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Subject: Vote: BLOOD Points
Posted by: Mike D
- Sustainer [41831612] Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 15:33
As suggested by our new Wrestling Buddy Bond, James Bond, in the aptly named "Bond is Raw" thread, a vote for Blood Points.
1. Should we award Blood Points? Yes/No
2. If Yes, in what amount? 5/7/10/12, other
3. Should the amount of bleeding affect the points given, where voting could be used if necessary to quantify? Yes/No
4. Should whether someone blades or is busted open the hard way be considered, and if so, should more points be given for being busted open the hard way, where voting could be used if necessary? Yes/No
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| 34 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:17
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Falls count anywhere should be added, I suppose.
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| 35 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:17
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I was thinking the I Quit where Rock made Foley say it into the microphone and thats how they finished the match.
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| 36 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:28
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OK your right, after a little research, an I quit match is what you describe. So any wager based on the outcome of the match should not be considered a stipulation for our purposes?
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| 37 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:36
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I was pretty strongly against this at first, now I'm teetering. One thing I think the rule should be absolutely clear about is that if a match stipulation that we have not listed is brought in it should automatically get either no points or the minimum (5 points) for a stipulation, no matter how dynamic it might seem, Nuclear Holocost match or a Biblical Armegeddon match or whatever it might be.
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| 38 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:36
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Yeah I think that will be easiest to determine.
You see me climb the ladder and win. Thats definitive. Or climbing out of the cage. Or a match that is organized specially (as was added below)...
Getting a date with Stacy because you won (or even Til Death Do Us Part which was pretty cool) aren't really any different than normal matches IMO.
forgot a VERY important Stipulation match which is certainly deserving. The 60 minute Ironman.
15
Hell in a Cell
TLC
Elimination Chamber
Casket Match (Buried Alive)
Ironman
10
Cage Match
Ladder Match
Table Match?
5
No DQ
Bra and Panties
I Quit
Falls Count Anywhere
2/3 Falls
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| 39 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:39
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did we decide on 2/3 falls type matches?
or a traditional Survivor Series match? I am not how to categorize those.
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| 40 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:39
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What if they do something like 4/7 falls? Maybe you should just have one stip for a multiple falls match.
Also don't forget a lumberjack match (I suggest 10 points for that).
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| 41 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:42
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very good.. "Multiple Falls Match" couldn't think how to word that... Lumberjack another good one.
If we could get someone to look in one of the video games that would be a good list.
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| 42 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:45
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There's another kind of match who's name I can't remember. You have to beat one guy, hen the next guy, then the next guy and the next and so on. We used to call it King of the Mountain in high school wrestling practice. I know that Chave won one of these kinds of matches, probably late in Season 2 or early Season 3.
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| 43 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:45
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getting more and more organized...
And yes, any new stipulation would recieve 0 or 5 assuming it fits into that group well. And if its really unique - then I think we would need to see a match completed before voting on how much its worth in the future.
15
Hell in a Cell
TLC
Elimination Chamber
Casket Match (Buried Alive)
Ironman
10
Cage Match
Ladder Match
Tables Match
Lumberjack
5
No DQ
Bra and Panties
I Quit
Falls Count Anywhere
Multiple Falls
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| 44 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:48
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also remember Contract on a Pole match.. but I think that would easily just slide into the 5 point bracket.
Gauntlet?
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| 45 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:53
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Yes that was it, a gauntlet match. 10 points?
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| 46 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:55
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I would say 10 for the guy who keeps fighting yeah... not the other guys that rotate in.
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| 47 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:56
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Do we know exactly what the rules are? What about the rules for a traditional Survivor Series match?
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| 48 | Tree
ID: 76471215
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:57
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why is a casket match worth more than a cage match? or a ladder match? or an i quit match, for that matter?
it's one of the lamest matches ever.
even more lame than a texas bullrope match, which, if done right, kicks ass.
even more lame than a coal miner's glove match,which, if done right, is still stupid.
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| 49 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 15:58
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Coal Miner's glove match. LOL. But that's one of my issues with this idea. There might be 100 different kinds of stipulations.
