point out, Lita is involved in a storyline with Kane right now, and is always involved in the Women's Belt scene. How is that not a quality wrestler to have?
The key in this draft is STORYLINES. If you have guys involved in storylines, you are doing fine. I have Cade, Benoit, and Lita. Lita is involved in what seems to be an ongoing storyline, and Benoit is the best player in the game right now. Can't say I see myself finishing in the bottom half of this league.
14
wiggs
ID: 63301420 Sat, May 08, 2004, 22:07
Kev,
Not that I am or claim to know all about what is going on behind the scenes, but I dont really see Cade getting a push, unless it is in a tag situation.
The sad thing about our league, not that anything can be done about it, but a storyline doesnt really mean all that much. Say lita has 5 backstage segments, that is only worth 10 points. Therefore a match with say conway and grenier vs rosey and the hurricane that has little or no meaning for anything, each will outscore her.
I hope you didnt take offense to what I said, I didnt mean it to come out that way. I just thought we were talking trash, like you said earlier, so I figured I would talk alittle trash from the 3 spot.
BTW But you Cowboy fans like to stick together!
I would say the same for you and the bears fan (thats right, I said fan) but chances are she doesnt know about the guru board :)
15
young gunz
ID: 283561414 Sun, May 09, 2004, 15:30
I agree with Wiggs. I would much rather have a guy that wins or even loses matches then a person in a story line like Lita Trish or even regal.
16
Mike D
ID: 5343455 Sun, May 09, 2004, 17:07
I agree with Species.
17
Great One
ID: 141172214 Sun, May 09, 2004, 18:06
Kev - I think you have a solid team. I don't think mine is all that great. But I think I can catch you.
So - would you be interested in swapping first round picks in next years draft right now?
18
wiggs
ID: 63301420 Sun, May 09, 2004, 18:13
GO, I would be willing to make that trade.
19
Great One
ID: 141172214 Sun, May 09, 2004, 18:20
I bet you would. But you still have the best team Mr. Wiggs. :)
I am still tentatively doing this with Farn - he is trying to decide - but Farn should beat Kev this season, so it would smarter for me to do this with Kev.
20
j o s h
ID: 15431718 Sun, May 09, 2004, 23:19
I echo post 16
21
Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 1629107 Mon, May 10, 2004, 10:39
Definitely disagree with the idea that being in a storyline is the key. There are plenty of people in storylines that simply aren't producing a lot. I need look no further than my own team to see two wrestlers involved in two of the most prominant storylines of the last month, Trish and Bradshaw, and very little points-wise to show for it. Heck, Bradshaw's storyline has him involved in a title shot for weeks now. I don't see how you could ask for anything more as far as a story line is concerned, but he is currently ranked 33rd in scoring, and when I put him on the block, the only offer I got for him was pulled back less than 24 hours later. Undertaker is another example of a guy getting a push with currently little to show for it. Same with Dupree. Same with Dinsmore. Now, some of these will surely change. Taker and Bradshaw will get their PPV points and we know that Dinsmore will start wrestling soon, and Dupree is a highly regarded young commodoty. But the key in this league is working frequent matches. Guys like Benoit and Cena and Kane and the Dudleys and Eddie Guerrero and HBK and Mysterio and Orton have consistantly been near the top of the scoring because they work in matches so frequently.
22
Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Mon, May 10, 2004, 12:02
to echo the Bradshaw example.. my boy Rhyno has outscored Bradshaw. And he is involved in nothing really at this point except a couple random matches.
Cena is a force because they want him on tv as much as possible - and he usually doesn't lose. Thats why I took him number 1. I think he will be in the top couple scorers at year end.
Imagine how many points Goldberg would have scored when The Streak was in its heyday. Thats a great example. No one would have been close in points.
23
Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Mon, May 10, 2004, 12:08
and that reminds me, when the heck is Johnny Whatever gonna wrestle? He does have some skill I remember someone saying...
24
kev
ID: 3155515 Mon, May 10, 2004, 16:16
Is Randy Orton not involved in a storyline? What about Benoit?
