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Subject: Poker Part III
Posted by: ChicagoTRS
- [421042110] Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 15:51
New thread....discuss poker strategy, bad beats, big wins, big losses, etc...
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| 159 | Sludge
ID: 581043311
Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 16:00
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I would not use ALWAYS ever in poker.
Re-read my wording. It may be different if everyone turned over their cards to help you in your decision making process. But that's not going to be happening.
Anyone have their hands on some poker simulation software to come up with an example where AA isn't even the favorite? I would bet that it would start with giving AX to a couple of the other players... or AA to another.
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| 160 | Sludge
ID: 581043311
Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 16:06
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While other pros will argue that one needs to take advantage of every edge they can get however slight it might be.
Getting all of your money in when you are 3:2 or better (or even, say, 5:4) goes a long way to maximizing your long run expected profits in a regular game. In a tournaments, however, it also goes a long way to maximizing your risk of ruin. Unfortunately, you are forced to do it. If you don't, you'll get run over, especially as a pro with all of the players that we've seen at the WSoP in the past few years who constantly make plays at the pros with their "What have I got to lose?" attitude.
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| 161 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 421042110
Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 16:23
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Folding AA preflop...the much debated topic. Have seen this debate 100x on a newsgroup I frequent. Most have come to the conclusion that the only time you would ever fold AA is in a tournament scenario where x number of players win the same prize...example top 20 finishers win entry into a bigger tournament (satelite)...lets say you are on the bubble...21 players left...20 win the prize...you have a large enough stack to survive easily to get in the top 20...a larger stack goes all-in in front of you and you are holding AA...you fold as you have nothing to gain by picking up more chips...if it is a smaller stack you call then you call to try and eliminate the player.
AA facing 9 opponents all-in I am sure there is probably a scenario where the AA is not the favored hand preflop. Depending on the combination of other cards. But me...if I got AA I would make that call and hope I end up with 10x my chips.
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| 162 | weykool
ID: 34932210
Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 22:21
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You can find a hand similator at:
http://www.pokertips.org/
Ran several different simulations and couldnt make the AA the underdog.
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ah 108402 21.60 390310 77.76 3230 0.64 0.218
As Ks 42185 8.40 451963 90.04 7794 1.55 0.090
Ad Kd 42185 8.40 451963 90.04 7794 1.55 0.090
Qc Qh 89234 17.78 411652 82.01 1056 0.21 0.178
Jc Jh 77600 15.46 423286 84.33 1056 0.21 0.155
Tc Th 70660 14.08 430226 85.71 1056 0.21 0.141
5c 5h 63882 12.73 437004 87.06 1056 0.21 0.128
If tables work the same way in WSOP as online tournies, and you folded and were the next table to be moved then you would join another table (probably a different table than the chip leader)
If you were not the next table to be "broken then they would randomly move players from different tables to balance things out. I'm pretty sure the tables are prenumbered just like an online tournament and they have a way to randomly pick who moves.
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| 163 | Sludge
ID: 14411118
Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 23:29
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Holdem Hi: 201376 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ah 9473 4.70 191700 95.20 203 0.10 0.047
Ac Kd 332 0.16 198919 98.78 2125 1.06 0.007
Ad Kc 1802 0.89 197449 98.05 2125 1.06 0.014
9s 8s 34190 16.98 167183 83.02 3 0.00 0.170
7d 6d 36132 17.94 165241 82.06 3 0.00 0.179
Qc Qh 35567 17.66 165806 82.34 3 0.00 0.177
Jc Jh 28976 14.39 172397 85.61 3 0.00 0.144
Tc Th 23662 11.75 177711 88.25 3 0.00 0.118
2c 2h 12621 6.27 188752 93.73 3 0.00 0.063
3c 3h 16496 8.19 184877 91.81 3 0.00 0.082
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| 164 | Chuck
ID: 3110521223
Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 23:48
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Leading a tournament in chips. When these hands come up back to back. I can see how maybe I should have gotten away from hand #1, but see no way I could avoid hand #2. Anyone want to chime in? I was playing tight, though the tables had just merged (short-handed $12 buy-in). Would you have busted out in 2 hands here as well?