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| 50 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 16:00
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alright alright.. we bump casket back down to 10 where it belongs... :)
15
Hell in a Cell
TLC
Elimination Chamber
Ironman
10
Cage Match
Ladder Match
Tables Match
Lumberjack
Casket Match (Buried Alive)
Gauntlet (for primary participant only)
5
No DQ
Bra and Panties
I Quit
Falls Count Anywhere
Multiple Falls
Anything on a Pole Match
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| 51 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 16:07
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And Jello? What about the Jello?
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| 52 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 16:12
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I think the women's jello/pudding matches are usually counted as in-ring vignettes, Mike D. Sorry. But the "anything on a Pole" match conjured an image from a bachelor party I was part of over the weekend.
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| 53 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 16:12
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I would say if they ring a bell - and someone has their hand raised at the end. Then by all means... 5 point Jello or Mud bonus.
We just need to come up with generic titles for those types of matches or weapons matcheslike Tree was mentioning and have them be 5 points until we decide it deserves consideration to a higher tier on our current 3 Tier system.
will these broad categorizations do?
Weapons Match
Foreign Substance Match (Mud/Jello)
and yes Tree - Stairway to Hell would be a 15 pointer - but we will NEVER see it in WWE so its irrelevant.
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| 54 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 16:16
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but I guess what MITH says is true too - I think the mud/jello match is up to the discretion of the scorer. IF its in the ring and is like a normal match - just with mud all over the place then sure. If in a pool on the entrance way and really not official... guess we keep that as a vignette...
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| 55 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 16:19
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What about a 3 or 4 way single elimination match?
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| 56 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 16:23
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I don't know about that. or a TripleThreat/3-Way Dance. I don't think those deserve it really.
Not sure about elimination type matches. I would lean towards no but I can't explain why.
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| 57 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 16:24
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Re post 53, we could call it a "pool of fluid match". 'Foreign substance' leaves too much potential for a stip relating to something like Tajiri-mist.
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| 58 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 16:29
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15
Hell in a Cell
TLC
Elimination Chamber
Ironman
10
Cage Match
Ladder Match
Tables Match
Lumberjack
Casket Match (Buried Alive)
Gauntlet (for primary participant only)
5
No DQ
Bra and Panties
I Quit
Falls Count Anywhere
Multiple Falls
Anything on a Pole Match
Pools of Fluid Match
Weapons Match
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| 59 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 17:02
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I've seen them be out of the ring in a corner of the arena, so as to not get the ring all messed up. But they ring the bell and have a match.
Remember the Cat flashing everyone??
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| 60 | Tree
ID: 76471215
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 17:12
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what about a scaffold match? i think that deserves a 50 point bonus, and a 100 point bonus for the guy who takes the bump off the scaffolding.
oh, and man, don't forget the Prince of Darkness match. that deserves like a 7 1/2...it's even cooler than the coal miner's glove match...
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| 61 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 20:27
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Barb wire? Flaming table? Street Fight?
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| 62 | Great One
ID: 55827719
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 20:30
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please let me know the last time any of those occured in WWE in the last few years... added Street Fight.
15
Hell in a Cell
TLC
Elimination Chamber
Ironman
10
Cage Match
Ladder Match
Tables Match
Lumberjack
Casket Match (Buried Alive)
Gauntlet (for primary participant only)
5
No DQ
Bra and Panties
I Quit
Falls Count Anywhere
Multiple Falls
Anything on a Pole Match
Pools of Fluid Match
Weapons Match
Street Fight
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| 63 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 20:34
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Actually Street Fights are a couple a year. The others? E-C-Dub!
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| 64 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 21:23
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OK, pulled out my 'Smackdown Shut Your Mouth' game instructions.
Hardcore match
Tornado Tag match
Elimination Tag match
Last Man Standing
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| 65 | Great One
ID: 55827719
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 23:04
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not sure if those tag matches count. at least not he tornado one - cause thats just a tag match where all four are in the ring. along the lines of the three way dance not being included.
The elmination is a question as mentioned before. I guess 5 points bonus for that format is worthwhile.
Especially for an official Survivor Series match.
Important to note Battle Royal/Royal Rumble not included because they are their own monster which has been dealt with seperately and are now scored accordingly.
