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0 Subject: Hurricane Katrina and the reconstruction of N.O.

Posted by: Tree
- Sustainer [599393013] Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 12:55

the other thread was getting long - and this is a slightly different topic anyway.

Bush allies getting Katrina work

surprise surprise surprise surprise.

guess who?

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Companies with ties to the Bush White House and the former head of FEMA are clinching some of the administration's first disaster relief and reconstruction contracts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh, President Bush's former campaign manager and a former head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, have already been tapped to start recovery work along the battered Gulf Coast.

One is Shaw Group Inc. and the other is Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former head of Halliburton.

Bechtel National Inc., a unit of San Francisco-based Bechtel Corp., has also been selected by FEMA to provide short-term housing for people displaced by the hurricane. Bush named Bechtel's CEO to his Export Council and put the former CEO of Bechtel Energy in charge of the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
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46Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 2824911
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 11:03
I doubt thats true, TF. The lawlessness ended days ago so we know that shouldn't be a concern. Outside areas of total destruction there are plenty of reporters, officials and responders dressed in street clothes and standard uniforms. The French Quarter and other less affected parts of the city appear pretty safe.

Obviously, anyone who lived in areas where there was major destruction are not being asked to return home.
47Texas Flood
      ID: 326462912
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 11:05
44, MM I was watching Fox News(hated by liberals everywhere)this a.m. and heard mention of how some of those cards were being used. Victorias Secret, Hooters, strip clubs and Best Buy to name a few. Govenrnment entitlements do NOTHING to help the poor long or short term.

The answser is EDUCATION, deisre and hard work. I sincerely hope as a country we can address the poverty issue with somthing besides more handouts!
48Tree
      Sustainer
      ID: 599393013
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:05
I sincerely hope as a country we can address the poverty issue with somthing besides more handouts!

i think we should start by cutting taxes to the rich.
49Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:10
I really doubt, in the larger scheme of things, that those people pretending to need FEMA handouts (and get away with it) would be even a drop in the bucket compared to the carpetbaggers we're going to see in the Gulf region, bilking the government out of millions of dollars. It's so far from being comparable it's laughable.

[Of course, the more people are able to take FEMA for a ride, the less capable FEMA appears to be. Can't really have it both ways].
50sarge33rd
      ID: 27563010
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:24
no it isnt. The answer......


get a job on the board at Halliburton. THATS how to bilk the govt out of meaningful handouts.
51Madman
      ID: 43410119
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 14:22
PD 49 -- didn't mean to say that they would be comparable in number, although I do suspect that the government will get SOMETHING for much of its "rebuilding" money.

But the deleterious impact on recovery efficacy from fraudulent claims could indeed be significant and sizeable.

TX 47 -- well, there's help and then there's help. A lot of that cash will indeed be wasted. But a lot of it will be spent fulfilling some very important needs. I don't view poverty as a "lack of cash" problem; I view poverty as primarily a cultural and/or economic problem. But the $2,000 cash give aways were just that -- giveaways. Hooters serves good food. ;) Actually, Best Buy sells home appliances, microwaves, etc. A $40 microwave would quickly pay for itself in reduced food bills for a family on a budget starting with nothing.

The comment about the "return to New Orleans" is rather pathetic. A week ago, they were talking about forcing grandmothers out of the home they had lived in all of their lives ... doing this at gunpoint. And now they are letting people back in? For real? Where is the strategic vision here?

Tree 48 -- i think we should start by cutting taxes to the rich.

Actually, I agree with you here.

Did anyone feel a bit of Hoover de ja vu in Bush's speech? I mean, this was eerie. Hoover's shift in focus to rebuilding early in the 1927 flood helped push him to national prominence. Direct funds for rebuilding from the feds weren't forthcoming, so he pushed subsidized loan programs and such. Utter catastrophe, although it helped catapult him to election in '28. It gave him the appearance of doing something. Of course, he tried some of these mechanisms again in the Depression. It's not clear to me that they were any less effective than much of what FDR did, but they were clearly not effective enough relative to the problem.