PokerStars Game #3328217262: Tournament #16482548, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/12/13 - 23:37:45 (ET)
Table '16482548 2' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Metrofan_CP (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: vladsbad (2505 in chips)
Seat 3: heavydbaby (2525 in chips)
Seat 4: Chuck42181 (5775 in chips)
Seat 6: nicequicker (5695 in chips)
Metrofan_CP: posts small blind 25
vladsbad: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chuck42181 [Qc Qh]
heavydbaby: raises 50 to 100
Chuck42181: raises 200 to 300
nicequicker: folds
Metrofan_CP: folds
vladsbad: folds
heavydbaby: raises 800 to 1100
Chuck42181: raises 4675 to 5775 and is all-in
heavydbaby: calls 1425 and is all-in
Chuck42181 said, "nh"
*** FLOP *** [Td Kc 8d]
*** TURN *** [Td Kc 8d] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [Td Kc 8d 4h] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
heavydbaby: shows [As Ah] (a pair of Aces)
Chuck42181: shows [Qc Qh] (a pair of Queens)
heavydbaby collected 5125 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5125 | Rake 0
Board [Td Kc 8d 4h 9d]
Seat 1: Metrofan_CP (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: vladsbad (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: heavydbaby showed [As Ah] and won (5125) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Chuck42181 showed [Qc Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: nicequicker (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
PokerStars Game #3328223926: Tournament #16482548, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/12/13 - 23:38:24 (ET)
Table '16482548 2' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Metrofan_CP (1475 in chips)
Seat 2: vladsbad (2455 in chips)
Seat 3: heavydbaby (5125 in chips)
Seat 4: Chuck42181 (3250 in chips)
Seat 6: nicequicker (5695 in chips)
vladsbad: posts small blind 25
heavydbaby: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chuck42181 [Kd Ks]
Chuck42181: raises 200 to 250
nicequicker: raises 200 to 450
Metrofan_CP: folds
vladsbad: folds
heavydbaby: folds
Chuck42181: raises 2800 to 3250 and is all-in
nicequicker: calls 2800
*** FLOP *** [5c Qc 7s]
Chuck42181 said, "unbelievable"
*** TURN *** [5c Qc 7s] [5s]
Chuck42181 said, "gg"
*** RIVER *** [5c Qc 7s 5s] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chuck42181: shows [Kd Ks] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
nicequicker: shows [Ac Ah] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
vladsbad said, "wow, unreal"
nicequicker collected 6575 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6575 | Rake 0
Board [5c Qc 7s 5s 8h]
Seat 1: Metrofan_CP (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: vladsbad (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: heavydbaby (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Chuck42181 showed [Kd Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 6: nicequicker showed [Ac Ah] and won (6575) with two pair, Aces and Fives
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| 165 | Chuck
ID: 3110521223
Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 23:51
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It should be noted that hand #2 was the key hand anyway. Even if had laid down the Queens the hand prior, if I end up all in w/ the Kings, I would have been toast, tangling with the chip leader.
In the first hand, I think I should have called the re-re-raise. With a King on the flop, I would have had more reason to fold the Queens.
I still can't see a way to get out of the Kings, especially since a large bet would look like I was tilting, and might get a weaker call than normal from the chip leader. I had not played w/ the chip leader in this tourney, and did not know his playing style.
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| 166 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 421042110
Wed, Dec 14, 2005, 08:59
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You might be able to get away from the queens on the first hand...after a rereraise I might just call and there is a chance to get away from the hand when the K flops.
The second hand you are stuck...especially after just getting beat by AA and the rest of the table thinking you may be tilting...got to get your money in with KK in that spot.
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| 167 | beastiemiked
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ID: 03531815
Wed, Dec 14, 2005, 09:26
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Chuck, first hand is a tough one. Unless heavy was being extremely tight I'd probably end up doing the same thing. However, it should be noted that a min raise or limp UTG is sometimes a sign of strength and the reraise after that should really be setting alarms off. Still, it would take a decent read on my opponent to make the laydown. After his reraise I think it's fold or push time since if you call it'll only be 1400 chips to win 3600 assuming he pushes on the flop.
2nd hand is go broke everytime. There are only a few spots you should fold KK preflop live and even less occassions online.
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| 168 | biliruben
ID: 531202411
Wed, Dec 14, 2005, 12:02
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Tough break, Chuck. Nothing you could do.
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| 169 | Species
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ID: 07724916
Wed, Dec 14, 2005, 12:35
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Agree acrossed the board Chuck. Maybe call the re-raise with Queens and bail out after the flop.....but the KK right after was a great opportunity to get a sucker call. I doubt any of us wouldn't have had all of our chips in with KK right after losing to AA the previous hand.
Ouch.
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| 170 | wiggs
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ID: 04991311
Wed, Dec 14, 2005, 16:04
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Any fulltilt players out there, I am wondering how they release the bonus? I have been playing pretty steady on .5/1.00 tables for over a week and I have only recieved 1 15 dollar bonus. Any help would be appriciated.
