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Subject: Campaign Finance Reform and FES
Posted by: steve houpt
- [562201822] Tue, Mar 20, 15:22
Forget the first couple of paragraphs. What was interresting to me was from ....... on.
Moreover, if supporters of McCain-Feingold are clearly looking out for the interests of incumbents, who is looking out for the interests of the little guy, for the average American who simply wants to participate in political life?
This past fall I received a call from a professor at my former law school. Students at the school had started a group called Law Students for Bush-Cheney, and he was their faculty adviser. "That's great," I told him. "Don't spend more than $250, or you'll have to register as a political committee with the Federal Election Commission and start filing detailed reports." Unsurprisingly, the group didn't do much after that.
No Power to the Little Guy - What's behind McCain-Feingold? Politicians' desire to shut up their critics.
Author is member of FEC. Having not paticipated in any campiagns, sounds like some of the laws are built to keep corruption out, but used to catch anyone they can. |
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| 147 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 4443038 Fri, Mar 29, 2002, 13:36
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from George Will today:
In such a system, money to finance debate about the composition and conduct of the government would come from the government, and in such amounts and for such uses as the government approves. There would be no restriction on political advocacy by the Times or The Washington Post, which in the last five years have editorialized, on average, once every 5.5 days for additional restrictions on political advocacy by others.
The day after Congress passed it, the Post's lead editorial celebrated the bill, which includes restrictions on political advocacy by organizations like the National Rifle Association, which has 4.2 million members. Indeed, a number of senators and members of Congress cited the NRA as an organization whose advocacy they sought to inhibit.
Below the editorial celebrating passage of the bill, the Post ran an editorial urging Virginia's governor to support a gun control measure opposed by the NRA. So the Post editorial page that day illustrated the system toward which the bill that Bush cavalierly signed moves us. It will be a system in which the media exercise an unabridged freedom of political speech while championing successive weakenings of the constitutional protection of rival voices.
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| 148 | Madman
ID: 21020124 Fri, Mar 29, 2002, 14:14
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Well, I would be tempted to buy into Will's post. But as we all know, when the founding fathers gave us "freedom of speech" what they really meant was "freedom from speech uttered by others than the press".
Therefore, CFR is just the realization of the ultimate expression of human freedom.
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| 149 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 4443038 Fri, Mar 29, 2002, 14:18
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"Restriction is freedom" I like it. Ford would like it. I can now admit - I love Big Brother.
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| 150 | Seattle Zen Donor
ID: 411302615 Fri, Mar 29, 2002, 15:30
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Well, I bet Orrin Hatch is steamin' mad. Looks like Mr. and Mrs. Bob Mormon can only donate $1,000 each to Orrin, no longer may they give $1,000 for each of their 11 kids.
Campaign Law Stops Donations From Kids. Supporters of the change say adults were abusing the system by contributing in children's names.
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| 151 | Madman
ID: 21020124 Fri, Mar 29, 2002, 16:18
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Of course, Orrin Hatch was the candidate in the last election that was trying to fund-raise from the grass-roots. Remember his $36 per person * 1 million people goal?
So, CFR takes away the rights of children to donate to candidates. First they can't vote, and now they can't even give a candidate money. Next, they'll have to report it to the FEC when they bake a cookie for their Congressman. And some people actually SAY they want kids to get involved in the political system.
It just keeps getting better.
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| 152 | Madman
ID: 21020124 Fri, Mar 29, 2002, 16:21
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And I'm glad someone finally figured out who was behind the Enron Campaign financing mess. It was the CHILDREN!!
As Bill Cosby would say, riiiiiiight.
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| 153 | steve houpt
ID: 32428300 Fri, Jul 19, 2002, 23:04
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Hillary, Dem shout it out at Capitol
Is reality of CFR sinking in? Oh no, this is real. I only supported it because it was PC. We could be sued?
Sen. Hillary Clinton got into a closed-door shouting match in the Capitol yesterday with the top Democratic backer of campaign finance reform, sources told the Daily News.
Clinton (D-N.Y.) faced off with Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) during a luncheon discussion of a landmark fund-raising law set to take effect Nov. 6.
When Feingold dismissed warnings that senators could face legal challenges on unpredictable grounds under the new law, Clinton exploded.
"Russ, live in the real world," a tight-faced Clinton shouted at Feingold, sources said.
"They will be all over you like a June bug," a source quoted Clinton as later saying, in a reference to Republicans and their allies.
