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Subject: Sen. Robert Byrd dies at 92
Posted by: Tree
- [248472317] Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 08:17
Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia, a fiery orator versed in the classics and a hard-charging power broker who steered billions of federal dollars to the state of his Depression-era upbringing, died Monday. He was 92. |
| 1 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 12:03
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Wow. I'd heard he was gravely ill. Even at 92, the guy was still a firebrand.
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| 2 | biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 16:12
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http://www.samefacts.com/2010/06/watching-
conservatives/the-un-toilet-trained-right-wing/
The center of the republican party shows the deep, dark,
rotted blackness of their souls.
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| 3 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 17:18
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Bili:
Im sure if you wanted to you could find far more disgusting things said by main stream Democrats.
The hypocracy from the left never ceaces to amaze me.
The fact of the matter is the center of the Rebublican party rejects comments that the article is citing and the fact that you are trying to paint all Rebublicans with the broad brush like you have done is eaqually disgusting It is an putright lie you know it.
Examine the rotted blackeness of your own soul before you start making comments about other people's souls.
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| 4 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 17:24
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Ha! bili points out public comments from the right which, at best, show an incredible meanness.
But he's not supposed to do that, apparently, because historically "main stream" Democrats have said "disgusting" things.
So he's supposed to stay silent, eh? While people say terrible things about someone?
At one time, conservatives were advocating a moral absolute, where actions and behaviors were dictated by clear moral rules which did not change based upon the actions of one's perceived political enemies.
Nowadays, however, many on the Right cast about for good reasons to be ass holes, and latching onto what they think Democrats do seem to have given them a good excuse to do so.
When the Right starts acting more and more like moral behavior has meaning to be self-applied, only then will the vast middle of American politics start moving their way. Never before.
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| 5 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 17:26
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Im sure if you wanted to you could find far more disgusting things said by main stream Democrats.
did you follow the link and actually read the article?
if you had, you might have seen passages likes this: Yes, there are sites – Democrats.com for example – where liberals display this sort of behavior. But they’re marginal, and deliberately marginalized. I doubt this reflects a systematic personality difference across the political spectrum.
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| 6 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 18:24
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Tree:
Yes I did read that.
Which begs the question why would Bili so blatantly lie and misrepresent the facts and why was there nobody on the left with enough class to take him to task for the blatant lie?
What was he supposed to do?
He should have ignored it.
We ALL need to ignore such comments when it comes from the extreme fringe that exists in both parties.
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| 7 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 18:35
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He should have ignored it.
Maybe. But sometimes boorish behavior needs to be called out. Most of this kind of stuff happens because people aren't challenged toward acting civil.
Typically, people who are being bullies won't stop being that way simply because others are trying to ignore them.
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| 8 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 18:41
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Please.
The boorish behavior his is done by nobody else but Bili.
To knowingly lie and misrepresent the facts is disgusting.
The fact that you dont have the guts to call him out for it is now becoming equally disgusting.
But this is nothing new for you.
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| 9 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 18:44
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Hmmm. Which part of your post is the one that most goes over our Civility and Respect policy, I wonder?
I suspect that you took his post, which was clearly aimed at those calling on a KKK remembrance for Byrd's death and so on, quite personally.
You react by slamming bili, and myself, personally. Is this another example of relativistic ethics, weykool?
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| 10 | biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 19:21
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Wow. I guess I hit a nerve.
Not sure where I was being dishonest however.
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| 12 | bibA
ID: 115372819
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 20:39
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Not sure where I was being dishonest however.
Are we supposed to believe you mean that now that we know your soul consists of a rotted blackness?
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| 13 | biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 21:58
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Heh
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| 14 | Boldwin
ID: 575102918
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 19:33
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Someone please cancel all the Robert Byrd Memorial 'shovel ready' projects he had in the pipeline.
The ego is finally at rest, but the overspending is still taking us along for the careening gurney-ride to hell.
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| 15 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 21:59
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Hey, what a surprise, Boldwin finally crawled out from under his rock to post something negative. Who had 35 hours in the pool?
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| 16 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 07:56
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biliruben was the first to post something negative with post #2.
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| 17 | Mith
ID: 37540118
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 08:16
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I'm lost on the dishonesty accusation too.
I assume you're accusing him about lying about the tone from center of the Republican party?
As far as I'm concerned the "rotted blackness" bili refers to set in a while ago.
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| 18 | Pancho Villa
ID: 29118157
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 09:13
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Biliruben, I served with Rotted Blackness, I knew Rotted Blackness, Rotted Blackness was a friend of mine. Biliruben, you're no Rotted Blackness!
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| 19 | Boldwin
ID: 43528308
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 10:15
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*Byrd monologue mode*
We come not to praise Robert Byrd, but to bury him. If we were back in Roman days, His body would be in the center of the Senate rotunda, almost buried in flowers. Soldiers would ceremoniously clash their swords against their shields. Soaring praises would raise him on pedestals, each grander than the previous. The itemized tributes extracted and hauled off to the mountains of West Virginia would be recounted well into the night. A choir of mourners would lament his passing drawing tears from the crowd and whipping them into a frenzy of grief. Members of the senate who had ever opposed him would slink off to the shadows...
