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Subject: Warrior UConn Speech Posted by: Great One - Sustainer [053272014] Mon, Mar 27, 2006, 23:34 | |||||||
| 1 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Mon, Mar 27, 2006, 23:39 | University of Connecticut College Republicans decided it would be a good idea to bring in some new viewpoints to foster a full debate of current issues that are in the spotlight. Unfortunately, this particular speaker did not, “measure up to our standards,” according to a college Republican spokesperson. The man known in his wrestling days as the Ultimate Warrior reportedly espoused views described as racist and homophobic. | ||||||
| 2 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Mon, Mar 27, 2006, 23:42 |
So he is nuts lol... and a riot nearly started as a result, as many of you know. Was this ever discussed last year when it occured? | ||||||
| 3 | Boldwin ID: 49626249 Tue, Mar 28, 2006, 06:02 | Outstanding. | ||||||
| 4 | Tree ID: 47247285 Tue, Mar 28, 2006, 06:51 |
i dont remember there actually being footage released until now. i remember the speech, and it probably got wider recognition on pro wrestling news sites as opposed to regular news. he is completely nuts. his obvious brain damage is probably related to his massive steroid abuse in the 80s. | ||||||
| 5 | Great One ID: 11240288 Tue, Mar 28, 2006, 09:40 |
I thought I remember originally seeing it on my msn homepage... first thing that came up when I googled. Hartford Advocate The Ultimate Warrior, like just about any professional wrestler, has been involved in his fair share of over-the-top moments. A voodoo curse was placed on him by Papa Shango, causing him to vomit profusely. Another rival wrestler, the Undertaker, once attacked him from behind and put him inside an airtight casket. On more than one occasion he fought his way out of a body bag. He even ripped up an Iraqi flag in the middle of the ring. Although the Ultimate Warrior has long since retired from the world of professional wrestling (last appearing in the mid-1990s), he is far from finished producing outrageous moments. Now known only as Warrior, the former wrestler is a conservative speaker, making his way around the college circuit. And why not? Anyone whose career peaked while body-slamming Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania VI is certainly qualified to speak to college students on liberalism's | ||||||
| 6 | biliruben ID: 531202411 Tue, Mar 28, 2006, 09:48 |
Careful, fellers. Don't give this guy too much publicity. The chairmanship of The President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports is vacant. This guy looks about as qualified as Brownie. Maybe more. | ||||||
| 7 | Tree ID: 1411442914 Tue, Mar 28, 2006, 10:44 |
GO emailed me and asked me to post this... THE HARTFORD ADVOCATE COURTESY RUSS PASSIG The Ultimate Warrior, like just about any professional wrestler, has been involved in his fair share of over-the-top moments. A voodoo curse was placed on him by Papa Shango, causing him to vomit profusely. Another rival wrestler, the Undertaker, once attacked him from behind and put him inside an airtight casket. On more than one occasion he fought his way out of a body bag. He even ripped up an Iraqi flag in the middle of the ring. Although the Ultimate Warrior has long since retired from the world of professional wrestling (last appearing in the mid-1990s), he is far from finished producing outrageous moments. Now known only as Warrior, the former wrestler is a conservative speaker, making his way around the college circuit. And why not? Anyone whose career peaked while body-slamming Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania VI is certainly qualified to speak to college students on liberalism's "abyss of moral relativity," right? After a recent speaking engagement at UConn, it became clear that Warrior (which is his full legal name, by the way) does his politics the same way he did his wraslin' -- with intensity, with boldness and with little regard for anyone else. On April 5, Warrior spoke to a capacity crowd at the Dodd Center on the UConn campus in Storrs. During that speech, many audience members, some intent on disrupting Warrior's speech, took offense at his comments, causing tempers on both sides to flare and voices to rise. The scene became so intense that a police officer, fearing things could get dangerous, called in reinforcements. A video of the speech and the mayhem that followed, filmed by UConn student Russ Passig (one of Warrior's most vocal opponents during and after the incident), was obtained by the Advocate . A side from a kick-ass video introduction, consisting of kick-ass wrestling highlights, the first 44 minutes of Warrior's presentation were uneventful. He talked of rights and responsibilities, and his definition of conservatism: "preserving traditions that have worked throughout time, beginning with the simple idea that people need to think and provide for themselves." Yes, things were fairly calm until Warrior described how liberal thinking has created an "abyss of moral relativity where everything is as legitimate as everything else. "The broadest and most despicable illustration of this most destructive consequence of moral relativity," Warrior said, "is that barbarism, today, is as legitimate as civilization." Warrior goes on to provide specific examples that, he thinks, illustrate his point. He laments that that "the bum is as legitimate as the businessman ... , that queers are as legitimate as heterosexuals..., that Kwanzaa is just as legitimate as Santa Claus and Christmas." Some may find it easiest to summarize Warrior's opinion with an analogy: the bum is to