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Subject: What's going on in Wisconsin?
Posted by: Tree, not at home
- [3910441615] Thu, Feb 17, 2011, 17:59
Wis. lawmakers flee state to block anti-union bill
pretty exciting and interesting stuff...
The drama in Wisconsin unfolded in a jam-packed Capitol. Madison police and the State Department of Public Instruction estimated the crowd at 25,000 protesters, the largest number yet.
Demonstrators stood shoulder-to-shoulder in the building's hallways, sat cross-legged across the floor and made it difficult to move from room to room.
Protesters clogged the hallway outside the Senate chamber, beating on drums, holding signs deriding Walker and pleading for lawmakers to kill the bill. Some others even demonstrated outside lawmakers' homes.
Hundreds of teachers called in sick, forcing a number of school districts to cancel classes. Madison schools, the state's second-largest district, with 24,000 students, closed for a second day.
Thousands more people, many of them students from the nearby University of Wisconsin, slept in the rotunda for a second night.
"We are all willing to come to the table, we've have all been willing from day one," said Madison teacher Rita Miller. "But you can't take A, B, C, D and everything we've worked for in one fell swoop." |
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| 915 | biliruben
ID: 21841115 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 12:19
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Uh, and that has to do with our discussion of "lies" how?
Focus, man.
We can discuss the validity of your further paranoia another time.
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| 916 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 13:09
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If there is a shocker in PA it will be over coal. I would love to see this be the miscalculation that saves the USA from more Obamanations.
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| 917 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 13:11
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And talk about paranoia, believing they were threatened with their jobs if they didn't go on stage and deny they had been threatened with their jobs...wow.
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| 918 | biliruben
ID: 21841115 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 13:12
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I'll take that vast change of subject as a complete and total admission that your accusation of lies was complete and total bunk.
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| 919 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 13:15
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BTW when Obama minions come to drag me off to voluntary mandatory labor and there is no penalty for not going, fagedaboudit. If there was no penalty there was no mandatory.
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| 920 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 13:25
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the problem B, with your theory in 919...is that they went to the Romney campaign rally. They went w/o pay and they went and said they were told it was mandatory.
Now, we can take their original statement, or we can take one of the various allegations made by our resident partisan hack.
hmmmmmmm, lets all ponder this for a moment.
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| 921 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 13:38
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Their company is losing jobs and going broke because of Obama and we need to wonder about their motivation?
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| 922 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 13:44
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Did you ever think, maybe the coal industry is being supplanted by more modern elements? Sort of like the horse and buggy industry, or the Pony Express, or the stagecoach manufacturing industry? Or that maybe, the species would someday tire of poisoning the very air we breathe? Just sayin...
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| 923 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 14:13
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Did you ever think that alternative energy might be a bit wet around the collar? So green it isn't even ready for harvest yet?
How many Solyndra's before that fact penetrates your brain?
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| 924 | biliruben
ID: 21841115 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 14:13
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Just say, "I was completely wrong slandering PD claiming he was lying. I apologize".
Then we can move on to your next craziness.
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| 925 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 14:16
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Hell no. You can believe the shock jock and I'll believe the miners themselves.
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| 926 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 14:36
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You'll believe the miners after they recant what they said the first time. The first statement obviously NOT being made under duress, while the 2nd? Thats an as yet open question.
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| 927 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 14:42
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How many Solyndra's before that fact penetrates your brain?
link
He continued that line of attack Wednesday night, decrying what he described as "$90 billion in breaks to the green energy world." "These businesses, many of them have gone out of business -- I think about half of them -- of the ones that have been invested in have gone out of business," the former Massachusetts governor said.
well, to answer your question? A lot more than 4 out of 23.
In fact, of the 28 funded projects -- involving 23 companies -- listed in a 2012 congressional report, only four involve businesses that were either sold or are not in operation.
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| 928 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 14:50
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When this tech is ready I'll be hot to get on board.
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| 929 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 14:51
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And I'll know about it before you do.
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| 930 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 14:52
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if we dont incentivize/fund it, it may never be ready
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| 931 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 15:20
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BTW I am sure those who don't believe the miners own words...do believe team obama when they tell us they are deliberately keeping down rally sizes to save on logistic and security costs. Too funny.

When you can't generate support like this you have to invent excuses.
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| 932 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 15:24
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I'll believe the CFO. He is the only one speaking truth against his interests. Now if you have any ethics, apologize.
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| 933 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 16:16
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The coal industry will suffer the same fate as Osama bin Laden under new climate regulations proposed by the Environmental Protection Agency, the head of the United Mine Workers of America said this week.
“The Navy SEALs shot Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan and Lisa Jackson shot us in Washington,” Cecil Roberts, president of the powerful union, said during an interview Tuesday on the West Virginia radio show MetroNews Talkline.
Roberts blasted Jackson, the EPA administrator, over the proposed regulations, which would limit greenhouse gas emissions from new power plants. Opponents of the regulations, including Roberts, say the new rules would be the death knell of the coal industry. Yeah, why would coal miners oppose Obama? Unthinkable! No way they'd willingly show up at a Romney campaign stop.
