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0 Subject: Seattle Hempfest 2008 August 16 & 17

Posted by: Seattle Zen
- Leader [055343019] Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 13:24



It's that time again. I'm speaking this year at the McWilliams Stage Saturday at 6:45pm and on Sunday I'll be at the Seeley Stage at 12:45pm.

We've got a blast from the past with Bone, Thugs n Harmony on the Main Stage on Sunday. As always, it's free to the public.
1Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 13:34
Here's some mainsteam media coverage of Hempfest.
When asked why he’s chosen to focus on marijuana rather than other pressing social issues, Rick Steves’ answer is simple: “Anybody can talk about homelessness and everyone claps, but people are afraid to talk about marijuana…. I can speak out and survive. I don’t need to be elected or promoted.” Steves’ successful company—which publishes guidebooks and hosts overseas trips—employs 80 people. The nature of his business means that he spends a good chunk of each year traveling the world, where he sees firsthand how many other countries have addressed their drug problems more successfully than the United States. He’s occasionally smoked marijuana while abroad and doesn’t want to lie about it to his kids or to anybody else. He believes this country can adopt a pragmatic policy toward marijuana with a focus on harm reduction and public health, rather than tough but counterproductive criminalization. When he accepted the Luther Institute’s Wittenberg Award, recognizing outstanding service to church and society earlier this year, he didn’t pull any punches as he talked about drug policy reform to the mostly conservative crowd.
2nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 5047110
      Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 16:18


(Soft knocks at the door)

Chong: Who is it?

Cheech: It's me, Dave. Open up, man, I got the stuff.

(More knocks)
Chong: Who is it?

Cheech: It's me, Dave, man. Open up, I got the stuff.

Chong: Who?

Cheech: It's, Dave, man. Open up, I think the cops saw me come in here.

(More knocks)
Chong: Who is it?

Cheech: It's, Dave, man. Will you open up, I got the stuff with me.

Chong: Who?

Cheech: Dave, man. Open up.

Chong: Dave?

Cheech: Yeah, Dave. C'mon, man, open up, I think the cops saw me.

Chong: Dave's not here.

Cheech: No, man, I'm Dave, man.

(Sharp knocks at the door)
Cheech: Hey, c'mon, man.

Chong: Who is it?

Cheech: It's Dave, man. Will you open up? I got the stuff with me.

Chong: Who?

Cheech: Dave, man. Open up.

Chong: Dave?

Cheech: Yeah, Dave.

Chong: Dave's not here.

Cheech: What the hell? No, man, I am Dave, man. Will you...
(More knocks)

Cheech: C'mon! Open up the door, will you? I got the stuff with me, I think the cops saw me.

Chong: Who is it?

Cheech: Oh, what the hell is it...c'mon. Open up the door! It's Dave!

Chong: Who?

Cheech: Dave! D-A-V-E! Will you open up the goddam door!

Chong: Dave?

Cheech: Yeah, Dave!

Chong: Dave?

Cheech: Right, man. Dave. Now will you open up
the door?

Chong: Dave's not here.

3Boldwin
      ID: 406201020
      Sun, Jul 27, 2008, 20:39
Now why wasn't that scene in 'Reefer Madness'?
4Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Fri, Aug 15, 2008, 01:10
Hempfest's grass is greener this year: Event aims to be more eco-friendly
"Some people think Hempfest is about as green an event as it can get, but we can go greener," he said. "We are looking at ways to reduce our carbon footprints. We are composting both at the cafe and staff kitchen; using biodegradable food utensils (corn, plastics that dissolve); a company called General Biodiesel is harvesting the used cooking oil from vendors; we're running the main stage and Hemposium stage on biodiesel; and printing programs on 100 percent consumer-recycled paper with soy inks."
5nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 5047110
      Fri, Aug 15, 2008, 14:17


Zen you know that I was just kidding with the Cheech and Chong thing?

I hope you have a successful event, it's an important cause.

6Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Mon, Aug 18, 2008, 13:47
Revelry, politics mix at Hempfest



Huge crowds, just unbelievable. The weather was great, a little too hot on Saturday. Hey, my name is on the T-shirt!

Celebrating all things cannabis -- Hempfest draws throngs to Myrtle Edwards Park
7Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Mon, Aug 18, 2008, 18:57


A common sight the past two days. Wonder why they charged $5 a brownie, much more than you would find even at Whole Foods, yet were never short of customers?
8Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Mon, Aug 18, 2008, 19:00
Nerve

How does this rank as an important cause? Try selling it as freeing up expensive jail space I guess. But the 'right' to smoke pot ranks right up there with 'Save the Snail Darter'.
9Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Mon, Aug 18, 2008, 19:10
I really do hate the thot of seein them gullible babies pushed up against the weight room boys.

Does no one care about them? Does no one care about all the inner city youths dying over drug selling gang turf wars? Does no one care about the large percentage of poor mules going to jail so the drug lords can make their obscene profits and the spoiled rich kids can have their candy? The carnage drug cartels are making in Mexico and Columbia and every other country really? The 'gold or lead' buying of government officials and judges?

That is one guilty pleasure indulged without a conscience.
10biliruben
      ID: 38751812
      Mon, Aug 18, 2008, 19:12
All that happens simply because it's illegal, Baldwin. Legalize it, and every single one of those problems goes away.
11Boxman
      ID: 211139621
      Mon, Aug 18, 2008, 19:18
Boldwin: Getting high is really the only way liberalism could make any sense. For Tree, I guess he's built up a tolerance to it so now he needs to have something up his a$$ too which explains his penchant for sodomy.
12Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Mon, Aug 18, 2008, 19:25
Are you sitting in the corner talking to yourself again, Baldy? You've got your "consequences of the drug war" all confused. This is marijuana. It's grown in homes in WA, OR, and British Columbia or in the open air in lovely northern California. You are thinking about cocaine. Spin your sob stories in the CocaineFest thread.
13Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Mon, Aug 18, 2008, 20:06
Bili

So those fresh faces can sit in jail as 'sob stories' to use as leverage to legalize.

Users have a big hole in their conscience.

And yes SZ, they import the stuff. You didn't think your closet grow lamps were lighting up all Seattle, did you?
14Tree
      ID: 177421817
      Mon, Aug 18, 2008, 21:15
For Tree, I guess he's built up a tolerance to it so now he needs to have something up his a$$ too which explains his penchant for sodomy.

yea. that post contributed to this discussion.

seriously boxman - you're not doing much lately other than trolling.

that's fine. it's what you do when you don't have any other solid point.
15Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Mon, Aug 18, 2008, 21:56
You are not gonna get me to repeat yer favorite line, Tree.

Box

Resist sinking to the lowest common denominator no matter the provocation.
16nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 5047110
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 01:38




How does this rank as an important cause?

The important cause is detailed in many of the points you list here...

Does no one care about all the inner city youths dying over drug selling gang turf wars? Does no one care about the large percentage of poor mules going to jail so the drug lords can make their obscene profits and the spoiled rich kids can have their candy? The carnage drug cartels are making in Mexico and Columbia and every other country really? The 'gold or lead' buying of government officials and judges?

All the problems above are created by your cultures need to enforce your beliefs on others when this is a victimless crime otherwise.

Do you care Baldwin? You and your ilk cause all the problems above with your draconian views on what we as "free" citizens can and cannot do.

We have to decide as a nation and a culture if we want to solve the problems you listed above. If we want to solve them, the simple solution is legalization of all drugs.

As Bili pointed out all the problems above are created by criminalizing this activity. This turns what would be a victimless crime into the problems you list precisely because the criminalization creates unregulated criminal profit opportunities that wouldn't exist if legalized.

But this thread is about Marijuana, and marijuana is a safer drug then alcohol and shouldn't be lumped in with the more serious drugs you seem to be talking about.