the businessman as Kwanzaa is to Santa Claus. Yet while the aforementioned remarks certainly angered many in the crowd, it wasn't until Warrior was asked to qualify his statement on the illegitimacy of homosexuality that folks got riled. His response: "because queering doesn't make the world work." After this comment, the presentation was reduced to a shouting match, between audience members and the former holder of the WWF World and Intercontinental Championship belts. Warrior, constantly interrupted by angry audience members, became agitated. At one point, he thrust his arms in the air, and told students to hold their questions until the end of the presentation. "Question and Answer! Question and Answer!," he yelled. Later, he told a male student who loudly disagreed with his views on homosexuality, "I can't hear you, you got to take that object out of your mouth." During the question-and-answer period, Norm Moghtaderi argued with Warrior over his "queering doesn't make the world work" comment. As Moghtaderi -- who looks Middle Eastern but didn't describe himself that way -- walked past the front of the stage back to his seat, Warrior followed along side him, bowing and repeating, "Shalom, Shalom." Realizing he had forgotten his hat, Moghtaderi walked back across the front of the stage and picked it up. Warrior made a remark, inaudible on the tape, that further inflamed the audience. Soon after Warrior's comments to Moghtaderi, a plain-clothed police officer addressed the increasingly hostile crowd. Maj. Sgt. Linda Killarney alerted everyone that she had called in uniformed officers and if hostilities rose anymore, the event would be ended. Soon after, the event ended peacefully without police involvement. The UConn College Republicans, who were responsible for bringing Warrior to speak on campus, immediately began apologizing to the university community. "He [Warrior] got agitated [by those disrupting his speech] and responded," said Heath Fahle, spokesman for the group, "and just said some things that were patently offensive to anybody that was listening, just over the top." In addition to an apology to the entire school, the CRs have also been hand-delivering letters to any campus groups that may have been offended by Warrior's remarks. Fahle said the group had hoped that a speaker like Warrior would help attract a broader base of students to the event. "He's very provocative and very aggressive and definitely out of the wrestling mold, but he seemed like a decent guy. We thought he may appeal to more people than just political nerds," Fahle said. In a statement, "From the Desk of Warrior," released by Warrior's communications director, the College Republicans are called spineless for having "collectively decided to bow down and beg forgiveness." Many, but not all, of the students who were disruptive during Warrior's speech are part of Strike One, a group of students protesting UConn's ties to state institutions and private corporations that participate in the occupation of Iraq. To some it seemed that Strike One members attended Warrior's speech specifically to disrupt him. Prior to the event, members were passing out fliers with excerpts from ultimatewarrior.com, Warrior's official website where his many posts are frequently politically incorrect. Warrior's release on his website after the fact had pointed remarks for the "World Class Crew of Crybabies," who constantly disrupted the speech, mentioning Passig, Moghtaderi and Geoff Traugh, head of Strike One, by name . The UConn College Republicans have called upon those that disrupted the speech to apologize. Passig is in the process of filing a formal complaint with the University. | ||||||
| 8 | Great One ID: 201155199 Sat, May 26, 2007, 15:17 | |||||||
| 9 | Great One ID: 201155199 Sat, May 26, 2007, 15:18 | Warrior back at it again! in an arguement with Washington Redskins OL Rocky McIntosh's agent. | ||||||
| 10 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sat, May 26, 2007, 16:15 | You'll never see this in the MSM. Clearly a conspiracy is afoot. | ||||||
| 11 | Doug ID: 422281412 Sat, May 26, 2007, 16:23 |
LOL! "Take your shirt off! Show us what you are!" what you don't see is the ensuing comments of "Wait! Take it off slower... ooo yeah, that's it... now twirl it around your head..." | ||||||
| 12 | katietx ID: 11430613 Sat, May 26, 2007, 16:33 | ROFL...I was thinking the same thing. | ||||||
| 13 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sat, May 26, 2007, 16:56 |
If only we could see this coming. | ||||||
| 14 | Tree ID: 404582720 Sun, May 27, 2007, 22:24 |
did he say "floating through the veins is the power the of the Warrior" and "as i feel the injections from the gods above"?? not to mention talking about "full of the juice that carries the space ship", "load the space ship with the rocket fuel," "bury your anchors into my bones", and "raging elephants"? and man, Christian NAILED it... | ||||||
| 15 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Mon, May 28, 2007, 09:19 |
I remember that promo for Wrestlemania VI. I'm just glad the Ultimate Warrior never showed us his "parts unknown". As a kid he was one of my favorite wrestlers. He was just an ass kicking machine. JR talking about UW's interviews needing subtitles is the pot calling the kettle black. JR has an on air orgasm everytime there's a big moment and I can't make heads or tails of him sometime. Vince McMahon had a great comment as well. "Come on in where nightmares are the best part of my day." Outstanding. UW was a great entertainer and if people saw his promos and then see what he's like in real life they shouldn't be too surprised. | ||||||
