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0 Subject: Week 8 Judgment Day Points

Posted by: Farn
- Sustainer [451044109] Mon, May 17, 2004, 18:06

Name Tonight's Total          
             
Akio 0          
Big Show 0          
Bill Demott 0          
Billy Gunn 24 12 12      
Billy Kidman 0          
Booker T 32 5 12 15    
Bradshaw 62 5 10 12 15 20
Bubba Ray Dudley 24 12 12      
Charlie Haas 42 12 25 5    
Chavo Guerrero Jr. 42 5 12 15 10  
Chavo Guerrero Sr. 15 5 10      
D'von Dudley 24 12 12      
Danny Basham 0          
Dawn Marie 27 12 15      
Doug Basham 0          
Eddie Guerrero 72 12 30 10 20  
Funaki 0          
Hardcore Holly 0          
Jacqueline 29 5 12 12    
Jamie Noble 0          
John Cena 52 12 30 10    
Johnny Stamboli 0          
Josh Matthews 5 5        
Kenzo Suzuki 0          
Kurt Angle 10 10        
Luther Rains 10 10        
Mark Jindrak 0          
Matt Morgan 0          
Michael Cole 5 5        
Miss Jackie 0          
Mordechai 42 12 30      
Nunzio 0          
Orlando Jordan 0          
Paul Bearor 5 5        
Paul Heyman 0          
Paul London 0          
Renee Dupree 37 10 12 15    
Rey Mysterio 37 12 25      
Rhyno 0          
Rico 42 12 25 5    
Rikishi 0          
Rob Van Dam 37 12 25      
Sable 0          
Sakoda 0          
Scotty 2 Hotty 27 12 15      
Sean O'Haire 0          
Shaniqua 0          
Shannon Moore 0          
Spike Dudley 0          
Tazz 5 5        
Theodore Long 0          
Torrie Wilson 42 12 30      
Ultimo Dragon 0          
Undertaker 47 5 12 30    
Vince McMahon 0          
             
             
Tonight's Total Points 796          
1Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, May 17, 2004, 18:08
I scored it because I have a feeling if I don't it wont' get done for a while.

- gave Luther 10 for his pushing Angle down and generally being there after the first match. I didn't see it so those points may not be fair.

- 10 points to Cena for his prematch rap.
2Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Mon, May 17, 2004, 19:14
Thanks Farn. I'm not sure how you scored the Main Event. Here's how I have it:

Eddie:
12 PPV
20 PPV ME
10 DQ loss
10 Successful Title Defense =
52

Bradshaw:
5 Backstage vignette
12 PPV
20 PPV ME
18 DQ Win =
55

Now, I'm of the impression that we don't give in-ring vignette points for people that are continuing a fight postmatch, so I didn't include points there but I'm not sure what we normally do in those cases. If they get in-ring points, then its 10 more for each.
3Species
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      ID: 7724916
      Mon, May 17, 2004, 19:51
lol....guess I should've started Scotty
4kev
      ID: 3155515
      Mon, May 17, 2004, 20:02
Yeah, I started Gunn just based on crappy PPV points.

I vote all Smackdown points be cut in half due to suckiness
5Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, May 17, 2004, 20:26
damn, my bad. I read the results last night. But when I scored it and got to the last match I didn't even reread it. All I remembered was Eddie keeping his belt. So.....

Mith's scoring in post 2 is accurate. Wiggs, if you want to edit the chart go ahead.

Also, I second kev's idea in post 4. Maybe we could just eliminate Snoredown all together. :)
6Tree
      ID: 484391021
      Mon, May 17, 2004, 20:38
i really don't pay much attention to how the scoring works, but how do Torri, who just won a regular match, and Chavo, who won a title match, end up with the same amount of points?
7Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Mon, May 17, 2004, 20:48
Torrie gets 30 for the win plus 12 PPV points for a total of 42.

Chavo should gett 12 (PPV) + 5 (backstage) + 30 (Singles win) + 15 Cruiser title for a total of 62.

Jacqueline should get 12 (PPV) + 5 (backstage) + 15 (Singles loss) for a total of 32.
8Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, May 17, 2004, 20:52
sorry, that Chavo was a typo too I guess. He should have a 30 in that last spot.

Jacqueline I gave tag points too instead of a single. So make that 12 a 15.

