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Subject: Why not John Edwards? Posted by: CJ @ Work - [35104577] Wed, Feb 18, 2004, 15:43 Now some might have realized this, but for those that do not know..... I usually vote Republican. I have voted for Democrats in the past but after Clinton I was pretty discussed with most Democrats backing his behavior. I voted for Bush last time and will certainly do so again if Kerry is the Democratic Candidate. Of course there are things I am not pleased with in Bush and when I hear and see Edwards speak and the things he targets as topics I beleive he can be a positive thing for this country. I have even discussed with the wife that if either Bush or Edwards was president...I would feel okay about it. Kerry...NO WAY! I just feel as a Senator for almost 20 years he talks about all of these things WE need to do to Fix America and I sat there listening to his speech last night and when he was done I looked at the TV and said "This guy is full of crap". Kerry has been there for years and you just now have all of these grand ideas on how to fix it all? What the hell has he been doing all of these years....? Looks like voting in the wrong direction according to his stand on issues now. And how Dull that speech was last night! I mean I was watching Edwards and felt great about his showing in Wisconsin and was very anxious to hear him speak. And I loved that line about "Objects are closer in the Mirror than they appear". About 30 Seconds into his speech ALL networks cut to Kerry. What a downer. Gave me a great comparative / contrast to each of the candidates. Now I know this is just my thought but I was beside myself in how dull and redundant Kerry came off. He sounded so unbelievable. I though to the world "You have got to be kidding me if the Democratic Party feels this is the guy to become president". I just do not see him as our president. I know he is riding a high right now but I think when it comes down to it people will not see Kerry as Presidential. All of these exit polls showing the voting for Kerry is because they feel he has the best chance at beating Bush. What a great way to pick a guy for the Democratic Party. Sorry for the long post but I take my Hat off to Edwards and his relatively clean campaign. This is one Republican that would not mind to see John Edwards as President. And would probably vote for him. Not that my vote for Bush here in Michigan would do much anyways. | |||||||
| 1 | CJ @ Work ID: 35104577 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 09:13 | Looks like no one can answer why? And Like I said above....I just can not see voters come November look at Bush and then Kerry and vote for Kerry thinking...Yep I want change. This guy is far from change and I can not see him in the whitehouse. It just does not work! | ||||||
| 2 | Myboyjack ID: 108231015 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 09:33 |
Kerry making whistle-stop tour Kerry, friend of the common man is just not gonna fly. | ||||||
| 3 | CJ @ Work ID: 35104577 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 09:55 |
Oh man that does not make sense. Nice boat though. So he is going to tour the countryside in a boat? He better not go down US70 near Columbus OH standing out on the bow of the boat like that. It will be the last boat ride of his life. Put all partisan aside am looking at this guy with 19 years in the Senate and he is now for the little guy? Sure Bush, Edwards, and Kerry are Politicians, but of the three I least likely think Kerry has a shot at being Pres. I saw FOX ran a spot last night on Brit Hume's show where they showed Edwards and Kerry's homes, which are 4 blocks, or 4 houses apart in the nice Georgetown are. I can not get you the link for FOX is blocked web site here at work. But CNN isn't. Gheeze! Anyway these were like 3.2 mil home for Edwards and 4.6 or so for Kerry. Then Kerry had another on the otherside of town I think they said. Both pitching campaigns about the low income guy. I guess at least Edwards came from a poorer family. And sure Bush is not poor either, but his appearance on his ranch is far from the uptown look and that expensive boat Kerry is going to ride into Super Tuesday. | ||||||
| 4 | Perm Dude Dude ID: 30792616 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 09:56 | It's a parody, CJ. | ||||||
| 5 | CJ @ Work ID: 35104577 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 10:14 |
Oh my God I can not beleive I fell for that one. I just though is this guys nuts! Thansk PD | ||||||
