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Subject: 910 days and counting Posted by: Seattle Zen - [46315247] Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 02:01 Tree, Sarge and I might not agree on Israel, but we certainly can agree on this, which I think sums up GW as well as anything I've seen  | ||||||
| 1 | sarge33rd ID: 2464896 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 08:39 | Indeed Zen, indeed. | |||||
| 2 | Matt S ID: 33644316 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 11:42 | 910! That's far too long. Isn't there another way? | |||||
| 3 | Khahan ID: 1563140 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 12:44 | If Bush has his way, I think he'll get himself impeached long before that is up. | |||||
| 4 | Matt S ID: 33644316 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 14:39 | What's all this about mid-term elections. Can't he get the boot with those? | |||||
| 5 | Razor ID: 47525714 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 14:46 | Oh my God, is it really 910 more days? Sweet Jesus. | |||||
| 6 | boikin ID: 400291013 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 15:47 | so everyone cheers for 910 days till the next idiot fills the office. everyone allways acts like he somekind of special idiot when i am sure his replacement will be just the same. it is not as if he was not elected for some reason i dont see a new populace being introduced between now and then. | |||||
| 7 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 15:52 |
I don't agree, boikin. This was some new breed of idiot. Truly special. Definitely top 5 in the "Worst Presidents Ever Hall of Fame." I think even most of those blinded by the shiny light of God or or the dark blood-red glasses of Vengence are starting to see that now. | |||||
| 8 | boikin ID: 400291013 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 16:03 | i would have agreed with you expect one i was reading through the list of rankings of the presidents and W to my surprise was not in the bottom 5 or even 10 (i believe). so historically he maybe bad but not not as bad as he seems and two i belive that the president is reflection of country. it is not as if the people voting for him did not know what he what kind of person he was. | |||||
| 9 | Matt S ID: 33644316 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 16:07 | Very true, boikin. However, hope is something I treasure. Even if it means a quick return to cynicism. What is really needed is a democratic system of electing government. Until you find one of those, it will just be a revolving door of arseholes. | |||||
| 10 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 16:08 |
Any ranking is pretty subjective. Unless he was caught buggering his nieghbor's sow (and Dubya would never get caught), there are still going to be 30% of clueless that still think he's God's Gift to America. | |||||
| 11 | Perm Dude ID: 15655248 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 16:10 |
I think there has to be a bit of separation for their to be a real appraisal of how good or bad a president truly is. In fact, in many polls of historians on this topic, they intentionally leave off the current Administration from being considered one way or the other. My own opinion is that Bush was handed a historical moment which he handled quite well at first, and then really flubbed it. With high approval ratings right after 9/11 and his party in control of both houses of Congress, I don't think the phrase "missed opportunity" is out of line. Unfortunately, while Bush's "circle the wagons tightly and reward loyalty" was a great strategy for getting elected, it is a piss-poor policy for governing. | |||||
| 12 | boikin ID: 400291013 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 16:13 | Perm i think you hit the nail on the head there with "Unfortunately, while Bush's "circle the wagons tightly and reward loyalty" was a great strategy for getting elected, it is a piss-poor policy for governing." that seems to be reality of all elections i think it has to do with that whole concept of doing what is right not going well with what gets you elected. | |||||
| 13 | walk Dude ID: 32928238 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 17:07 |
Great one, bili #10. I don't see how anyone other than the folks to whom Cheney/Bush have pandered could say this is not the worst administration in our generation. He has no talent to lead, and Cheney is a war-mongerer. These guys do do a good job of being rulers though. Not ruling per se, but consolidating power (making up their own laws, choosing their own kind, etc.). Oh, and save the really really rich folks money. I don't think their style of leading has fared well, nor do I think is it consistent with what most Americans want from their leaders...just their very conservative constituents. No checks and balances...worst group of leaders for such an administration. I dunno if our electoral system is going to result in more worthy candidates in 2008. I sure hope so. - walk | |||||