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| 934 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 16:18
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If you want me to admit that they were bribed to show up there, Obama is making it WELL worth their time.
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| 935 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 16:19
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No way they'd willingly show up at a Romney campaign stop
And yet they were not given the choice. Or did you miss the part where they were docked a day's pay and told going to the even was mandatory?
What a stupid way to treat people who might be your natural supporters.
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| 936 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 16:22
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What a stupid way to treat people who might be your natural supporters.
And yet Obama kills the coal industry anyway.
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| 937 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 16:46
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Here is the actual radio interview of the CFO where he denies miners were forced to attend.
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| 938 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 16:54
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the original radio broadcast
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| 939 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 17:11
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Sarge
Had you actually clicked on the blue words in #937 you would have realized there was no reason to repost it.
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| 940 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 17:24
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I dont click many of your links B they have a habit of not opening in a new window, but rather of absconding with the one rotoguru is in. So I seldom click on your links.
Besides which, in that radio interview, the miners are emailing the radio show, and telling them that they ARE being made to attend, w/o pay
You lose.
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| 941 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 17:57
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#936: Why would you think coal miners would be Obama's natural supporters?
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| 942 | DWetzel
ID: 25740420 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:04
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“Our managers communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend”
You keep using that word
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| 943 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:08
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What's eating coal country?
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| 944 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:22
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from PDs link;
West Virginia (like most of the rest of Appalachia) is older, whiter, less educated, more religious and more rural than most of America—attributes that correlate with voting Republican.
What that doesnt explain, this does:
Mike Teets, the only Republican on the Hardy County Commission, denies that race has anything to do with local antipathy towards Mr Obama. But he is concerned that the president may be a Muslim, secretly in cahoots with Osama bin Laden, whose killing he could have faked. He also wonders whether the president might be gay.
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| 945 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:23
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#943 The United Mine Workers of America rarely sit an election out.
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| 946 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:25
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#944 There is a boatload about Obama I haven't told you.
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| 947 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:29
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#945: And yet they declined to endorse Obama. It doesn't surprise me that the right doesn't have a very clear focus on what drives unions.
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| 950 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 17:56
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Scott Walkers weak job performance
Over the last three months, Wisconsin has lost 11,500 jobs and the Walker jobs deficit (the difference between where we are and where Wisconsin would be if growth had happened at the national rate) is 17,300.
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| 951 | wolfer
ID: 2810241021 Sat, Nov 10, 2012, 22:24
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A couple of things from the election...
Two Democratic Senators lost their seats, so the Senate is back in Republican hands at the SAME NUMBER as it was pre-recall.
Also of Wisconsin's 72 counties....
Number of counties that went for Walker and Obama - 23
Number of counties that went for Walker and Baldwin - 24
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| 952 | Boldwin
ID: 542463020 Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 00:35
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What liberals do.
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| 953 | Seattle Zen
ID: 25531211 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 18:16
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Prosecutors allege Gov. Scott Walker was at the center of an effort to illegally coordinate fundraising among conservative groups to help his campaign and those of Republican state senators fend off recall elections during 2011 and '12, according to documents unsealed Thursday.
Things are getting interesting again in Wisconsin. Christie in NJ, Walker in Wisc., which Rep. governor with 2016 aspirations will be the next to garner prosecutorial attention?
Prosecutors allege Johnson and Jordahl acted as a "hub" to coordinate activities among Walker's campaign and a host of conservative groups to help Walker and other Republicans in the recall elections. Those recalls were sparked by the GOP move in 2011 to sharply limit collective bargaining for most public employees.
Outside groups are allowed to work together on campaign activity, but there are limits on their ability to work with candidates. Generally, they are supposed to remain independent and not allowed to strategize with candidates.
The Wisconsin Club for Growth maintains that prohibition does not apply to them and other conservative groups because they did not run ads explicitly telling people how to vote. Their efforts praised Walker and criticized his Democratic opponent, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, but escaped regulation because they did not use the phrases "vote for" and vote against," they argue.
The prosecutors dispute the club's arguments, saying the work by outside groups amount to illegal campaign contributions. If groups can in effect give candidates unlimited sums from corporate entities, Wisconsin will turn into a free for all, they contend.
Prosecutors contend the Wisconsin Club for Growth doled out money to other groups to help Walker or other Republicans — nearly $3.5 million to the Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce, the state's largest business lobby, and $4.6 million to Citizens for a Strong America. The Club for Growth has sued seeking to block the prosecution. I think their argument is that armed law enforcement execution of search warrants is reserved for poor people of color in the US and that there are no campaign laws anymore..."
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| 954 | Seattle Zen
ID: 25531211 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 18:17
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Nice little summary from the WA Post
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| 956 | Boldwin
ID: 525232018 Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 19:26
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Media malfeasance
Both State and Federal courts have already long ago thrown this case out as meritless and yet the liberal media around the country are misleading readers into thinking these are new relevant charges by their dishonest use of verb tense.
