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Subject: Domestic terrorist shoots abortion doc in church
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [154552311] Sun, May 31, 2009, 18:46
In front of his wife. Suspect in custody.
Who will no doubt claim his desire to be a martyr for his cause. |
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| 223 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 10:11
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You aparently believe people should be free to kill their babies and skip away from the corpse free to fornicate again, without those pesky child-rearing responsibilities getting in the way.
you apparently believe it's acceptable to ignore what anyone else says.
i don't believe anyone here is advocating abortion as a form of birth control - personally, i find it disgusting. yet you keep hanging on your already refuted point because it's the only life preserver you have.
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| 224 | CanadianHack
ID: 31645103
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 10:13
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Since your god takes life so frivilously, he must pay with his own.
That is very clear from your logic, if you were using any.
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| 225 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 10:13
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Hack
BTW [in harmony with nearly every culture's most early history accounts] in Japanese caligraphy the symbol for a large ship is the shape of a ship's hull with eight occupants.
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| 226 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 10:15
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There is all the difference in the world between murder and a justice system imposing execution as a punishment for murder.
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| 227 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 10:21
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Riiight. Nice train wreck at the end there, Baldwin. - PD
More on that historic note: In order to drown out the cries of the babies as the babies slid down into the fire...
...drummers would drum continuously.
They'd just drum away like the little drummer boy from some people's favorite christmas carrol.
Pahrumpahpumpum.
Like so many drummers in this thread in fact.
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| 228 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 10:28
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Don't bother to try to distance yourself from Tiller's killer when, in the end, you use the same Biblical OT imagery as he did.
Is aborting a brain-dead baby justification for Tiller to pay with his own life? How about 50 brain-dead babies?
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| 229 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 10:42
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Drum on PD.
Try not to obfuscate the ugly reality with a few excedingly rare exceptions to the rule.
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| 230 | Building 7
ID: 471052128
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 10:59
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Re: #62 ..... They said on the news he did 60,000 abortions in his lifetime. My estimate of 44,400 was not too far off. Still not sure if that is the record. That's over 10 times the amount of soldiers lost in Iraq, for comparison.
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| 231 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 11:06
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i like how Baldwin ignores points in which he has no argument - such as the one where he continues to lie about the positions of posters on this board.
but, i suppose as long his God accepts lying, he'll continue to do it.
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| 232 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 11:11
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Try not to obfuscate the ugly reality with a few excedingly rare exceptions to the rule.
Oops. I guess in a thread about a third-trimester abortion doctor it is out-of-place to talk about third-trimester abortions and the ramifications of the same.
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| 233 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 13:24
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Because they're only performed on braindead or completely dead babies? Puleeze. You can rest your little drummer boy arms when the dead ones slide down Molech's arms.
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| 234 | sarge33rd
ID: 116461011
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 13:57
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nobody said ONLY on those two conditions Boldwin.
Either of those two and/or the mother's life being in jeopardy...constitute 3 separate conditions under which a 3rd trimester abortion would/could be explored as an option.
If you wish to refute something; please quit paraphrasing it inaccurately, and then refuting said inaccurate phrase.
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| 235 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 14:34
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Reread PD#228 and you will see that I was exactly dealing with exactly what PD was speaking about. And he was deliberately setting up a strawman that Tiller's abortions were braindead babies so why worry.
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| 236 | sarge33rd
ID: 13647119
Sat, Jul 11, 2009, 12:24
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No he wasn't. He asked a straight forward question, and did not in the course of that question; pose it as the only reason for the abortions. Since you did not answer it, I will simplify it for you and ask it again:
Is aborting a brain-dead baby justification for Tiller an abortionist to pay with his own life?
How about 50 brain-dead babies?
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| 237 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Sat, Jul 11, 2009, 12:38
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Baldwin is absolutely desperate to try to excuse Tiller's killer without abandoning his position that the babies Tiller specialized in aborting were the ones he claims a woman need not be forced to carry to term.
He also seems intent on not studying exactly what Tiller did other than to use his as a characterization.
Third-trimester abortions are not convenience abortions. Baldwin simply can't get his black/white head around the gray of women entering their third trimester with (for example) news that their baby will die, at latest, within a week of birth of a horrible disease.
