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Subject: Remarkable People Posted by: Myboyjack - [121159118] Tue, Mar 29, 2005, 20:44 For the past couple of years I've been reading, exclusively, biographies and autobiographies. I've not been particularly discriminating; i've not sought out the most highly acclaimed ones or anything. I've got a big library in my home, the product of years of raiding yard sales and used book stores, and I've just finished one book and grabbed the next one that caught my eye, suaually without ever even considering the author. Anyway, I have in mind to make a list of the most remarkable people of the past, say 100 years, and I hope ya'll will join in. The criteria are thus: 1. The choices are to be personal, gut opinion, but not personal acqaintances. That is, i want people who are remarkable to you on a personal level, but that are people "known to the world." (Not some Sunday School teacher or whatever) 2. They are to people who were, in your opinion, forces for good in the world. No Adolph Hitlers allowed. 3. They hav to have been alive in 1900 or thereafter. Here's my working list, in order: 1. Gandhi - I don't think this one's really close, for me, anyway. His philosphy of life, his story, his effect and his message are as close as a human will come to the ideals of Christ. 2. Ray Charles - To watch him perform was to watch an artisitic genious create a new work every time. I fully believ he was on a level of Mozart or Michaelangelo. I treasure the oppotunity of getting to see him perform as much as I would getting to see La Pieta created. Matchless. I'm listening to Hallelujah, i Love Her So right now. I just don't have words. 3. Winston Churchill. Dudes, he had ADD. He was a shameless self-promoter. He was, I think, not a very moral person. He was a pompous, British aristocrat. He was everything I hate, really. I think i would have liked him. He did more to save Western Civilazation than any other in this 20th century, and he could really write. I read he boigraphy on Marlboro. Good stuff. 4. Pope John Paul II I'm just going to leave this one alone right now. He's easily on this list. The rest of list, to be continued: 5. Mark Twain 6. Werner Herzog 7. Queen Victoria 8. Albert Einstein 9. Muhammad Ali 10. Lenin | |||||||
| 24 | MadAndRabidDOG ID: 412552721 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 10:57 |
Have to agree with Baldwin on Bush 2. That guy might have started something unthinkable. We'll see in few years I guess. | ||||||
| 25 | blue hen Leader ID: 710321114 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 11:03 |
MadAndAnnoyingDog - I'll suspend my policy of ignoring you for one short post. If you don't know about the good that Eddie Vedder has done, you should pay a little more attention. Every time there's a cause or a benefit that really matters, there's Pearl Jam up at the forefront. They even tried to take on Ticketmaster so poor little bastards like you can attend concerts. As for Vince McMahon, he is VERY remarkable. Think about the product he's trying to sell. Do you think there's a person in this world that could sell a product like that anywhere near as well as Vince? I almost listed Eric Bischoff, except that when Vince and Eric went head-to-head, Bischoff lost. | ||||||
| 27 | Myboyjack Dude ID: 014826271 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 11:08 |
Orwell is a brilliant choice. Let me emphasize "remarkable" doesn't mean important. | ||||||
| 28 | blue hen Leader ID: 710321114 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 11:20 | Are you on crack? It's my list. That's why I posted it. Who cares who else has been mentioned? | ||||||
| 29 | MadAndRabidDOG ID: 412552721 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 11:21 |
Warren Buffett Making yourself worth 42 billion dollars is pretty remarkable. | ||||||
| 31 | Judy ID: 36235269 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 11:30 | Cool...let's mock everything...money is not what count's...but it can afford you the price of sin...but still you won't be able to buy your way into heaven. | ||||||
| 32 | MadAndRabidDOG ID: 412552721 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 11:33 |
Sam Walton- Walmart founder Dave Thomas- Wendy's founder Ray Kroc- McDonald's founder Any of the guys that started these HUGE companies are remarkable. Bugsy Siegel- the guy who invented Las Vegas | ||||||
| 34 | soxzeitgeist ID: 5246912 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 11:46 |
Theodore Roosevelt John Muir The Dali Lama Michael Collins K. Pattabhi Jois I'll have to think about others, thats the "off the top of my head" list. | ||||||
| 35 | FRICK@Work ID: 220211 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 12:13 |
George Eastman Nikola Tesla Guglielmo Marconi Remarkable on the effect their inventions have had on society. | ||||||