A huge government opportunity zone or whatever. Black entrepreneurship in New Orleans. Good grief.
52Madman
      ID: 43410119
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 14:26
Oh yes, and the bigger kicker is the likely hundreds of billions in expenditures to rebuild a city below sea level next to a river that no longer wants to be there.

My fictional children, Zetus, Athena, Epsilon, and Copernicus, all thank you.

Hopefully there is a stonewall of opposition in Congress. More likely, the wall in Congress is like a New Orleans levee built from sand facing a Category 5 hurricane.
53sarge33rd
      ID: 27563010
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 14:36
Heard an interview with the head of the National HAM Radio Operators Organization, state implicitly, that when he contacted FEMA and offered the assistance of HAMS across the country in establishing some temp communications, his organization was rebuffed. He went onto say, this was the first time inhis memory, that his organization was uteerly absent and left out, of the aftermath and recovery.

As for hearing "reports" but no "established facts"....unless youo were there to witness firsthand, reports is all you'll ever have.
54sarge33rd
      ID: 27563010
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:09
Tree 48 -- i think we should start by cutting taxes to the rich.

Actually, I agree with you here.


{sarcasm}me too. those folks with those excursions, envoys and the like, need a taxcut if they're to be able to fill those behemoths with gasoline. Poor cant afford cars, so no need to worry about gas. they can still walk for free.{/sarcasm}
55Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:11
FactCheck.org with a handly timeline.

It's subject to all sorts of contextual references, and perhaps even some corrections. But it's useful to be on the same page.

pd
56Texas Flood
      ID: 326462912
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:19
Sarge, aren't those people who can afford Excursion's & Navigator's and other luxury cars indirectly paying your salary or do you refuse to take commissions on such vehicles?

Mabye you need to open a Liberal only car Lot. You could sell recycled Pinto's, Mavricks, Comets and my all time favorite the AMC Pacers;)>
57Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 2824911
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:23
Comets weren't economy cars.
58Madman
      ID: 43410119
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:31
PD -- good timeline. But even now, federal and state officials alike seem unaware of the full extent of the unfolding disaster.

FEMA's coordinator William Lokey says of the still-rising water:

FEMA's Bill Lokey: In the metropolitan area in general, in the huge majority of areas, it's not rising at all. It's the same or it may be lowering slightly. In some parts of New Orleans, because of the 17th Street breach, it may be rising and that seemed to be the case in parts of downtown.

I don't want to alarm everybody that, you know, New Orleans is filling up like a bowl. That's just not happening.


Koppel ran this quote last night, right before the President's speech, with the attribution given. At the end of his show, he corrected the attribution, claiming that it was Dave Vitter who said it.

Anyone know the truth?
59Tree
      Sustainer
      ID: 599393013
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:38
Tree 48 -- i think we should start by cutting taxes to the rich.

Actually, I agree with you here.


figures. why don't we completely stop taxing the rich. in fact, let's start giving them money.

if you increase taxes by 1 percent for every person who falls into the upper tax bracket, we'd most likely have a TON of surplus, not this rediculous deficit that Bush, and all the fools who felt he was better for this country, have gotten us into.
60sarge33rd
      ID: 27563010
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:45
TF, sell a new Excursion, and you too can make $75. I hate those folks, no they most certainly do not pay. (Most appliance salesmen make more for selling a refrigator at $800, than a car salesman makes for selling a $40,000 car.)

61Texas Flood
      ID: 326462912
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:46
Some were, some weren't. You could get the high preformance 289 4bbl version in the Comet "Cyclone" or you could get a 6 cyl, manual shift "Caliente" or "Custom" IIRC. The real killer was the A/FX 427 big block which as also available in the "Cyclone". This is an extremely rare bird and very valuable.

I'm not sure if the larger head 351 "Cleveland" was ever used in the Comet chassis. I think the 351 was developed after the Comet disappeared. I know they put quite a few of them in Mustangs. I have a friend that owns one:).
62Madman
      ID: 43410119
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:48
Tree 59 -- WTF are you talking about?

To make it 100% clear ... tax breaks, enterprise zones, quota-like minority entrepreneurship programs, etc., are NOT, in my opinion, cost-effective ways of actually accomplishing rebuilding.

