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Subject: Southern California is Burning Posted by: biliruben - [579411512] Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 16:22 250,000 evacuated, including a fair chunk of San Diego, from the news. LA Times makes it sound very, very bad. Anyone got any local news?   What do you do when Malibu is burning? Surf!  | |||||||
| 1 | GoatLocker Sustainer ID: 060151121 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 18:08 |
What do you want to know. We were up most of the nite following things. Was so pitch black around 1:00PM yesterday we couldn't see anything. All you can smell is smoke and everything is covered in ash. San Diego County has over 100,000 acres burned right now. That is 156 sq miles. 1 dead, 17 injured 4 of those fire fighters. The 4 burned were the crew our son would have normally been with if he would have been at work and not up in northern California at a fire school. The one in the worst shape worked with our Daughter-In-Law on Saturday. Wind gusts yesterday were up over 100 MPH 10% Humidity 90 degrees Winds are circling and changing constantly. The 250K evacuated are all in San Diego County. Ramona, population 36,000 evacuated. Poway, evacuated. San Bernardo, evacuated. Santa Fe Springs (Ladanian Tomlinson) evacuated. "We have more houses burning than we have people and engine companies to fight them," San Diego Fire Captain Lisa Blake said. "A lot of people are going to lose their homes today." Arnold declares 7 Counties Disaster Areas. Cliff | ||||||
| 2 | Astade ID: 5935164 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 18:43 |
I live in San Diego (luckily near the coast) and I have been pretty schocked with these wildfires. Coming from the east coast this is definitely a new phenomenom. Unfortunately, even though the fires are well to the east (and north of me), the Santa Ana winds are pushing the smoke/debris directly overhead. Last night I made the mistake of leaving my windows open, so I awoke to a nice layer of soot covering everything in my apartment. The sky is such a strange color because of the dispersion and there are no animals out at all. Traffic is a non-issue. I got to work and was told to leave shortly thereafter. They said the air quality is so bad that they needed to shut down the ACs. Sounds like with increased gusts and the fire jumping I-15 and heading West that tomorrow will be more of the same. | ||||||
| 3 | biliruben ID: 579411512 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 18:52 |
Wow. So how does this compare to previous years, GL? It sounds really bad, but I'm trying to put it in context. Is San Diego-proper threatened? I read they evacuated the zoo. | ||||||
| 4 | GoatLocker Sustainer ID: 060151121 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 19:07 |
I believe they evacuated Wild Animal Park and not the zoo. San Pasqual Valley (Location of Wild Animal Park) has been evacuated. They have a fear right now this thing could burn all the way to the water. The expectation right now, unless the weather changes soon, is that this will be much, much worse than 2003 was. Cliff | ||||||
| 5 | GoatLocker Sustainer ID: 060151121 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 19:24 |
This is really crazy. Every time I look for a status update, there is a new fire being reported. Those interested, check out CalFire BlogSpot They are updating on the fly and running way behind, but will give you a good idea of what is up. Donald Sterling (Clippers Owner) just lost his place in Malibu. Cliff | ||||||
| 6 | biliruben ID: 579411512 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 19:24 |
Hope your son keeps out of harm's, and the Santa Ana's, way, GL. Keep us updated. Particularly if you see any Cheetahs or Giraffes running through your back yard! | ||||||
| 7 | GoatLocker Sustainer ID: 060151121 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 19:44 |
I said San Bernardo earlier, should have been Rancho Bernardo. My brains are gone. More evacuations. Escondido. Script's Ranch - 300 homes burned in 2003 fire Solano Beach - yes, it is on the ocean The son is okay, he is up near Sacremento at a Fire Academy, but his wife (an EMT) got called back into work early. Charger's are headed for Arizona. Another Link Cliff | ||||||
| 8 | Myboyjack ID: 8216923 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 19:48 | A photoblog of the fires | ||||||
| 9 | GoatLocker Sustainer ID: 060151121 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 19:51 |
Two more city's with partial Evacuations FallBrook Chula Vista (all the way to the East) Over 300,000 evacuated. Cliff | ||||||
| 10 | walk ID: 2530286 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 19:52 | Unreal stuff. I just rang off with a close friend who also lives near the water. He said so far the feeling is that his home is "relatively safe," but he also said with 100mph gusts, he cannot feel secure. His business is in a danger area, and is threatened, and he has some employees who have had to be evacuated. Seems like hell on earth down there. Good luck Astade and GL!! | ||||||
