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Subject: Mubarak is gone Posted by: nerveclinic - [280482817] Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 11:20 The crowds are electric. Don't let the door hit you on the way out swine. | |||||||
| 1 | Farn Leader ID: 451044109 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 11:24 |
I am really stunned. I thought for sure he'd ride it out until September, or at least for a while longer after last night's movement. Good luck to the Egyptian people. I hope they can establish a government they worked so hard to get. | ||||||
| 2 | Seattle Zen Leader ID: 055343019 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 11:24 |
 Great news. | ||||||
| 3 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 11:24 | So, we should expect the Muslim Brotherhood to be in charge of Egypt by the end of the day, and the worldwide caliphate established by the end of the month? | ||||||
| 4 | Tree, not at home ID: 3910441615 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 11:43 |
subheadline: American conservatives search for the next thing to blame on Obama, regardless of his involvement or relationship. tomorrow's headline on WND: Communists Still Exist; Obama at Fault! | ||||||
| 5 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 12:19 | Yesterday Jerry Sloan. Today Hosni Mubarak. I can't keep up! | ||||||
| 6 | Tree, not at home ID: 3910441615 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 12:20 |
reposted from a friend of mine's facebook status update: How wonderful for Egypt (and the world)! If it's true that Mubarak is gone, the most populous Arab nation just refuted Osama bin Laden's violent ideology. The protesters also demonstrated how ridiculous the American right is when they claim the 2nd Amendment is a critical safeguard against government tyranny. | ||||||
| 7 | nerveclinic ID: 280482817 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 16:03 |
Tree one of Hitlers first acts was to disarm the German people. Do you really believe the Jews would have marched willingly to the concentration camps if armed? The Jews in Germany were lucky they lived under a dictatorship that disarmed the people? Let me guess, that was different, can't happen in today. LOL And if you want to explain to people they can have their revolution without arms, explain it to the Iranians, where a majority would love to overthrow that swine in power. Unfortunately the ones who are caught are being hung. The Iranian government has guns, the people there who want the same thing as the Egyptians are not allowed to carry arms. Wake up Tree. The king doesn't want the peasant to have arms. You and I are the peasants. I am all for gun control, hold the gun steady when you aim. And Egypt is isn't through yet, remains to be seen what they end up with. God Speed Egypt. | ||||||
| 8 | nerveclinic ID: 280482817 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 16:08 |
Pancho I don't understand your post at all. This isn't about the Muslim brotherhood. This is an oppressed people saying enough. They have lived under a 30 year dictatorship. They have lived under torture. Mubarak just takes all the money for his friends and screws the people. Any dissent is brutally repressed. The Muslim brotherhood just walked into the room when the goose laid the golden egg. They didn't start this, the events in Tunisia were the main catalyst. | ||||||
| 9 | nerveclinic ID: 280482817 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 16:16 |
The protesters also demonstrated how ridiculous the American right is when they claim the 2nd Amendment is a critical safeguard against government tyranny. It's not just the American right. I know plenty of people on the left who understand it is not good for the masses when only people with guns are: George Bushes Army, or Hitlers, or Ahmadinejad's, or the death squads in El Salvador, or Pol Pot in Cambodia. An unarmed populace are lambs waiting for the slaughter. If you want the same set up as your brethren in Germany in the 30's move to Europe. I've heard the Jews in Israel are armed though, no? | ||||||
| 10 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 16:36 |
Tongue in cheek, nerve, my friend. | ||||||
| 11 | nerveclinic ID: 280482817 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 16:45 |
Pancho with me apparently you have to wink also. :) | ||||||
| 12 | Tree ID: 320371412 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 18:59 |
Tree one of Hitlers first acts was to disarm the German people. i never suggested disarming the people. i just think the things the right hangs their hats on in regards to the right to bear arms is silly. i've stated in no uncertain terms i believe in the right to own a gun. i just think there needs to be more serious restrictions in place, not the jokes that we currently have. | ||||||
| 13 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 20:53 | At CPAC, same as it ever was, it seems. | ||||||
| 14 | Boldwin ID: 91281121 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 22:37 |
PD Geller is spot on and you will have to eat your words. | ||||||
| 15 | Boldwin ID: 91281121 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 22:43 |