*/Byrd monologue mode*
Liberals who would end the career of Jimmy the Greek and Trent Lott for the most innocuous of comments let that self-serving, self-glorifying pompous windbag and KKK recruiter stand in the senate and polish his image to gleeming bronze for fifty years.
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| 20 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 10:58
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Liberals who would end the career of Jimmy the Greek and Trent Lott
re-invent history much?
1. What on earth do liberals have to do with the end of Jimmy The Greek's career?? He said something silly, and by his own admission shouldn't have said it. Should he have been fired? That's not our call to make - but again, what do liberals have to do with his firing???
2. Liberals didn't end the career of Trent Lott, and the racially-insensitive statements you're referring to didn't end his run in the Senate - HE SERVED FOR ANOTHER HALF-DECADE after those statements.
Lott made his statements in 2002, and resigned from the Senate FIVE YEARS LATER to become a lobbyist.
and, if you want to be factual about it, it was Bill Frist who was responsible for Lott's resignation as Senate Republican Leader.
in fact, Lott also blamed President GW Bush, Colin Powell, and other GOP leaders. Lott referred to Bush having a "strategic plan" to replace him with Frist, and wrote in his 2006 autobiography "If Frist had not announced exactly when he did, as the fire was about to burn out, I would still be majority leader of the Senate today."
so keep re-inventing history. or lying. whichever term you prefer, Baldwin.
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| 21 | Boldwin
ID: 43528308
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 11:06
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We didn't start the fire.
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| 22 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 11:11
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perhaps. perhaps not.
but you seem more than thrilled to perpetuate lies and dishonesty. congrats on living your life that way.
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| 23 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 11:27
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It isn't about Lott. Of The Greek. It is about how each of us upholds our own morality in our own words.
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| 24 | Pancho Villa
ID: 29118157
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 12:50
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Liberals who would end the career of Jimmy the Greek and Trent Lott for the most innocuous of comments let that self-serving, self-glorifying pompous windbag and KKK recruiter stand in the senate and polish his image to gleeming bronze for fifty years.
Really, the voters of West Virginia would end the career of Jimmy the Greek and Trent Lott?
One would think that the Byrds and the Wallaces who did a 180 in terms of their position on race should be applauded instead of reminded of the prejudices they were taught growing up. Anyone who smugly throws the KKK recruiter reference out there certainly qualifies as a self-serving, self-glorifying pompous windbag.
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| 25 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 13:00
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A better example, I think, would be George Wallace, who came to realize the error of his ways and was embraced by the black community in the end. In fact, at the very end, it was pretty much just the black community offering him support.
Which party is it, then, who is "post racial" and which one is willing to move on and accept former enemies as friends?
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| 26 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 14:30
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We didn't start the fire.
and ya know what, i'll say it.
EVERY time you are caught in a lie - which these days, is fairly often - you come back with some silly, cryptic statement.
you don't give one bit of concern to being honest.
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| 32 | Mith
ID: 37540118
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 08:12
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We didn't start the fire.
By 'the fire' you refer to the public pressure of 'politically correct' speech, right? Depending on who 'we' is, I have a feeling you're way off.
People in show business have been subject to those kinds of rules since much further back than Jimmy the Greek. And however persecuted you believe he was, his ordeal didn't include a criminal record, unlike Lenny Bruce and Jim Morrison, for example.
I could be wrong but I'd bet research would show that until very recently the 'pc police' is something that has been dominantly run by social conservatives as far back as it existed.
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| 33 | Boldwin
ID: 563218
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 09:35
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By very recently you mean the 50's or 60's.
Yeah, it used to be that people were expected to be moral. [Call that PC policing if you will, or community standards, or stigmatization of immorality] Now public figures are hammered if they dare promote morality.
The forces of evil cloaked themselves in a few cheap virtues and insisted on the overthrow of all the others.
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| 34 | Boldwin
ID: 563218
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 09:42
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But as it applies in this thread, the fire is that which destroyed Jimmy the Greek and Trent Lott.
You can point to Lott blaming the right, and he's right of course that they should have stood up to the McCarthyism of the left...
But don't try selling me the idea that the right is responsible for the McCarthyism of the left.
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| 35 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 10:02
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No, the Right is responsible for it's own "McCarthyism." That's really the point. The Right is using their self-made myth of what the "left" does in order to justify its own bad behavior (or, worse, to project what would happen by people on the "left" should something similar happen to someone on the Right).
Nonsense. Grow a backbone. I'd suggest starting by making it Biblically-based. As if that book has any meaning for you.
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| 36 | Boldwin
ID: 563218
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 11:25
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In english please.
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| 37 | biliruben
ID: 16105237
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 11:33
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You first.
Not everyone understands the lingo of the sixties, ya dig my man?
Not supporting the (im)morality in the bible, but when every third word is something like Marxist and McCarthy, us 40 somethings have trouble groking.