| 6 | CJ @ Work ID: 35104577 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 10:24 |
2 Myboyjack I hope you knew this as well. Hey Tree what do you think about Edwards over Kerry? | ||||||
| 7 | Tree Donor ID: 599393013 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 10:48 |
what do i think? i think it's hard to say - Kerry is a bonesman, and admittedly not overly different from Bush, but different enough in that i don't think he'll be the absolute disaster for this country that Bush has been. Edwards is a self-made millionaire, done by ambulance chasing, and is very photogenic. he's also relatively a washington outsider and a political novice, but i don't know well enough to know if would be equiped to run the whole show. once again, i'll point out that last summer i said i thought the best chance the Democrats had to oust Herr Bush would be a Kerry/Edwards ticket, and i'll maintain that belief. | ||||||
| 8 | CJ @ Work ID: 35104577 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 10:53 | Thanks for going out on a limb with the Kerry/Edwards ticket. You are right though Kerry with no edwards....won't get it done! | ||||||
| 9 | Madman Donor ID: 398591212 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 10:55 |
This is an interesting phenomenon. Edwards has run a mostly clean and above-board campaign, and that keeps the door open to party swing votes. But when you look behind the rhetoric, what do you see? That's not a rhetorical question ... I just don't know. I think he's been given a relative "free pass" so far. Speaking from my areas of expertise, I think Edwards is the worst of the three candidates (health care). But I work for the insurance industry and that very fact likely impeaches my credibility. Both Edwards and Bush support the Association Health Plan concept that I view as a thinly veiled attack on state insurance regulatory bodies. It's a way for the big national insurance carriers to circumvent state laws, no more, no less. Aaargh. Could go on. I'll leave it at that. Lots of nice sounds rhetoric, a pretty face, but I don't think he's faced the fire like Bush or Kerry have, so you don't see his warts. | ||||||
| 10 | Deadeyes ID: 51137210 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 11:33 | ...because he is a commy like most democrats. that's why. | ||||||
| 11 | chizz1 Donor ID: 559462523 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 11:46 |
I just got back from Edwards' speech at Columbia University morning and after seeing him speak, I think it would be a big mistake for Dems to line up blindly behind Kerry. Edwards is the perfect storm of political candiates. He has the personal story, personality and policy goals that make him attractive to not only Dems, but independents and repubs as well. As to the complain that he is not specific enough with policy ideas, I recommend anyone who is interested go to his website and download the 65 page policy outline he has made available. I honestly don't know enough about healthcare to respond to Madman's post, but on the issues I am more informed about, I have been very impressed with Edwards' stance. In addition, the fact that Edwards hasn't "faced the fire" like Kerry or Bush gives him a strategic advantage (to some degree) because it gives the other side less point to as mistakes he's made over the years (Repubs will have a field day with Kerry's record). In contrast, I have grown to like Kerry less and less. The "Frankencandidate" can make Gore look exciting and I just don't trust that he wholeheartedly believes his own rhetoric. Don't get me wrong, I'd vote for Kerry over Bush in a split second, but I wouldn't be excitied about it. I have never gone to see a candidate speak or given to a campaign before, but I feel so strongly that Dems are missing the boat by allowing Kerry to win the nomination so easily. Why do people vote for Kerry based on "electability" when the signs of electability (who the independents and republicans have voted for) favor Edwards so much. I just don't get it. | ||||||
| 12 | Deadeyes ID: 51137210 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 13:53 | because kerry has had the bigger name and people like winners. Edwards came in as a big underdog no matter what his credentials are and what is motives or plans are. People are fickle, that's why you can't make politics your life... In the end it doesnt matter all that much. In fact, most people who vote have no issues and have no idea what is going on. I feel kerry is a bigger socialist than edwards, so i want edwards to take him. | ||||||