Senators warned:
"The purpose of the lunch was to discuss implementation of the law, which they did," said Clinton communications director Karen Dunn.
A Feingold spokesman had no immediate comment.
The session began with opposing presentations by former Common Cause chief Fred Wertheimer, who backs Feingold in supporting tougher FEC rulings, and Democratic campaign lawyer Bob Bauer.
Sources said Bauer warned senators they could face criminal charges if they seek general political support from an audience that later makes soft-money contributions.
It was also suggested that political events, like former President Bill Clinton's infamous White House coffees for big donors, could theoretically be criminalized under the new law. The coffees were investigated by Congress and the Justice Department, but no charges were filed.
When Feingold protested that interpretations like that were not rational readings of his law, Clinton, who voted for Feingold's bill, hammered him.
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| 154 | steve houpt
ID: 32428300 Fri, Jul 19, 2002, 23:13
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An AP story. {Posted whole story because a few times I was redirected to AP home page)
Clinton, Feingold Argue Over Law
By FREDERIC J. FROMMER Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) — Sen. Russ Feingold said Friday that he and Sen. Hillary Clinton engaged in a heated argument over the impact a new campaign finance law will have on Senate Democrats.
``You're not living in the real world,'' Clinton argued during the closed-door meeting of about two dozen Senate Democrats on Thursday, according to Feingold, D-Wis., the party's leading proponent of the law.
Clinton spokeswoman Karen Dunn declined to comment on Feingold's description of Thursday's meeting, but noted that Clinton voted for the new campaign finance law.
``Senator Clinton has the greatest respect for Senator Feingold's leadership and advocacy on this issue,'' Dunn said.
At issue was the law's ban on soft money — large, unregulated donations to parties from corporations, unions and others. Clinton is worried the law is vague and will open Democrats to legal liability, Feingold said.
Feingold said a ``core group'' of five or six Democrats, including Clinton, D-N.Y., were trying to find ways to get around the ban. He declined to identify the others.
``It was a troubling display for a party that claims to be for trying to clean up the system,'' Feingold said. - [Shoupt - It's troubling to Feingold that Hillary was trying to find ways around the ban - 'hillarious'. Imagine that]
Dunn noted Friday that Clinton and her GOP opponent, Rick Lazio, agreed to bar their respective parties from spending soft money on ads supporting their campaigns in 2000.
The exchange took place at a forum organized by Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., pitting Fred Wertheimer, head of Democracy 21, which supports the ban, against Robert Bauer, the lawyer for the Senate and House Democratic fund-raising committees, who has argued that soft money should still be allowed for several non-campaign purposes.
Daschle was among those at the meeting. Daschle spokesman Jay Carson called Feingold's comment about the Democratic Party ``perplexing.''
``I think Senator Daschle's and the Senate Democrats' commitment to this can be seen in the painstaking work and blood, sweat and tears that went into getting this bill passed,'' he said.
Feingold said Clinton later apologized to him on the Senate floor.
``I said it was a good show, and she said we should have sold tickets,'' said Feingold, laughing.
The new law is scheduled to take effect after this November's election. Several groups have filed lawsuits challenging its constitutionality.
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| 155 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 2065918 Fri, Jul 19, 2002, 23:18
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Clinton is right-Feingold is in dreamland. Good link, Source.
pd
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| 156 | steve houpt
ID: 32428300 Wed, Sep 25, 2002, 13:01
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Heck with finance reform, Daschle's wants a new new Camapign Reform act.
PROPOSED: A republican administration shall not talk in public about any policy or program that does not favor the democrats in the polls without prior permision of the democratic senate leader 90 days prior to any federal election.
If not, democrat leader will have a coronary on Senate floor. :):)
Was hilarious [was tired of watching weather reports - just happened to catch the whole thing].
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| 157 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 108231015 Wed, Sep 25, 2002, 13:16
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Link to Daschle being foolish. Near as I can make it out, Daschle wants Bush to "make the case" against Sadaam, by not talking about it. Further, he believes that a politician telling the voters what his or her position is on the most important issue of the day is a danger to the democratic process.
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| 158 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155 Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 20:15
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"Unionize it or no homeland security for you!" - Tom the most relentless partisan of all time Daschele
And he accuses Bush of trying to make political gain out of the war on terror? Now that is "outrageous, simply outrageous."
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| 159 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155 Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 20:17
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"Unionize it or no homeland security for you!" - Tom the most relentless partisan of all time Daschle
And he accuses Bush of trying to make political gain out of the war on terror? Now that is "outrageous, simply outrageous."