| 16 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Tue, May 29, 2007, 09:21 | Warrior is the conservative equivolent of his caricature of liberalism. | ||||||
| 17 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 09:43 |
You can't make this stuff up. The following is from The Ultimate Warrior's official website at ultimatewarrior.com: In the interest of full disclosure, I must tell you I have watched Brokeback Mountain no less than 45 times and I own the Limited Edition DVD, signed by Willie Nelson a short time after he wrote that queer cowboy song as a tribute to the courage of the producers and actors who broke such incredible creative ground when they made their agenda-less movie. Serious. Until I saw Bendover Brokeback, Braveheart was my favorite movie. But the love scenes of Brokeback sucked me right in and I had no choice but to give myself over to the passion of its wide open range, if you get my drift. Such courage this young man and his collaegues have. Reminds me of the courage of classic movie stars, where during the War they enlisted and flew bomber planes and fought on frontlines, then came back and picked up their lives and careers right where they left off, without anti-American sentiment, whining and complaining, or self-destructive self indulgence. I’m equally inspired. Apparently, Leather Hedger had sleeping troubles and anxiety and dealt with terrible mood swings. So do soldiers but they don’t self-destructively f*** up their lives. In fact, they don’t sleep, handle anxiety and mood swings while dealing with whether or not they might at any moment lose their life. And they do this all the while they are dangerously protecting the freedom of others to f*** up their own. By the way, how many 28 (or older or younger) year old soldiers met their death yesterday? It’s not easy to find out. None of them made the headlines of any news. By today’s standard, though, I do have to agree that he was a great father. Perhaps even greater then the father of the year, Hulk Hogan. After all, Leather Hedger did what it took to kill himself. His kid is without a father, yes, but the negative influence is now removed and his own child has the chance for a full recovery. Hogan, on the other hand, won’t go quite that far. He insists on sticking around to keep further ruining, and profiting off of, the parentally mismanaged lives of his own children. It is sad and tragic….that we don’t demand attention be paid to greater things. | ||||||
| 18 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 10:09 |
Based on the little I've read here, and knowing nothing about the guy, my guess is he is a latent homosexual. His obsession with homosexuality and need to ridicule it in such extreme manner leads me to believe there is a little voice in the back of his head saying..."man I miss grabbing those sweaty boys, with the big bulging biceps, in those sexy little tights." Well you get the idea. His obsession and need to express his disapproval so vulgarly gives his deep dark secrets away. The man is gay but he is fighting his instincts through these adolescent attacks. | ||||||
| 19 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 10:16 |
Thats an interesting thought nerve. He started out as a professional bodybuilder too I read based on self esteem issues as a kid. "Hellwig started training with weights when he was 11 years old and has described himself as "the small, insecure kid who wasn't into any sports." | ||||||
| 20 | Boxman ID: 337352111 Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 10:45 | Everytime this thread gets updated I get excited. It's the Rotoguru equivalent of finding a wrapped Christmas present behind the antique stereo with a Red Ryder BB Gun in it. | ||||||
| 21 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 454491514 Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:02 |
I don't get it. He hates homosexuals so much that he hates Heath Ledger (who was straight, as far as I know) for accepting work on a film in which he played a gay character? This from a guy who is semi-famous because of his work in pro wrestling?      | ||||||
| 22 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:19 | MITH sure was able to find those pictures pretty quickly... :) | ||||||
| 23 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:20 | And yeah Boxman - I agree, but I see it more like watching a car crash. | ||||||
| 24 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 01:25 |
With a couple of photos MITH made the point better then I did with two paragraphs. | ||||||
| 25 | Tree ID: 27823293 Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 02:13 |
good lord, i love pro wrestling. and to think of all the gay-themed things that MITH left out, like the lesbian stalker Mickie James, like Adorable Adrian Adonis and his "Flower Shop", like Exotic Adrian Street, like the dress-wearing Vito, and the simple fact that wrestling crowds have come up with some enchanting chants like "Faggot, faggot" and "(insert wrestler's name here) takes it up the a$$, do dah, do dah". and yep, i'm on the road tonight, posting from Ohio, after having just shot another event to a pretty packed, excited house. | ||||||
| 26 | Boldwin ID: 1055190 Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 07:25 | Find all that charming do you? | ||||||
| 27 | Tree ID: 27823293 Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 07:59 |