| 13 | Perm Dude Dude ID: 30792616 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 14:06 |
I like Edwards better than Kerry, but (like conservatives in 2000) I'd rather back a winner from my party rather than squander the chance to take back the White House by dallying with someone else at this point. pd | ||||||
| 14 | chizz1 Donor ID: 559462523 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 14:35 |
PD - I would also rather back a winner from my party than squander a chance to take back the White House. I'm in the ABB camp as much as anyone else. But, I think Edwards is the obvious choice to be the best candidate to take on Bush. Do you disagree that he's a better candidate or do you just think its too late so we have to settle for Frankencandidate? | ||||||
| 15 | Deadeyes ID: 51137210 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 14:37 | Point proved... that's why this country is falling apart. too many fickle people trying to pick the winner rather than the better candidate. Get a back bone. | ||||||
| 16 | Perm Dude Dude ID: 30792616 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 14:38 |
I think it's too late at this point. I thought either Clark or Edwards would win the middle and take the nomination, but they split votes and Kerry filled the self-fulfilled Dean void. | ||||||
| 17 | Madman Donor ID: 398591212 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 14:42 |
I should clarify that I think Edwards would be a formidable candidate. I predict election winners based upon one issue, and one issue alone ... likeability. George W. was more likeable than Gore. Clinton was more likeable than GWBI or Dole. GWBI and Dukakis were both not very personable, but GWBI was taller, and you had a carry-over effect from Reagan. Reagan was more likeable than Mondale. Reagan was marginally more likeable than Carter ... more optimistic and uplifting. Carter and Ford were close, but Ford was tainted by Nixon. And there my story ends. I can't explain Nixon. But back to the story ... GWBII destroys Kerry, but GWBII v. Edwards ... now that's a race. And, I should note that this likeability factor isn't really about being unlikable because of policies you have pursued or whatnot. The Iraq war counts with GWBII, but it's not huge. It's more about seeming personable and not too ivory-tower academic or snobbish. | ||||||
| 18 | James K Polk ID: 51010719 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:00 |
I soooo completely agree with you, Madman. Well, not necessarily about Bush being that much more likeable than Kerry, but on everything else. Here's an interesting piece from William Saletan on Edwards. Among independents in the exit-polled states, Kerry has beaten Edwards in six contests; Edwards has beaten Kerry in four. This month, the candidates are tied with four wins apiece. Since Feb. 10, Edwards has won two primaries to Kerry's one. | ||||||
| 19 | Deadeyes ID: 51137210 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:10 | It's ridiculous to think that democrats need to regain the office. Bush in my opinion is already a democrat, he's destroyed the republicans faith in republican. He's a joke. Bush is the not the anti-democrat, he is the democrat. | ||||||
| 20 | Deadeyes ID: 51137210 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:11 | Bush happens to be the biggest hypocrite i have ever seen. He has done nothing as a president for the conservative party. He's a joke. | ||||||
| 21 | Deadeyes ID: 51137210 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:13 | In fact i should have known not to of voted for him when he used his somewhat fluench of spanish as a way to gain minority votes. He's nothing but people pleaser. He did more for the donkeys than he did for anyone else. | ||||||
| 22 | Baldwin ID: 560191911 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:14 | He's a neocon in conservative clothing, Deadeye. | ||||||
| 23 | Deadeyes ID: 51137210 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:18 |
I just found out he sent troops down to haiti to die for no reason. OH i am so sick of Bush.. I cannot stand him.... Is this a political move to get the black vote? is this a sick joke. Haiti?? Let them kill each other. WHat is goign on here? | ||||||
| 24 | yankeeh8tr ID: 101011720 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:27 | Question for deadeyes - did you support our incursion into Iraq? And if so, why not our buttinski in Haiti? | ||||||
| 25 | Deadeyes ID: 51137210 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:29 |
