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Subject: The Real Herman Cain Posted by: Boldwin - [35615181] Sun, Oct 16, 2011, 09:58 Why the left fears Herman Cain: Surging candidate threatens allegiance between blacks and Dems - NYDN You see, talking about cutting government spending and lowering taxes to create jobs is one thing. Talking about personal responsibility over pocketing a government check, looking forward instead of backwards and choosing entrepreneurship over dependence is another. If the left co-opted the latter theme, blacks - and, in fact, many others - would be better off. Then again, West and Sharpton would suddenly become irrelevant.Take that, OW. | |||||||
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| 286 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 16:31 |
Do you really think any Tea Partier is gonna recoil when someone like you disparages their candidate? How about someone like the founder of Tea Party Nation? The founder of the Tea Party Nation, Judson Phillips, once supported Herman Cain. Phillips thought Cain was the guy to take the Republican Tea Party to the next level. “I was wrong about Herman Cain...I said originally that Cain could stay on message better than almost any other candidate. His 9-9-9 plan was all he would talk about and I attributed that to good messaging on his part. I was wrong. Herman Cain needs to leave the race because he is not qualified to be President. The video is painful to watch. It is obvious Cain is in over his head and simply clueless." - Judson Phillips I never really understood why Cain, the former Federal Reserve executive, qualified as a tea party candidate" anyway. You'd think Michelle Bachmann, head of the House tea party caucus, would have filled that roll. Ron Paul has the longest and most consistent record as a small government, limited spending politician among all the candidates. It seems to me there really is no "tea party candidate" because there really isn't any consensus as to what the tea party is or what it stands for, having been hijacked early in its origins by the far right as soon as they saw it getting some traction. Mitt Romney should qualify as a tea party candidate just as much as Cain; maybe he will now that Cain is toast. | ||||||
| 287 | Boldwin ID: 4610421717 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 18:52 |
Fascinating. Do go on about how Mitt makes a great Tea Party candidate. Not even in my wildest, most creative moment could I imagine a rationalization for that. | ||||||
| 288 | sarge33rd ID: 2510121712 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 19:07 | Stick a fork in it B. Cain is done. And whether or not YOU can "see it", is irrelevant. YOU, are not representative of anything but extremism. | ||||||
| 289 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 19:25 |
Not even in my wildest, most creative moment could I imagine a rationalization for that. Frankly, who cares what you think? We're all morons in your eyes, incapable of ever attaining your level of enlightened political supremacy. | ||||||
| 290 | Boldwin ID: 4610421717 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 19:27 | If you can make Mitt a Tea Party candidate, I'll call you Picaso and I'm dying to see it. But I didn't say I'd paint you right. | ||||||
| 291 | sarge33rd ID: 2510121712 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 20:07 | Picaso didnt exactly paint things "right" | ||||||
| 292 | Perm Dude ID: 39961218 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 22:10 | He doesn't have to be a Tea Party candidate. He just has to be a GOP one. | ||||||
| 293 | sarge33rd ID: 2510121712 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 22:11 | Wonder when/if B is gonna realize, he has marginalized himself. | ||||||
| 294 | DWetzel ID: 31111810 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 23:04 |
He'll never stop launching watermelons at his enemies. like this, of course | ||||||
| 295 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 23:08 |
There is no tea party candidate, just like there's no Occupy Wall Street and similiar Occupy movements. Most of the people who started the Occupy movements have been overwhelmed by bandwagon losers looking for a party in the park, just like the tea party lost it's way when bandwagoneers like Boldwin decided it was a perfect vehicle for his radical brand. If there is a strong tea party movement, Michelle Bachmann wouldn't be floundering in single digits, while Cain, Perry and Gingrich take turns claiming the mantle. So talk of tea party candidates and Occupy Wall Street movements begin to fall on deaf ears with the 99% until they are but a whisper. | ||||||
| 296 | Boldwin ID: 111025184 Fri, Nov 18, 2011, 06:32 |
If there is a strong tea party movement, Michelle Bachmann wouldn't be floundering in single digits If there wasn't a strong tea party all Mitt's tremendous money and organizational advantage would have picked up steam and gained traction. Bachmann's troubles are a charisma deficit and the media's persistent marginalization. I wonder how CBS plans on limiting her to less than two minutes debate time when and if the only one debating her is Obama? | ||||||
| 297 | Boldwin ID: 111025184 Fri, Nov 18, 2011, 09:07 |
If only the Tea Party Candidates were flawless silver tongued orators. Then I'd be happy. | ||||||
| 298 | Perm Dude ID: 39961218 Fri, Nov 18, 2011, 10:37 |
So the proof that the Tea Party is still strong is that a serial flop flopper isn't running away with the nomination? You sure it isn't that Tea Party support has been halved? The view from inside the bubble is different, I'm sure, even if the sides are getting closer and closer. Bachmann's problems are many, including her lack of any legislative record and her mistakes on the facts. This large Tea Party group apparently didn't get your memo. | ||||||
