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Subject: France issues ban on birqa
Posted by: Khahan
- [391582715] Mon, Jun 22, 2009, 12:55
Sarkozy issues ban on the birqa in France.
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"The burqa is not a religious sign, it's a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement — I want to say it solemnly," he said. "It will not be welcome on the territory of the French Republic."
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I'm curious what these boards think of issue from a few perspsectives. Is this a religious issue or a human rights issue as Sarkozy states.
Because of its link to the muslim religion I cannot see this kind of a ban flying in America, but how about its chances of successfully sticking and being enforced in France?
Governmental/religious issues aside do you personally think this is a good idea, bad idea or are you completely indifferent? |
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| 24 | Seattle Zen
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Mon, Jun 22, 2009, 19:50
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When we lived in the Puerto Rican section of Sunset Park...
Tiny pockets of America where cat calls are not rare hardly condemns the entirety of Western Culture. The whole country of Norway is awaiting its first catcall. To say it happens "often" in Western Culture is absurd and shows cultural misunderstanding held by the person who stated it that is as wrong as the standard Americans' notion that Islamic people hate Americans.
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| 25 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Mon, Jun 22, 2009, 20:52
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The whole country of Norway is awaiting its first catcall.
that's a complete Baldwin.
from Bergen, Norway, comes Cat Call!
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| 26 | Seattle Zen
ID: 17592212
Mon, Jun 22, 2009, 20:57
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from Bergen, Norway, comes Cat Call!
I stand corrected.
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| 27 | Razor
ID: 385371019
Mon, Jun 22, 2009, 21:36
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To suggest that burqas purpose is to protect from catcalls, but to prevent a woman's sexuality from being on constant display. This is a culture where sexuality outside of the confines of marriage is considered sinful and the women do not hold hands with a man until their wedding day. These are the values of their culture and their religion and should not be subject to scrutiny from a secular government that purports to protect religious freedom. It's not as though a Muslim woman who does not wear a burqa on the streets of Paris would be stoned - a woman who wears a burqa on the streets of Paris does so because she wants to.
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| 28 | Boldwin
ID: 26451820
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 04:13
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They are not worried about mere catcalls. They are preventing immoral relationships...you know, that kind of thing the western media think are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I am on the otherhand a little concerned about the genetic repercussions of a couple thousand years of marrying literal pigs in pokes. That just can't be good for looks. Maybe they take a real sharp estimate of them when they are young and pre-burka and project that forward. I dunno.
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| 29 | nerveclinic
ID: 25582311
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 12:08
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Baldwin post 28 LMFAO
You see you can be funny when you aren't completely off your rocker.
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| 30 | nerveclinic
ID: 395102311
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 12:10
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To say it happens "often" in Western Culture is absurd and shows cultural misunderstanding held by the person who stated it that is as wrong as the standard Americans' notion that Islamic people hate Americans.
This is the fantasy you believe is reality when you live in the politically correct NW where men wouldn't dare look at a woman as an object of sexual desire.
Come to think of it, how did you get your wife prego?
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| 31 | Seattle Zen
ID: 495402311
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 12:41
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how did you get your wife prego?
Which one?
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| 32 | biliruben
ID: 461142511
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 12:58
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There is more than one way?
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| 33 | Seattle Zen
ID: 495402311
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 13:15
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Boldwin re 28. Glad to see that Darwin has made an impression.
Nerve: I've lived in the following parts of the Great Satan: Minnesota, Northern and Southern California, Inner city Baltimore, South Carolina, Kansas City, and the Great State of Washington. Downtown Baltimore is 95% black. There certainly was a lot more street banter there than anywhere else I lived and even there I would not say that women were cat called or viewed as prey "often".
If you really believe the statement that Western men can't keep their tongue in their mouths when outside of their homes and women walk by, that most of them are eager to grab that ass in shorts that just walked by, well, you are nuts.
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| 34 | Mith
ID: 2894309
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 14:16
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Zen
Tiny pockets of America where cat calls are not rare hardly condemns the entirety of Western Culture.
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If you really believe the statement that Western men can't keep their tongue in their mouths when outside of their homes and women walk by, that most of them are eager to grab that ass in shorts
Please go back and read what Nerve wrote. He didn't issue a blanket indictment of Western men or the entirety of Western Culture.
He simply said that women being stared at, whistled at, looked at as prey is something that happens often in Western culture. Nerve can correct me if his intent was as broad as you insist on taking him, but I didn't read it that way when I wrote post 22.
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| 35 | nerveclinic
ID: 495312315
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 16:31
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most of them are eager to grab that ass in shorts that just walked by, well, you are nuts.
Where did I say most?