Firstly, they are directly distortionary in arbitrary ways (although not as bad, perhaps, as some other programs could be). Secondly, they rely on the after-hurricane distribution of capital when what you are after is a restoration of wealth destroyed by the hurricane. Thirdly, and perhaps most critically, studies simply haven't found a large enough stimulatory effect of these sorts of incentives. Fourth, even if the stimulatory effect exists, the long-run fundamentals are not necessarily changed ... once the breaks disappear, the businesses can too.

If we are going to rebuild New Orleans, then the feds should help rebuild the implicit assets of the city ... its infrastructure. Secondarily, they have to do *something* to address the wealth shock experienced by residents.

Personally, however, I would say "screw" the rebuilding. Put enough into infrastructure to help the historical areas. Give everyone else increased checks directly and let them decide where to live. Also cut-off flood insurance subsidies coupled with direct cash compensation for the implied loss of property as a result of the decision to terminate the flood insurance program.

One of Hoover's biggest failures after the '27 flood was to rely on the post-event distribution of wealth and presume that it would be sufficient to naturally overcome the massive wealth shocks experienced along the Mississippi. Hoover was wrong, although people didn't care too much, since it was mostly black sharecroppers and out-of-power whites that got fubar'd. Bush is headed down this path (although he does seem to ALSO want to spend billions of direct dollars).

Do I have to spell everything out longhand around here?
63Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:57
I don't know where I stand on the idea of rebuilding New Orleans. Witness our rebuilding efforts in Iraq and how corrupt and ineffecient they appear to be, and my stomach turns over a couple of times at the prospect of rebuilding a city "bigger and better" that is already prone to natural disaster. On the other hand, I am in favor of helping the hundreds of thousands of displaced Americans. I may be more eager to rebuild if I thought the government could pull this massive operation off without a massive amount of inefficiency. Then add in the fact that this is going to turn really political really quickly. Four years later, and Ground Zero has made little progress towards much of anything. These are tough times, and I commend Bush's supposed commitment to rebuilding these people's lives (whether it's in New Orleans or elsewhere), but, frankly, I just don't trust the government enough to do the job well.
64Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 2824911
      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 15:58
I owned a '63 Comet that came with a 170ci straight 6. I suppose that might be as close to an economy car as you got in that day, though I doubt the milege was much better than the larger 6s that were more popuular (I think about 250ci - noty familiar enough with Ford engines to know what it was). In any case I don't think there were "economy cars" until almost 10 years later and I don't believe that the Comets of that era fit the bill.

The 170 was a horrible engine with several design flaws, including an intake manifold and valve guides that were not removable or replacable parts. Based on that and the awful time I had looking for replacement parts at junkyards, I don't think there were many of those 170s sold.
65Stuck in the 60s
      Dude
      ID: 274132811
      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 08:56
Whatever expenses the federal govt decides to make, Bush ought to go on national TV and explain to folks the implications of their (presumed) choice to rebuild NO.

First, taxes ought to go up. Bush says govt must cut spending to find the money and that's insane. Raise the damn taxes and tell people why. If there are significant objections, maybe a national referendum is called for.

The feds are great about spending the money but a little lame when explaining where it's coming from.

Don
66Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 25337239
      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 09:36
I have no problem with cutting some spending, especially from that absurd transportation bill. But with people like Tom DeLay telling us that the current budget is a model of efficiency (an "ongoing victory" he said) who knows what they'll try to take away.
67Toral
      ID: 10858715
      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 09:42
"Bigger and better" is a senseless goal. Some proportion of those resettled will be happy to stay in their new home. Everything is anecdotal at this point but it might be half or more of those resettled. There's no reason to encourage people to go back who are not so inclined, so they or their descendants can await the next similar disaster and start the whole process above.

Re the marginalized of New Orleans, as Jack Shafer wrote in an article I linked to in the other thread,
New Orleans' public schools, which are 93 percent black, have failed their citizens. The state of Louisiana rates 47 percent of New Orleans schools as "Academically Unacceptable" and another 26 percent are under "Academic Warning." About 25 percent of adults have no high-school diploma.