| 299 | Boldwin ID: 111025184 Fri, Nov 18, 2011, 11:19 | Ooh, a CBS/NYT poll, so you know it's not a biased meaningless push poll. | ||||||
| 300 | DWetzel ID: 53326279 Fri, Nov 18, 2011, 11:22 | Hey, at least it's not Rasmussen. | ||||||
| 301 | Perm Dude ID: 39961218 Fri, Nov 18, 2011, 11:37 |
That's a bubble response if I ever heard one. Today's (smaller) Tea Party: Sneering at the Facts While We Self-marginalize Ourselves. | ||||||
| 302 | Perm Dude ID: 39961218 Fri, Nov 18, 2011, 11:55 | Cain requests Secret Service protection. To protect him from the Press. | ||||||
| 303 | sarge33rd ID: 010232811 Mon, Nov 28, 2011, 23:31 |
Cain denies allegation of 13 yr affair Cain's attorney, Lin Wood, dismissed the comparison between White and Bialek in a statement released to Fox 5 Atlanta on Monday, but did not deny the affair took place. "This is not an accusation of harassment in the workplace — this is not an accusation of an assault — which are subject matters of legitimate inquiry to a political candidate," Wood said. "Rather, this appears to be an accusation of private, alleged consensual conduct between adults — a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public. No individual, whether a private citizen, a candidate for public office or a public official, should be questioned about his or her private sexual life. The public's right to know and the media's right to report has boundaries, and most certainly those boundaries end outside of one's bedroom door." If the Right TRULY feels this way, please explain the witch hunt for Pres Clinton, or the sudden demise of one Gary Hart? | ||||||
| 304 | Tree ID: 41512710 Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 00:20 |
If the Right TRULY feels this way, please explain the witch hunt for Pres Clinton, or the sudden demise of one Gary Hart? or hell, the entire gay thing. | ||||||
| 305 | Boldwin ID: 1510432817 Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 08:06 | If they've got text messages he's toast and we can all save some debate space. Maybe let Bachmann speak during the next debate even. | ||||||
| 306 | Razor ID: 551031157 Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 10:47 | Bacchman is done. I told you she'd be a sideshow and a nonfactor six months ago. | ||||||
| 307 | DWetzel ID: 49962710 Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 10:55 | Granting the wish in 305 would be the easiest way to ensure the truth of 306, of course. | ||||||
| 308 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 11:02 | Ron Paul got less time than Bachmann at that debate, and his support dwarfs hers. | ||||||
| 309 | boikin ID: 532592112 Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 12:03 | That is because the right and left can agree they don't like Ron Paul or his ideas. | ||||||
| 310 | Mith ID: 23217270 Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 12:19 | Bachmann has also been among the most heavily and favorably covered by the rightist media. She entered the race as one of the most recognizable candidates thanks to several years of free publicity and regular character endorsements from Gretchen Carlson, Glen Beck and others, not to mention positioning herself as champion of the Tea party movement. Yet her turn as the flash in the not-Romney pan was probably briefest and least bright among all the not-Romneys who got a chance. | ||||||
| 311 | nerveclinic ID: 40352125 Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 13:03 |
Yet her turn as the flash in the not-Romney pan was probably briefest and least bright among all the not-Romneys who got a chance. I think that happened around the time people actually heard her speak. | ||||||
| 312 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 13:21 |
Like Palin: The more she spoke, the less people liked her. Looks like Cain might be considering dropping out. | ||||||
| 313 | nerveclinic ID: 40352125 Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 18:18 |
Although I am completely unimpressed with Cain, it just sickens me that an affair if true is news, or has any bearing on a persons ability to be President, unless like Newt he has gone after another politician for the same act. Who is going to run if we are just going to crucify people for every skeleton in their closet. Baldwin: If they've got text messages he's toast and we can all save some debate space. Uh why? | ||||||
| 314 | sarge33rd ID: 510433010 Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 18:42 | American, puritanical, superiority NC. Its the inflated sense of self, that comes with "exceptionalism". | ||||||
| 315 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 37838313 Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 18:43 |
The left supported Clinton despite Gennifer Flowers. It was the right that took issue, so at least they're consistant. Of course seeing Cain's support flow to Gingrich, who's own marital affair during the Clinton impeachment process made the family values positions he postured all that time a laughable hypocrisy. So I guess consistancy with family values issues has a statute of limitations on the political right. | ||||||
| 316 | Boldwin ID: 361012916 Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 19:06 |
For one thing Newt wasn't posing as a minister of god, nor was his a 14 year affair. Cain has the misfortune of running for the nomination of the party whose base actually values promises and principles and upholding oaths like 'I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.' So we know for sure it isn't the democrat party. If I were Newt I wouldn't get caught again out in the parking lot getting serviced by someone other than his wife. He's getting a provisional pass after twenty years. He's not getting a perpetual get out of jail card. McCain can just forget another run as well after co-writing the citizen detainee portion of the current Defense appropriation bill. | ||||||