So what is important about this cause isn't that we should all be smoking pot (Clearly living in the M.E. I don't). What's important is we grow as a culture out of the simple mind set of criminalizing an activity that should be free.

That we also provide this medicine to patients who are extremely sick and get relief from smoking it. Thankfully this is already happening in some progressive states.

As long as there are people being thrown in jail cells for smoking, growing or selling it, it's an important cause. As long as people are having their property confiscated by a fascist government for growing it, it's an important cause.

As long as scared simpletons continue to ruin our country by turning this relatively harmless plant into a reason to restrict our rights as free human beings it makes us a shadow of the country and ideals we profess to believe in.

That answer won't satisfy you or your kind though Baldwin because you don't want freedom. You've made that clear over the years.

I didn't realize Box fell into that category also.




17Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 06:21
All the problems above are created by your cultures need to enforce your beliefs on others when this is a victimless crime otherwise.

All cultures force their beliefs on others. It's what laws do. By that logic the people who think murder is a fun past time should be allowed to do it.

No it's not an important cause. Americans are getting railroaded by the cost of living and liberals like Zen respond with "Hey duuuude just get high!" Once Pelosi decides to return from vacation I'd rather have Madame Speaker focus both of her attentive minutes on an energy policy and renewables.

You and your ilk cause all the problems above with your draconian views on what we as "free" citizens can and cannot do.

Yeah we're to blame for everything. Your kind is faultless. Life is easier that way isn't it?

18Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Tue, Aug 19, 2008, 07:00
Nerve

Of course you forget my position is that it is really made illegal to enforce the power elite monopoly on drug sales and drive up the price for them as well.

I don't forget that you realized somewhere along the line that MJ smoking was a bad thing to do to yourself. Sounds like you forget the lesson life taught you.

While legalization would solve some problems it would create just as many aimless self-indulgent failed lives and health problems.

Legalization may be a reluctant neccessity but glorification of drug use isn't going to lead to legalization, isn't a wise thing, doesn't convince the anti-drug public, helps sales for the power elite's monopoly. What it does is remind parents that there are bad people out there who want to ruin their children's lives. Some people actually have the mental and moral accuity to understand that Dave is at the door and he has a bad thing in his hand.
19nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 5047110
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 00:59

Box

All cultures force their beliefs on others. It's what laws do. By that logic the people who think murder is a fun past time should be allowed to do it.

Completely skewed logic Box. The comparison makes no sense.

By that logic, if a culture wants to make Negroes sit at the back of the bus that's fine also??? It's just a culture imposing their will.


No it's not an important cause. Americans are getting railroaded by the cost of living and liberals like Zen respond with "Hey duuuude just get high!" Once Pelosi decides to return from vacation I'd rather have Madame Speaker focus both of her attentive minutes on an energy policy and renewables.


Are you smoking Box? You can't seem to stay on topic. I agree congress shouldn't be taking a vacation right now, that doesn't mean throwing people in a cage for pot is OK.

Grasping at straws?

Baldy I don't forget that you realized somewhere along the line that MJ smoking was a bad thing to do to yourself. Sounds like you forget the lesson life taught you.

What I realized Baldwin, is that like anything else, if MJ is used in excess over a number of years it likely has damaging effect on your health. Just like excessive drinking, just like excessive exercising, just like excessive religious beliefs. (reference Jim Jones)

It wasn't a "lesson life taught me" it just seems like common sense to me and has for the last 25 years.

That does not mean I see a problem with reasonable recreational use. Nor does it mean I can't see why stopping our government from locking people in cages for using or selling MJ is an important cause.

20Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 06:49
Nerve

If drugs were legalized what percentage of users would really keep it down to a 'reasonable' level. Isn't that the biggest problem? They hijack your will, by mimicking natural signals in the brain to 'keep doing that...a lot of that...lots and lots of that'.
21CanadianHack
      ID: 747218
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 08:14
Baldwin

Is your position that anything that one might get addicted to (sex, the internet, porn, exercize etc) should be illegal because those addictions "highjack your will"?