| 36 | Tree ID: 76471215 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 12:55 |
1. Martin Luther King, Jr. - simply one of the greatest humans ever, not just in the last 100 years. accomplished more in 39 years than most people could accomplish in 39 lifetimes. it is nearly impossible to fathom someone so young being so important. 2. Bob Marley - another one gone so young, yet left such a legacy. a worldwide legend by the time he died at 36, there are few in the history of music, recorded or otherwise, that were as important as Marley. he transcended music, encompassing spirituality and politics into his entire being - to me, an absolute prophet. my first born child will have the middle name Nesta - Bob Marley's middle name. 3. Mohandas Ghandi - "Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man." - Ghandi. World leaders from GW Bush to Saddam Hussein could learn a lot from a man like Ghandi - sadly, they'd kill or imprison him instead. 4. Norma McCorvey/Sarah Weddington - the plaintiff and lawyer, respectively, in one of the most important SCOTUS cases last century. Although McCorvey has turned her back on choice, there is no doubt that this was a landmark case in the rights of women, and kicked wide open a door of freedom that had been barely creaking open over the previous 50 years. 5. David Ben-Gurion – the father of Israel. He was the main architect. Without him, Israel might not have ever been created, and my people would not have a homeland and a relative sanctity from a world that just 60 years ago tried to extinguish us. 6. The Chinese man who stood up to the tanks in Tiananmen Square – this needs no further description, other than the photo itself:  7. Albert Einstein – Essentially, the father of the Modern World. Where would we be without him? 8. The Wright Brothers – harnessing the power of flight would eventually allow the most ordinary of men to visit the most extraordinary of places, to witness all the beauty this planet has to offer. 9. Kurt Cobain – changed music like no one in the 20 years before him. gave a whole generation of disaffected kids a hero, even if he did take the coward’s way out when the world became more than he could bear. Still, the way he changed the face of music, and influenced more than one generation only 10 years after his death, is remarkable. 10. Rachel Carson – the mother of the environmental movement. Sadly, her words seem to have fallen on deaf ears in this modern world. | ||||||
| 37 | Baldwin ID: 241292815 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:09 | Interesting call on the chinese guy. Going overboard on Einstein tho I am afraid. | ||||||
| 38 | Pancho Villa Sustainer ID: 533817 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:16 |
You younger guys can throw up Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder and even Bob Marley, but if you want a revolutionary musical figure from the the 20th century, it has to be Elvis Presley. I know, he died as a comical parody of the salacious lounge lizard, left a legacy of some of the worst films ever made, and recorded some of the most ridiculous songs ever written. Regardless, his early work combining hillbilly, R & B, blues and gospel paved the way for rock n roll to become the phenomenon it is. Often overlooked in the hype surrounding him, is the fact that the guy was a very good singer, right up to the end. | ||||||
| 39 | Myboyjack Dude ID: 014826271 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:17 |
I don't undestand choices like the Chinese guy or Henry Ford or Norma McCorvey/Sarah Weddington. I understand that they did important or poignant things. What was so remarkable about their life arch, though, that would make them as remarkable to be put on a list with Gahndi or King? I know very little about David Ben-Gurion. I need to remedy that. | ||||||
| 40 | Baldwin ID: 241292815 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:22 |
Yeah, the chinese guy is just a standin for a lot of people who risked a really gruelsome end at the hands of some of the planet's worst thugs. Lech Walesa and Vaclev Havel (sp?) probably deserve consideration. | ||||||
| 41 | Tree ID: 76471215 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:28 |
I don't undestand choices like the Chinese guy or Henry Ford or Norma McCorvey/Sarah Weddington. I understand that they did important or poignant things. What was so remarkable about their life arch, though, that would make them as remarkable to be put on a list with Gahndi or King? i don't believe your qualifications had anything to do with "life arch". to put them on the level of Gandhi or MLK or Marley would be wrong. but to put them on a list? that's another story. McCorvey and Weddington were influential in changing history, and in my opinion, for the betterment of this country. as i said, they kicked wide open a door that had been barely creaking open. The Chinese guy is one of the most memorable images of the last quarter-century, if not longer. it is a simple image that tells an entire story, even if you don't know the story behind it. it is a photo of rebellion, of standing up for your beliefs, no matter how much the odds are stacked against you. | ||||||
