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0 Subject: Israeli bulldozer driver murders US peace activist

Posted by: Seattle Zen
- Donor [30216620] Mon, Mar 17, 2003, 14:43

Disturbing photos of WA woman murdered by Isreali soldier on bulldozer



This sad event has garnered a lot of press out here in the Socialist Republic of Washington, I don't know what the rest of Corporate Media America has been told.

This was no accident, the driver killed her on purpose. The only "accident", in the eyes of Isreal, was that she was an American and Isreal will never do anything to upset Americans, hense the apologies.
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234Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Wed, Apr 19, 2006, 10:13
I tap.
235Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Thu, Apr 20, 2006, 11:30
honestly, Hamas is doing everything possible to destroy their own people...

Militants on New Palestinian Security Wing

Interior Minister Said Siyam issued a decree appointing Jamal Abu Samhadana, the head of the Popular Resistance Committees, as director general of the Interior Ministry. Samhadana's group is responsible for many of the homemade rockets launched at Israel in recent weeks.
236Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 11:53
A militant leader appointed to a senior security position in the Hamas-led Palestinian government said on Friday he would not abandon the fight against

the rhetoric is strong. if they back it up with some kind of action, i fear the consequences will reverbrate world-wide.
237Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 12:00
"I'll point out that the poliforum regulars on the left will typically take on liberals who aren't well enough informed to get by here." - MITH

Explain why Tree hasn't been ridden out on a rail then.
238Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 428299
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 12:05
If you mean to say that I haven't shown willing to openly disagree with tree or any other lefty posters for that matter you're mistaken.
239Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 12:17
Ah, when you see content free pap streaming from Tree you howl like a watchdog...examples please. Oh that it were true.
240Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 428299
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 12:33
Well its clear that nothing short of my verbally assualting him would please you but my point in post 225 was not a call for hostility toward Boxman but for some on the right to call him on just some of his many numerous factual errors and gross misconceptions.

If realy you need an example of my so disagreeing with and/or addressing Tree, here's a thread I came across the other day. See posts 1 and 23.

I believe I can also find an example of Tree similarly correcting me.
241Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 12:53
Baldwin - honestly, are you this big of a prick in real life too? get your ass handed to you often?

i think it's been shown time and time again that those of us who lean toward the left here disagree with each other, correct each other, and offer support to each other as individual situations arise.

MITH was saying that maybe someone oughta do the same with Boxman, because he seems pretty outclassed in a lot of argued issues.

and, then you come in here from out of left field, flailing away with your silly insults. what happened? did your son come out of the closet last night?
242Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 12:54
That's a little over-the-top, tree.
243Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 428299
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 13:07
A couple more:

Various lefty gurupies won't put up with anti-Israel liberals Blaze and Stomo

MITH and Tree disagree on Stanley Williams.

I don't believe Boxman is particularly prone to making personal attacks so this is something that is largely seperate imo but there's no reason for post 241. Obviously the tone was set in 239 but escalating doesn't serve any useful purpose.
244Boxman
      ID: 582442813
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 13:10
Tree: "MITH was saying that maybe someone oughta do the same with Boxman, because he seems pretty outclassed in a lot of argued issues."

I always knew I was right on a lot of topics, but now I KNOW that I know.

Boldwin: I've got that snippet of e-goodness from Officer Mith saved in a special place and each time Tree (or anyone) busts out an incoherent piece of jibberish, I'll be expecting Officer Mith to show up.
245Pancho Villa
      ID: 519522811
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 13:10
Speaking of over the top:

Israel Preparing To Retake Gaza Strip

That ought to spark a bit of controversy.
246Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 428299
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 13:20
and each time Tree (or anyone) busts out an incoherent piece of jibberish, I'll be expecting Officer Mith to show up

Curious summary of your forum contributions. Personally, I'd give you more credit than that.
247Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 428299
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 13:28
PV 245

Making preparations seems prudent at this time.
248Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 13:38
I'm asking why comments like PD's #142 are as rare as hen's teeth, when Tree is routinely that vaccuous and loathesome.
249Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 13:48
perhaps 241 was over the top, and i apologize. but sometimes, you have to return fire.

anyway, back on point.