actually, no, smart guy. but because there are aspects of something i don't like, doesn't mean i reject it entirely. for example, if my presidential candidate of choice was endorsed by a periodical i didn't care much for, i wouldn't change my candidate of choice for that reason alone. i've taken issue with the homophobia in wrestling plenty of times, and one fairly popular wrestler used to refer to his opponenets in a feud as "faggots", and he would do it pretty regularly. i made it clear that it was offensive to me to whoever would listen. i also learned that no matter how often something is explained - as i watched another wrestler explain to him why it's offensive - that some people just don't get it, which is in no way a reference to the poster in post #26... and, FWIW, there have been gay-themed issues where the wrestlers were cheered, such as the very popular in the northeast indy wrestling scene Christopher Street Connection tag team (who are, without question, the most homosexual-based gimmick i have ever seen in wrestling, right down to the two of them kissing in the ring) and the infamous Billy and Chuck who's "Gay wedding" became such a momentary cultural cornerstone that it was covered briefly in the mainstream media. | ||||||
| 28 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 12:23 |
Tree just out of curiosity, why do you "love" pro wrestling? I watched it for maybe a year when I was 11 but then I turned 12. I'm honestly curious not mocking You don't strike me as the typical wrestling fan. Do you literally like it on a serious level or is it like a sort of comedic farce to you that is well done and therefore entertaining? I should also mention I haven't watched it since I was 11 so I don't really no what the whole thing is about at this point. I will say that photo MITH posted of the guys head stuffed in the other guys...shorts, is enough to steer me clear. One funny note, a lot of this wrestling at least used to happen in Atlanta because of Turner where I grew up. A waitress told me once, that bar none, pro wrestlers are the best tippers...just a little piece of trivia I thought I would throw into an otherwise seedy thread. | ||||||
| 29 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 37838313 Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 12:27 |
Nerve we've discussed this before. I don't know whether I strike you as the typical wrestling fan but I have no problem admitting that I'm one. That it is "a sort of comedic farce" is part of it and the physicality and athleticism is also entertaining. | ||||||
| 30 | tree on the treo ID: 40842210 Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 17:47 |
nc - i'll do a more elaborate post tomorrow when I'm not on the handheld, but basically its a combination of escapism and the whole good vs. evil drama play aspect of it all... funny thing is, a few years ago when I visited with SZ, he asked me essentially the same thing "Tree, you seem like an otherwise intelligent guy, but what's with this wrestling thing?" | ||||||
| 32 | Great One ID: 2241519 Sun, Apr 20, 2008, 23:47 |
Nobody ever asks me "whats with the wrestling thing?" around here. No respect! :) I do get it at my big fancy job though. A couple of the younger suits do understand it though, and one old timer who used to love Sammartino and those guys. I do this for Boxman cause he loves this trainwreck! Warrior returns to the ring... kind of. | ||||||
| 33 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 06:09 |
I check out Rotoguru as part of my before work morning routine. I saw this thread was updated and I literally started smiling and wondering what the Warrior was up to now. What sort of hyjinx was he up to now? I watched those videos. Maybe Vince McMahon could hire him on to do an in-ring political show at the midpoint of every Monday Night Raw up until the election. Then we could update this thread a lot more often. I'm surprised the Warrior didn't have the courage in the ring to "take his shirt off and show us what he is". Thank you Great One. | ||||||
| 34 | Great One ID: 233541511 Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 08:48 | Speaking of political... WWE is advertising Obama vs. Hillary tonight on RAW starting early at 8 PM. Impersonators I presume. Should be... interesting? lol | ||||||
| 35 | Tree ID: 3533298 Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 10:29 |
Warrior is a crack pot, through and through at this point. at least Iron Sheik has exploited his insanity for fantastic levels of fun. Warrior is just a creepy, angry, pissed off dude with some ultra-conservative (probably more so than anyone here) ideals. | ||||||
| 36 | Great One ID: 233541511 Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 16:05 | Speaking of politics and wrestling... McCain, Hillary and Obama all on WWE RAW tonight (in pre-taped segments). | ||||||
| 37 | Great One ID: 2241519 Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 17:45 | |||||||
| 38 | Great One ID: 2241519 Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 17:47 |
The above is the official footage. One question. Warriors beliefs about gays are quite obvious from the very first post in this thread. Does he not realize that Orlando Jordon is (in real life) bisexual? Seems like that might impact his decision to have an actual match with him. | ||||||
| 39 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 06:11 | This is like getting a shiny present each time. The award they gave him looks awfully phallic. That is some of the worst in ring footage I have ever seen. I love it. | ||||||
| 40 | Tree ID: 40312244 Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 06:19 |
the only thing worse than Warrior in the ring is OLD Warrior in the ring. he was blown up after throwing TWO punches, and he nearly fell over in exhaustion when doing the double clothesline. but at least he still has the super ability to draw strength and power from poorly tightened ring ropes. | ||||||
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