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| 160 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155 Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 20:28
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For some odd reason I can't find the self-edit feature on this page. Sorry for the double post.
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| 161 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155 Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 20:28
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For some odd reason I can't find the self-edit feature on this page. Sorry for the double post.
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| 162 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 14826271 Sat, Sep 28, 2002, 10:34
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The state of things: FEC now fees compelled to issue official rullings on whether Jay Leno can tell jokes!
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| 163 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 14826271 Sat, Sep 28, 2002, 20:53
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Scientists Discover Huge New McCain-Feingold Black Hole
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| 164 | Seattle Zen Donor
ID: 554192913 Tue, Dec 03, 2002, 14:01
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Some of the nation's most accomplished lawyers will face off this week in a courtroom in Washington in the first showdown over the constitutionality of the new campaign finance law.
I don't know why, but the McCain Feingold Act's constitutionality is being argued in front of a special three judge panel on Wednesday. After its ruling, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear the arguments. Speeds things up, I'd say.
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| 165 | steve houpt
ID: 32428300 Wed, Dec 04, 2002, 01:17
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McCain-Feingold, RIP. In force for less than a month, campaign finance is already dead.
John McCain, the Sisyphus of reform, is already declaring defeat: "We now find this reform law threatened by both political parties, the special interests who are regrouping, and also by the very regulatory body of the federal government charged with its interpretation."
The Senator's solution? Just roll that stone up the hill one more time by passing yet more campaign finance restrictions. "Reform is a process," Mr. McCain now says. "It is not a one-time fight." ----------------
All of this was entirely predictable; in fact it's an eerie repetition of what happened after the post-Watergate campaign reform of 1974. Business and labor PACs proliferated, as did millionaire candidates, who could spend as much of their own money as they wanted. The courts upheld some spending limits but struck down others, creating a maze of new loopholes. A main author of that reform, Fred Wertheimer, is still whispering into John McCain's ear today that if only we can pass one more . . . The poor Senator is now his personal Sancho Panza.
McCain-Feingold is itself destined to go to the Supreme Court, based on today's legal challenge to be heard by a special three-judge panel in Washington. The plaintiffs include such ideological opposites as the NRA and the AFL-CIO, the California Democratic Party and Republican Senator Mitch McConnell. They share the view that the law is an abridgment of free speech, among its other sins, as we trust the Supreme Court will agree.
But we hardly need to wait for the Justices to tell us that McCain-Feingold is folly. The bill's own supporters are already disowning it, and before the ink of President Bush's misguided signature is even dry.
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| 166 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 49132614 Fri, May 02, 2003, 17:42
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Soft money ban ruled unconstitutional.
I know how we can solve this one, just ban rich people. 100% tax after your first 300,000. And 95% Capital Gains tax after your first 500,000 in profits, annually. Then folks wouldn't have so much disposible income to fritter away on political bribes and fancy fast cars that I am jealous of. ;)
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| 167 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 34071820 Fri, May 02, 2003, 19:19
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Hmmm. Just noticed that I called McCain (post #2) "a stand-up buy." In this, of all threads! That's going onto the "All Star Typo" list.
pd
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| 168 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 14826271 Fri, May 02, 2003, 19:23
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Hola' Senor Freud
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| 169 | Madman Donor
ID: 21020124 Fri, May 02, 2003, 19:41
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biliruben 166 -- we tried that! We had a 94% marginal tax rate on the rich for almost 20 years after WWII, and then 70% MTR until 1981. Banning rich people didn't seem to prevent the Kennedy's from buying the White House in 1960 under these ban-the-rich-rules, so I don't see what good such a law will do.
PD -- a stand-up buy! Yep, an all-time typo!
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| 170 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 108231015 Mon, May 05, 2003, 14:11
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CFR advocate Chuck Schumer gets hit with Senate's biggest CF law violation fine
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| 171 | Madman Donor
ID: 398591212 Mon, May 05, 2003, 14:43
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Fascinating. And I suppose Enron's support of Shumer was legal and outside of that list.
Given that the proponents of CFR claim that it is necessary to prevent politicians from becoming "bought", I guess the sad conclusion is that Chuck Shumer is one of the most "bought" politician in the Senate.
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| 172 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 108231015 Mon, May 05, 2003, 14:50
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And BTW, for those struggling with the meaining of "hypocrisy" in reference to the Bill Bennet gambling "story" - this would be Hypocrisy. Don't look for an expose' in Newsweek though.