PV -
Israel Preparing To Retake Gaza Strip

That ought to spark a bit of controversy.


buried pretty deep in the article is the following:

Israel already has made two brief incursions into Gaza in recent days to search for explosives. But defense officials said the odds of a large-scale operation or full occupation are slim because of financial and political constraints.

that's important to note...
250Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 428299
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 13:51
Well thats a new topic that has little to do with the words you posted into post 237. I was asking why you guys let Box get away with factual errors and arguments that are dependant on misunderstandings.

FTR I have asked Tree to temper his personal attacks in the past but I also know that (much like you) my own unfortunate propensity for sinking to that level can make such efforts somewhat hypocritical.
251Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 14:07
FTR I have asked Tree to temper his personal attacks in the past but I also know that (much like you) my own unfortunate propensity for sinking to that level can make such efforts somewhat hypocritical.

FWIW, i do think i've reduced my personal attacks significantly.

i also think that most of them that have occurred recently, have been when Baldwin went trolling for me, and i foolishly took the bait....
252Boxman
      ID: 582442813
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 14:20
"i also think that most of them that have occurred recently, have been when Baldwin went trolling for me, and i foolishly took the bait...."

Oh the liberal emergeth.

I'm the victim! I'm the victim! I'm the victim!

What about my feeeeeeeelings? It's the other guys fault.
253Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 15:30
case rested.
254Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, May 09, 2006, 13:34
World Bank says underestimated depth of Palestinian crisis
In March, the World Bank projected that by the end of 2006 Palestinian poverty and unemployment levels would rise to 67 and 40 percent, and personal incomes would drop by 30 percent.

"We now consider these figures underestimates," it said in the memo.

===============================================================================

Western powers led by the United States and the European Union have frozen direct aid to the Palestinian Authority to put pressure on Hamas to renounce violence, recognize Israel and abide by interim peace deals.

Local, regional and international banks, fearful of being hit with U.S. anti-terrorism sanctions and lawsuits, have refused to deal with the Authority.

As a result, the Hamas-led government has been unable to pay salaries to 165,000 public employees since March, prompting concerns of a humanitarian crisis that could trigger an upsurge in Middle East violence.

===============================================================================

To ease the crisis while bypassing the Hamas-led government, European powers Britain and France have backed the creation of a special trust fund to help pay salaries to at least health and education workers.

But Western diplomats say the United States has been trying to block the proposal on the grounds that paying salaries would take pressure off Hamas.

In its memo, the World Bank said an existing program, known as the Emergency Services Support Project (ESSP), has for the last five years provided support to the Palestinian ministries of education, health and social affairs.

According to the memo, the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority "itself has said that it has no objection in principle to a temporary bypassing of its fiduciary mechanisms".

The World Bank said donor assistance dropped "more precipitously than expected", Israel further tightened Gaza and West Bank restrictions, and financial transactions by Palestinian banks have been sharply curtailed.

255Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Tue, May 09, 2006, 13:39
again, all Hamas has to do is say "we recognize Israel's right to exist," and condemn any terrorist attacks on Israel.

as of this moment, any suffering from the Palestinians is completely in the hands of their elected leadership.
256Boxman
      ID: 2630259
      Tue, May 09, 2006, 16:58
They may not have to Tree because U.S. to give Palestinians $10 million in medical aid

"A senior State Department official said the money includes $4 million in medicine and medical equipment for clinics run by nongovernmental organizations, which could start to be delivered as early as Wednesday. The remaining $6 million will be delivered through UNICEF, the U.N. children's fund."

And NO-BOD-Y has ever pulled the wool over the UN's glaucoma infested eyes before.

Way to go W.

257Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, May 10, 2006, 10:19
The last two sentences from the CNN article linked in post 256:
U.S. officials said the $10 million program announced Tuesday by Rice will be funded in part by the nearly $30 million that the United States requested back from the Palestinian Authority earlier this year.

In all, the U.S. has canceled or suspended $411 million in aid out of concern the money could help the new Hamas-led Palestinian government.
In my opinion it is significant that the funds came from money that was previously earmarked for Palestinian aid.

Today: Israel Gives Hamas Deadline to Negotiate
Israel will give the Palestinians until the end of the year to prove they are willing to negotiate a final peace deal, and will unilaterally set its final borders by 2008 if they don't, Israel's justice minister said Wednesday.

The statement by Justice Minister Haim Ramon, a close associate of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's, was the first by an Israeli official to set a deadline for the Hamas-led Palestinian government to disarm and recognize the Jewish state.

The Palestinians' moderate president, Mahmoud Abbas, of the rival Fatah party, has tried to persuade Israel to bypass Hamas and resume peace talks with him, but Olmert has said he wouldn't negotiate with Abbas if Hamas didn't change its violent ways.

"Through the end of this year, 2006, there will be honest attempts to talk to the other side," Ramon told Israel's Army Radio.

"If it becomes clear by the end of the year that we really have no partner, and the international community is also convinced of this, then we will take our fate into our own hands and not leave our fate in the hands of our enemies," he added.
Opinion from Captain's Quarters
The Israelis have tired of the occupation game, waiting for the Palestinians to produce viable negotiators for peace. Hamas will only commit to a "long-term truce' if Israel returns to the borders that Arab nations found so attractive for attacks twice in twenty years. The Palestinians won't even negotiate for a formal end to hostilities or recognition of Israel. They want to keep their primary goal alive, which is the destruction of the "Zionist entity" and the acquisition of all the land to the Mediterranean.

The Israelis will not establish the long and nearly indefensible border positions that almost saw them pushed into the Mediterranean, nor should they. Israel occupies the West Bank because of the offensive war that Arab nations staged through that territory; they risked that territory and lost it. The Israelis have every right to reset its borders accordingly to ensure that they have a more defensible frontier, and if the Palestinians refuse to negotiate the terms, then Israel should set them, pull back behind them, and end the occupation and the debate.
Also, regarding the proposal for Quartet aid to include paying the salaries of Palensinian government workers, which at the time of the writing of the CNN article, the US opposed:
THE United States, facing a possible humanitarian crisis, last night agreed with its Quartet partners to set up a “temporary international mechanism” to channel aid directly to the Palestinians, despite its boycott of Hamas.
In an agreed statement, the Quartet of the US, Russia, the EU and the UN said that the mechanism should begin operating “as soon as possible”, and ensure “direct delivery of any assistance to the Palestinian people”.

The statement was issued after Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia predicted a civil war if the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority was left to collapse.

Diplomats said that it was not yet decided how many of the 160,000-plus Palestinian Authority employees, including 70,000 security personnel, would receive their salaries through the arrangement. The government salaries, which support about one third of Palestinian families, have not been paid for two months.
Captain's Quarters again:
I have no objection to sending food and medicine to the Palestinian people for humanitarian purposes. However, sending money and paying the salaries of those with Fatah and Hamas government sinecures undermines the entire purpose of isolating the Palestinian Authority. The Palestinians voted these people into power, primarily because they believed that they would not have to suffer the consequences of electing unreconstructed terrorists as their representatives. Just when that decision started to make a personal impact on the people who made that decision, the Quartet has performed their normal Deus ex Machina role, rescuing the Palestinians once again from their own folly.