Of course the main eventers are going to get their matches and storylines.
Here is a question- where is Bradshaw going to rank after his PPV match? Probably into the top 20, and you know he isnt going to go away....a rematch, a tag match, something will happen after the PPV. It might not last forever, but he will get his points. Storylines evolve into matches/pushes. How many guys just get pushed without a storyline? None. Zero. Why do you think Dinsmore isn't just starting wrestling guys and working his way up the ranks? They want to give him a gimmick, and a storyline to work with. Lita ranks 19th in scoring. She is now involved in a storyline involving Kane. Sure, she might not get the matches right now, but I can count on her for consistant points each week out.
That is why Bischoff was so good to me season 1. He gave me the ability to have a guy garunteed 10-15 points every week. And he rarely got in the ring.
The Rosie's, the Rhyno's, the low card guys will get on TV once every couple of weeks, maybe. The storyline guys get PPV matches, and a ton of TV time.
Having a storyline is key. It leads to PPV matches, which leads to where the big points are at.
That is why I have held on to Hurricane so long. The guy was excellent with Rock during season 1, and I keep on hoping that we will see a storyline in which the Superhero's save someone, which leads to a storyline push, which leads to tag belts....
Storylines are key. You can't predict which jobbers are going to get matches week in and week out. You can predict which storylines are going to lead to PPV matches...usually.
Hence why I was happy taking Benoit. I had a feeling they were going to leave the strap on him for a long while, and if everything I have read is correct, he is going to carry it most of this season.
25
kev
ID: 3155515 Mon, May 10, 2004, 16:19
And go down the list...the first person not heavily involved in a storyline is all the way down in 22nd- Victoria, who held the Championship, but had no storyline, hence, no matches.
26
Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Mon, May 10, 2004, 16:34
I agree. Kev, would you like to make the trade outlined in #17?
27
wiggs
ID: 63301420 Mon, May 10, 2004, 18:38
Wrestling is all somewhat story lines, but not long term. For example: what story line is orton involved in? How about HHH Tijiri? Dudleys? Batista Flair RVD?
Just to name a few.
I dont think you taking Benoit was a real talent move on your part. He was the high scorer in season 2, and a champion. Seems like a pretty obvious choice.
About the whole Lita thing, unless they plan on having her wrestle Kane then her points will be so minimal, I would rather have a midcarder that wrestles every other week rather then her 2-10 points a week, but that is just me.
28
kev
ID: 3155515 Mon, May 10, 2004, 21:47
Stacy freaking Keibler is gonna outpoint the rest of my team tonight...goodee
Cliff....you got it.
29
Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Mon, May 10, 2004, 22:00
GO, I'll accept your trade.
My #1 next year for your #1. Confirm here and post in the transaction thread to make it officially official.
30
Great One
ID: 141172214 Mon, May 10, 2004, 22:50
Confirmed.
31
Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118 Tue, May 11, 2004, 07:07
Keep in mind that it would be really against the spirit of the league if anyone tries to score less by benching their good workers.
32
Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Tue, May 11, 2004, 09:46
in the case of our trade wouldn't benching your players hurt only you? The less points you score the better your pick would be, thus when the picks are traded you have helped the other manager.
My goal is to win the league and let GO pick last. :)
33
Tree Donor
ID: 599393013 Tue, May 11, 2004, 09:48
Keep in mind that it would be really against the spirit of the league if anyone tries to score less by benching their good workers.
definitely unkosher. if it becomes apparent this is a strategy being used, perhaps we need to tweak our draft order formula to include not just standings in the position and points of keepers, but also overall points of jetisoned players.
34
Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 1629107 Tue, May 11, 2004, 09:52
Farn is right, each will be competing against the other for more points to force the other guy to take his lower draft pick. No chance of deliberate points shaving there.
but also overall points of jetisoned players
I don't see how penalizing poor trades would help. Do you mean counting overall points for benched players?