| 14 | walk Dude ID: 32928238 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 17:18 |
The Rulers I think this has been covered here before, but the #s are unbelievable. Bush has apparently created 800 "signing statement challenges" giving him exceptions to various laws (some he has put into effect) compared to a total of 600 previous signing statement challenges by all other previous presidents combined. - walk | |||||
| 15 | sarge33rd ID: 2464896 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 17:22 | shrubs detractors walk, have been pointing out often and for a long time, just how frequently shrub "negates" the existing laws since they keep "getting in his way". | |||||
| 16 | walk Dude ID: 32928238 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 17:36 |
Thx. I want to do that, too, Sarge33rd! In the name of executive exception. What a ruse. - walk | |||||
| 17 | Perm Dude ID: 15655248 Mon, Jul 24, 2006, 18:12 | A great write-up on signing statements | |||||
| 32 | Tree ID: 1411442914 Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 09:18 |
The Butt-Pirate comment was reserved for Zen. Since he is from the lily white NW, he either likes big hairy ones up the Kazoo or smokes a small forest of Ganja weekly. the best part of this is that if you'd been on these boards even a few weeks, you'd know one of the above to be very true, and the other, not so true. SZ talks openly about both. I would love to send all the illegals to their state and see how long they stay so liberal. do you have ANY idea how silly that statement is? i'd wager a ton of dough that the city i live in ranks VERY high in the list of places with most "illegals"...i'd also wager a ton of dough that this city is among the most liberal in the nation. don't believe the Liberals here are homosexual, but I do think, they couldn't get a sympathy screw from a crack whore if they had a wad of 50s and a suitcase of coke. This explains their anger they take out on Bush. me? i'm married. a good percentage of the posters here are married, engaged, or have a long-term partner. unlike you, we don't need to go to a crack whore. | |||||
| 35 | boikin ID: 400291013 Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 16:45 |
some data for the argument: According to the U.S. Department of Labor, the first four years of Clinton's presidency were marked with an unemployment rate of 6 percent, while the first four years of Bush's presidency produced an unemployment rate of 5.5 percent. According to InflationData.com, the 8-year average consumer inflation rate during Clinton's presidency was 2.6 percent. The 5-year average inflation rate under Bush is only 2.55 percent. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the average home ownership rate for all American citizens under Clinton was 65.53 percent; under Bush it is 68.38 percent. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the poverty level across all demographics under Clinton was 13.29 percent; under Bush it is only 12.25 percent. The Uniform Crime Report, administered by the FBI, lists an average of 1,429,000 violent crimes reported each year under Clinton, while there have been an average of 1,198,000 violent crimes reported yearly under Bush. Also, the arrest rate under Clinton was 49.66 percent; under Bush it is 50.81 percent | |||||
| 36 | Perm Dude ID: 366482611 Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 16:48 |
The FBI takes pains to point out the the way they report crime data has changed considerably in the last few years. Comparing data from 1993 to 2005 (for instance) is almost like comparing apples and oranges. I don't know too much about the other pieces of data, except that an inflation difference of just .05% is a wash. | |||||
| 37 | boikin ID: 400291013 Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 16:57 | these statistics came from an article i was just reading. so i dont want vouch for them in anyway i did not look them up personally. i just put them there to say that i think both sides are wrong in saying that Bush is doing a terrible/great job i think he is doing mediocre job and that division over appearence is more psychological created by a system of two parties that has relized that divide and concore is better that a house divided can not stand philosphy. | |||||
| 38 | Tree ID: 1411442914 Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 17:03 | an article in what conservative rag? | |||||
| 39 | Perm Dude ID: 366482611 Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 17:11 |