And what will be the result of handing cash over to these government employees? The Hamas government will collect taxes from the salaries, and probably in large amounts. The commerce it restores will also generate tax revenues for the Hamas-led government. Freed from the responsibility of paying salaries, just where will all those tax dollars go? It won't get earmarked for Bridges and Trains to Nowhere. And that assumes that Hamas (and Fatah as well) won't simply confiscate a large part of that money up front.
258Boxman
      ID: 2630259
      Wed, May 10, 2006, 10:45
The size of the previous pie (upwards of 400 million) to me is irrelevant as is the original earmarking of the funds. It is the destination of the funds I question and we learn nothing from history wherein money is given to help people but turned and twisted by their governments.

I of course do not want to see anyone starve or die from easily treatable diseases so I am not in favor of turning off the dripping faucet to the suffering poor Palestinian civilians. Where I am conflicted is that how do we do it in a manner that guarentees other groups don't procure these supplies? For admitted selfish reasons, how do we do it in a manner that gets the U.S. and Israel credit? After all, if Hamas can spin this issue such that they view it as a sign of western weakness or Palestinian strength, we just emboldened the enemy. I would be open to the idea of having the needy come into Israel for supplies, but that must create a security headache for Israel.

Ideas?

Where Our Money Goes
259Seattle Zen
      ID: 46315247
      Thu, May 25, 2006, 12:44
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Thursday he will call a national referendum on accepting a Palestinian state alongside Israel if Hamas does not agree to the idea within 10 days.

There has been a lot of Hamas-Fatah fighting recently. Even if this idea is simply a internal political ploy, it would be a great step. The story says that pollsters believe it would pass, furthering my contention that the Palestinians voted for Hamas not because of their stand against Isreal but because Fatah had become so corrupt.
260Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Thu, May 25, 2006, 14:01
furthering my contention that the Palestinians voted for Hamas not because of their stand against Isreal but because Fatah had become so corrupt.

that's piss poor logic.

So if a non-corrupt Hitler ran against a corrupt Ralph Nader, you'd vote for hitler?

Hamas are terrorists in the truest sense of the word.
261Perm Dude
      ID: 1436258
      Thu, May 25, 2006, 14:10
Palestinians weren't given the choice of Nader on the ballot, tree. Don't be slamming them for making a bad choice when they had to pick between two.

Truth is, Fatah had grown increasingly distant from everyday Palestinians the last few years, so Palestinians were faced with a Columbia Decision: Support the responsive local terrorists who bother only other people, or support lazy, corrupt, and non-responsive non-terrorists.
262Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Tue, Jun 13, 2006, 12:24
anyone who watches the news, or reads the newspaper, has seen the tragic footage/photos of a Palestinian family killed on a Gaza beach.

the media was quick to blame Israeli artillery fire for the slaughter of these innocents.

Even quicker to lay blame were the Palestinians, and Hamas cancelled an unofficial cease fire and began firing rockets into Israel.

well, apparently, investigations are showing that The Palestinians themselves, were to blame.

An explosion on a Gaza beach that killed seven people last week was caused by explosives planted there by Palestinian militants, not artillery fire from an Israeli navy gunboat, Israeli military sources said...

...An Israeli commando unit used the beach to enter Gaza for a mission in recent weeks, prompting the militants to place the mines, the sources said.

Intelligence information gathered by Israeli investigators showed that Hamas quickly removed the remaining mines from the beach after the blast, the sources said.


yes, this was an israeli investigation - i realize that. hopefully, there will be some independent investigation as well, but shrapnel removed from the bodies is quite telling.
263Tree
      ID: 55121318
      Tue, Jun 13, 2006, 19:14
more on the story here...
264Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jun 14, 2006, 09:19
the media was quick to blame Israeli artillery fire for the slaughter of these innocents.

You are aware that among the media that was quick to blame IAF were Israeli outlets, right?