35
Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 1629107 Tue, May 11, 2004, 09:57
For example, in my case, I jettisoned Tyson Tomco this season. This may prove to cost me hundreds of points this year, but there is no reason why I should have those points counted against me. Some people will make frequent trades and waiver transactions, so some teams will have many more wrestlers pass through their roster than others will. I don't see why anyone should have their draft position penalized for that.
36
Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Tue, May 11, 2004, 10:08
I am not sure if I am missing your point but if you are saying his points that are being gained now by another manager shouldn't count against you then you are right. Only points accumulated while on your active roster count against you (at least that's how it was in the past years).
37
Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 1629107 Tue, May 11, 2004, 10:11
Right, I'm saying that I can't see any reason to count overall points of all jettisoned wrestlers against our draft positions.
38
Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Tue, May 11, 2004, 11:50
I guess I missed something... This actually will have the opposite effect because the more points we score the better, because we need to beat each other to make it a worthwhile trade. If you tank, you are handing THE OTHER GUY a nice pick. You aren't helping yourself any.
39
kev
ID: 3155515 Tue, May 11, 2004, 15:22
I do believe the trade was made with me, as I nabbed it before anyone else did, correct?
40
wiggs
ID: 63301420 Tue, May 11, 2004, 15:58
Kev,
2 things: 1) I am still waiting to hear the story lines for everyone in the top 20.
2) I dont see anywhere where you agreed to the trade.
41
Tree Donor
ID: 599393013 Tue, May 11, 2004, 16:26
sorry - jettisoned players was a confusing statement, and would be hell on scoring.
i was referring to your non-keepers at the end of the season. the four guys you don't keep.
but as MITH pointed out later, it would have no bearing on this particular deal. heck, i'm really confused anyway.
42
Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Tue, May 11, 2004, 16:42
kev- i think i see what you mean. Problem is you screwed up.
In #28 you wrote "Cliff... you got it". That appears to be in response to #26 by GO. Problem is that Goatlocker is Cliff, GO isn't. So you really agreed to a trade with Cliff/Goatlocker if I am reading it right. So I am not sure if your trade is ok with that mistake. Not to mention you never posted it in the transaction thread, thus making it appear as though no trade was ever made.
I guess this is up to the masses, or at the very least GO.
43
kev
ID: 3155515 Tue, May 11, 2004, 17:02
post 28....cliff, you got it...in words of cliff's post 26...pretty clear cut.
44
Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Tue, May 11, 2004, 17:03
I actually would rather do the deal with Kev BUT a done deal is a done deal and Farn and I have signed the contract so to speak.
Farn, its up to you if you want to "tear up the contract" for Kev since he kind of sort of accepted first... but I know you are the one who proposed the deal in the first place, so you are probably 100% sure you want it.
45
Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Tue, May 11, 2004, 17:04
and yes........... Cliff = Goatlocker.
46
kev
ID: 3155515 Tue, May 11, 2004, 17:09
whoops. My bad. I mistook GO for Cliff who is Goatlocker.
So yeah, if that makes my deal null and void, that is my own fault, so it's all good.
47
Species Leader
ID: 7724916 Tue, May 11, 2004, 17:13
From my view in the cheap seats....if Farn doesn't want to call it off, kev has no deal.
....and I agree with Mike D's post #16.
Breaking news: My team sucks BAD
48
Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Tue, May 11, 2004, 18:06
I definately want to keep GO's pick.
But I may have interest in trading it to you Kev for your pick, which is really what you wanted anyway. Give me a little bit to think about that. I assume you would be ok with it cause its the same trade, just with your pick going to me instead of GO.
49
GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Tue, May 11, 2004, 18:32
Duh, What have I got.
It really was GO not me.
Cliff
50
Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Tue, May 11, 2004, 19:15
kev,
I'll trade you GO's #1 pick for next year for your #1 pick. Confirm here and post in the transaction thread.
51
Species Leader
ID: 7724916 Wed, May 12, 2004, 12:20
You guys ought to be bidding on MY #1 pick next year! Geez my team sucks!
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Wed, May 12, 2004, 14:51
Species- I am pretty sure you aren't crazy enough to trade your pick. But if you are let me know.