| 317 | Boldwin ID: 361012916 Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 19:08 | And I asked for any sign of impropriety any other time in his life other than a brief spate of copy-cat suits. And I got it. | ||||||
| 318 | sarge33rd ID: 510433010 Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 19:17 |
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.' The GOP, has done more in the past 10 years to undermine Constitutional Law, than one could have otherwise imagined. | ||||||
| 319 | Boldwin ID: 361012916 Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 19:19 | OMG I just saw Seinfeld kiss Jenine Garafalo. He's right out as well. | ||||||
| 320 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 37838313 Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 20:27 |
nor was his a 14 year affair Do you mean the affair he had with Marianne Ginther while married to his first wife, Jackie Battley which led to him disussing divorce conditions with Battley while she lay in a hospital bed being treated for cancer? Or the affair he had with Callista Bisek while married to Ginther? | ||||||
| 321 | Boldwin ID: 361012916 Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 21:11 | He hasn't had to wander in the wilderness for 20 years for nothin'. | ||||||
| 322 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 37838313 Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 21:56 |
"I'm going to be really direct, OK? I was charging $60,000 a speech. And the number of speeches was going up, not down. Normally, celebrities leave and they gradually sell fewer speeches every year. We were selling more."Some wilderness. | ||||||
| 323 | Boldwin ID: 20111211 Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 02:16 |
AC points out that we still haven't seen the texts or heard any backup to the 'mistress's word. Hard to believe she would claim to have texts if they weren't incriminating, but we haven't had it confirmed. To be fair. | ||||||
| 324 | sarge33rd ID: 510433010 Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 02:32 | But, we have an Independent prosecutors findings re Newt, but you say that is meaningless. I mean,a to be fair, is there ANY evidence you would believe? | ||||||
| 325 | Boldwin ID: 20111211 Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 02:38 | In your struggle to read #323 do you remember running across the word 'texts'? | ||||||
| 326 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 04:07 |
Ha! Using AC as some kind of proof gives you the kind of non-proof you deserve. I see she never mentions the fact that Cain gave this woman money (which he's admitted to doing). You are pretty desperate to back this guy up, Boldwin. You need to ask yourself why you are unwilling to let Cain defend himself. After all, you haven't a clue as to the truth of these many allegations. | ||||||
| 327 | Tree ID: 41512710 Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 09:17 |
In your struggle to read #323 do you remember running across the word 'texts'? to be fair, his view of the post was probably obscured by the giant ass standing in the way with post 325. | ||||||
| 328 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 14:01 |
He's just sayin': | ||||||
| 329 | Boldwin ID: 20111211 Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 23:32 |
PD It is really hard to believe I have to tell you to learn to read. Perhaps we will be charitable and chalk this up to just general trouble keeping everyone's positions straight. I said Cain was toast way back in #305. In #317 I said; And I asked for any sign of impropriety any other time in his life other than a brief spate of copy-cat suits. And I got it. I didn't use AC as proof of Cain's innocence. I used her reminder that to be fair we still are waiting for the other shoe to drop, when the contents of the e-mails/texts are revealed. The only place I am still spinning madly in defense of Cain is in your mind. | ||||||
| 330 | Tree ID: 41512710 Fri, Dec 02, 2011, 16:34 |
just when you think it can't get any more entertaining...  "Women For Cain" is an online national fellowship of women dedicated to helping elect Herman Cain as the next President of the United States. Mr. Cain has been a strong advocate for women throughout his lifetime, defending and promoting the issues of quality health care, family, education, equality in the workplace and many other concerns so important to American women. | ||||||
| 331 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Fri, Dec 02, 2011, 17:33 |
#329: You are doing more than waiting for the other shoe to drop. While you are waiting, you fill the time by approvingly posting a link to a hit piece on Cain's accusers. You seemingly don't know the difference between believing the guy is toast as a presidential candidate and slamming the many women who accuse him of sexual inappropriateness as, collectively, charlatans. | ||||||
| 332 | sarge33rd ID: 101112311 Sat, Dec 03, 2011, 13:51 |
Cain suspends his campaign gee, what a shock | ||||||
| 333 | Tree ID: 41512710 Sat, Dec 03, 2011, 14:11 | I heart the Onion | ||||||
| 334 | Tree ID: 41512710 Sat, Dec 03, 2011, 16:35 | and, not from the Onion, is the fact Cain quoted Pokemon in his speech...and it's not the first time he's done that. amazing. | ||||||
| 335 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Sat, Jan 28, 2012, 21:36 | Just read that Cain endorsed Gingrich in West Palm Beach. Grabbing his last moment in the spotlight, perhaps. I doubt any of his former supporters were still awaiting his endorsement to make a choice at this point. | ||||||
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