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| 173 | Madman Donor
ID: 398591212 Mon, May 05, 2003, 14:58
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MBJ -- hahaha. Well, maybe his supporters just argue that he knows what sorts of CFR laws need to be on the books since he knows how people ignore them.
Of course, cynics would argue that he is just wanting more stringent CFR laws so that his opponents will be bound by them whereas he will be free to spend what he pleases -- unless the government runs an audit, of course.
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| 174 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 14826271 Mon, May 05, 2003, 22:05
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Check out this headline before they change it - maybe the DOJ IS really trying to re-write the Constitution:
FOX NEWS: DOJ Plans to Appeal Supreme Court Ruling
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| 175 | UGABravesDawg
ID: 21320129 Mon, May 05, 2003, 22:26
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While I cannot read all 174 posts, I am going to throw in my bit on Campaign Finance Reform even if it doesn't fit in. This February I was so unpriviledged as to be spoken to by the (dis)Honorable Bradley Smith. He proposed that the Hatch Act and Campaign Finance Reform Acts both be repealed. He favored getting rid of all restrictions on campaign donations. Mr. Smith actually said at one point "so what if Bill Gates pays a billion dollars and buys 76 Congressmen? He would be broke, and only have a small portion of Congress." About the most idiotic statement ever, right? What if you can buy them for half a billion. So Bill Gates has his 152 Congressmen, no problem, right? Then Rupert Murdoch gets his 120 Congressmen and why don't we throw 80 in to Ted Turner. Our entire legislature would be completely controlled by a few guys. He was against any limits on advertising, slander, commercials, etc. etc. Sounds ludicrous, right? You might ask who Bradley Smith is... so I'll tell you: the Vice-President of the Federal Elections Commission.
I just read the link earlier to one of Smith's articles... believe me, his demands are terrible and propesterous, regardless of how he spins them to make them seem acceptable. I met him in person and asked him about his demands and completely flustered him, the man is dangerously out there.
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| 176 | UGABravesDawg
ID: 21320129 Mon, May 05, 2003, 22:36
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http://archive.salon.com/books/int/2001/03/30/smith/index.html
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| 177 | steve houpt
ID: 32428300 Mon, May 05, 2003, 23:21
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Bradley Smith makes sense. I have a link in post #31 to an excerpt from 'Unfree Speech: The Folly of Campaign Finance Reform' published at Princeton Press in 2001. Similar to the interview in Salon. You pull the 'extreme' out, but in context, it makes sense. And constitutional. It's the Schumer's that are scarey. Who's paying him to lead the filibuster of judges?
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| 178 | UGABravesDawg
ID: 21320129 Mon, May 05, 2003, 23:51
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Have you heard him actually speak? When you hear right out of his mouth what he says, it is frightening. He can spin what he says in interviews and such to make it seem logical, but he never seems to cover the negative effects. To take limits off campaign contributions does not give the little guy more power, it makes it so that all the politicans need is a few great wealths in order to win an election. Do they care if I contribute $2,000? No, they don't. They wouldn't depend on anyone outside a small group of people, then who do you think they're gonna give back to when they are elected? The guys that filled their pockets and will do so again when they are up for re-election.
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| 179 | Madman Donor
ID: 398591212 Tue, May 06, 2003, 10:42
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Why is it so frightening that Bill Gates could buy 152 Congressmen? I am continually confused by this fear.
Worst case scenario -- he buys 152 Congressmen, and they pass a law mandating everyone to buy Microsoft Windows. Next election cycle, we have 152 new Congressmen, and we repeal the law mandating that everyone buys windows (plus, we launch private lawsuits claiming damages, DOJ is obligated to pursue anti-trust cases against Microsoft ... and if they don't, we can the President, too. Etc.)
The real question is how much does each side trust the people. One side (CFR supporters) believes people are dupes that will vote for a candidate who has 1,000 ads over another candidate who has 500. The other side (my side) believes that people can actually see through most crap for what it is -- crap. As long as a candidate has enough cash to get his message out, voters -- not money -- actually decide the results.
The more "reform" we've built, the less competitive our elections have become. Why? Because it makes it harder for quality challengers to amass that minimum amount of cash necessary to get their message out.
Worse, all the "reforms" we've built haven't changed the ability of candidates to buy elections one iota. And this CFR bill won't either.