Or is this another example of your hypocracy. You are special pleading in this one case but won't use the same "logic" in any other field.

And in a related question, does anyone want to bet that Baldwin will not give a straight answer to this question?
22Tree
      ID: 13714198
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 08:53
If drugs were legalized what percentage of users would really keep it down to a 'reasonable' level. Isn't that the biggest problem? They hijack your will, by mimicking natural signals in the brain to 'keep doing that...a lot of that...lots and lots of that'.

for a minute, i thought you were talking about religion.

for me personally, it might increase my usage slightly. instead of my occasional tokes with friends when they're in town, i might actually smoke once a week, no different than sitting on my couch with a beer.

but, like a lot of people here, i've got a day job, and i prefer to not be high or drunk when doing my job.

i've described living here in NYC as like being high ALL THE TIME. it's a constant buzz, and you never come down. i don't really like that. if you're high all the time, to me, you don't enjoy it as much because it doesn't seem as "special"...
23biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 10:28
Anyone who has a connection can pretty much smoke whenever and however much they want right now.

There have been international studies, and iirc, usage saw a slight bump, but then leveled off after legalization.

In many S. American countries where it's ubiquitous, it's actually stigmatized as something only the lower-classes do.
24Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 13:29
Hack

Since you rarely come around I will forgive you for failing to note, even in this very thread, that I am in reluctantly in favor of legalization [but very much in favor of stigamtizing and discouraging drug use in any constructive way possible].
25ChicagoTRS
      ID: 4110481415
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 14:24
Moderation is the key as with many things in life. Legalization will not make it any worse...anyone who wants to smoke MJ probably does it already...it is not like it is inaccessible.

I have always been a conservative...but their drug policies...gambling policies (online poker)...taking away personal freedom has driven me away from the party. I have a hard time with the liberals also because I do not really want a socialist government. Mostly I just want the government out of my life except in the most extreme circumstances...I do not need a babysitter.

MJ being illegal is a joke and an extreme waste of taxpayers dollars. They have been fighting this drug war in earnest for nearly 40 years and in the end drugs have never been more accessible or of higher quality. Time to take a new approach. The american people have spoken...a not insignificant percentage occasionally smoke. Legalize and tax it.
26Razor
      ID: 545172413
      Wed, Aug 20, 2008, 15:14
I would love to see it taxed heavily. One of the only reasons I am against legalization is to stick it to those folks who come up with inane reasons for why we should legalize it when all they really want is it for it to be cheaper and more readily accessible. But hey, if the government can make some coin off of it and smoking laws are enforced everywhere the same as they are with cigarettes, then I am all for it.
27nerveclinic
      ID: 55792111
      Thu, Aug 21, 2008, 12:09

stick it to those folks who come up with inane reasons for why we should legalize it when all they really want is it for it to be cheaper and more readily accessible.

Razor didn't it occur to you they might want it to be legal to avoid jail cells, arrest records and confiscation of property in some cases?

28Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Thu, Aug 21, 2008, 16:00
Calm yourself Nerve. There is no such 'it' which Razor would not like to see taxed heavily. He doesn't need a functional valid reason.
29Razor
      ID: 545172413
      Thu, Aug 21, 2008, 16:51
Boldwin - I believe in using taxation as a deterrent. You believe using your religious beliefs to justify passing laws as a deterrent. I think economic principles are more widely agreed upon than your religious beliefs.

nerve - if that was their reasoning, they would have just said that. I don't deny for a second that there are many valid reasons for legalizing pot, but there are a lot of people who just want to be able to get it cheaper and will make up any ridiculous argument to do it. They annoy the piss out of me.
30nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 5047110
      Thu, Aug 21, 2008, 17:20


Razor

Take a deeper look.

Do you want to be free?