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| 171 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 421042110
Wed, Dec 14, 2005, 16:31
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wiggs...I have heard many complain about the fulltilt bonus being difficult to clear but have no experience myself.
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| 172 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Wed, Dec 14, 2005, 16:52
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FTP
The way it works is that you receive $.06 of your bonus for every dollar that is raked from the pot. Thus, people who play in higher stakes games (such as $5-$10 no-limit) end up working off the bonus very quickly, but people who play lower stakes (where the rake is generally not even a dollar) work it off VERY slowly. Most sites award you around $.10 per raked hand, so this deal is not so good for lower stakes players but it is great for higher stakes players.
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| 173 | FRICK
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ID: 3410101718
Thu, Dec 15, 2005, 20:30
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PokerStars Game #3343969978: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/12/15 - 20:22:38 (ET)
Table 'Gehrels' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: C.B.M ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 3: dersson ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: tabreez ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: dadkessler1 ($18.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Mkobutu ($26.15 in chips)
Seat 7: adfrick99 ($6.15 in chips)
Seat 8: UncleSteve's ($8.40 in chips)
Seat 9: No3Rls ($8.25 in chips)
Mkobutu: posts small blind $0.10
adfrick99: posts big blind $0.25
tabreez: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adfrick99 [2s Qs]
J-Rock-PSK joins the table at seat #2
UncleSteve's: calls $0.25
No3Rls: folds
C.B.M: folds
dersson: folds
tabreez: checks
dadkessler1: calls $0.25
Mkobutu: folds
adfrick99: checks
*** FLOP *** [3s Qh Qc]
adfrick99: checks
UncleSteve's: bets $0.50
tabreez: calls $0.50
dadkessler1: folds
adfrick99: raises $1.50 to $2
UncleSteve's: calls $1.50
tabreez: folds
*** TURN *** [3s Qh Qc] [4s]
adfrick99: bets $1
UncleSteve's: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [3s Qh Qc 4s] [As]
adfrick99: bets $2.50
UncleSteve's: raises $2.50 to $5
adfrick99: calls $0.40 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
UncleSteve's: shows [Ac Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Queens)
adfrick99: mucks hand
UncleSteve's collected $12.75 from pot
I guess I should have bet harder on the Turn, but would you have made UncleSteve's call. I never put him on a high pocket pair after limping in and never making a bet.
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| 174 | kev
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ID: 043111845
Thu, Dec 15, 2005, 20:49
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UTG before the flop, I could see at a low limit table not raising with the Aces. Myself, and I'm not as good as some on here, but I would also just call with that, and hope to get more callers.
But, after the QQ comes out on the flop, and I get check raised, I would have a pretty good feel I was beat by the trips. He obviously did, and is loose, or didn't think you had it.
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| 175 | R9
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ID: 02624472
Fri, Dec 16, 2005, 17:18
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He plays his aces terribly, and is behind on the flop because he didn't get your Q2 gone pre-flop. No matter what the stakes, with AA you want to get heads up with one opponent, which is why you raise.
I definitely think you have to raise the flop here to see where you're at, as your kicker stinks. His call (especially if it was a quick call) would've caught my attention, but adding the flush draw on the turn to your trips probably would've had me betting bigger on the turn then you did. Betting 1$ into a 5.25$ pot isn't going to scare anyone. I'm betting at least 3$ there, maybe even the pot. That, or I'm checking and slowing down entirely. The river card was a disaster for you, making your flush. No way you get away from that, and that just sucks.
Given how your opponent played the hand, its dubious to think that a larger turn bet would've had him folding. He obviously liked his aces on the flop, and the turn card wasn't scary and wouldn't change much. That's looking at the hand with hindsight though; I still think the right play there is to raise by at least 1/2 the pot.
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| 176 | FRICK
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ID: 3410101718
Fri, Dec 16, 2005, 21:20
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I completely agree that the raise at the turn should have been much larger.
There were several instances at this table of people getting dealt AA and never doing anything other than checking or calling.
If I get get dealt AA or KK I am making a 2-5x BB bet before the flop. I would rather just take the blinds than limp in and give people cheap draws.
It is frustrating enough to lose with AA heads up.
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| 177 | FRICK
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Dec 16, 2005, 22:35
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I'm sorry that I keep posting these, but I just wanted to get some opinions on how others would have played this hand. I especially liked the "sorry" after he won.