| 42 | Myboyjack Dude ID: 014826271 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:39 |
i don't believe your qualifications had anything to do with "life arch". That's fine, I'm trying to clarify, then. I did include an introductory paragraph regarding biographies. Those geneally deal with a "life arch" and that's what I shooting for here. I'm not knocking other choices, just explaining, better, what I'm asking for. In that regard, having done quite a bit of research on Henry Ford as an undergrad, I can't imagine that anyone really thinks his life was all that interesting. His own neighbors were much more remarkable. (Of course, he had unusually interesting neighbors, like TA Edison, erc.) | ||||||
| 43 | Tree ID: 76471215 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:40 |
You younger guys can throw up Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder and even Bob Marley, but if you want a revolutionary musical figure from the the 20th century, it has to be Elvis Presley. while i can see the comparison between Elvis and Kurt in regards to influence, for me, Bob Marley is more than music. he went beyond that. it is spiritual, and he is as close to God as a man can get. Marley moves me like no others. when i hear his music, it takes me some place different. i have visted Graceland, and i have visited Marley's childhood home in Kingston, Jamaica. In Kingston, it was amazing and emotional. at Graceland, it was remarkable in its own sense. i saw people weeping at the grace of Elvis, and i just wanted to type them on the shoulder and say "um, yea. you realize MLK died about 3 miles away, right?" i doubt they did. | ||||||
| 44 | Perm Dude Dude ID: 030792616 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:41 | Howard Hughes had a pretty remarkable life, as did Charles Lindbergh. | ||||||
| 45 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:43 | NPR did a brief profile of Jack Johnson. It sounded like he had a very remarkable life. | ||||||
| 46 | Myboyjack Dude ID: 014826271 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:44 | The boxer? | ||||||
| 47 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:44 | Yeah. | ||||||
| 48 | Perm Dude Dude ID: 030792616 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:46 | I rarely read biographies myself, but two of the best I've read were about Paul Robeson and W.E.B Du Bois, two seminal figures in African American history. Remarkable lives. | ||||||
| 49 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:46 |
Unforgivable Blackness, Ken Burns Sounds like something I should rent. | ||||||
| 50 | Myboyjack Dude ID: 014826271 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:47 | I think that James Earl Jones potrayed him in a movie I caught a part of of not long ago, based on his life. He was married to a white woman, I think, and didn't take crap from anyone about it. That may be a biography to look up. | ||||||
| 51 | Myboyjack Dude ID: 014826271 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:51 | Heh, or maybe bili will just look it up for me. Look at the body on that guy. People were, pounnd for pound, just way stronger back then. Guys wouls fight for 50 rounds with no gloves. Men. Thanks bili, that' going to be a must see, when I find it. | ||||||
| 52 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 428299 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:54 |
Elvis Presley. Was his great innovation anything more than a sexy swagger? His was obviously a powerful presence, one strong enough to make him the first international rock & roll superstar, I guess. But did really he do anything that others before him weren't already doing (aside from gyrate his hips)? I've never studied the topic but I tend to think that Chuck Berry and others had much more to do with inventing rock & roll. If you insist on a revolutionary musician to list among remarkable people of the 20th century, Ray Carles and Les Paul are way before The King. Not sure how I feel about Marley. | ||||||
| 53 | MadAndRabidDOG ID: 412552721 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 13:54 |
The Chinese tank picture is pretty remarkable. I was very surprised that those tanks stopped and didn't run the guy over. He's a hero to 5 billion people in China. | ||||||
| 54 | blue hen Leader ID: 710321114 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 14:01 |
I'd think Paul McCartney had a pretty hefty role. Or Mick Jagger. I stand by my choice of Matt Groening. Sure, it's the greatest television show of all time. But he's done an excellent job bringing the "Lazy American" character farther into the mainstream than anyone else. The Al Bundy, if you will. And Groening is damn funny too. | ||||||