| 11 | GoatLocker Sustainer ID: 060151121 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 20:10 |
I feel pretty good where we are, but the air quality is horrible. At one time yesterday, there were 4 fires inside of about a 15 mile radius and another 2 inside of 30 miles from the house. Closest was 7 miles and is now 100% contained. In the 7 Southern Counties now, they are saying over 500,000 have been evacuated. Assets are on the way from Arizona and Nevada. Problem now is the wind gusts today have been even worse and most of the air assets have been grounded. Cliff | ||||||
| 12 | Astade ID: 5935164 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 20:14 |
Thanks for the wishes walk. Although my area is considered 'safe'. The worrisome aspect that I see is the air quality. Given the rest of the day off, I endeavored to Torrey Pines Golf course to try out their range. Upon arrival I was informed that it was closed (along with all other parks/courses) because of the air quality. Yes, I was dismayed, but it got me thinking about what has been burning and the relative risk. I guess with all the synthetic materials including asbestos it's best to stay indoors. The other worry I have is in regards to the containment. Granted hearing about thousands of acres been burned is troublesome, but I am more worried that on average the containment is being reported as less than 10%. I'm sure the firefighters are doing their best, but it sounds like we have a long way to go. | ||||||
| 13 | Pancho Villa ID: 495272016 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 22:07 | Just talked to my stepmom in DeLuz above Temecula. She's looking down at the Fallbrook fire from her kitchen window. Fortunately, the winds are coming from the east, otherwise it would be an immediate concern. | ||||||
| 14 | Richard Dude ID: 204252420 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 22:49 |
My daughter lives in Del Mar just east of I-5. Her apartment is only a couple of miles from the beach and she was told today that she's in a mandatory evacuation zone. She's packed up as much as she can in the back of her Escape and has moved to a friend's place further south - hopefully out of the fire's path. It's hard to imagine a fire moving from Ramona thru Poway and into Del Mar. Lots of housing developments on that path. Classes at USCD, where she is a senior, have been cancelled and students are being told to get out to the fire's path. | ||||||
| 15 | Bond, James Bond Donor ID: 04352469 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 23:34 | How did the fires start? | ||||||
| 16 | GoatLocker Sustainer ID: 060151121 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 23:48 |
Different start points for the different fires. Malibu they think was a power line taken down by the wind. Irvine they believe was arson. A lot of the others they are not sure of yet. Looks like the Witch Creek fire will be much, much worse than 2003. They are now guessing 500 homes and 100 businesses so far and no where near stopping it. Looks like both of our kids will be mandatory evacuations and they are as far as the can get from each other and still be in the county. One north in Oceanside and one South and East in El Cajon. Cliff | ||||||
| 17 | GoatLocker Sustainer ID: 060151121 Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 09:20 |
MBJ, Thanks alot for your link by the way. They are doing a good job of trying to stay on top of what is really going on down there. And that is becoming harder and harder to do right now. The issues with the evacuations might seem wierd to those not in the know, but they are trying so hard not to have the number of deaths that they did in 2003. Part of the problem then was waiting too late to tell people to go. Part of the problem now is they are telling people to go and they won't and the fire fighters are spending time working moving bodies vice fighting the fire. Kind of a no win situation. Here is one more link, that is fairly time late, but does a resonable job of showing what is going on in the county. Fire and Evacuation Areas Cliff | ||||||
| 18 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 454491514 Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 11:30 |
San Diego reporter covers the destruction of his own house. | ||||||
| 19 | GoatLocker Sustainer ID: 060151121 Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 19:38 |
