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Subject: Ukraine is FREE! Posted by: Seattle Zen - [3310162612] Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 23:11 Abandoned by his own guards and reviled across the Ukrainian capital but still determined to recover his shredded authority, President Viktor F. Yanukovych fled Kiev on Saturday   Behind Gates, Bizarre Vision of Opulence Whether it was the toppling of Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines or of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi of Libya, the breaching of the presidential palace gates is a milestone of a revolution. But Kiev on Saturday was unusual in one sense. There was no sacking. The opposition unit that took control of the president’s complex, called Mezhigorye, kept it intact, at least for now. On Saturday, the president fled, and the presidential guard melted away. But members of the Lviv-based “hundred,” who had repeatedly confronted Mr. Yanukovych’s security forces on the streets, posted guards around his residential compound and prevented looting even as swarms of gawking Kiev residents strolled through its grounds. I can't believe how quickly the events of today transpired. Hats off to the guards who let the people in and ushered a new era for Ukraine.  | |||||||
| 1 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Sun, Feb 23, 2014, 10:29 |
The situation is far too complicated to say Ukraine is free. Much of the country is pro-Russian and the economy is going to continue to rely on Russian subsidies in order for some semblance of stability moving forward. It's possible that freed former PM Yulia Tymoshenko will get enough Russian support to lead a fractured parliament, which would at least give the country a little breathing room. It remains to be seen whether or not she will make the necessary overtures to Russia that will be crucial to Ukraine's future. The Ukraine/Russia relationship will always take precedence over the Ukraine/EU relationship. | ||||||
| 2 | Seattle Zen ID: 3310162612 Sun, Feb 23, 2014, 12:50 |
Well, PV, would the Syrians say they were "free" if Asad fled and his palace walls were breached peacefully? Sure, there is still plenty of fallout ahead, but the parliament voted unanimously to remove him from power, that includes every member of his own party, and they removed his cabinet members. Viktor F. Yanukovych, the undemocratic tyrant, kleptocrat and Putin patsy is gone for good. | ||||||
| 3 | Perm Dude ID: 431013412 Sun, Feb 23, 2014, 18:44 | I guess the old government wasn't whoring themselves out enough... | ||||||
| 4 | Nerveclinic ID: 52134819 Sun, Feb 23, 2014, 23:19 |
But is it clear who all these revolutionaries are? The Independent UK has a new article out claiming lots of far right elements. I am just trying to get clear information. It seems rather murky, but you seem so convinced the revolutionaries are all for the good. There is definitely more to the story and it's difficult to get clear information. If there really are Nazis and far right groups involved as some have suggested, it may be early to celebrate. | ||||||
| 5 | Nerveclinic ID: 52134819 Sun, Feb 23, 2014, 23:20 |
My link was pasted from an IPad and apparently that doesn't work so I will put full link here. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-uprising-we-can-break-protesters-legs-no-one-will-punish-us-the-law-is-on-our-side-9147903.html | ||||||
| 6 | Seattle Zen ID: 205591110 Wed, Jun 11, 2014, 18:29 |
I watched an excellent Frontline on Ukraine last week, interviews with young hooligans who admitted they were paid by Russians to raise hell in the eastern cities. The Battle for Ukraine link. | ||||||
| 7 | Boldwin ID: 05501116 Wed, Jun 11, 2014, 18:49 | Blaming it on hooligans. There's a stale blast from the past. That explains all. | ||||||
| 8 | Perm Dude ID: 586411123 Sun, Jul 20, 2014, 21:24 | Jeez, where are all the conservatives praising Putin today? Maybe giving a bunch of yahoo separatists advanced weaponry wasn't a good idea. You think? | ||||||
| 9 | Boldwin ID: 10632110 Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 11:21 |
Since I see this situation as the closest thing to Sarajevo 1918 I have ever seen in my lifetime, I would warn everyone tempted to get overly outraged over the Ukraine to keep in mind... 1) America's logic holding on to Guantanamo Bay. 2) Compare the quality/capabilities of the freshly trained Potemkin Ukrainian with the decision makers aboard the USS Vincennes as it shot down the Iranian airliner. | ||||||
| 10 | Boldwin ID: 10632110 Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 11:25 | BTW the Vincennes at the time was to my knowledge THE STATE OF THE ART for electronic monitoring and battlefield management. No other military in the world could have touched it's capabilities. And they failed...so crawling out of your skin over this mistake, and that's doubtlessly what it was, is uncalled for. | ||||||
| 11 | Bean ID: 5292191 Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 14:03 | All I know about the Ukraine is that it's hard to hold on a RISK board. Forget about Europe, it's worthless, conquer Austrailia. | ||||||
| 12 | biliruben ID: 561162511 Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 14:22 |
I am currently barely holding on to both against my 7 year old. He is mounting a campaign against Siam from Japan, and I rebuffed the Krauts in the Ukraine. Classic blunder #1 "Never start a land war in Asia". My boy has the excuse of not yet taking world history, nor has he read The Princess Bride. | ||||||
| 13 | sarge33rd ID: 390471112 Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 15:54 | Have to disagree. Take Europe AND Africa. Then capture the Ukraine. You draw 8 armies, and only have 4 borders to protect. | ||||||
| 14 | sarge33rd ID: 390471112 Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 15:54 | opp..Middle East and Ukraine. That secures the eastern border, with 2 countries. | ||||||
| 15 | biliruben ID: 561162511 Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 16:04 | Kamchatka, Ukraine, Middle-east. 3 spots, nine armies if you own both Asia and Australia. Plus an extra army or two, just from the country count. | ||||||
| 16 | biliruben ID: 561162511 Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 16:08 | Second best is North Africa, Iceland and Kamchatka. Hold all the Americas, and you are pretty much golden. Unless someone holds Asia, that is. | ||||||
| 17 | Perm Dude ID: 586411123 Tue, Jul 22, 2014, 22:15 | Sure, Reagan is the model we are looking for when telling Obama how to act. Yes? Yes? | ||||||
| 18 | Bean ID: 5292191 Wed, Sep 03, 2014, 18:43 |
We having fun yet? NATO to take part in joint exercises with Ukrainian army | ||||||
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