| 55 | Myboyjack Dude ID: 014826271 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 14:02 |
I think I'd tend to agree with MITH's Elvis take. Elvis, as important and talented as he was (and he could sing his a$$ off) was more of a product. Chuck Berry and to a greater degree Ray Charles were geniouses and creators. Chuck Berry is totally underated as an innovator and lyricist. Some of his songs are like rap poetry. | ||||||
| 56 | Baldwin ID: 241292815 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 14:20 | You think China has ever allowed that picture to be published even once? I'd be pleased and amazed. | ||||||
| 57 | Tree ID: 76471215 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 14:37 |
You think China has ever allowed that picture to be published even once? it was seen worldwide, and will continue to be seen. i have little doubt it will, and already has, inspired generations of rebels. | ||||||
| 58 | Pancho Villa Sustainer ID: 533817 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 14:37 |
Chuck Berry and Little Richard were black guys. The thing about Elvis, and to some extent Jerry Lee Lewis, was that they were the first to make "black" music popular among whites, at least the black music that rocked. Prior to Elvis, the popular black artists wer Lena Horne, Dinah Washington, Nat King Cole and the Platters. Elvis paved the way for James Brown, Jackie Wilson and Wilson Pickett. As I mentioned in another thread, my band backed up Chuck Berry one night in Steamboat Springs, Colorado in the early 70s. He only knows one song. | ||||||
| 59 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 428299 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 16:28 |
The thing about Elvis, and to some extent Jerry Lee Lewis, was that they were the first to make "black" music popular among whites, at least the black music that rocked. I think anyone familiar with Les Paul will dispute that. Elvis paved the way for James Brown, Jackie Wilson and Wilson Pickett. I think I can make just as valid a case that Paul was paving the way for BB King 20 years before anyone heard of Elvis. | ||||||
| 60 | Pancho Villa Sustainer ID: 533817 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 16:47 | Les Paul was an amazing guitarist, but neither was he a performer nor, in any way, a stacatto-style blues guitarist like BB King. Paul's style was very fluid and scale based, whereas King's is based on sustained and bent notes, as in common in the blues, especially bending the flat 5. I've always thought of Les Paul as more of a jazz than blues artist. | ||||||
| 61 | Mark L ID: 91572111 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 17:18 |
TEMPORARY THREAD HIJACK The coolest road signs in America We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. | ||||||
| 62 | Cosmo's Cod Piece ID: 481152817 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 17:51 |
PD: I don't feel I slammed anyone. I honestly don't know who the real inventor of the internet is so that's why I said that. Worried about an Al Gore reference. :) Thanking Gorbechov for listening to Reagan was indeed remarkable especially given the prior attitude the U.S. and Russia had towards each other. If Gorbechov held a thick skull, we might still be in a Cold War or have just exited it instead of it being 15+ years ago. As far as Clinton goes, I'm actually thankful he changed my political ideology. I won't criticize him for that. | ||||||
| 63 | Perm Dude Dude ID: 030792616 Wed, Mar 30, 2005, 21:14 |
You keep believing that, CCP. I'm sure Sen. Byrd feels better knowing that, well, I don't know what he'd feel better about. Maybe that you don't feel bad about anything you say, perhaps. | ||||||
| 64 | Cosmo's Cod Piece ID: 481152817 Thu, Mar 31, 2005, 05:59 |
PD: Anything you say boss. I find it interesting that somebody puts Lenin on their list (which they have every right to, it is a free country) and you make no comment whatsoever. I make a "slam" (to use your vocabulary) against a former member of the KKK and you take issue with that? | ||||||
| 65 | Myboyjack ID: 121159118 Sun, May 15, 2005, 19:55 |
Discovery Channel is holding a "contest" allowing viewers to vote for the "greatest American" from a pre-selected list of candidates The list is embarrassing. It doesn't include 2 of the 5 greatest Americans ever: Andrew Jackson and US Grant. It does include Arnold Schwarzenegger, Brett Favre, Condoleezza Rice, and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Geez. | ||||||
| 66 | Baldwin ID: 543312819 Mon, May 16, 2005, 11:15 | One of these days I have to come to grips with why Tesla is treated like the crazy uncle of science. It seems to me he was considerably ahead of his time and remarkably open minded. I haven't studied him closely enuff to remember any ideas of his that were truly luney tunes. | ||||||