Hey, i know what i am going to do from now on. I am goign to be president and offer lots of free stuff and become the new kind of republican.. I will give everyone on rotoguru a free pass in life. I want to give you guys who play fantasy sports a check each month because i know you are addicted and neglecting your children and your friends. It's burning your brains. How does an extra 500 a month sound to you. I feel your pain. Vote Deadeye 2016. | ||||||
| 26 | Deadeyes ID: 51137210 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:31 | Hey yankee. Are you saying there is no difference in conflicts. all are conflicts the same. Did haiti kill our people and terrorize our country? Does the US get oil from them? No wait haiti gives us lots of neat things like ummm.... somethign maybe a rock or two. I heard there are some fights with the eskimos up north from here. let's send our troops to get killed okay. Let's save the world from violence and kill ourselves trying. | ||||||
| 27 | Tree Donor ID: 599393013 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:35 |
Did haiti kill our people and terrorize our country? did Iraq? | ||||||
| 28 | Deadeyes ID: 51137210 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:36 | Conversation is over.. I cannot help you. | ||||||
| 29 | Tree Donor ID: 599393013 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:45 |
thank you deadeyes, please drive through... still, apparently we're going to Haiti... | ||||||
| 30 | Perm Dude Dude ID: 30792616 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 15:51 |
Mr. P, in open primary states, independents and Republicans can vote in Democratic primaries and therefore affect the outcomes. That's how Sharpton got so many votes in South Carolina (a protest by Republicans regarding the "loyalty oath"). My thought is that many non-party members are more likely to vote for the underdog (either to mess with the system or whatever); whether such open primary success can translate into general election success I don't know. But, if it gets Edwards the nod, I'm all for it. pd | ||||||
| 31 | chizz1 Donor ID: 559462523 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 16:02 |
PD - the only reason it's arguably too late is because think it's too late. If Edwards wins Idaho and Utah (both states are relatively conservative so he should have a fighting chance) he will garner some serious momentum going into Super Tuesday. There is also much speculation that Dean will endorse Edwards, giving him an immediate boost in cash and support. If this momentum helps Edwards win in Ohio, Georgia and Maryland and have a good showing in NY, we will have a serious race on our hands b/c on March 9 Texas, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi vote - all of which could go for Edwards. I know this is an unlikely scenario, but it wouldn't be so unlikely if people voted for who they thought the best candidate is instead of who they are told is the frontrunner. I guess I'm still giddy from hearing Edwards speak at Columbia this morning. | ||||||
| 32 | katietx ID: 37002410 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 16:04 |
Read the following deadeyes: TROLL< TROLL< TROLL< TROLL | ||||||
| 33 | Madman Donor ID: 398591212 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 16:42 |
Heard Kerry and Edwards this morning on trade (NPR). Sad. Kerry told the truth, plain and simple, Edwards demagogued. Edwards won the issue, however. Kerry said that there wasn't a lot the President could do (true), and that given what the President could do, there wasn't any difference between himself and Edwards (possibly true; its speculation, but reasonable). Edwards simply said he'd fight jobs moving overseas. Edwards is dangerous and perhaps smart enough to know that his statements are hollow, but it's always sad to see a candidate gain traction by misleading oversimplification. (here we go ... flames from the Left arguing that this is exactly what Bush does all the time! :) ) | ||||||
| 34 | James K Polk ID: 51010719 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 16:43 | AFL-CIO endorses Kerry | ||||||
| 35 | Madman Donor ID: 398591212 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 16:48 | JKP -- Actually, I respect that. Seriously. Good to see they didn't fall for pure rhetoric, although I am optimistically pretending that this wasn't about 'electability'. | ||||||
| 36 | Jazz Dreamers ID: 31813510 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 19:32 |