Haaretz today:
Shortly after the incident occurred, the army was leaning toward accepting the assumption that the disaster was caused by an errant Israeli artillery shell. While the IDF spokesman's initial announcement did not formally accept responsibility, it expressed deep regret for the deaths and announced an end to the artillery fire on Gaza until the incident had been investigated. The foreign media unequivocally blamed Israel for the deaths, and the Israel media (including Haaretz) tended to do the same.
I don't know that you can fault the international media for this. The pro-Israeli media reported that IAF was to blame and IAF didn't deny responsibility as they expressed regret.
265Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Wed, Jun 14, 2006, 09:29
i agree with you MITH.

that being said, (and i'd love to be proven wrong), i'm sure that in various newspapers and such, when it was Israel's fault, it was page one, top of the fold material.

but now that this is coming out, i'm sure it's not getting the same prominant play.

and certainly not in the Palestinian world. did you see the news footage from one of the links provided?
266Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jun 14, 2006, 10:07
I'm sure you're right, regarding various media outlets, Tree. You should realize however that new news on who is responsible for the death of a family in another country, especially one rife with violence, is not as big a story as the family's death, itself. This is even more true if the new news is that the incident didn't likely involve an attack.

You should also realize that IAF's contention is contested.

NYT
An American expert working with Human Rights Watch, Marc Garlasco, is a former Pentagon official who did bomb damage assessment for the American military in Kosovo and worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency.

He said that he had visited the beach the day after the explosion, and that the crater size, the shrapnel and the location of injuries on the bodies all pointed to "a shell dropping from the sky, not explosives under the sand."

In an interview in Gaza, he said he had found shrapnel "consistent with a 155-mm. Israeli shell fired from a M109 howitzer," including one piece stamped "155mm."
This is in direct contention with the Israeli investigation, which also claims that the crater is evidence to support its claim.

And we do know that IAF had fired several shells into the area very close to the time that the family was killed. The linked Haaretz article ran the following quote from the IDF Defense Minister;
"We checked each and every shell that was fired from the sea, the air and from the artillery on the land and we found out that we can track each and every one according to a timetable and according to the accuracy of where they hit the ground.
But omitted from the Haaretz article is that one of the shells fired by IAF was unaccounted for. Israel did acknowledge this but denied that it could have caused the explosion that killed the family. From the linked NYT article:
Brig. Gen. Hezi Levy, Israel's surgeon general and one of the investigators, said that they had accounted for all but one of the shells fired that day, and that none of them had exploded during this time. He said the one unaccounted-for artillery shell was fired "much" before 4:57. Later, another military official specified that that shell was launched at 4:30.
267Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jun 14, 2006, 14:40
More on Garlasco's investigation

I'll point out that I've seen notably more coverege of Israel's investigation than Garlasco's.
268Borat
      ID: 10525610
      Thu, Jun 15, 2006, 09:40
Hehlo. I am Borat from Kazaky. Enjoy video.

Singing To Americans
269Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 13:40
"Return (kidnapped soldier) Gilad (Shalit, age 19) alive and healthy, stop firing rockets and we will return our soldiers to their bases," (Defense Minister Amir) Peretz said in a speech.

13 Palestinians, 1 Israeli soldier killed

seems pretty simple to me. i fear that the Palestinians are now giving, what is essentially a "gift", to the Israelis who felt that withdrawal, and peace, would never work.

it saddens me, because now i'm seriously starting to wonder myself if the Palestinians do, indeed, want peace.
270Tree
      ID: 40621811
      Sat, Jul 08, 2006, 12:23
Israeli leader rejects Palestinian truce

The five-point truce proposal that Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas issued Saturday called on Israel to halt its offensive and release prisoners, but said little about what Hamas is prepared to do in return.

ok, ok, stop shooting at us. um. what? return your kidnapped soldier? stop lobbing missiles at your people? NEVER!
271Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Sat, Jul 08, 2006, 13:44
Prolly felt emboldened by the recently proposed UN Security Council resolution which condemned Israel while saying nothing about recent Palestinian agression. Or maybe it was the recently set agenda of the new UN Human Rights commission (with Cuba and Iran on for stint) which has put Israel on as a topic for every meeting.