The police inspire so little trust that witnesses often refuse to testify in court. University researchers enlisted the police in an experiment last year, having them fire 700 blank gun rounds in a New Orleans neighborhood one afternoon. Nobody picked up the phone to report the shootings. Little wonder the city's homicide rate stands at 10 times the national average.

This city counts 188,000 occupied dwellings, with about half occupied by renters and half by owners. The housing stock is much older than the national average, with 43 percent built in 1949 or earlier (compared with 22 percent for the United States) and only 11 percent of them built since 1980 (compared with 35 for the United States). As we've observed, many of the flooded homes are modest to Spartan to ramshackle and will have to be demolished if toxic mold or fire don't take them first.

New Orleans puts the "D" into dysfunctional. Only a sadist would insist on resurrecting this concentration of poverty, crime, and deplorable schools. Yet that's what New Orleans' cheerleaders—both natives and beignet-eating tourists—are advocating. They predict that once they drain the water and scrub the city clean, they'll restore New Orleans to its former "glory."
Hoping to have better conditions for those who want to return is worthy enough, but there's no reason for gov't to try to inflate the new New Orleans beyond its 'natural' size, which might be about half of what it is now.

Bush by nature promises "bigger and better". I wonder if any American president could resist the temptation to do the same.

Toral

68Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 11:39
What, indeed, is it's "natural" size Toral? And how did you come up with that amount?
69Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 11:50
How about the 'above sea level' part?
70Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 11:59
Gonna get rid of Venice, too?

Let Toral answer the question.
71Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 12:03
Where is our 'Hall of Fame' for greatest posts ever?
I can't wait till the grifters and thugs that run NO get thier hands on the billions that will be poured into the re construction effort.

If you think Katrina was a disaster wait till you see this! - TF
Stick that Texas Flood post right in the HOF.
72Sludge
      ID: 14411118
      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 14:45
What, indeed, is it's "natural" size Toral? And how did you come up with that amount?

The area near the Mississippi River, which is actually the higher part of New Orleans (i.e. where the French Quarter is obviously) may be considered the "natural" area. The area between that and Lake Pontchartrain was swamp land until it was pumped out in the early 1900's, I believe.
73Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 25337239
      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 07:20
An Opportunity for a True Cooperative Movement.
A New New Orleans

By Ralph Nader

New Orleans, the largest city devastated by two Hurricanes, lies in ruins. The reconstruction plans are forming and the usual commercial interests are in the forefront to receive large subsidies, federal overpayments and special immunities from having to meet labor, environmental and other normal legal safeguards for the people.

The corporate looting of New Orleans is underway. The charges of corruption, political favoritism and poor delivery of services by corporate contractors for government projects are already being leveled by the media and some alert officials. After all, over $100 billion of taxpayer monies will be flowing to New Orleans and the Gulf area communities in the next several months.

Plans for the new New Orleans by the large corporate developers are not including many poor or low income families in their plans. These developers see a smaller ritzier New Orleans with gentrified neighborhoods and acres of entertainment, gambling and tourist industries. In a phrase, the corporatization of New Orleans' renewal.

A different more cooperative scenario needs attention. Here is a flattened major city in America where a cooperative economy can take hold that puts people first, that allows the return of low-income families back home with dignity, self-determination and opportunity.
74Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 2824911
      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 09:39
The corporate looting of New Orleans is underway. The charges of corruption, political favoritism and poor delivery of services by corporate contractors for government projects are already being leveled by the media and some alert officials.

Associated Press
When Hurricane Katrina struck, Ashbritt Inc. was well-positioned to take advantage of the torrent of government dollars that followed. The Pompano Beach, Fla., firm had spent years cultivating its relationship with the federal government, contributing tens of thousands of dollars to the Republican Party and, more recently, hiring a powerful firm to lobby the Army Corps of Engineers on "disaster mitigation."

After Katrina hit, Ashbritt was given the largest award to date -- a deal worth up to $1.1 billion from the Corps for debris removal.