This is why I score these. I get them wrong but at least it forces people to wake up and score them again. What I can't understand is why people won't score them themselves if they will do it after the fact?
9Tree
      ID: 484391021
      Mon, May 17, 2004, 21:00
lol. That's good point farn.

i know for me i generally don't score them. i just look at the numbers. and logically, comparing Torrie and Chavo to me didn't make sense...that's all.
10Great One@ Work
      ID: 40150137
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 13:41
Does Cena have title defense points included? I guess its the same omission as Chavo (and Rico and Hass?)
11Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 13:53
52 is right for Cena. 30 for the win + 12 PPV points + 10 for the title defense.
12Great One@ Work
      ID: 40150137
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 14:23
Thats fine with me, I just thought Farn said that 10 points was for the pre-match promo.
13Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 14:26
Ah, I see that in post 1. Do we usually give Cena in-ring points for his promo? Doing so means that his matches will always be worth 5 points more than every other wrestler, win or lose. If that's what we normally do, Cena gets 62.
14Great One@ Work
      ID: 40150137
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 14:32
I am obviously staying out of it since I am biased, but I think he does deserve something for doing those sweet raps! :) A minute straight of camera time and no extra points?

I know others will say - well I never got this when this guy did whatever - but obviously all situations are different and open to interpretation.

15Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 14:33
hmmm...it looks like I typed 10 for the prematch but didn't put it in the box as well.

I don't score Snoredown too often but when I do I give him points for the prematch rap and then note it. Nobody has ever said yes or no to it. But I always note it so I can't be blamed for putting it in. :)
16Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 14:45
No reason for any blame. It does seem just a little ...unfair (for lack of a better term) that every Cena win and loss will get more points than the majority of everyone else's wins and losses because of his ring-entrance routine, but I don't think there's anything that we should or can do to change that.
17Tree
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      ID: 599393013
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 16:34
whoa whoa whoa.

we're giving extra points to Cena for his rap before each match????

absolutely not. if we have been, it's a mistake, and we need to fix it now.

that is part of his ring entrance. there are no points awarded for ring entrances.
18Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 16:45
Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo!!

I don't know.

If someone takes the mike and talks it up before a match scheduled match that they are in, they get in-ring vignette points. If Rock takes the mike befopre a match to say that he has finally come back to Butcrack, Iowa, he gets those points, even thos its his routine, no? What about something like the Godfather prancing his ho-train around?
19Farn
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      ID: 451044109
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 16:50
I gotta agree. Giving Cena points only seems fair. He is always cutting some kind of promo against the guy he is going against. Its definately an in-ring promo, thus the points seem fair.

And like I said, I have always noted it so if you have been asleep before you can't blame me.
20Great One@ Work
      ID: 40150137
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 17:02
I actually believe I have NOT recieved points for Cena's in ring raps before (I guess except for Farn) and always thought I kind of should have. That was partly why I drafted him number 1. All the extra air time he gets.

This is how I see it and this is my arguement.

There is a difference in what he does with the promo's before each match and a standard ring entrance. It is not scripted (well maybe it is, but its irrelevant) it comes off as an unscripted and improvised rant - and is never twice the same. Not like he walks to the ring and says the same exact thing each time or is just singing along with the music. !The music stops! - he does a seperate skit - THEN they hit the bell.

Just opening up the debate.
21Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 17:14
you already have my vote Great One (which doesn't help me in getting a better pick from you).
22Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 18:22
Looks like Cena got in-ring points for weeks 1, 2, 5 (tho he didn't wrestle a match in week 5) and 6, but not weeks 3, 4 and 7. I don't know how I'd feel about a rule that says that pre-match mike points only count if they aren't part of your regular routine. I think that would cause more trouble than its worth.
23Great One
      ID: 141172214
      Tue, May 18, 2004, 22:46
then I will just say I agree with your simple assesment from the other thread. (I like to make things more complicated I guess)

"Right I agree if they speak on the mic I give points too."

24Great One
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      Tue, May 18, 2004, 22:47
I didn't think he got promo points - aren't those title defense points?
25Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Wed, May 19, 2004, 14:06
OK here's my new question - assuming the consensus agrees that Cena gets in-ring points for dropping his science, do we owe Great One 15 points for weeks 3, 4 and 7?
26Farn
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      ID: 451044109
      Wed, May 19, 2004, 14:08
any weeks scored by me would already include those points. If there are no points when I scored then he didn't cut his promo.

I am pretty sure I scored a week where he didn't cut the promo.
27Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Wed, May 19, 2004, 14:12
week 7's recap on pwinsider specifically says no prematch rap for Cena.
28Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Wed, May 19, 2004, 14:21
Weeks 3 & 4 weren't scored by Farn. So assuming that he did take the mike in those weeks, do we give GO the 10 points?
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