| 67 | CCP ID: 11014112 Mon, May 16, 2005, 12:49 |
Baldwin: I read a book about Tesla and he is very interesting indeed. Supposedly, he could bring down a structure using only a tuning fork and a stethascope. By tapping the structure, waiting for the vibration to come back to origin, and then tapping again, he often made buildings wobble violently. I saw a show on the Discovery Channel about him as well and the government supposedly took his notes on how to accomplish that. He also envisioned a world where electricity would be free and travel thru the air where people could harvest it. Truly amazing stuff. He was also rumored to have CREATED a lightning-rich thunderstorm in Colorado by using his own Tesla Coils. | ||||||
| 68 | biliruben ID: 531202411 Mon, May 16, 2005, 12:54 |
re:65 They went a bit overboard on our clowns of quality (e.g. actors and entertainers). Laura Bush's stand-up was good, but not that good. | ||||||
| 69 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 25337239 Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 22:18 |
Ahn Myong Chol In the documentary Children of a Secret State, the tragic lives of homeless North Korean children are captured on video filmed secretly by a photographer who calls himself Ahn Chol. Despite knowing that he will likely be tortured and executed if he is caught, Ahn Chol has made several trips into North Korea to document the desperate conditions there. I watched Children of a Secret State tonight (or at least the hour of it that aired on Discovery Times). The narrator visits NK as an official tourist and contrasts the NK he is allowed to see (and able to secretly film) with the terrible images of squalor and indifference taken by Ahn Chol. As a film its very well done, especially considering that most of the video had to be taken in secret. Probably not terribly informative for most peopel who keep up with current world events, though learning of the underground market for human meat spawed by the food crisis is an eye opener. Certainly a definite must for anyone who harbors any doubt of the brutal indifference of Kim Jong Il. But easily the most fascinating part of the thing is this anonymous and fearless cameraman who risks everything to expose the depths of the crisis, which the government works to keep from the rest of the world. Ahn Chol, winner of the 2001 Rory Peck Trust Award Ahn Chol is a pseudonym. It veils the identity of a young North Korean refugee whose secret filming has provided the outside world with a unique insight into the realities of life in North Korea, the world's most secret state. His pictures showed the world for the first time how starving orphans roam the open-air markets, drinking from fetid puddles, and scavenging through garbage in search of anything edible.MSNBC Ahn Myong Chol is a former prison guard at Hoeryong-Area prison in North Korea. He worked at four different camps and discussed with NBC News what he saw — and committed — at those camps. Below is an edited account of that time, in his own words. (Editor’s note: Ahn’s descriptions are graphic and may not be suitable reading for all.) | ||||||
| 70 | Myboyjack Dude ID: 014826271 Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 22:25 |
though learning of the underground market for human meat spawed by the food crisis is an eye opener. Wow. Thanks for the links MITH. Someone at the office today was watching a video on the net of people at a human meat market and I assumed it was some kind of hoax. Guess not - must have been from Ahn's video. | ||||||
| 71 | Myboyjack ID: 8216923 Fri, Jul 04, 2008, 15:01 |
Agata Mroz: a famed Polish volleyball champion, who died one month ago today at the age of 26. The daughter of basketball and volleyball coaches, Agata became a superstar in her home country when she led the Polish national volleyball team to European championships in 2003 and 2005. When she wasn’t competing in international competition, she was leading her Polish-league team to championships in 2003, 2004 and 2006 and guiding a Spanish-based team to victory in 2007. Once nicknamed the “great wall of China” for her excellence as a blocker, she had a knack for turning what seemed to be opponents’ advantages into points for her side. Her fame was magnified by her beauty, which helped to make the stunning six-foot-three-inch slender blonde a regular fixture in newspapers, magazines and on television. She was one of the principal reasons why the Polish women’s volleyball team ended up being dubbed the “Golden Girls,” a testimony not only to their fair hair and multiple gold medals in international competition, but to their marketing draw. She was a very popular player among her teammates. One of them, Dorota Świeniewicz, said about her constant cheerfulness. “It was incredible seeing the joy she had with each point she won, her hands up in the air; this gesture was