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| 238 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Sat, Jul 11, 2009, 18:56
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Baldwin is absolutely desperate to try to excuse Tiller's killer
I have absolutely no interest in absolving Tiller's killer. He took something that belongs to God.
without abandoning his position that the babies Tiller specialized in aborting were the ones he claims a woman need not be forced to carry to term. - PD
Complete BS. Tiller was just an abortionist with even less scrupples than most. Trusting his word on the stated excuse is ludicrous.
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| 239 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Sat, Jul 11, 2009, 19:25
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Trusting his word
you may very well be the last person on this board to be able to judge honesty.
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| 240 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 10:29
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These guys of course are your trusted sources...
Snopes and UPI without comment [until pressed], scrub archives and change Obama's reputed birthplace the day after WND points out discrepencies.
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| 241 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 10:44
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Get.
A.
Life.
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| 242 | sarge33rd
ID: 146181210
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 11:18
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I echo 241
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| 243 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 11:45
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According to Baldwin, this doesn't exist:
Also, that people who have actually seen and touched the certificate don't exist.
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| 244 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 11:46
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because, of course, World Nut Daily is a completely accurate source of information. Their credibility is just as bad as yours Baldwin.
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| 245 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 18:47
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That is a short form anyone in the world can get just by asking for one long after the fact. Many foreign born people have that form. It is the long form that he will not release no doubt because he cannot produce one. If he is willing to produce that why wouldn't he also be willing to produce the long form?
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| 246 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 19:34
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please produce your long and short form birth certificate Baldwin.
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| 247 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 19:45
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Many foreign born people have that form
Ha. Many of those foreigners born in Hawai'i have that form...
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| 248 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 19:48
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Baldwin--show me where on this form that an applicant can request the hospital (long) form rather than the Certificate of Live Birth. Take your time.
And why, oh why, do you think we don't notice that you change your target like a drunk Irishman tossing midgets?
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| 249 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 21:54
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I've been talking about the long form since day one, PD. And I very early on linked you to foreign born people who had that short form.
And that's just a silly question, it's not an application form.
You can ask for a short form much after a birth and you can have been born anywhere to get it.
The long form I believe you would get upon going home from the hospital.
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| 250 | Boldwin
ID: 467910
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 22:13
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Don't get me wrong, there are many other reasons Barack doesn't qualify, the citizenship of his father, the age of his mother, what his residence in Indonesia reveals about his citizenship, etc.
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| 251 | bibA
Leader
ID: 261028117
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 22:33
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The long form I believe you would get upon going home from the hospital.
I don't remember getting a "long form birth certificate" upon going home from the hospital. However, the birth certificate I did have in later years was given to me by my parents. That birth certificate was certainly no longer than the one attributed to be Obama's, and actually a bit shorter. It was sufficient to obtain my driver's license, draft card, and passport. It had the place of birth, date, my parents names, state seal, etc.
I did lose it once, and requested another. The new one was identical to the "short form" I had originally possessed.
Just recently my brother needed to obtain a copy of his birth certificate, and it also was no longer than Obama's.
Do any of you out there besides Baldwin have these "long form birth certificates"? Maybe there is something wrong with the one I have, but it has certainly been sufficient to adequately prove my identity and place of birth for more than half a century.
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| 252 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 23:21
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Barack Obama is a US citizen. The citizenship of his father doesn't matter (neither did the fact that Kenya automatically confers temporary citizenship on all children born of Kenyan citizens).
Age of the mother doesn't matter either. His Indonesian residence didn't change squat.
All these are just wacky backup plans.
Long form? Seriously? You want Barack Obama to locate a hospital form which his family never received, because you disbelieve the Certificate of Live Birth?
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| 253 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 23:53
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i still haven't seen Baldwin's long form birth certificate either. best i can tell, he was born of a gay Muslim cleric from Cairo, and an illegal immigrant Latina from Nuevo Laredo. oh, and that he was born in Singapore.
i mean, that's what i heard, and until baldwin produces the long form birth certificate, i have no reason to take his word on it.
god. re-reading that, it sounds so absurd. and people actually believe similar about Obama. oy.
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| 254 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Dec 19, 2009, 16:03
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Good lord, this would be a horrific thing.
Online posting of women's abortion information challenged in Oklahoma
I just can't imagine how such a thing isn't a total invasion of privacy.
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| 255 | sarge33rd
ID: 161128207
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 08:34
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The law, passed in May, requires doctors to fill out a 10-page questionnaire for every abortion performed, including asking the woman about her age, marital status, race and years of education. In all, there are 37 questions the women are to answer.
Critics say the act would be harassment and an invasion of privacy.