So, we should expect the Muslim Brotherhood to be in charge of Egypt by the end of the day, and the worldwide caliphate established by the end of the month? - PV No, sometimes the monster is so arrogant and sure of his prize that he takes his time uncoiling like the monster in the last scene in Alien [#1]. Or the MB going thru the motions of an election when they don't have a democratic bone in their bodies. Or Gramscian marxists with their slow walk thru the institutions. | ||||||
| 16 | Boldwin ID: 91281121 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 23:02 |
The left, licking their wounds after their last attempt at revolution in a muslim country. The left in Iran:As time went on, the left compounded one mistake with another.They think they learn from history but they really don't. | ||||||
| 17 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 23:39 |
Geller is spot on and you will have to eat your words. When, exactly? Give me a timeline after which one of us will have to publicly apologize for being wrong. Put up or shut up. | ||||||
| 18 | Boldwin ID: 91281121 Sat, Feb 12, 2011, 00:00 |
Retrieved from the memory hole: When the Ayatollah Khomeini returned from exile, his first government was a secular one. - WSJ And the MB have been forced to act as if it could co-exist in a secular society. | ||||||
| 19 | Boldwin ID: 91281121 Sat, Feb 12, 2011, 00:01 |
Things that make you go..."hmmmmm": The Shah of Iran was also forced out on February 11. What do you think about that, Nerve? | ||||||
| 20 | Boldwin ID: 91281121 Sat, Feb 12, 2011, 00:03 |
PD About the same amount of time it took Khomeini to go from a secular democracy to a religious totalitarian one. | ||||||
| 21 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Sat, Feb 12, 2011, 00:57 |
Is there anything positive you can take away from events in Egypt the last two weeks, Baldy? Is the only possibility for Egypt the secular fascism of Mubarak or the theological fascism of the Muslim Brotherhood? Is it entirely possible that Egypt in 2011 is not Iran in 1979; that there's no charismatic Islamic leader waiting in the wings to receive a hero's return; that there's no anti-American sentiment dominating the demonstrators' rhetoric; that the Egyptian Army didn't react like Tianemen Square; that an Arab country is capable of creating a representative government that is admired worldwide? I fail to see the humanity in hoping for the worst possible outcome for Egyptians. | ||||||
| 22 | nerveclinic ID: 280482817 Sat, Feb 12, 2011, 05:27 |
What do I think? I think we should stop supporting dictators who torture their people. Then we wouldn't be left scratching our heads when the people revolt. While in hind site he is probably preferable to the current regime there now, the Shah had the same baggage. Then there's Hussain, you've documented his atrocities well enough, but then the CIA helped place him in power. If what your are suggesting does happen, an extremist Muslim based government like the one in Iran (Which I've heard no informed person suggest) it will be "effect" not "cause". This wasn't about a "Muslim" revolution. It is people who are poor, watching the fat cat give all the money to his cronies while they starve who finally had enough when they saw what happened in Tunisia. The Muslim brotherhood is stepping in after the fact to try and fill a vacuum. How well they succeed and what government the Egyptian people are left with remains to be seen. Early accounts also claim the Muslim brotherhood are not far right extremists like Iran. As Americans, aren't we all all excited when we see a nation over-throw a 30 year dictator with a well known reputation for using police to imprison and torture political dissidents. (A fact not argued I might add, only attempts to justify) Those are supposedly American ideals. (oh I forgot, unless the dictator is our boy) That's what I think Baldy. | ||||||
| 23 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Sat, Feb 12, 2011, 09:20 |
#20: So you think it is an immediate thing? so that we can now declare me the winner? I;'d suggest casting about, then rejecting as inappropriate, as many Middle Easter analogies as possible before posting another. | ||||||
| 24 | Nerveclinic ID: 29123923 Sat, Feb 12, 2011, 13:06 |
And Baldwin let me also clarify. I whole heartily agree the final outcome here could be a bad one. I have no rose colored glasses, and always the cynic I generally expect the worst. I can separate the event that just took place as a good thing, and wait anxiously to see what happens and judge that separately. Just because I might not like the final out come, does not mean I shouldn't be pleased that the Egyptians took history into their hands and forced out a tyrant. Just because the out come doesn't fit my mold of what I want, doesn't mean I have to tell the Egyptians to keep living with a dictator who imprisons and sometimes tortures political dissenters. Americans wouldn't stand for the likes of Mubarak as our leader. In deed if he was left wing you would be jumping on your chair doing a jig. Let's hope for the best, and prepare for the worst. | ||||||
| 25 | Action Figure ID: 511112193 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 06:18 |
Don't let the door hit you on the way out swine. Looks like you've got a new neighbor | ||||||
| 26 | Nerveclinic ID: 29123923 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 09:26 |