PokerStars Game #3353585349: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/12/16 - 22:31:49 (ET)
Table 'Tabit IV' Seat #2 is the button
Playboy9: posts small blind $0.10
poolboy3821: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adfrick99 [Ks As]
KiNgPiMp33: folds
roachpole: calls $0.25
Nelz3: folds
Mister206: folds
amirof: folds
adfrick99: raises $0.25 to $0.50
Playboy9: folds
poolboy3821: folds
roachpole: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [4d Tc Kh]
roachpole: checks
adfrick99: bets $1
roachpole: calls $1
*** TURN *** [4d Tc Kh] [7s]
roachpole: checks
adfrick99: bets $2.50
roachpole: raises $2.50 to $5
adfrick99: calls $1.45 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4d Tc Kh 7s] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
roachpole: shows [Qs Ac] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
adfrick99: mucks hand
roachpole collected $10.70 from pot
roachpole said, "sorry"
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| 178 | Chuck
ID: 3110521223
Fri, Dec 16, 2005, 23:16
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Pre-flop: Raise 3-4 times the BB. I would raise to $1 or $1.50 there. The power of AK is pre-flop. You need to bet it hard. In reality, I DO NOT want callers when I have AK. If everyone folds pre-flop, I am quite happy. I don't mind a call, but I would prefer to take the pot down before the flop w/ AK
On the flop, hitting a King: Raise at least half the pot. (If you had a caller pre-flop, it would be at least a $1 raise).
On the turn, if you put him on a drawing hand, go all in.
In poker, you are going to get outdrawn. The point is to make people pay for drawing on you as much as possible. You will lose some big pots, but if you are getting your money in with the best hand, it will pay off most of the time.
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| 179 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 51828221
Sat, Dec 17, 2005, 01:13
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#173...you had such a small stack and with those cards I don't think it mattered much how you played it...all the money was going in. Generally when I have a small stack or vs a small stack I am just going to push in on the flop or turn if I think my hand is probably good or good enough that I know I am not folding. No reason to get very creative. The AA did deserve to lose the hand letting everyone in cheap.
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| 180 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 51828221
Sat, Dec 17, 2005, 01:33
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#177 Another spot where you are basically stuck...he got lucky. You both had good cards and again your stack was so small that you could not protect your hand. AK should have raised more preflop.
In NL you are going to lose big hands sometimes...goal is just to win them more often. A key to being a consistent winner is to play/bet aggressive enough, make people pay for the opportunity to get lucky. Sometimes they will get lucky but as long as you make them pay for more than the odds dictate you will win those battles in the longrun.
I would also think about playing a limit where you feel comfortable playing with the max buy-in. It is a disadvantage playing a small stack if you want to try to play more creative poker. With a small stack it is relatively simple, you basically choose two cards, try to isolate an opponent, and then get all your money in no matter what flops.
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| 181 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sat, Dec 17, 2005, 19:50
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Anyone ever played at Pacific Poker before? Unreal how LOOSE these tables are. Maybe I'm just too used to Pokerstars and Partypoker (which I thought was loose) but the players at this site are AWFUL. Its the pokerroom for an online casino, so maybe these guys are just used to gambling, but flop percentages as high as 70% on the 200$ buyin tables. Wow.
I bought in for 50$ after I saw a review somewhere, and in two nights I'm up to 250$ from just a few hours of 25$ and 50$ tables. Last three times I had KK or AA I had at least person going all-in preflop ahead of me!
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| 182 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sat, Dec 17, 2005, 19:52
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at least "1" person...
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| 183 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 10:57
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I'm down for a tourney on stars. I don't have any cash over there but if someone would transfer me cash there I'd do the same for them on Party.
I've switched back over to SNG's on Party. The cash games there are lucrative but I can't seem to justify playing in them unless I'm getting rakeback(I'll be moving some cash over to Full Tilt for that). Also, it's much easier to 4-5 table SNG's than cash games as most of the action in the early levels of them are robotic.
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| 184 | wiggs
ID: 271125209
Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 12:44
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BMD, what do you mean rakeback? I am playing on FTP right now and am curious as to what that means?
BTW, after 2 weeks of playing about 2 hours a night at .5/1.00 ring games I have recieved my 2nd 15 dollar bonus.
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| 185 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 13:29
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Just a quick update on my Pacific Poker experience, I'm up to 500$ since signing up. If you're a tight/agressive player you'd love this place. Both NL and Fixed are cakewalks. Fixed tables as high as 2/4$ are regularly at 50-70% view flop, and the 100$ NL buyin can easily reach 60%. I've also already earned my 30$ bonus (for a 50$ deposit).