State Sen. Todd Lamb helped draft the abortion legislation and describes it as "a common sense measure with bipartisan support." He said the left has tried to skew the law's intent through a campaign of misinformation.
"We're not trying to embarrass anybody, hurt anybody or make anybody's identities known. That's not the purpose of the legislation," the Republican lawmaker said.
"We want to collect hard data that can be a useful tool in helping prevent future unwanted pregnancies."
I wonder, will they require similar forms from Doctors treating a patient who smokes for cancer? I mean, could they not gather data for the prevention of cancer that way?
SUCH a blatant and obvious intent to harass. This need to be struck down and HARD.
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| 256 | sarge33rd
ID: 161128207
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 08:38
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The law also bars women from seeking abortions solely because of the sex of the fetus, with fines up to $100,000 for doctors who "knowingly violate" it.
Since RoevWade made no call on this topic, ie...there is nothing I know of the federal law which precludes a woman from getting an abortion for whatever reason. (it is not relevant as to why she wants it done)....would this part of the bill not place the entire bill in violation? Wouldn't this, render the law moot?
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| 257 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 13:51
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Re: 255-- in principle, this is a good thing IF USED PROPERLY. Frankly Sarge, I think that your blanket opposition to this is the equivalent of the people crying about "death panels".
Re: 256-- Gosh, I hope not. You're probably technically right, but that's the sort of stuff we do need to be stopping. Similarly, the Constitution doesn't say anything, so I ought to have the right to bear nuclear rocket launchers on my person.
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| 258 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 21:35
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The anti-abortion activist charged with gunning down a Wichita, Kansas, doctor cannot use the "necessity defense" at trial, a judge ruled Tuesday.
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| 259 | Myboyjack
ID: 560301921
Wed, Jan 19, 2011, 22:31
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If he'd shot this doctor/monster, would he have been a hero?
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| 260 | sarge33rd
ID: 280311620
Wed, Jan 19, 2011, 23:10
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One murderer, murdering another; doesnt make the first any less guilty. Though yes, that Dr is in fact a monster.(Assuming he is guilty of the allegations. Which the article certainly seems to strongly indicate.)
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| 261 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Thu, Jan 20, 2011, 07:57
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and...there is a WORLD of difference between this "doctor", and other doctors who perform abortions.
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| 262 | Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Jan 20, 2011, 08:17
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The world of difference is mostly that he gave up the pretence that dismembering a child was a medical proceedure.
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| 263 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jan 20, 2011, 09:44
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Well, that is a difference all right. But this one was clearly the kind of back alley abortionist that the Left has been trotting out as a boogeyman for 40 years.
This is an oversight failure on a massive scale.
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| 264 | Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Jan 20, 2011, 10:26
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And the oversight was allegedly due to the reticence of a pro-abortion administration to investigate the numerous allegations and red flags for fear of offending its pro-abortion constituentcy.
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| 265 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jan 20, 2011, 11:21
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Sounds like it.
I've been debating with pro-choicers for years about the fact that they have, by-and-large, abandoned the "safe" part of "safe and legal." There is no advantage to women if legal abortions are performed exactly as we are told illegal abortions were.
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| 266 | Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Thu, Jan 20, 2011, 14:06
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to me, this guy is a serial killer. he stabbed to death children.
but to put every doctor who performs abortions in the category of this monster is not just.
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| 267 | Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Jan 20, 2011, 15:26
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Tree- I agree with you that legally he was different. I see no moral difference in stabbing the child on the table or in the cervical canal, however. Equally monstrous.
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| 268 | biliruben
ID: 41431323
Thu, Jan 15, 2015, 09:46
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email
"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims."
"In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun"
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| 269 | biliruben
ID: 271048311
Thu, Jan 15, 2015, 12:05
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Link.
Not sure what the deal is and how to free the pop-up for most of my browsers, but that "create a link" thing only works on 1 of 4 browsers for me. Any idea how to have chrome release the hostage for rotoguru?
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| 270 | Mith
ID: 3692387
Thu, Jan 15, 2015, 12:08
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You could just
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| 271 | biliruben
ID: 561162511
Thu, Jan 15, 2015, 12:17
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Yeah. I do it just infrequently enough that I have to look up the syntax every time. The mind. It goes. The fog is closing in!!
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| 272 | Boldwin
ID: 510591420
Thu, Jan 15, 2015, 19:53
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Ahh, so muslim terrorists are a miniscule problem in the grand scheme of things.
Riiiight.
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