It is a story of government ties that is repeated time and again for the winners of the 10 largest Katrina contracts, according to an Associated Press review. At least four of those contracts are now being reviewed for possible waste and abuse.

All 10 companies are located outside the affected Gulf Coast region, most are politically active and most got the work after a limited bidding process.

"How can the government say it is serious about reconstructing the Gulf Coast and edge out small and minority-owned businesses?" said Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., the ranking Democrat on the House Committee on Homeland Security. "The only way to make sure the relief funds reach hurricane victims and damaged areas is to be aggressive about oversight."

The Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Army Corps, which award the bulk of Katrina contracts, say they are committed to handing out contracts based on merit and open competition.

FEMA also has pledged to rebid four contracts worth $100 million each to politically connected firms -- Shaw Group Inc., Bechtel Corp., CH2M Hill Inc. and Fluor Corp. -- that were awarded with little or no competition. Priority will be given to small and minority-owned businesses.

But the winners of even larger Katrina deals -- those valued at $170 million or more -- will not have to rebid or renegotiate. Most of the companies had done previous work for the government, either with earlier hurricanes or in Iraq, and those existing relationships were key to winning new deals.

"This shows the best government contractors don't always get hired, the most politically influential do," said Keith Ashdown, vice president of the watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense. "We need to strive for more competitive bidding."

Some of the deals:

--A $521.4 million contract to Gulf Stream Coach of Nappanee, Ind., for travel trailers to house evacuees. Since 2000, company founder James F. Shea and his family have contributed more than $20,000 to GOP candidates, including President Bush and Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio, chairman of the House Administration Committee.

--A no-bid modification to an existing contract with Landstar Express America Inc. for about $300 million worth of trucking services. Company chairman Jeffrey Crowe recently headed the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, whose political action committee regularly contributes to the GOP.

In a preliminary review, government auditors this week found that the Transportation Department approved payments on the Landstar contract without issuing written orders or otherwise recording them in ways to allow adequate oversight.

--A $236 million rush order with Carnival Cruise Lines for six months of temporary housing. The Miami company or its executives have contributed more than $200,000 each to both the Republican and Democratic parties since 2000.

Sens. Tom Coburn, R-Okla. [who also gets big kudos from me for his efforts to trim Alaskan pork in favor of reconstruction funds in LA -mith], and Barack Obama, D-Ill., have called for investigations into whether the contract price, which amounts to roughly $1,275 a week per passenger if the three ships are at full capacity, is too high.

Also being reviewed is a $287.5 million FEMA contract for temporary housing with Circle B Enterprises Inc., an Ocilla, Ga.-based company that Thompson says is not properly licensed to build manufactured homes in several states.

Circle B says it is not building the actual homes but has subcontracted the work; Carnival officials have said they don't expect to make a profit from their deal. Officials with Gulf Stream Coach could not be reached for comment.

FEMA and Army Corps officials say their early contract awards went to known companies in the interest of providing fast emergency assistance. They denied political connections were a factor.

The Commerce Department, pledging to boost minority contracts, has created a new information center and Web site at www.rebuildingthegulfcoast.gov to help smaller businesses get details and establish contacts on how to competitively bid.

Still, FEMA and the Army Corps have declined to rebid more than the four construction contracts. "A lot of the contracts that were previously awarded without competition are completed or are beyond the point where it would be economically feasible to re-compete," said Larry Orluskie, spokesman for the Homeland Security Department, which oversees FEMA.

Watchdog groups such as Taxpayers for Common Sense say one contract that should be rebid is Ashbritt's. The company, which did about $56.7 million in initial Katrina work based on an existing contract, won a $500 million deal for debris removal with an option for $500 million in additional work based on an expedited, open-bid process.

Since 2000, company executive Randal Perkins and his wife Saily have given $50,000 to the Republican National Committee, $10,000 to the Florida Senate campaign of Republican Mel Martinez, Bush's former Housing and Urban Development secretary, and thousands more to Florida's GOP, according to the nonpartisan Political Money Line.

Ashbritt earlier this year hired the lobbying firm Barbour Griffith & Rogers, which was founded by Republican Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, and paid the firm $40,000 to lobby the Army Corps and Congress, according to Senate records.