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| 186 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 421042110
Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 15:00
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wiggs...rakeback is basically you will receive a percentage of your personal rake back.
Example: you are at a 10 person table and the casino rakes $1 from the pot...you are personally responsible for .10 of that rake (whether you are in the hand or not as long as you take the deal)...well if you have a rakeback deal you would receive typically 30-40% of that money back...so for that one hand you would recieve 3-4 cents back. Some pay weekly, some pay monthly...you would be surprised how quickly that penny or two from each pot add up. If you play enough hands it could be a few hundred $ a month...it is not enough money to make a losing player a winner but every little bit helps.
The negatives with rakeback deal is generally you cannot already have an account on that site. Only is offerred for new accounts. Some of the rakeback affiliates are a little shady and some don't pay.
Personally I do not have a rakeback because I do not want to switch sites...I probably should because I play enough to probably earn a hundred or two dollars a month.
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| 187 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 15:07
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Rakeback is a program that poker sites give a percentage of a players rake back to the website they signed up through. In turn, those websites give a part of that back to you. The key is finding a trusted affliate to sign up through in order to get a cut of your rake. 2+2 has a whole forum dedicated to the topic and it's fairly easy to find an affliate for FTP there. The major sites, Stars, UB, and Party(they have one but it's extremely hush hush) do not offer this but some of the up and coming sites do.
You'll typically see rakeback anywhere from 20-30%(27% is the highest I've seen for Full tilt).
The formula for this is: (rake taken from pot)/(# of players playing at table) X (rakeback %)
So if you are playing at a full ring game that has a dollar raked from the pot. You'll receive $1.00/10 players X .27 = 2.7 cents. Not much for one hand but if you play a lot this can really add up.
Only problem is once you have a real money account at a website it's nearly impossible to start receiving rakeback if you do not have it already.
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| 188 | biliruben
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ID: 589301110
Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 15:24
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This is analogous to the Monte Carlo or Jackpot boards in bricks and mortar casinos. It's essentially a rakeback that they gamble for you. The more you play, the more likely it is you hit 4K and win $100 bucks (like I did last week) or more exciting, $9500 for a Royal on Friday night (sadly, not me).
One 3/6 4-table poker room I frequent gives back nearly a million dollars a year from their rake. That's on top of all comps and daily prizes.
That gives me some indication of how lucrative this gig is!
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| 189 | biliruben
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ID: 589301110
Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 15:42
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Well there you go.
Goldies banked almost 2 million net last year. They must take their Monte Carlo giveback out prior to calculating gross reciepts.
I wonder what the story is for the dealers. They probably make close to $30-50/hour just in tips, while actively dealing. I wonder if they make any base salary at all?
131 Card rooms in Washington, excluding the Indian reservations which are the big ones. I had no idea.
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| 190 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 15:51
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Yikes. That's just for that quarter. ~ 8 Mill annually. That seemed a bit too generous to be giving back a third. I tenth of the gross seems about right.
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| 191 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 16:16
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BMD, So are you saying I should have looked into this before I signed up?
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| 192 | beastiemiked
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ID: 03531815
Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 17:31
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Yes, see post 49. However, I'm pretty sure rakeback for Full tilt counts against your bonus so it really doesn't matter until all of your bonus money is cleared.
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| 193 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Wed, Dec 21, 2005, 20:37
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just recieved my 3rd bonus payout from FTP.
I have been having pretty good luck with playing there. While they do not offer a referral bonus they do offer a rakeback from referred players. If anyone wants to sign up they give 100 percent bonus on your deposit and i would be willing to split any rakebacks. Email me if you are interested,
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| 194 | R9
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ID: 02624472
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 00:19
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An update for the private tourney.
Hello Richard,
We are pleased to extend you the ability to post your own
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To post a new tournament, log into the PokerStars software and locate
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contain a URL or an Email address (such as a location where the
password can openly be found).
Good luck running your private games! We thank you and your group
for choosing PokerStars as the home of your private events.
Regards,
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PokerStars Support Team
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So we're good to go as soon as we decide on:
1) Entrance fee.
2) The day.
3) The password.
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| 195 | beastiemiked
ID: 481116721
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 00:33
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1. It doesn't matter to me. I'll vote for $15 as I think that won't put a dent into anyone's roll and the winner will at least get something more than bragging rights.