This is going to be long, but is a wrap up on where things are at right now. Or, I guess I should say as of this morning. VENTURA COUNTY Ranch fire: 54,716 acres in the Castaic area near Piru. 70 percent contained. One home, eight outbuildings destroyed, 500 homes and 50 commercial buildings threatened. One injury reported. SAN DIEGO COUNTY Witch fire: About 196,420 acres in northern San Diego County from Witch Creek to Rancho Santa Fe. 20 percent contained. 645 homes, 30 commercial properties destroyed. Two civilians and 12 firefighters injured. Containment expected Sunday. Poomacha fire: 35,000 acres on the La Jolla Indian Reservation and in northeastern San Diego County. 10 percent contained. 50 homes destroyed and 2,000 homes threatened. Eight firefighters, four civilians injured. Horno/Ammo fire: 10,000 acres on the Camp Pendleton Marine base. 40 percent contained. Harris fire: 75,000 acres burned 70 miles southeast of San Diego north of the border town of Tecate. Ten percent contained. 155 structures and two commercial buildings destroyed, 2,000 homes and 500 commercial properties threatened. One civilian killed, 21 injured civilians and seven injured firefighters. Containment expected Nov. 4. Rice fire: 9,000 acres in Fallbrook in northern San Diego County. 20 percent contained. 206 homes and two commercial properties destroyed. One firefighter injured. LOS ANGELES COUNTY Buckweed fire: About 38,356 acres south of Agua Dulce in northeastern Los Angeles County. Contained. 15 homes, 17 outbuildings, two bridges and 40 vehicles destroyed. Three civilians and two firefighters injured. About 15,000 people and 5,500 homes evacuated. Canyon fire: About 4,565 acres in coastal community of Malibu. Contained. Six homes, two businesses and a church destroyed and nine homes and five commercial buildings damaged. Three firefighters suffered minor injuries. Cost estimated at $4.2 million. About 1,500 people evacuated. Magic fire: About 2,824 acres in northern Los Angeles County, including Stevenson Ranch. Contained. No damages or injuries. ORANGE COUNTY Santiago fire: About 19,200 acres east of Irvine. 50 percent contained. Nine homes destroyed; eight homes and 12 outbuildings damaged. Four minor injuries to firefighters. SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY Slide fire: 10,800 acres in Green Valley Lake area of the San Bernardino Mountains, east of Lake Arrowhead. No containment. At least 200 homes destroyed. No injuries reported. Grass Valley fire: 1,100 acres in Grass Valley area northwest of Lake Arrowhead in the San Bernardino Mountains. 30 percent contained. At least 113 homes destroyed. No injuries reported. An estimated 10,000 homes in the mountain resort communities around both fires are threatened. Thousands of residents and a hospital evacuated. RIVERSIDE COUNTY Rosa fire: 411 acres near Temecula. 85 percent contained. SANTA BARBARA COUNTY Sedgewick fire: 710 acres near Los Olivos. Contained. No evacuations. No homes destroyed and no reports of injuries. And not in here, but added today, 2 bodies were found in a burned out home in Poway. It is known that they were told to evacuate, but assumed that they decided not to. Just huge numbers. Cliff | ||||||
| 20 | GoatLocker Sustainer ID: 060151121 Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 20:00 |
And they have found four more bodies in San Diego in the last half hour. Guess people just don't understand mandatory evacuation and how important their life is. Cliff | ||||||
| 21 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 10:31 |
I think Cliff, its the "wont happen to ME" syndrome more than anything else. Genuine catastrophe you folks are dealing with out there. Stay safe my frined. | ||||||
| 22 | Seattle Zen ID: 49112418 Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 14:18 |
I'm glad that the worst of it seems over. I have lived through a much less intense wildfire and I must say that it was quite an experience. I'll never forget how orange the sky was at dusk and the overwhelming smokiness of every breath. It felt biblical. I am certain that everyone evacuated this week will never forget it. I also hope that people living on California hillsides will landscape their lots in a way that will prevent their homes from going up in flames like the lucky few homes you see on the news. | ||||||
| 23 | Perm Dude ID: 8934317 Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 09:35 | Boy, playing with matches, started wildfires | ||||||
| 24 | Doug ID: 53937413 Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 05:36 | Yes, and one or two others were believed to be arson. But most were natural. We continue to develop and build in areas where things like this are going to happen. It's not just California... people build in a flood plain and then act surprised when 10 (or 20 or however many) years later their entire neighborhood is submersed. I'm not saying I'm unsympathetic to people who lost everything... many may not have even been aware of the danger/risk of where they bought their home. But zoning boards and developers have run out of places to go, yet our population in these high-demand areas keeps growing and growing... and yes, there's money to be made by developing these areas as well. But I don't think you can take something like this and point at any one particular group and go "Oh, it's all THEIR fault"... although it does seem to be human nature to want to do so. A nature we should know well enough to resist. Unlike mother nature... where resistance is futile. ;) | ||||||
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