I think that Edwards is more style than substance, but he's also running from a position of desparation. He has to come up with a reason for voters to choose him over Kerry in large numbers, and there really aren't that many good ones. Part of me is intrigued by Edwards because he is more defined by his optomism than his issues -- if he brings that optomism along with a realistic and moderate view of how to achieve it, he could become a great President. On the other hand, he could try to push some ridiculous policies (e.g. limit trade) and all the optomism in the world can't turn bad policy into good. I noticed that on MSNBC.com's poll that Kerry and Edwards are running neck-and-neck. This is a big swing from when Kerry had a ~15-20% lead last week. Obviously this isn't a scientific poll and it is skewed toward those who are aware of what's going on (which is a minority segment of all voters). But I believe that Edwards will win Ohio, Georgia, and one of New York or California. He'll still trail by a lot of delegates, but I think it will become a race. Kerry simply doesn't have enough hardcore support right now to close this out with ease. (Of course, all this could change based on a Dean endorsement, or a campaign flub, or whether the media plays up SuperTuesday as a potential Edwards charge or as a potential Kerry coronation.) | ||||||
| 37 | Jake ID: 51351918 Thu, Feb 19, 2004, 19:58 | EDWARDS WINS AMONG INDEPENDENTS!!! This is all that matters if we want to beat Bush... the democrats will absolutely vote for the dem. candidate. We need independents!! They don't like Kerry! | ||||||
| 38 | CJ ID: 28001522 Fri, Feb 20, 2004, 07:42 | And the South...who in my mind will NOT be voting for Kerry. Especially those NASCAR Dads. | ||||||
| 39 | chizz1 Donor ID: 559462523 Fri, Feb 20, 2004, 16:33 |
According to Drudge (so it must be true) Kerry and Edwards will appear together on George Stephanopoulos' show on Sunday. Edwards also sent a letter to Kerry, asking him to compete in 4 debates before Super Tuesday and is circulating a petition to back up this invitation. Maybe some one-on-one time in front of the American people will make people realize who is actually more electable. | ||||||
| 40 | Baldwin ID: 560191911 Fri, Feb 20, 2004, 18:59 |
Democrat presidential candidate John Edwards will debate rival John Forbes Kerry as soon as an opponent can be found, according to a spokesman from the Democrat National Committee (DNC). | ||||||
| 41 | CJ ID: 28001522 Fri, Feb 20, 2004, 22:54 |
39 chizz1 I agree with you on that. 40 Baldwin Dude you know that is the DNC spining this so that people will just vote Kerry and they can end this and move on to Bush! Sorry I think the simple fact they are trying to spin this is they know if Edwards gets too much traction it could be the biggest comeback of all time. | ||||||
| 42 | Baldwin ID: 560191911 Fri, Feb 20, 2004, 23:34 |
CJ Well no, actually Scrappleface tends rightwing. | ||||||
| 43 | CJ ID: 28001522 Mon, Feb 23, 2004, 01:02 | He was in the Clinton Admin wasn't he? | ||||||
| 44 | Baldwin ID: 560191911 Mon, Feb 23, 2004, 01:06 | I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Off the top of my head he is only recently a congressman having replaced Fairchild a term or two ago. Almost certain he hasn't been anywhere but in congress and a trial lawyer before that. | ||||||
| 45 | nerveclinic ID: 38145910 Mon, Feb 23, 2004, 02:17 |
Why not John Edwards? I couldn't take that voice for the next 4 years. | ||||||
| 46 | CJ@Work ID: 35104577 Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 10:28 | LOL But you want to listen to Laughable Kerry? C'mon nc get a grip man! Kerry makes GORE look exciting. | ||||||
| 47 | CJ@Work ID: 35104577 Thu, Feb 26, 2004, 10:54 | I still cannot beleive that Utah went for Kerry. I would love to see a sate wide vote on the candidates. Still Kerry keeps rolling and it looks like a terrible chance for edwards to give the coutry a new breath of fresh air. | ||||||
| 48 | James K Polk ID: 51010719 Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 21:19 | Edwards is out | ||||||
| 49 | nerveclinic ID: 34757310 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 03:26 |
I guess this is an appropriate thread for THIS Frickin' hilarious | ||||||
| 50 | Baldwin ID: 11952193 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 06:38 |
Not fair perhaps, but frickin' hilarious indeed. 8] The compact crack was over the top in that the camera demands makeup. I wonder how much hairtime the rest of them get during prep. I thot nothing could beat 'the psychic ambulence chaser' but 'the Breck Girl' is a close second. | ||||||