31Razor
      ID: 545172413
      Fri, Aug 22, 2008, 08:39
Free to do what? Smoke, snort, ingest whatever I want? I think Chicago's ban on foie gras affected me more directly than laws banning MJ, coke, etc...and I live in Atlanta. Indirectly, the effects are more murky, and I am not okay with my tax dollars getting spent fighting a fairly harmless drug.
32Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Fri, Aug 22, 2008, 13:06
Careful Razor...they'll pin a minute of hate on ya, ya goose gizzard eater.
33nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 5047110
      Fri, Aug 22, 2008, 14:39


Free to do what? Smoke, snort, ingest whatever I want?

No Razor.

Sometimes being free means accepting the fact that there will always be people who do things you don't agree with, but as long as they aren't causing harm to others, not imposing your belief system on them...as long as they aren't harming others.




34Razor
      ID: 545172413
      Fri, Aug 22, 2008, 16:10
Where are you getting the idea that I don't agree with pot smoking? If people want to do it, fine. Just don't do it in anywhere where I can inhale it or while driving. If it is legalized though, I want it taxed just like cigarettes and alcohol are.

Boldwin - Incidentally, I don't eat foie gras any more, but there was a time when I did (besides, the ban in Chicago has since been lifted). But you know, just because I am on the opposite side of the political spectrum doesn't mean that self-righteous types are any less annoying to me than they are to you, especially when it comes to food.
35Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Fri, Aug 22, 2008, 16:13
Save the veals, that's what I say.
36Seattle Zen
      ID: 8748191
      Sun, Aug 24, 2008, 13:50
List of ten YouTube videos of "Hemposium" panels of speakers from this year's Hempfest.

Here's the list of topics:
* Industrial Hemp: What it Can Do for America (Day 1)
* Industrial Hemp: What it Can Do for America (Day 2)
* State of the State: Washington Medical Marijuana Law
* Cannabis and Spiritual Freedom
* Looking Forward in Cannabis Reform
* Pot Pride
* Marijuana Mythbusters
* Ask Your Doctor if Medical Marijuana is Right for You
* Patients out of Patience: How to Obtain your Medicine
* Marijuana and the Media

I did not participate in any of these panels, I spoke on other stages.
37Boldwin
      ID: 6755268
      Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 01:05
From Rotoworld...
Packers DT Johnny Jolly Jr.'s court date on charges of felony drug possession...
It figures
38Boldwin
      ID: 58151319
      Sun, Sep 14, 2008, 04:16
Just more proof the Bush brothers running the drug running states of Florida and Texas thru their appointees, were put there to facilitate the drug trade for the benefit of their secret society overlords.
39nerveclinic
      ID: 35848146
      Sun, Sep 14, 2008, 07:48

Baldy

What does post 38 have to do with the Hempfest?

40Boldwin
      ID: 58151319
      Sun, Sep 14, 2008, 10:06
Too lazy to dig up whatever thread we've discussed Ramos and Campeon in. Drugs...it's a drug thread.

41Tree
      ID: 41858149
      Sun, Sep 14, 2008, 11:15
it's a drug thread.

well no, not really.
42nerveclinic
      ID: 478291414
      Sun, Sep 14, 2008, 15:29

it's a drug thread.

That would be like sticking it in a thread about Octoberfest and saying "it's a drug thread".

43Boldwin
      ID: 58151319
      Sun, Sep 14, 2008, 17:26
The guy they shot had a van full of weed. No we are not talking apples and oranges.
44Tree
      ID: 138111414
      Sun, Sep 14, 2008, 17:39
The guy they shot had a van full of weed. No we are not talking apples and oranges.

yea, actually, we are. you've proven yourself too stupid lately - and apparently, too lazy currently - to bother to even try to education yourself on anything in which you're ignorant, which, again, is apparently quite a bit, but to compare a drug runner shot by two cops turned criminals and his van full of weed with the joy and excitement of hempfest, shows you don't know the difference between, well, apples and oranges.
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