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Subject: Roots of Conservatism Posted by: Boldwin - [2664163] Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 19:41 The enemies of conservatives have sought to redefine conservatism so radically that Ronald Reagan is a liberal in their new altered version of reality. Therefore we should revisit the roots of conservatism and remember how we got here. The division of left and right didn't so much happen in the French Revolutionary in the seating arrangements of the French government. The division was a philisophical break between followers of the Irish-English Edmund Burke and French philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau. At the appearance of gross atrocities committed by french revolutionaries politicians were forced to decide between giving the french revolution the benefit of the doubt by virtue of their claims of benevolent intent or holding them responsible for their atrocities. Burke fought initially from a position of political weakness, pointing out that the benevolent weren't necessarily as benevolent as they claimed and he put his finger precisely on the tell: Rousseau had a life of "obscure and vulgar vices" that was not "chequered, or spotted here and there, with virtues, or even distinguished by a single good action". Burke contrasted Rousseau's theory of universal benevolence and his sending his children to a foundling hospital: "a lover of his kind, but a hater of his kindred". - wikiYes, how could someone who could not find an ounce of benevolence on behalf of his own children, be credited with benevolence towards anyone else? And so it has been ever since. Followers of Rousseau are in love with grand rearrangement of society and the necessary crushing power to achieve it, but when push comes to shove, can't find a trace of true benevolence in their hearts. | |||||||
| 1 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 19:42 | Your premise is faulty, thus your arguments are hollow, and your conclusions invalid. | ||||||
| 2 | DWetzel ID: 31111810 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 19:44 | Alternatively, cue the Billy Madison clip. | ||||||
| 3 | Boldwin ID: 2664163 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 19:44 | Burke's bio is very important reading for anyone with the ambition to be politically educated. | ||||||
| 4 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 19:45 | Such puffery. Used to be that conservatives prided themselves on having more "real world" experience. Now, they take refuge in mythic creation stories. | ||||||
| 7 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 19:52 |
Yeah, Bruce Bartlett, Richard Posner, Colin Powell, etc etc are now "trolls." Your Rovian strategy of calling out your "enemies" for doing exactly what you are doing yourself is pathological. If you were a college student I would almost find this to be excusable, and say "wait 20 years and be embarrassed at the young you" but even that is not a good enough excuse. You've seriously given in to the dark side, and allowed your politics to give voice to the hateful Satan inside you. | ||||||
| 9 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 19:56 | that may or may not be true. But from Reagan to Bush II, HUGE movementss were undertaken by the GOP. Swinging so far to the right, as to border on fascism. | ||||||
| 10 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 20:02 |
Again with the projections. Good luck with your bubble. Let's just say that defining conservationism to match your own beliefs and no others does a serious disservice to conservative thought, including its long winding path. Burke was a good man, great writer, and (I hear) one of the best orators ever. But he's more complicated than you would ever think. And a "theory" of conservatism which believes there to be a straight path from Burke to Reagan (but which rejects the opinions of those who actually worked with Reagan) deserves no more real response at all. | ||||||
| 13 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 20:07 | He's all ginned up. After all, a conservative justice upheld a Heritage Foundation policy idea, so his last hope of activist judges saving an idea that couldn't win at the polls was dashed. Maybe we need to give him time to grieve. | ||||||
| 14 | Boldwin ID: 2664163 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 20:08 |
Nor does the existance of neocon traitors to Reagan's movement detract from Reagan or his revolution which contains the Tea Party. Your Orwellian powers are useless against this movement. | ||||||
| 15 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 20:10 | The Tea Party, bears np resemblance in practice, to Reagan. Indeed, Reagans very strength, is the bane of the Tea Party, (or the entire GOP of late for that matter), compromise. | ||||||
| 16 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 20:15 | Reagan would have been a RINO in today's Tea Party-led GOP. His attitudes on immigration, taxation, and even his horrible habit of working with Democrats wold have gotten him tarred and feathered. After all, the guy was a celebrity from California! What did he know about stuff like that? | ||||||
| 17 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 21:03 |
Your Orwellian powers are useless against this movement. That would be a funny line in a Saturday Night Live skit. Used seriously here, it's just pathetic. | ||||||
| 21 | Tree ID: 17039238 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 22:56 |
Baldwin is the Sideshow Bob of this message board. they're both right leaning and self-proclaimed geniuses. and they both repeatedly hit themselves in the face with a rake. | ||||||
| 22 | Tree ID: 17039238 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 22:59 |
Reagan would have been a RINO in today's Tea Party-led GOP. His attitudes on immigration, taxation, and even his horrible habit of working with Democrats wold have gotten him tarred and feathered. stop confusing him with facts!!!! | ||||||
| 23 | Tree ID: 17039238 Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 23:03 |
Your Orwellian powers are useless against this movement. smells like the start of a meme to me! 
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| 24 | Boldwin ID: 2664163 Mon, Jul 09, 2012, 21:40 |
If I say it, it probably belongs on a poster. I'm just that pithy and powerful. | ||||||
| 25 | Tree ID: 17039238 Mon, Jul 09, 2012, 22:19 |
don't know which one i like more:  probably the one with the fool. although the princess applies too. | ||||||
| 26 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Mon, Jul 09, 2012, 22:27 | Top one. Definitely the top one. | ||||||
| 27 | DWetzel ID: 31111810 Tue, Jul 10, 2012, 01:14 | I can only assume he means the FBI posters in the post office. | ||||||
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