| 51 | Myboyjack ID: 06141920 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 07:03 | heh. | ||||||
| 52 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 4494554 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 07:23 | It is funny. But in fairness I watch people get made up before they go on camera all the time and I'd say that if anything that was actually a pretty quick application. Of course she told him to close his eyes for hair spray but it is funny to see him do it. | ||||||
| 53 | Perm Dude ID: 2343587 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 10:06 |
Funny, indeed. The eye closing was hilarious (no doubt she told him to, but it's funny sans sound). I think it's important to note, however, that the hair does, actually, look better in the end. For all those "ends justifies the means" Bushies out there, this video is compelling.... | ||||||
| 54 | nerveclinic ID: 34757310 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 11:19 | Not Fair? It's exactly what Michael Moore did during fairenhiet 9/11 and I cracked up then, might as well give equal time. | ||||||
| 55 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 2824911 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 11:22 |
I wouldn't call it unfair. Funny is funny and I don't think anyone intends the Edwards clip to imply anything more than that. But these clips are cheap shots. | ||||||
| 56 | Myboyjack ID: 1474368 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 11:49 | MITH right of course. I'd hate to see what a camera would catch me doing if it followed me around all day like it does these candidates. i still ROFLMAO though. | ||||||
| 57 | nerveclinic ID: 88592016 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 19:01 | I have to say the clip of Edwards is as funny as any of the clips Moore had. | ||||||
| 58 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 4494554 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 19:09 | Oh I wouldn't agree with that at all. Wolfie smearing gob after gob of his and that producer's saliva into his hair to get it to stay down was priceless. Edwards' was no different from every single person that gets made up for a TV live shot. I've never seen a display like Wolfowitz'. | ||||||
| 59 | sarge33rd ID: 599381710 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 20:21 | ever seen a news anchor getting ready? powdered, spritzed, etc etc etc. Nothing different there vs what any other on-air personality is doing on a daily basis. | ||||||
| 60 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 2824911 Wed, Oct 20, 2004, 12:01 |
FOXNC just teased their report on how Edwards deals with a bad hair day with the video Nerve linked in this thread. | ||||||
| 61 | Seattle Zen ID: 1410391215 Wed, Mar 10, 2010, 17:31 |
I'm rather surprised that there was not much discussion of the multiple bombshells that blew up regarding a certain future prospective POTUS with nice hair. Got a chief aide? Don't abandon him for your mistress. If you didn't see the 20/20 piece on this new book The Politician, here's what happened. When the press got wind of the affair with Riele, Edwards asked his chief of staff Young, who is married, to claim that he was the father, then had wealthy benefactors pay the Young family to keep Riele's pregnant body hidden by living in mansions here and there. Massive campaign finance fraud. It's so ridiculous, it's hard to believe that Edwards ever thought he could get away with it. Prime example of just how far people will go in an effort to become President. John Edwards lied and then lied some more. Andrew Young and his wife are horrible people for agreeing to go along with this stupid plan. They were morally obligated to come forward, not contribute to this charade, and I'm glad that he can't find a job. I'm embarrassed that I once supported Edwards. He certainly campaigned on the issues I support, personally, however, he has some horrible decision making skills. | ||||||
| 62 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 10:13 |
Elizabeth Edwards cut John out of her will. A final FU to a lying liar. | ||||||
| 63 | nerveclinic ID: 01154411 Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 07:56 |
PD why is it a FU or even noteworthy? He has all the money he needs. They were separated therefore estranged. Doesn't it make sense she would leave her money to her children? I'm not really sure why this is news. | ||||||
| 64 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 13:45 | He was still married to her, nerve. | ||||||
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