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| 38 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 12:40
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You can point to Lott blaming the right, and he's right of course that they should have stood up to the McCarthyism of the left...
But don't try selling me the idea that the right is responsible for the McCarthyism of the left.
making up stuff doesn't make it true.
Lott's downfall was the political game at its finest. others in his own party so an opportunity to wrest power from him, and take it over for themselves, and that's EXACTLY what happened.
only a fool, a liar, or somebody who hasn't actually looked at what happened would believe otherwise.
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| 39 | Boldwin
ID: 563218
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 13:16
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Well Frist and Bush are not conservatives and the power elite are every bit machievelian enuff, but I rarely run into liberals who openly hold that Bush and Frist are such insiders and darlings of the media that they can rig the MSM to hold a media firestorm on their behalf.
Keep backing up into conspiracy theory land.
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| 40 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 14:07
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Keep backing up into conspiracy theory land.
what conspiracy land is that? Trent Lott's own beliefs that his own party did him in?
keep dodgin' the truth.
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| 41 | Boldwin
ID: 563218
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 14:39
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Next you'll be telling me Glenn Beck engineered Rush's MNF and Oxicontin problems.
No no, it's not the MSM, it's not the liberals, it's the conservatives.
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| 42 | Pancho Villa
ID: 29118157
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 15:43
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Rush engineered his own MNF and Oxicontin problems. Conservatives used to believe in personal responsibility. Today's conservative imposters are committed to blaming the MSM, liberals, RINOs or any other convenient target for their deficiencies.
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| 44 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 19:29
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Byrd lies in state. A striking photo.
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| 45 | Mith
ID: 37540118
Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 08:11
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#33
By very recently you mean the 50's or 60's.
Whatever date you want to put on it, your problem vboils down to the fact that people increasingly figured out that racially insensitive expressions are offensive and began reacting to them the same way they did other offensive/vulgar/immoral expressions.
it used to be that people were expected to be moral. [Call that PC policing if you will, or community standards, or stigmatization of immorality] Now public figures are hammered if they dare promote morality.
The further society is removed from the chasitity belt the more subjective the notion of morality becomes. You see nothing wrong with the hymen worshiper. The guy behind him finds interracial marriage immoral, something which was much more common than not in your parents' generation. I think you're both crazy.
You're a fool if you think there can ever be a consensus on a happy medium. You certainly won't find that blueprint in the Bible. At least I hope not; I neither want to marry nor kill either of my sisters.
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| 46 | Boldwin
ID: 42651210
Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 12:24
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You're a fool if you think there can ever be a consensus on a happy medium.
Oh, I don't for a minute. Ungodly men have ignored God's legitimate and true morality, and in the zeitgeist, replaced it with Satan's bizzaro excuse for one. Never the two shall meet. You are either for one or the other.
You certainly won't find that blueprint in the Bible.
What fellowship does light have with darkness? - the Bible
At least I hope not; I neither want to marry nor kill either of my sisters.
Strawman. You aren't really so dense as to believe the Bible recommends you do that. You are just throwing mud up against the Bible to see if it sticks.
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| 47 | DWetzel
ID: 278201415
Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 12:49
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Who had "zeitgeist" on their bingo card?
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| 48 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 13:00
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#46, I think, typifies the far Right these days: Using the Bible as as weapon, as an excuse to condone (and sometimes participate) in ass-like behavior.
Which just goes to show that the message of Jesus Christ has been entirely lost on these people.
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| 49 | Mith
ID: 37540118
Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 13:11
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You aren't really so dense as to believe the Bible recommends you do that.
To the person who affords passages the same regard for context as you do the Koran, the Bible recommends all sorts of really bizarre shite.
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| 50 | Boldwin
ID: 42651210
Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 14:02
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Like what?
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| 51 | bibA
ID: 50659215
Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 17:00
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Here are a few examples of what you may not consider particularly bizarre or cruel, but many would.
Exodus 31:12-15 - keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die
Isaiah 14:21 - Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants
Ezekiel 9:5-7 - Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told
Exodus 12:29-30 - And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died
Isaiah 13:15-18 - Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children
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| 52 | DWetzel
ID: 278201415
Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 17:27
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Perhaps more offensive to today's conservatives:
Leviticus 19:33-34 -
33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
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| 53 | Boldwin
ID: 40614413
Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 14:35
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Aliens were not handed equal status with Isrealites. Treated humanely but not handed equal status.
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| 54 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 15:29
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And, uh, not kicked out. Can't forget that little detail.
Happy 4th, everyone.
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| 55 | Boldwin
ID: 57646420
Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 22:01
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Guest workers who in principle couldn't own land...not a fast track to citizenship.
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| 56 | Mith
ID: 4435321
Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 22:39
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There's a biblical nuance for you.
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| 57 | Boldwin
ID: 256752
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 03:10
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You like nuance? I'll give you nuance.
The earliest mentioned aliens in Isreal are the Gibeonites who disguised themselves as distant travelers to escape the destruction God had decreed for the inhabitants of the promised land. At the time of the return from Babylonian captivity 600 years later they were still called Gibeonites, not Jews.
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