You may finish last, but Mordechi might push you a bit higher in his battle with Taker. If they ever put Taker on tv you will get more points that way.
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Species Leader
ID: 7724916 Wed, May 12, 2004, 16:26
Farn - of course you're right.....just frustrated, but that's what I get for making a VERY poor choice of keepers along with a bad trade in Season 2. I guess I'll just take my lumps this season.
Couldn't help but crack up today after going to Rajah's page and read this headline:
Steiner’s WWE Status & Contract Info, Sable’s Breast Implants & Status
I'd be willing to bet that link gets more than an average number of hits. "Sable's Breast Implants" is just too eye-catching! lmao
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Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Wed, May 12, 2004, 16:44
Species - would you consider taking a chance on trading for Lesnar if you are pretty much resigned to a lackluster season?
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Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Wed, May 12, 2004, 16:47
I think I mentioned it before... can't hurt to mention it again if I did.
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Species Leader
ID: 7724916 Wed, May 12, 2004, 16:58
GO - as I see what happens with UT and Mordechai and whether or not Hardy gets anything more than a secondary storyline, yes I could very well be intersted in acquiring Lesnar. I would simply like to give it a little more time before doing so - it is only week 7 so we have 20-odd weeks to go. I don't want to give up THAT early.
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Wed, May 12, 2004, 18:28
My honest thought on Lesnar is that you will get nothing out of him this season. Football season starts in late August or first weekend of September. So he won't give up until then. And our season runs to Summerslam. So basically you have to hold him for the next season as one of your 4 keepers and pray he returns at some point.
The real question is who returns first: Lesnar, Austin, or Goldberg. My bet is on Austin. Goldberg has always been the kind of guy who would rather sit at home on his ass than work and Lesnar left abruptly and his exit wasn't well received. Austin's exit wasn't friendly either but he has JR on his side and really only left because he couldnt' agree to a new deal.
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ID: 7724916 Wed, May 12, 2004, 18:28
Found this interesting....per Wrestling Online newsletter:
> MCMAHON SELLS 6.1 MILLION WWE SHARES - Today WWE, Inc., announced that around 6.1 million shares of its Class A common stock owned by the Vincent K McMahon Irrevocable Trust are being offered for sale. The Trust was created in mid 1999 as an estate planning vehicle for the benefit of Vince McMahon and his family members.
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Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Wed, May 12, 2004, 18:47
Yeah I don't expect him back this season either... but for someone who is in a position to move one of their "fringe" keepers and take a chance on him showing up in the Fall then it makes sense and might be worth a gamble. Especially if you are already picking near the top of the draft anyway and will add two good scorers that way.
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Wed, May 12, 2004, 22:20
GO- what are you looking for in return for Lesnar? Look at my team and tell me what kind of scorer you are looking for. I have passive interest at this point.
I have some interesting ideas if you can tell me who you might want in return. Leave your email if you want to discuss in private.
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Thu, May 13, 2004, 09:49
Kev- check post #50 (incase you miss it)
As for Goldberg, I guess he won't be back:
Tonight at halftime of Game 4, LA Fox Sports anchor Larry Burnett interviewed Goldberg and Steve Austin. Small quote from Goldberg:
Burnett asked Goldberg if and when he was going to go back to wrestling for the WWE. Goldberg said, "I’m done – Vince McMahon can kiss my tuchhus. I’ll be back approximately 50 yrs after Steve Austin returns".
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Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Thu, May 13, 2004, 11:13
I already wrote this response but my computer shut down grr...
A trade for Brock at this point would have to be someone along the lines of a Basham, Hurricane, Hardy or Rob Conway in your case (who I personally dislike)... obviously not a main eventer because no one is going to part with that for the potential of Brock at this point, I am fully aware of that.
But if you have i.e. a Basham as your sixth guy - and someone on your bench is due back and you might have a "who to bench" dilemma... Brocks the answer. :)
I mainly want Henry to come back so I can move his fat a$$ too...