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Subject: EU vs USA
Posted by: boikin
- [59831214] Wed, Jul 11, 2007, 11:40
there is probably a thread i could have placed this in but i could not remeber one of the top of my head, so started a new one. i think the paper will give people a chance to read up prosperity differnecse between the USA and the EU. It is especially good read for all those who say how bad USA is. I will say that i found that the article ignores any mention of health care and undocumented workers which could change some of the findings, but over all it makes for an interesting if not long read.
EU vs USA
oh an make a note of how few people in europe own a dishwasher. |
| 1 | Jag
ID: 3064839
Wed, Jul 11, 2007, 16:28
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I talk to dozens of Euros a day and one of the reasons I am so Anti-Left is I hear of their Liberal government failures and strongly believe it would be magnified 10x if those policies were practiced here.
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| 2 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Wed, Jul 11, 2007, 16:38
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First hand report...I have spent a lot of time in Europe through work and I have a far better standard of living than counterparts in Europe...not even close.
Their health care system is being far overrated by our media/public...in most places it is close to a disaster and there are definitely two standards of care over there whether you have money to afford better care or not.
Not putting down Europe as there are many things I love about life there...less work, better vacations, less government interference in personal choices, less commercial, etc...
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| 3 | Perm Dude
ID: 116161117
Wed, Jul 11, 2007, 18:20
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What I've heard (from people with firsthand knowledge) is that the French system is head and shoulders above anything in Europe, especially England.
One of the problems with the debate, IMO, is that a number of other systems are lumped together when at times there are large differences among them.
Another is that there is no way we are completely scrapping the system we have and adopting someone else's. What we need to do is examine what works (and doesn) in our system and others and try to model what works in others to replace what doesn't in ours.
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| 4 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Jul 13, 2007, 17:57
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boikin It is especially good read for all those who say how bad USA is.
Who is saying how "bad the USA is". Certainly one of the greatest countries on the planet and anyone who lives or has grown up there is lucky...who has said otherwise?
Nerve
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| 5 | Razor
ID: 36632717
Fri, Jul 13, 2007, 21:33
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The problem with comparing healthcare systems is that there are so many different ways to judge it that it's difficult to say if one system is "better" than another without defining what "better" exactly means. For example, if you are exceptionally sick, you are better off living in the country with the best facilities, technology and physicians in the world, which is the U.S. If you are poor and only get routinely sick, you are better off living in a country where healthcare coverage is affordable or free. My gripe is that while we are the best at some things, we are not so good at others (universal coverage) and pay through the nose for healthcare whose results, in aggregate, are not significantly better than other countries. I'm not sure we have to socialize healthcare entirely to achieve universal coverage and cheaper average costs.
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| 6 | Perm Dude
ID: 196121310
Fri, Jul 13, 2007, 22:28
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It's a tough call. But we certainly do need to be looking at it.
I, for one, don't mind if someone wants to pay more money for better (or quicker) health care. Living in a capitalistic country that seems like a no-brainer to me. But those with more money who want better health care should not have that subsidized by others.
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| 7 | Doug
ID: 113132214
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 04:07
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For example, if you are exceptionally sick, you are better off living in the country with the best facilities, technology and physicians in the world
Close, but not quite... if you are exceptionally sick, you're only better off living in that country IF you have access to those facilities, technology and physicians. If not, then they are essentially irrelevant to your evaluation.
As an exceptionally sick individual, you are actually best off in whichever country has the best quality of medical care that you have reasonable access too, which for many people is not the same country as the one you describe (the US).
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| 8 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 12:59
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boikin It is especially good read for all those who say how bad USA is.
Who is saying how "bad the USA is". Certainly one of the greatest countries on the planet and anyone who lives or has grown up there is lucky...who has said otherwise?
Nerve
Nerve you are telling me you have never seen anyone post something negative about the US in the forums?
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| 9 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 13:27
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Nerve you are telling me you have never seen anyone post something negative about the US in the forums?
you're kidding, right?
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| 10 | nerveclinic
ID: 7621618
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 19:02
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Nerve you are telling me you have never seen anyone post something negative about the US in the forums?
Well what do you mean...if someone doesn't like Bush, they can't still appreciate our freedom of speech?
If someone doesn't like invading other countries we still don't understand that the blessings we have make us some of the luckiest people on the planet? Especially if we are white and middle class or above???
We are blessed to have lived here, and to be able to FREELY criticize what we don't like.
Maybe you are the one who doesn't get what America is really all about.
Don't you like people being able to speak their mind freely?
(posted using a proxy server)
I sure as hell appreciate the right to free speech.
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| 11 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Tue, Jul 17, 2007, 12:39
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Actually nerve i was thinking more of lines of the economy especially those who like you who just implied that if you are not white and middle class some how your life sucks here in america, don't make my point for me. I never said anything about freedom of speech or Bush, is your mind so one track? Is this how you make an logical case against an economic paper by saying that i am against free speech, all i wanted to do was point out that maybe we are not perfect but we sure are allot better off that most anyone else and that this was a retort to the naysayers, but i guess you goals have been accomplished you have hijacked this thread way off topic, you have let everyone know you are the man congratulations.
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| 12 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Fri, Jun 13, 2008, 14:08
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The Irish save Europe; there is still hope for a Democratic Europe.
Every time one of these EU treaties is offered up for a popular vote, it gets trounced. In this case, the Eurocrats had made it so that every affected nation but the Irish would be unable to vote on ratification. Fortunately for the people of Europe the Irish have not lost their spirit of independence even after centuries of English domination.
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| 13 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Jun 23, 2008, 10:08
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Is this the beginning of the end of the EU?
The ultra-Europeans have overplayed their hand. We can now glimpse a chain of events that will halt, and reverse, this extremist push towards an Über-state that almost no one wants.
The attempt to override the triple "No" votes of the French, Dutch, and Irish peoples has brought the EU to a systemic crisis of legitimacy.
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