"Looks like you've got a new neighbor" Let me guess he moved to Dubai? | ||||||
| 27 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 09:45 |
[whispers: "The calls are coming from inside the house!"} Actually, I've read a few things about where he is going, and it is a closely held secret, but Al-Arabiya is reporting a lot of whispers about the UAE offering him exile in Al Ain. | ||||||
| 28 | Boldwin ID: 191531310 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 12:12 |
Nerve An American having benefited from the American Revolution, praising the Egyptian Revolution while knowing it will probably end badly is like... ...a skydiver admiring a jump from the Golden Gate Bridge without a parachute. | ||||||
| 29 | Boldwin ID: 191531310 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 12:14 |
PD#23 - #20: So you think it is an immediate thing? so that we can now declare me the winner? I;'d suggest casting about... I'd suggest you read the linked piece in #18...however just looking at the title will suffice to expose how silly #23 is. | ||||||
| 30 | Boldwin ID: 191531310 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 12:36 |
I was fully expecting Obama to continue the wars in Iraq and Afganistan when he took office... I was taken a bit by surprise when the same people who didn't trust the soldiers who identified the people in Gitmo...did trust a Terminator movie's worth of robot flying armanda filling the Pak sky...to identify and actually kill the same sorts of people ever since. What blows my socks off however is that the same people who fought tooth and nail the neocon's daydream game plan to democratize the muslim world have now signed their names to THE PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY at the drop of an MSM hat. | ||||||
| 31 | Boldwin ID: 191531310 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 12:51 | Say Hi to Richard Perle for me when you see him at the party. | ||||||
| 32 | Nerveclinic ID: 29123923 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 13:40 |
Baldwin I told my friends before he was elected that Obama was working for the same people and would continue the wars. I mocked my friends who voted for him because Bush was such a war monger. You aren't the only one with a crystal ball. | ||||||
| 33 | Nerveclinic ID: 29123923 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 13:56 |
Al Ain??? That's like sending to the hot version of Siberia, it's a little nothing town in the middle of a desert. | ||||||
| 34 | Action Figure ID: 58152100 Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 13:22 |
"it's a little nothing town in the middle of a desert." So was Las Vegas 60 years ago | ||||||
| 35 | Boldwin ID: 53147264 Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 07:50 |
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. ~ John Adams | ||||||
| 36 | Building 7 Leader ID: 171572711 Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 08:06 |
What if Mubarek is pulling an Earl Weaver, and running the show from his new location. How do we know he isn't? | ||||||
| 37 | Nerveclinic ID: 29123923 Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 21:10 |
Baldwin #35 what a completely disjointed post. I don't even understand the context. What has even changed so far in Eygpt, the only thing is Mubarak is gone. The military is still in power. They were in power when he was there. The you ask a series of questions, implying something, but don't answer them. Which is not surprising because I don't think they are answerable at this point in time. * Do we see a positive or negative change in the way Egypt deals with the U.S.? We've seen nothing different the military is essentially still in charge as before. * Do we see a positive or negative change in the way Egypt deals with Israel? Nothing has changed * Do we see an Egyptian politician outwardly expressing Islamic extremist rhetoric? Of course we see extremists everywhere including the USA, Christian extremists burning Korans is a perfect example . * Do we see human-rights violations go up or down? Likely the same since the same military are still in charge but I haven't read anything new. If so it's pathetic since Mubarek regularly detained and tortured political opponents. * Is the government decreasing or increasing the rights of women? No Change same government. * Is the government decreasing or increasing the rights of religious minorities? No change it's the same government. This could all change but at the moment we are in wait and see mode and protests are continuing on Fridays because the people haven't see any promised changes yet. Attack windmills much? | ||||||
| 38 | DWetzel ID: 31111810 Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 21:13 | To be fair, he was just regurgitating someone else's poorly written, disjointed thoughts. | ||||||
| 39 | Boldwin ID: 311532716 Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 22:54 |
Nerve The foot is now off the neck of the MB and things now shift in their predictable direction no matter how gradually the military allows it or international pressure speeds it up. | ||||||
| 40 | Boldwin ID: 35615181 Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 18:30 | Interviewing the most atypical westernized Egyptians still yields insights. | ||||||
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