I've been called worse then nuts.
A "friend" on facebook, who I haven't seen in 20 years was reading one of my posts about some work I'm doing here in Dubai and he commented "and I used to think you were insane".
That was last week.
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| 36 | nerveclinic
ID: 435322315
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 16:32
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Actually Zen, I thought you were being sarcastic. Now I'm wondering if you are nuts.
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| 37 | Biliruben on iffyone
ID: 52052916
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 17:40
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Must. Not. Oggle.
Sitting here on a sunny day at a cap hill coffee shop.
Q: If a woman has tats down to her nipples, does she mind if
you steal a glance?
I know I know, boldwin. Ghomorra.
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| 38 | Seattle Zen
ID: 495402311
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 17:43
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Where did I say most?
You said "often" and that implies most.
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| 39 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 18:09
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Q: If a woman has tats down to her nipples, does she mind if you steal a glance?
steal a glance? i think she expects you to stare.
a friend of mine has a set of piercings (four of them), that start a few inches below her shoulder on her left breastbone, and gradually arch toward her cleavage until the fourth piercing is smack dab in the middle, right where her cleavage begins.
her breasts are already quite...noticeable, and she often wears clothes to show them off (and of course, she should!). This, however amplifies it all even more.
and she just posted a photo on facebook, from neck to cleavage, including the piercings, with the caption "The most popular part of me."
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| 40 | biliruben
ID: 461142511
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 18:26
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steal a glance? i think she expects you to stare.
Aye. I was being facetious.
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| 41 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 21:47
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Doesn't happen, except in tiny pockets of America.
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| 42 | Boldwin
ID: 25282121
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 06:48
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What does the size of the pocket have to do with it?
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| 43 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 07:33
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If you're asking me, see #24.
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| 44 | Boldwin
ID: 25282121
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 07:49
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Forget catcalls. Anyone of any extraction, anywhere in any modern western country faces extreme risks of falling victim to the prevailing immoral culture. They are not worried about mere oggling.
When I listen to the prevailing muslim attitude towards raping non-muslims, I am not inclined to say they are any paragons of virtue either but they have good reason to be protective wrt immorality.
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| 45 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 08:27
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Phrase of the day:
...the prevailing muslim attitude towards raping non-muslims...
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| 46 | Boldwin
ID: 25282121
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 10:56
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Ask christians in Egypt, Pakistan etc. It is just amazing what you don't know. Namely just how common rape is used as a form of forced conversion.
What kind of a religion is that?
What CAIR, our self-centered media and our own refusal to believe the worst has kept us from knowing about Islam.
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| 47 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 11:04
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key word there is "prevailing." A code word for "the person saying this is nuts."
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| 48 | Boldwin
ID: 25282121
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 11:45
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When the 'holy' book they revere tells them to go rape the infidels...their role model did it frequently...
I'm not nuts for pointing it out or that it is actually being done. Right now. In many parts of the world. In England. In France. All around the islamic world.
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| 49 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 11:58
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i always find it ironic when folks who purport to be Christians find fault with other religions in regards to forced conversion while not acknowleding their own, as Christianity has a long history of forced conversion, literally ranging for centuries, and in particular targeting Jews and Muslims.
i also find it laughable that the same Christians who might take their own bible literally, find fault when other religions do the same to their own bible.
the fact of the matter is that something that was written so many centuries ago, should not be taken literally. And those that do, quite frankly, are nuts,
now, granted, i'm sure Baldwin finds forced conversion perfectly acceptable if they are being converted to HIS god, but that's another story.
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| 50 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 12:06
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Yes--the news of marauding Muslims raping across England have apparently been covered up by the MSM.
Show me, Baldwin, the proof Muslims have a prevailing attitude toward raping non-muslims. I'm sure a few minutes of Google time will offer up some polling. After all, in Western countries Muslims are often polled, yes?
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| 51 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 12:07
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And you really don't want to be pointing to their holy book as though every attitude is right from the pages. Which part of the Bible did you ignore today?
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| 52 | Boldwin
ID: 25282121
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 12:09
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now, granted, i'm sure Baldwin finds forced conversion perfectly acceptable if they are being converted to HIS god, but that's another story - Tree
It's baseless slander like that by which you prove what an unconscionable troll you are.
Neither Jesus, the Bible, or Christianity are responsible for the attrocities you cite.
What some secret society of knights templar, Jesuits, etc. etc. get up to...finds no basis in the Bible.
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| 53 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 12:14
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Your gal Ann Coulter seems to disagree. Are you going to (finally) disagree with Ann Coulter in a public forum?
