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Subject: Thot Experiment One and Two
Posted by: Boldwin
- [133532810] Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 13:57
Scenario one:
A year from now Iran loads a nuke on a Shahib4 rocket or whatever they call it and nukes Isreal.
question: What is Obama's response?
Scenario Two:
A year from now a hijacked plane hits the White House. Obama is out but Michelle and the kids are killed. Iran it is discovered has a facility that trains islamic terrorists how to hijack planes, and when called on it defend it, boast about it, invite more terrorists to come and train on their aircraft mockup, and tell Obama that he cannot bully them because they are a nuclear power.
question: What is Obama's response? |
| 1 | biliruben
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Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:01
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Well, if it were Bush, he'd wage a land war in N. Korea.
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| 2 | tree, on the treo
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Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:09
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game, set, and match.
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| 3 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:11
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Funny at first blush. But then if you are thinking you realize that the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq were two of the three countries openly training and sponsoring world terrorism as official state policy at the time of a huge terrorist attack on American soil.
Politics being the art of the possible, as they say, what would Obama do if he finds himself in those realities.
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| 4 | Perm Dude
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Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:18
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#1: We stand with Israel.
#2: We tell Israel to stand aside, while we bomb any and all nuclear sites. My guess is that Iran will try (and fail) to do anything with their couple of half-assed nuclear bombs because they lack delivery capability.
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| 5 | Seattle Zen
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Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:23
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what would Obama do if he finds himself in those realities.
Well, if he were a liberal, he'd send in a whole bunch of ground troops, underfund their equipment, and celebrate each and every death.
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| 6 | tree, on the treo
ID: 515451613
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:26
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I agree with PD to an extent.
stand with israel, but convince them a nuclear response is not the best option....
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| 7 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:30
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Pause to reflect on Steve Houpt #107.
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| 8 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:33
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PD
Are you current with Obama's insistance that Isreal not go for an OsirakII?
If Obama was deliberately playing for time to get Iran's nukes up and running he could not play it better.
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| 9 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:34
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Obama is saying that Israel should not do a pre-emptive strike, as many hardliners are hoping they will do. I have no problem with his stance on that issue.
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| 10 | boikin
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Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:42
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#1: We stand with Israel what does that mean after a nuclear attack? Is there an Israel to stand with? What is the appropriate retaliations? clearly nuclear attach on Iran would be excessive.
#2 pretty much agree with PD in 4.
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| 11 | Perm Dude
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Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 14:51
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Israel's response capability won't be knocked out by Iranian bombing. I don't think that Iran will ever get material to make enough bombs, and I don't think they will ever get accurate delivery systems to knock Israel off the map.
They might do some damage, for sure. But not enough to completely do the job.
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| 12 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 15:12
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that is probably true given they could probably never build anything bigger than what Pakistan has and that is about equivalent to bombs dropped on japan. If some how they did make and deliver a 1 megaton warhead for living purposes Israel would not exist for the near future.
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| 13 | Boldwin
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Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 15:21
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See, if I had said Iran is too stupid to build a delivery vehicle to reach Isreal it would be jingoistic lack of respect for a foreign culture, but when PD says it, it's sound foreign policy. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx While we are at it let's pause and reflect on western liberal influence in Iranian affairs, other than fiddling while Iran built the bomb. Let's consider what they 'saved' Iran from when they helped take out the Shah. Look at Iran's treatment of the Jews for centuries and then look at the Shah's administration. Read a good bit of that [yes I read it all] and then scroll down to 'The Pahlavi Reforms'. But undermining the pro-American Shah made the liberals feel so good about themselves.
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| 14 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 15:34
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Hmm. At what point did we go from "thought experiment" to "revisionist history?" Oh wait, #13, when Baldwin misquotes me...
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| 15 | Tree
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Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 15:46
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Oh wait, #13, when Baldwin misquotes me...
we should start doing an over/under in each thread as to when Baldwin will misquote someone on this board, lie about something they said, or just in general make something up.
the body count discussion in the other thread is rich.
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| 16 | Boldwin
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Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 16:45
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My guess is that Iran will try (and fail) to do anything with their couple of half-assed nuclear bombs because they lack delivery capability. - PD See, if I had said Iran is too stupid to build a delivery vehicle to reach Isreal it would be jingoistic lack of respect for a foreign culture, but when PD says it, it's sound foreign policy. Hmm. At what point did we go from "thought experiment" to "revisionist history?" Oh wait, #13, when Baldwin misquotes me... - PD Oh, I'm sorry, Iran is both so stupid that they 'lack delivery capability' [ie their Shahab3 is a dud, cause they are too stupid] and their 'half-assed nuclear bombs' according to PD, are too 'half-assed' to worry about. What? PD worry? MADD has been replaced by MAD magazine. At least he has the ears for the role.
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| 17 | nerveclinic
Leader
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Thu, Jun 18, 2009, 09:22
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Obama would do what ever the people who put him in power tell him to do. They are the same people that put Bush in power so I would expect a similar if nuanced response.
You of all people Baldwin should know at the core there's no real difference.
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| 18 | Boldwin
ID: 26451820
Thu, Jun 18, 2009, 09:26
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In the large sense, yes of course The control isn't perfect and fine tuned and they kinda get different sorts of pieces of their puzzle from each side. They get their way but maybe not this term for that project.
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