15
Hell in a Cell
TLC
Elimination Chamber
Ironman
10
Cage Match
Ladder Match
Tables Match
Lumberjack
Casket Match (Buried Alive)
Gauntlet (for primary participant only)
5
No DQ
Bra and Panties
I Quit
Falls Count Anywhere
Multiple Falls
Anything on a Pole Match
Pools of Fluid Match
Weapons Match
Street Fight
Hardcore Match
Last Man Standing
Elmination (i.e. Survivor Series)
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| 66 | Tree
ID: 87562618
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 23:07
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wait about a hair match? did we mention that?
oh yea. as long as we got the coal miner's glove match and the prince of darkness match, we can't forget the kennel from hell match.
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| 67 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 23:32
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I thought a tornado tag match meant more than two teams.
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| 68 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 23:57
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Tornado means they are all in the ring at one time------no tags. I've played a lot of those. ;)
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| 69 | blue hen
ID: 353412123
Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 00:33
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What about a will you marry me match?
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| 70 | Farn
ID: 36651269
Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 00:33
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I've been out of town all weekend so excuse my tardiness.
I'm just not a huge fan of this whole proposal. It just seems like a lot more scoring to do. And we have enough problems getting scoring done now. I have basically handled 95% of the Raw scoring. Smackdown has been hit and miss amongst a few people.
To add more scoring things to the mix will make it even harder. And we are also opening things up to subjective rulings on weird matches they make up on a random Raw. Just seems like a lot more headaches and debates.
But I can go with the flow if we can really make this ironclad without subjective material (or as best we can outside of bizzarre things).
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| 71 | Athletics Guy
ID: 45811717
Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 00:54
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Musical chairs!
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| 72 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 08:30
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This hasn't been put to a vote yet.
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| 73 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 08:43
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The Taker/JBL match at No Mercy will be a Last Ride match. No submission, pinfall or count out. The loser must be thrown in the back of a hearse.
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| 74 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 08:50
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I actually don't think there will be that much debate. The majority of these will be 5 point bonus and are pretty obvious where a match type will slide in.
Hell, WWE doesn't do anything revolutionary anyway... we have seen it all before or some variation of it.
I wouldn't mind doing the "stipulation scoring" say with another person like Mike D or Wiggs who I can easily contact if its open to discussion.
I am gonna try and do some Smackdown's this season anyway.
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| 75 | Great One@Home
ID: 18743207
Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 08:58
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#73 has a great similarity to a Casket Match. So I would score it as such.
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| 76 | Tree
ID: 76471215
Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 15:00
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what about a kiss or burn the flag match? or a broiler room brawl? or a car trunk match?
or a flaming dumpster match?
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| 77 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 55814822
Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 23:31
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Just back from an overextended Labor Day weekend vacation and I come back to this? LOL
In honor of the title of this thread, shouldn't there be a point stipulation for a "First Blood" match?
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| 78 | Great One
ID: 3481898
Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 09:33
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first blood match... very good.
15
Hell in a Cell
TLC
Elimination Chamber
Ironman
10
Cage Match
Ladder Match
Tables Match
Lumberjack
Casket Match (Buried Alive)
Gauntlet (for primary participant only)
5
No DQ
Bra and Panties
I Quit
Falls Count Anywhere
Multiple Falls
Anything on a Pole Match
Pools of Fluid Match
Weapons Match
Street Fight
Hardcore Match
Last Man Standing
Elmination (i.e. Survivor Series)
First Blood
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| 79 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 09:36
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Whats a broiler room brawl? Is it actually boiler room brawl? Either way, what is it?
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| 80 | Great One
ID: 3481898
Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 09:38
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its essentially a Street Fight and would be scored the same...
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| 81 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 09:59
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Mankind was famous for them.
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| 82 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 1399817
Sun, Oct 10, 2004, 00:59
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With Kane blading on Monday's RAW, this was another opportunity to award blood points. In context, blood points (3, 5 or even 10 points) should be applied, IMHO, if the INTENT was to have a wrestler bleed. Clearly this one of those instances.
Obviously with such a physical sport as wrestling there will be numerous times where accidental bleeding will occur. Points should NOT be awarded under that scenerio. However, it's my contention that intentional bleeding/blading is, for the most part, quite obvious to the common viewer in regards to both the performer and the story that is being told within the context of the match.
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| 83 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Sun, Oct 10, 2004, 09:52
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I don't think we want to differentiate. If we are gonna do blood then it shouldn't matter. If somebody bleeds at their job on accident they should still be rewarded. :)
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