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| 54 | sarge33rd
ID: 415362511
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 12:36
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now, granted, i'm sure Baldwin finds forced conversion perfectly acceptable if they are being converted to HIS god, but that's another story - Tree
It's baseless slander like that by which you prove what an unconscionable troll you are.
Neither Jesus, the Bible, or Christianity are responsible for the attrocities you cite.
As opposed to what? Your baseless slander when you accuse me of celebrating the deaths of fellow soldiers?
Odd Boldy, how it seems OK by you for you to "do it", but let someone else take a page from your playbook; and they suddenly become "an unconscionable troll".
When was the last time, you took a really honest look into the mirror?
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| 55 | biliruben
ID: 461142511
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 12:36
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My money is on equivocation.
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| 56 | Pancho Villa
ID: 205392511
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 12:39
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our self-centered media
Are you describing those media sites you link to in the same sentence, like jihadwatch.com and WorldNetDaily, two of the most self-centered agenda driven media sites in the world? And then there's www.Christianpersecution.info, which I'm sure is entirely objective and not self-centered.
But let's bypass the media and go right to our own resident Middle East resident for a comment.
Hey Monty,
How come you never brought up the prevailing muslim attitude towards raping non-muslims in Dubai? I can see how that would negatively affect tourism, so that must be the reason. Either that or it's just not true.
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| 57 | Mith
ID: 2894309
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 13:13
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I sure hope Nerve takes measures to protect himself from the the prevailing muslim attitude towards raping non-muslims.
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| 58 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 13:13
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Clearly, nerve is too busy with the rape parties to give an answer right now.
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| 59 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 14:15
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I'm thinking there's probably a filter that keeps threads like this one that hit a "King's X Bingo" on Islam's scorecard from making it through the Muslim world's firewalls.
Check your cards! Keywords: rape parties, burqa, Muslim (free space), pigs, full monty, immorality, facebook, breasts, Ann Coulter.
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| 60 | nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 15:40
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Dubai is comparable to the rest of the Middle East in the same way San Francisco is comparable to the Amish areas of Pennsylvania.
How could I possibly be considered this forums resident expert on the Middle east.
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| 61 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 15:47
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Neither Jesus, the Bible, or Christianity are responsible for the attrocities you cite.
no? well it sure was used as a reason for forced conversion. we have the benefit of centuries of hindsight to look back and call those things atrocities, but your words here indicate strongly that you would have been a part of it back then.
the way you persecute muslims on this board, i hardly see you standing up for their rights and freedoms when the crusades and inquisitions and so on were going on.
you are making broad, sweeping statements about a religion, based on what you read on some whacked out wingnut sites.
so, here's another chance to prove me wrong.
Baldwin, yes or no, would you have defended the muslims when they were persecuted and repressed during the Spanish Inquisition?
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| 62 | sarge33rd
ID: 115282515
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 16:29
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Of course he would Tree. Same way, he defends the rights of gays today. What was it he said? Oh yeah, something like, "They get what they are entitled to" IIRC
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| 63 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 16:30
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...would you have defended the muslims when they were persecuted and repressed during the Spanish Inquisition?
I certainly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
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| 64 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 16:45
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Baldwin, yes or no, would you have defended the muslims when they were persecuted and repressed during the Spanish Inquisition?
Ill answer for him and most everyone here, NO.
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| 65 | biliruben
ID: 461142511
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 17:12
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Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition.
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| 66 | Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 18:10
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Surprise and fear, those are our weapons...
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| 67 | Boldwin
ID: 25282121
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 18:54
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I would have been the first guy the spanish inquisition tortured and killed.
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| 68 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 19:16
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Jews were the first real targets of the inquisition, despite the nominal jurisdiction of the inquiry over baptized Catholics only.
Read a *great* book on the inquisition a couple of years ago. A fascinating time in history. The Catholic Church in Spain, upset over what they considered the heretical nature of Iberian area, in which Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived peacefully with each other after the reconquest (from the Muslims) of the area into the 1400s.
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| 69 | Boldwin
ID: 25282121
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 19:30
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Alright alright, assuming they could have come up with enuff evidence to convict Tree, I would have been the second person tortured and killed by the spanish inquisition.
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| 70 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 19:33
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No--you'd be the first. When you couldn't respond in Spanish, they would have moved you to the top of the list, oh speaker of tongues...
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| 71 | Boldwin
ID: 25282121
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 19:48
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Well let me know when you make up your mind.
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| 72 | Boldwin
ID: 25282121
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 19:52
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One thing we know for sure...PD would have been leading the cheers at the gallows...zeitgeist...PD. Open and shut case.
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| 73 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 20:05
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#70 was clearly a joke. Or, when you are referencing Ann Coulter, "satire."
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