Investigators are examining the contract for possible waste as well as whether Ashbritt had improperly registered with the government previously as a small business, allowing it to get priority for certain kinds of work, according to a congressional staff member who spoke only on condition of anonymity because the review hasn't been made public.

Barbour Griffith & Rogers, which began representing Ashbritt in March, declined to comment; Ashbritt referred media inquiries to the Army Corps.

Doug Garman, a spokesman for the Army Corps, said it selected Ashbritt and three other companies for debris removal -- Ceres Environmental Services, Environmental Chemical and Phillips & Jordan, which have all done prior government work -- out of 22 bids submitted in three days. Typically the bidding period is at least 30 days.

The final four companies were chosen based both on cost and on experience and past performance with the government.

"We strive to have full and open competition and normal contracting procedures wherever and whenever possible," Garman said. "Politics and pressure from the outside played no role in the decision."
75Seattle Zen
      ID: 3415339
      Sun, Feb 19, 2006, 13:12

76Boxman
      ID: 33231135
      Mon, Mar 13, 2006, 08:12
Just curious if the left wing drum beat will now change to "Our government doesn't like white people." in the aftermath of what happened in Missouri over the past weekend?

Will NOAA be investigated? Who is the head of NOAA, what did he know, and when did he know it?

At what point exactly did we know that the roofs of those houses and trailer parks failed?

Why did the governor of Missouri not utilize every box fan in every Wal-Mart, Target, or Home Depot in an effort to blow back the winds?

Will Eminem get up in front of a national TV audience and declare that W doesn't like white people?

Will the governor of Missouri rebuild a "Vanilla Missouri"?

Will Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Hillary, and the rest of the A-Team go to these communities and give impassioned speeches about racial inequality and how that was the cause of all this?
77Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 251116277
      Mon, Mar 13, 2006, 08:32
Just curious if the left wing drum beat will now change to...

Whoever it is you refer to by "the left wing drum beat", you've come to the wrong place to find your answer. You should probably head over to the Kanye West fan club message forum. I think you'll find they're much closer to your level of understanding of politics and current events.

Right, right, I know, uncle. Never mind your own broad-stroke insults. You're just too smart for me.
78Tree
      ID: 55121318
      Tue, Jun 13, 2006, 20:42
GAO finds mismanagement of hurricane aid

WASHINGTON - The government doled out as much as $1.4 billion in bogus assistance to victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, getting hoodwinked to pay for season football tickets, a tropical vacation and even a divorce lawyer, congressional investigators have found.

Prison inmates, a supposed victim who used a New Orleans cemetery for a home address, and a person who spent 70 days at a Hawaiian hotel all were able to wrongly get taxpayer help, according to evidence that gives a new black eye to the nation's disaster relief agency.

Federal investigators even informed Congress that one man apparently used FEMA assistance money for a sex change operation.


excellent...
79Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Jun 14, 2006, 10:13
I liked the guy who cleared over $100K by filing under 13 different social security numbers and having all of the aid checks sent to a residence in West Virginia... where he'd apparently been living for a long time, and certainly during all of the 2005 hurricane season.

FEMA obviously had too much to do and not enough hands on deck. Their policy seems to have been err on the side of caution.

They likely envisioned a GAO report where there were accusations that they didn't help out an elderly granny and she later succumbed to cat hair allergies.

Of course, FEMA has now been accused of not doing enough, and also doing too much!
80sarge33rd
      ID: 52544313
      Wed, Jun 14, 2006, 10:16
Of course, FEMA has now been accused of not doing enough, and also doing too much!

If by that statement you mean;

Not doing enough of consequence AND doing too much with relief funds while excercising too little oversight....then I would agree 100%.
81Seattle Zen
      ID: 46315247
      Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 03:57


President Bush on his way from Crawford, Tex., to Washington, peering out the window at the wreckage of Hurricane Katrina thousands of feet below.