But our elections will "look" more fair. And we have contribution caps to make the little guy feel more worthwhile. Joy, joy. Meanwhile, incumbents will never face quality challengers, will never actually face the prospect of a close election, will continue to schmooze with lobbyists and PACs and special interest groups who will control all the purse strings.
Someone -- ANYONE -- please tell me why a world in which candidates never face substantive opposition and are forced to align very tightly with radical special interest groups to provide them with 3rd party advertising -- someone PLEASE tell me why this is a better idea than a free and open system where quality challenger candidates are allowed to freely and quickly build campaign funds to advertise for themselves rather than relying on the generosity of radical 3rd party groups?
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| 180 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 0059248 Tue, May 06, 2003, 10:45
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Why does it have to be one or the other?
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| 181 | Madman Donor
ID: 398591212 Tue, May 06, 2003, 10:59
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PD 180 -- I didn't actually SAY it had to be one or the other, I just asked why ineffective regulation designed solely to trick people into feeling good about "level playing fields" was a better idea than a system with warts that allows the Democratic process to function.
There is an entire spectrum between, largely related to the size of contribution limits. Putting a $500,000 per person contribution cap would clearly be a minimal infringment upon a challenger's ability to raise money.
But the broader opposition between the two ideas becomes more evident when you consider lowering the caps to make them more "effective". Once the caps become "tight" enough to restrict a candidate's ability to raise money quickly and easily, you are forcing that candidate into alternative funding sources ... assuming, of course, that there is an opponent who is capable of finding alternative sources himself (and this will be less and less likely the more restrictions you place).
So, it is not an either-or, per se. But it is a "the more of one you have, the less of the other".
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| 182 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 14826271 Wed, May 14, 2003, 21:14
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Refer to post 170-172:
Chuck Schumer must be going for the Hypocrit's Pentatholon or something:
Gun Controller Schumer Has Armed Bodyguard
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| 183 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155 Sat, May 17, 2003, 01:46
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David Tell on campaign finance reform:
It's been an epic, "Bleak House"-worthy court case: 77 different plaintiffs suing 17 named defendants, thousands of pages of pleadings and motions and briefs, and well more than 100,000 pages of additional expert-witness reports, deposition transcripts, and fact exhibits. On May 2, the hybrid judicial panel specially designated by Congress to hear the litigation's initial arguments--three judges, one from the D.C. Circuit Court and two from that circuit's district court--issued its much-delayed ruling. And that, too, all by itself, makes for a handsome library shelf: four separate opinions, plus associated orders, running to roughly 1,600 total pages. McConnell v. FEC, as the whole thing is known for convenience, is a constitutional challenge to the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (BCRA)--the McCain-Feingold bill that President Bush signed last March--and the resulting blizzard of paper is now headed for the Supreme Court, on an uncertain schedule and with uncertain consequ
Contributing to the uncertainty is the fact that very few people, save for a handful of lawyers involved in the case, have more than the dimmest notion what exactly all these documents say. Just the final, May 2 batch of them, released late on a Friday afternoon, took hours to print out on a computer. By the following morning, a number of newspapers had performed heroic feats in order to give their readers reasonably coherent accounts of the McConnell court's decision. But even the best of those reports was necessarily sketchy, and follow-up analysis has been almost entirely forward-looking: Which of the parties might seek a stay of the ruling? Which of them is best positioned to pursue an appeal? In all this talk about strategy, what already happened, and why, has been set aside. Nobody on a deadline can read 100,000-plus pages of primary-source material on the intricacies of federal election law, after all. No sane person reads such stuff at all.
And a damn lucky thing that is, too, if you're anybody associated with New York University Law School's Brennan Center for Justice. For buried inside the stacks of deposition testimony and subpoenaed correspondence are some impressively ugly revelations about that activist outfit's involvement in the design, passage, and legal defense of our new campaign finance laws. In sum: The EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE McCain-Feingold proponents have offered as the constitutional justification for a key provision of the bill, empirical evidence for which Brennan Center "research" is the source, appears to be fraudulent--DELIBERATELY FAKED.