2. I'd say a weeknight(Mon-Thurs) would probably be the best.
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| 196 | beastiemiked
ID: 481116721
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 00:34
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Also, does anyone have an account at Stars and Party that would be willing to transfer me some money? I would return them the favor on Party.
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| 197 | Sludge
ID: 14411118
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 00:36
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$15 and I'm out. $5 or nothing for me.
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| 198 | Sludge
ID: 14411118
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 00:37
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And a weeknight is best for me as well.
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| 199 | Micheal
ID: 1010242320
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 03:21
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bmd
Do you have a full tilt account? I could transfer you on PS, but I don't have a PP account.
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| 200 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 03:43
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I have accounts both PS and PP, but cashed out entirely at party and only have about 50$ at pokerstars. If the tourney is only 5$ I don't have a problem there, although what I'll do with 5$ at partypoker is beyond me. ;)
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| 201 | biliruben
ID: 531202411
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 09:42
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Turn it into riches beyond your wildest dreams, I'm sure.
I'm in for $5 if I can figure out how to get $5 in there. What are the options?
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| 202 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 10:06
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I saw this hand over on 2+2 and thought it was a good discussion hand. $55 SNG, top 3 pay 50/30/20.
Blinds 100/200
UTG (t3465)
Button (t2210)
SB (t2215)
Hero (t2110)
Button pushes all in, SB calls, you wake up with QQ. What do you do?
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| 203 | biliruben
ID: 531202411
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 10:11
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Fold, unless your main goal is to win 1st.
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| 204 | swami
ID: 75542011
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 10:31
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I'm in for $5
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| 205 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 51828221
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 11:45
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#202 Well folding pretty much guarantees you at least 3rd place...unless they split the pot. You still have a good enough stack that you can realistically compete against the remaining two. If you call and win you have just made minimally 2nd...with a good shot at first with a 2 to 1 chip lead.
Your best scenario if you do call is one player has a lower pair and the other has something like AK...you would be looking at a coin flip and getting 2 to 1 on your money. There is a chance both have underpairs and then you would be a big favorite. The hands you fear are AA or KK where you are in big trouble. A missing piece of information is what kind of read you have on the two opponents...are they pushing in often? is this the first time they have went all-in? Have you seen either play a big pair by pushing in? Is the 50 SNG a big gamble for you where you would be happy with 2nd or 3rd or does the hero play them regularly? The player you really must be concerned with is the SB...he has you covered and generally you must be stronger to call a big raise than to make the raise.
Result...I call the all-in. Why? I figure the SB for the hand with more potential to have me beat...If the SB does win the hand...UTG & Hero split the 3rd place money ~50 ea...so I figure a fair chance I am minimally getting my buy-in back. If I win the hand I am in solid position to win the tournament and take 250.
There is always another sit n go...If it was UTG that had me covered and SB & hero had the same stack I would likely fold. It is a pretty good question and if someone decided to fold there I could not make a strong argument that it is the wrong play.
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| 206 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 12:29
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TRS, if SB wins you are out 4th and receive $0.
SB's calling range has to be small probably no worse than 88+ AJ+. Even if I consider the SB a maniac I'm folding into the money. KK I fold as well. If I have more chips than the button it makes the decision a little tougher. I'm still leaning towards folding in this scenario unless I suspect SB's calling range is wide.
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| 207 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 51828221
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 17:18
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Unless I am missing something...If the SB wins you and UTG are both out of the tournament and you would split the 3rd place money....oops just relooked at the amounts...I read it 2210 vs 2215 vs 2210 instead of the hero having 2110. Still at least where I play SNGs if the hero and UTG both go out on the same hand they would split the 3rd place $ no matter what the starting stacks. If the place is determined by stack size entering the hand then I could agree with folding.
The button making that play could be a wide range of hands trying to steal the blinds but I would have to at least put him on a decent hand for him to go all-in...probably the minimum hand is Ax. The SB has to be that much better...if you are right and the hands you put him on are "no worse than 88+ AJ+" I think you have to call as you have a majority of those hands absolutely dominated. You are behind vs AA and KK ...you are better than even money vs AK...you have AQ, AJ, JJ, 1010, 99, 88 dominated. The fact that you are getting 2-1 on your call I think makes it correct. If the SB is a maniac then I do not even think twice about calling because I feel there is a far better chance I have the best hand. I do not think I would ever fold KK preflop in a SNG unless someone showed me AA.
I do not play a ton of SNGs but when I play I am playing for first place...I am not satisfied with limping into 3rd place money.
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| 208 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 51828221
Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 18:21
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New poker thread started....
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