Famous Obama voting liberal lawyer and leading blogger Ann Althouse explains the outrageous media abuse and why they always keep her from taking her natural place on their side. Their outrageous behavior.Looking around at some local Madison sites and at some less-local lefty sites, I see a scary love of prosecutorial aggression and overreach. The slavering enthusiasm is so off-putting, so much at odds with the liberal values I believe in, that I feel pushed away onto the side of conservatives with whom I have little reason to affiliate. Instapundit's take: WISCONSIN’S “DEEP STATE” hasn’t given up on Scott Walker. This is just a spoiling attack to try to keep him out of action for 2016.
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| 957 | Boldwin
ID: 525232018 Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 19:31
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And the people pretending outrage, are the same people who are happy to have an IRS that harasses and impedes one party's political campaigns for the benefit of the other at the request and coordination of Dem congressmen and senators and WH.
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| 958 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916 Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 20:56
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That would have been a good point had you excluded at the request and coordination of Dem congressmen and senators and WH, a claim of which you have no proof.
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| 959 | Boldwin
ID: 525232018 Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 21:14
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Proof
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| 960 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916 Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 21:49
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From the Townhall article:
information shows the IRS and Cummings' staff asked for nearly identical information from True the Vote President Catherine Engelbrecht about her organization, indicating coordination and improper sharing of confidential taxpayer information.
That's certainly damning, if not concrete proof. The claim is that at the request and coordination of Dem congressmen and senators and WH.
Just because the attorney for True the Vote claims:
"Lois Lerner and the top brass at the IRS came to see its role as somehow the enforcement arm of the Democratic Party and Democratic members of Congress and the White House and they began to carry out these activities to pursue conservative groups because these politicians were demanding it......When these Democratic politicians said, 'Go do something about these conservative groups because they're challenging us and we don't like what they're saying about us,' the IRS took it upon itself to do their bidding to try and silence these groups"
she's not only speculating, she's actually making up quotes from unnamed Democratic politicians.
Now, it's not a stretch to believe her speculations and suspicions are true, but, from what can be gleaned from the article, only Congressman Cummings(actually his staff, but that's enough) is indicated as coordinating and sharing confidential information. There may be more evidence, and a special prosecutor should be appointed independent of Holder. But that article provides no proof of multiple congressmen, any senators, or the White House being involved with the IRS calamity.
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| 961 | Boldwin
ID: 525232018 Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 22:49
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The number two Internal Revenue Service official was in direct contact with Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) about scrutinizing tea party and conservative groups throughout the 2012 election, according to documents made available Wednesday.
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| 962 | Boldwin
ID: 525232018 Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 23:00
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As recently as last year, seven Democratic Senators sent a letter to the IRS “urging them to similarly investigate these outside political organizations.” According to a press release from one signer of the letter, Senator Schumer, the letter “was signed by Senators Charles E. Schumer, Michael Bennet, Sheldon Whitehouse, Jeff Merkley, Tom Udall, Jeanne Shaheen and Al Franken. It follows an earlier letter, sent to the IRS by the same of group of senators last month, that also urged the IRS to better enforce rules pertaining to 501(c)4 organizations.”
In a different New York Times article in 2012, this struggle between Democrats pressuring the IRS and Republicans concerned about constitutional rights is noted. The article mentions that the IRS sent “dozens of detailed questionnaires to Tea Party organizations applying for nonprofit tax status, demanding to know their political leanings and activities.” The article goes on to point to political motivations on the part of Democrats.
“Democrats, whose 501(c)(4)s have been outraised significantly by their Republican counterparts, have been pressing the I.R.S. for a response on the tax questions.” The Senate Democrats’ lesson seems to be when that your organizations can’t raise as much money as your opponents’ equivalent organizations, you take illegal action.
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| 963 | Boldwin
ID: 525232018 Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 23:14
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WH involvement. Just follow the trail of crashed computers and WH visits.
BTW, really? You guys think it's even possible to accept as innocent the story, "Oops, my computer crashed...oops, also I melted my hard drive down so you can't retrieve the info."?
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| 964 | Boldwin
ID: 525232018 Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 23:22
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BTW, those 7 senators in #962 are brazenly engaged in promoting partisan IRS harassment several years after they were caught and called on it. They have no shame, no fear of repercussions, supremely confident the MSM will cover their a&&es, no intention of following the guide of ethics or the law.
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| 965 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916 Sat, Jun 21, 2014, 10:06
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You guys think it's even possible to accept as innocent
Is that how you interpret my statement from #960?
a special prosecutor should be appointed independent of Holder
Are you talking to some other 'you guys,' or are you just talking to yourself?
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| 966 | Boldwin
ID: 145312114 Sat, Jun 21, 2014, 15:33
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How many liberals will say it and back it up with actions?
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| 967 | wolfer
ID: 44824920 Sun, Sep 21, 2014, 17:29
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They are at it again...............................
There is a state law in Wisconsin that says that the party who got the most votes in the previous election gets to be listed first in the next election. In 2010, the republicans got the most votes and all was happy. In 2012, the democrats got the most votes.
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