typical of Agata after a successful serve, block or attack and it will stick in my mind forever.” She also had a positive, mature influence on her coaches. Coach Andrzej Niemczyk recalled, “She was a wonderful, smiling and honest girl. During one of the camps in Szczyrk, I sat up late in a bar with a glass of whisky. It was way past midnight when I heard someone entering the bar. Agata sat next to me, took my arm and said ‘Coach, you need some sleep because there are two training sessions tomorrow,’ and she took me away from the bar. She took care of me.” When Agata was 17, she was diagnosed with myelodysplastic syndrome, a collection of disorders that prevent the bone marrow from producing sufficient blood cells. Some forms of MDS progress to leukemia, and Agata’s did. In the prime of her sports career, Agata needed to take a sabbatical in 2007 to fight the disease. The first part of her treatment involved many blood transfusions. When her fans discovered that she needed blood, they formed a queue to be donors, giving 3,170 pints. Her condition worsened as she was preparing to marry Jacek Olszewski on June 9, 2007, leaving her too ill to go on a honeymoon. Because of her illness, doctors cautioned her against getting pregnant, but she tried anyway. She was realistic about her slim prospects to beat the disease and, if she were going to die, she at least hoped to be able to give life. She became pregnant soon after marrying. “The news about the child made me feel lucky again,” she said in a February news interview. “I felt happy that I would know what it is to be a mother and that I would give my husband something good of myself.” A few weeks later, doctors discovered her cancer had progressed. They told her that she urgently needed a bone marrow transplant, but she opted to wait until after delivery to receive the transplant lest she imperil her child’s life. She clearly knew the risk she was taking, but considered the reward worth the danger, putting her child’s life above her own. She gave premature birth to a daughter, Lilliana, on April 4. By the time of childbirth, her immune system was so compromised that her doctors did not allow her to hold Lilliana, except to touch her palms briefly before she was moved to another hospital in preparation for the transplant, which was done on May 21. The doctors said that it would take ten days to a month for the new bone marrow to begin to function properly. On Wednesday June 4, however, she caught an infection and despite her doctors’ best efforts and her fighting spirit, they were not able to save her life. Five days later, on what would have been the first anniversary of her marriage, she was buried from the Church where she had joyfully exchanged vows. Her funeral was preceded by two days of mourning in her native Tarnow. At the beginning of the Mass, which was attended by thousands, her husband Jacek rolled a stroller with a sleeping Lilliana to the front of the Church and placed an orange rose next to her remains. In his homily, the celebrant of the Mass, Bishop Marian Florczyk, said that Agata’s life is a witness of “love of life, motherhood, the desire to give life and the heroic love of an unborn child.” He added that she had “passed into a different world, to a different team, to our primary Coach.” Agata Mroz learned the lessons of sports and applied them in life. Accustomed to giving all she had on the court, Agata indeed gave the best of herself to her husband and every last ounce of herself to her daughter. She learned that there were things more important than herself, and she valued Lilliana’s life more than her own — even before she was conceived. 
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| 72 | Boldwin ID: 25282121 Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 19:08 |
You won't have Micheal Jackson to kick around anymore.He suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon and paramedics were unable to revive him. The site says that when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back. The Los Angeles Times adds that Michael Jackson was pronounced dead by doctors this afternoon after arriving at a hospital in a deep coma. | ||||||
| 74 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 21:46 | Tell her to make breakfast? | ||||||
| 76 | Seattle Zen ID: 245282521 Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 22:28 | You've ruined this thread. | ||||||
| 77 | Boldwin ID: 385251912 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 18:46 |
#22 update in retrospect what a difference the Obama Legacy and the Bush legacy. One undoing the work of the other. | ||||||
| 78 | biliruben ID: 28420307 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 23:45 |
Jesus. Twiddle nut Jr. Poisoned US intervention, both at home and abroad, for a generation. Maybe two. What a load of horse-hockey. | ||||||
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