boikin, I don't think anyone (well, anyone worth listening to) is saying Bush is a complete failure on all levels. And when it comes to the economy, the President can set the stage but there isn't too terribly much he can do directly. Clinton's economic success, in other words, is as much attributed to his policies as to the coincidence of a boom economy. It doesn't surprise me that there are articles trying to pump up the fact that Bush isn't a failure in certain areas (which strikes me both as an amazingly low bar to be shooting for and incredibly self-obvious). Presidents are much more directly accountable for government budgets. And it is here that Bush has his failures. Indeed, on the areas and issues upon which Presidents have more direct influence, it is here that Bush has his greatest problems and weaknesses. | |||||
| 40 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 18:36 |
Those are cherry picked, misleading stats. I could state a hundred stats that make Bush look horrible. That said, I'll give Bush credit for a few things: - discretionary spending hasn't risen as much as the media implies. - I like his protection of midway and surrounds. - I think his immigration policy would be pretty good, if he were allowed to impliment what I am guessing would be a more open border, but for the fact that his party is so beholdin to the racist vote. Part of the reason for the unemployment number that many more people have left the work force, for whatever reason, so it's a denominator issue, not a numerator issue. Inflation is impossible to measure accurately, but in any case that's Greenspan, not Bush or Clinton. I don't know how poverty is measured, but I'm sure it's pretty arbitrary. Clinton came into office at the peak of the worst crime wave in American history, and it declined pretty remarkably from 1995 on, if I remember correctly, and it's been declining ever since. I can't fathom how a president could signifincantly impact that number, however. He could maybe impact the number 20 years after his term. At any rate, Bush is the worst president I know even a little about. That includes Nixon. | |||||
| 41 | Jag ID: 47657159 Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 18:51 |
Name one policy Clnton sponsored that had any bearing on helping the country. Jimmy Carter was by far the worst President in decades. His pandering to terrorist is the reason we have the problems we do today. He damn near put us in a recession and his liberal arrogance still shows today. | |||||
| 42 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Wed, Jul 26, 2006, 19:02 | I think of Clinton as doing little evil, and that's a huge step up from the atrocity that sits in the White House now. Ditto Jimmy. | |||||
| 58 | Seattle Zen ID: 529121611 Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 14:18 |
This little piece of humor easily replaces the cartoon at the top as the best summation of Bush and the 8 year nightmare we are enduring. GW can only dream of approval ratings as high as Jimmy Carter at his lowest. Everything I know I learned since Jan. 20, 2001 Being a Christian is the best. It's not really OK to be a Jew unless you live in Israel, the Promised Land. Mormons should learn how to be more Christian. Everyone else should convert or die. The U.S. does well when huge corporations are allowed to do whatever they want. The more we can make rich people richer, the better it will be for everybody. | |||||
| 59 | balls ID: 3366309 Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 14:54 |
A drunk Bush | |||||
| 63 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 37838313 Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 15:15 | Assuming by 'liberals' you mean Democrats, they're doing notably better than Republicans in Congress. Probably have to switch the channel over from FOX every once in a while to learn that. | |||||
| 68 | Seattle Zen ID: 529121611 Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 01:19 |
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| 69 | Perm Dude ID: 30234146 Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 11:06 |
Not much time left, so Bush gets busy: Bush weakens the power of the Intelligence Oversight Board Bush orders EPA to raise seasonal ozone limits rule | |||||
| 74 | Seattle Zen ID: 49112418 Tue, Jun 10, 2008, 12:52 |
Do you have a Greasemonkey script that reads these boards and posts a reply to every criticism of GW with "Clinton was worse"? Or are you simply a living, breathing script, as predictable as sunshine in the desert? | |||||
| 79 | angryCHAIR ID: 561401810 Tue, Jun 24, 2008, 09:59 | I'd like to dedicate Godsmack's song "WHATEVER" to the Shrub! | |||||
| 80 | angryCHAIR ID: 561401810 Fri, Jun 27, 2008, 09:59 | Honoring W's EIGHT Years The Right Way | |||||
| 81 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Fri, Jun 27, 2008, 11:44 | I love it!!! lmao | |||||
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