What a unfortunate unfunny joke the UN has continued to be in the situation.
272Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Tue, Jul 10, 2007, 17:17
This just makes me sad: Rachael Corrie's family asked a federal appeals court panel Monday to reinstate a lawsuit against Caterpillar Inc., saying the company knew bulldozers it sold to the Israeli government were being used to commit human rights violations.

How about doing something worthwhile to honor her memory?
273sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Jul 10, 2007, 17:30
Sorry SZ...not to be overtly callous, but I agree entirely with not making Caterpillar pay. Thie rproduct, was being used as designed, as the manufacturer has no control over how the buyer uses it. Further, Isreal is not a nation where US companies are barred from doing business. Its tragic that Ms Corrie is dead. Its also her own fault.
274Perm Dude
      ID: 126201018
      Tue, Jul 10, 2007, 19:21
I completely agree. Lawsuits like this make legitimate ones more difficult.
275Tree
      ID: 166301020
      Tue, Jul 10, 2007, 22:09
What makes you sad SZ?

that her parents continue with a frivolous lawsuit that tarnishes their daughter's name? because that would make me sad if i was a believer in her cause, to see it shredded for money.
276sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Tue, Jul 10, 2007, 23:30
Wondering upon a second reading, if I havent misinterpreted SZ's intent. Perhaps the sadness is that the parents persist in this vein, vs expending their energies in doing something worthwhile to honor her memory. In that scenario, I would wholeheartedly agree with you SZ.
277Tree
      ID: 18645115
      Wed, Jul 11, 2007, 07:31
Sarge - that's why i took SZ to mean.
278sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Wed, Jul 11, 2007, 09:17
Your post Tree, is probably what spurred my thinking in that direction.
279Seattle Zen
      ID: 47630913
      Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 14:11


Court Rules Israel Is Not at Fault in American Activist’s Death
“It’s a black day for activists of human rights and people who believe in values of dignity,” Mr. Hussein said. “We believe this decision is a bad decision for all of us — civilians first of all, and peace activists.”

Yes, it is.
An Israeli judge ruled on Tuesday that the state bore no responsibility for the death of Rachel Corrie, the young American woman who was run over by a military bulldozer in 2003 as she protested the demolition of Palestinian homes in the Gaza Strip. The lengthy verdict in the civil case, read in part to a courtroom in Haifa packed with supporters of Ms. Corrie’s family, called the death a “regrettable accident” — a characterization that Ms. Corrie’s allies strongly disputed.

“She chose to put herself in danger,” said the judge, Oded Gershon. “She could have easily distanced herself from the danger like any reasonable person would.”

Since her death, Ms. Corrie has become an international symbol of the Palestinian resistance. A play based on her writings has been performed in 10 countries, and a ship in an attempted aid flotilla to Gaza bore her name. Books, documentaries and songs have recounted how Ms. Corrie, a 23-year-old student, dressed in an orange vest and wielding a bullhorn stood between a bulldozer and the home of a Palestinian family in March 2003 during the height of the second intifada, or uprising.

Hussein Abu Hussein, the lawyer who brought the wrongful-death suit on the Corrie family’s behalf, said he would appeal the ruling within 45 days to Israel’s Supreme Court. At a news conference after the verdict, he showed pictures of Ms. Corrie taken the day of her death, saying “anyone could have seen” her bright garb.
280soxzeitgeist
      ID: 227522815
      Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 17:02
Here is a reposted and equally compelling picture of Ms. Corrie.

281Boldwin
      ID: 29847520
      Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 06:10
The rabid anti-Israeli left attempts to lure in reluctant Jewish voters into the big tent. Tho it juuust kills them to do it, don't you know.
282Boldwin
      ID: 29847520
      Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 06:14
A concession with Obama's aproval.
283Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 08:52
this may just be a political move, but it's an important one.

let's be real - there was no way Obama was ever "against" Israel, despite many thinking he was.

this should seal the deal, and he should regain much of the Jewish vote that was wavering.
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