That image and that of Condi Rice shoe shopping while thousands were stranded will be this administration's legacy.
82Boldwin
      ID: 46651516
      Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 04:57
Oh puhleeze. Condi Rice' responsibility with respect to disaster prevention and relief was what now? Until you brought the issue up I had never even heard of it and I am pretty aware. Doubtful her shoeshopping will be some legacy but hey, it worked beyond all reason while you were demonizing Imelda so what the hey, give it a shot huh?
83soxzeitgeist
      ID: 0731286
      Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 11:35
Boldy, please tell me that's not a left handed defense of the Marcos regime.
84Perm Dude
      ID: 546591611
      Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 22:14
Even Anne Rice is getting out.

Haven't seen any news on this, but this is her house. I've always heard it was a nice house--too bad they don't have any pictures up.

It looks like it is, by far, the most expensive piece of property in N.O. on the market.
85Perm Dude
      ID: 5381919
      Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 12:10
On the two year anniversary of the disaster, some conservatives send a message to those who never got promised aid: Get over it
86Seattle Zen
      ID: 86541617
      Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 12:37


87Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 19:54
I had no idea Six Flags New Orleans was still closed. Luckily, some urban explorers can get in and take some eerie pics.
88boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 15:46
Cool pictures though i thought they were going to close the park.
89Boldwin
      ID: 910431619
      Sat, Nov 17, 2012, 19:36
I take it everything is hunky-dory now. No mention of Katrina.

It was a tossup between whether the media would drop Katrina FEMA coverage or Sandy FEMA stories first.

Tho for the life of me I can't see what O did better.
90biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 06:31
He put people in charge who respected, not despised, the thing they were supposed to manage. Makes all the difference.



91biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 06:33
Give us our beaches back.

More of the same as PV has been rightly harping on. Where are the true conservatives.

By increasing the value of shoreline property and encouraging rampant development, the trend toward privatizing formerly public space has contributed in no small measure to the damage storms like Hurricane Sandy inflict. Tidal lands that soaked up floodwaters were drained and developed. Jetties, bulkheads and sea walls were erected, hastening erosion. And sand dunes — which block rising waters but also profitable ocean views — were bulldozed.

It didn’t have to be this way. In 1967, Bob Eckhardt, a first-term congressman from Texas, came to Washington determined to do for the nation what he had done for the Texas coastline. As a state legislator, Mr. Eckhardt had passed the nation’s first open beaches law, the Texas Open Beaches Act of 1959, which defined all land below the vegetation line as belonging to the state for use by the people.

Rather than a departure, this bill was a restoration of the ancient right of the public to the foreshore — a right dating from Roman civil law that was incorporated into English common law, transported to the American colonies and finally preserved in the new nation in what came to be known as the Public Trust Doctrine. Sadly, each state interpreted that doctrine differently. While on the West Coast, a strong tradition of public beach access prevailed, along much of the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico, and especially along the crowded Northeast corridor, states tended to adopt a very narrow interpretation. Some states maintained that the Public Trust Doctrine covered only the public’s right to fishing and navigation, and still others largely ignored it.

While Mr. Eckhardt’s bill was, in the truest sense, conservative, its effects on the Texas coastline were nothing short of radical. The fences and jetties that beachfront property owners had constructed to restrict public access were dismantled. In some instances, buildings were torn down. Slowly, the beach returned to a more natural state.
92boikin
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      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 11:25
Follow up to that:
No beach is better than the prospect of letting others on the beach.

as a follow up to that they ended up just not renourishing the sand in front of the properties that sued. Which means those who sued got free sand and don't give up there beach to the public...That is subsidy for the rich I don't support.
93biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 12:53
I love that word. Renourishing. I don't know what it means in this context (dumping a shitload of sand?), but I love it anyway.
94Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 14:17
After Kelo, the idea of private property rights has about disappeared. It'll be interesting to see if SCOTUS tries to roll back Kelo with this case.
95Perm Dude
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      Mon, Jul 21, 2014, 16:57
When you drink the kool-aid, this is what you get: 29% of Louisiana GOP members believe Obama is to blame for poor federal Katrina response.

[28% put the blame on George W. Bush. Clearly those people don't realize that blaming Bush is so 2009]
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