Conventional wisdom now has it that the Supreme Court, when it does eventually hear McConnell, will inevitably be forced to review all of BCRA from scratch. The trial-stage panel, as its May 2 opinions make plain, was riven by unusually bitter disagreements. Circuit Judge Karen LeCraft Henderson, a Bush-pere appointee who decided that the new law is "unconstitutional in virtually all of its particulars," was openly contemptuous of her colleagues--both for their failure to concur in that judgment and for the dithering pace of their deliberations. The likely chief target of these complaints, District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly, a Clinton appointee who voted to uphold most of BCRA, was openly contemptuous right back at Henderson, in a series of snarling footnotes. . . . - Weekly Standard
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| 184 | steve houpt
ID: 32428300 Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 15:48
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FWIW - same day audio of special 4 hour [usually one] oral arguments on CFR before Supreme Court now on C-Span [replay tonight]. Started 2:45 PM CDT. May be available on internet. Did not check.
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| 185 | Madman Donor
ID: 398591212 Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 11:52
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Steve h -- did you check with the FEC before making that post? You might have infringed upon the public good by helping to spread lies and misinformation about such a wonderful and important piece of legislation like the CFR. Wouldn't want you to get in trouble.
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| 186 | Perm Dude
ID: 2343587 Mon, Sep 20, 2004, 12:34
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Now, isn't this a kick in the pants, with just weeks to go?
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| 187 | Madman
ID: 43410119 Mon, Sep 20, 2004, 14:51
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Geez, what a mess. Did the ruling refer to the 527s? Kind of reads like it from the article. Unreal.
Someone, tell me again, WHY ARE WE GOING THROUGH THIS NONSENSE?
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| 188 | Perm Dude
ID: 2343587 Mon, Sep 20, 2004, 14:54
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I believe it was pointed exactly at the 527s, Madman.
To be blunt, this whole damn thing is such a mess I'm not even going to bother to read it.
The whole thing needs to be scrapped. It's exactly what is wrong with large parts of the law these days: Overly complicated, causes more problems, and doesn't actually solve the problems it's aimed at. A person who tries to follow the law often can't because they don't know what is allowed and what isn't.
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| 189 | Baldwin
ID: 40826115 Mon, Sep 20, 2004, 14:59
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Someone, tell me again, WHY ARE WE GOING THROUGH THIS NONSENSE?
1) Clinton needed an answer for why his campaign violated campaign laws.
Which led to...
2) Calls for new campaign laws instead of enforcement and punishment for violations of the old ones.
Which was enabled by...
3) media whores like McCain who called for new campaign laws instead of enforcement and punishment for violations of the old ones.
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| 190 | Madman
ID: 43410119 Mon, Sep 20, 2004, 15:03
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Oh yeah. Now I remember. Thanks. Sometimes I forget the logic behind things like this. ;)
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| 191 | Baldwin
ID: 40826115 Mon, Sep 20, 2004, 15:25
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Nixon should have led a charge to pass new laws against political dirty tricks.
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| 192 | Baldwin
ID: 40826115 Mon, Sep 20, 2004, 15:26
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...But the liberal mainstream media wouldn't have signed onto the program.
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| 193 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923 Fri, Jan 04, 2008, 21:59
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As predicted, the media really dig their role under CFR as arbitors of who gets to run for president....
ABC Cuts 3 From Presidential Debate
Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich filed a complaint with the FCC on Friday after ABC News excluded him, fellow Democrat Mike Gravel and Republican Duncan Hunter from its prime-time debates on Saturday.
Kucinich argued that ABC is violating equal-time provisions by keeping him out of the debate and noted that ABC's parent Walt Disney Co. had contributed to campaigns involving the four Democrats who were invited.
"ABC should not be the first primary," the Ohio congressman said in papers filed at the Federal Communications Commission.
ABC said the candidates left out of the debates failed to meet benchmarks for their support that were outlined to each campaign prior to the Iowa caucus. Kucinich did not complain about these rules ahead of time, said spokeswoman Cathie Levine, who had no further comment since she hasn't seen the FCC filing.
Me thinks this smells putrid.
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| 194 | Perm Dude
ID: 37023421 Fri, Jan 04, 2008, 22:23
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Hmmm. I don't see Ron Paul filing suit against FOX. This "sue first" mentality has to go.
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| 195 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 01629107 Sat, Jan 05, 2008, 01:54
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ABC announced last week that they'd be cutting candidates from their next debate. At least they waited until after the first primary to decide who it would be.
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| 197 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 01629107 Sat, Jan 05, 2008, 02:03
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The article also notes that ABC set their criteria ahead of time:Candidates had to meet at least one of three criteria: place first through fourth in Iowa, poll 5 percent or higher in one of the last four major New Hampshire surveys, or poll 5 percent or higher in one of the last four major national surveys. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me at this stage. As far as I know FOX's only criteria was that your name can't be Hunter or Paul.
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