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Subject: NY Gov Spitzer involved in Prostitution Ring?! Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall - Leader [01629107] Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 14:25 NYT Gov. Eliot Spitzer has informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, an administration official said this morning.A press conference for this afternoon has been announced. | |||||||
| 56 | Perm Dude ID: 82301110 Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 16:47 | We know. Donkey. | ||||||
| 57 | revvingparson Sustainer ID: 059856912 Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 17:29 |
The problem once again isn't about sex but trying to avoid the laws on large transactions "...Spitzer last year had wanted to wire transfer more than $10,000 from his branch to what turned out to be the front for the prostitution ring, QAT Consulting Group, which also uses a number of other names, in New Jersey, the sources said. But Spitzer had the money broken down into several smaller amounts of under $10,000 each, apparently to avoid getting around federal regulations requiring the reporting of the transfer of $10,000 or more, the sources said. The regulations are aimed at helping spot possible illegal business activities, such as frauds or drug deals. Apparently, having second thoughts about even sending the total amount in this manner because it still might reveal what he was doing, Spitzer then asked that the bank to take his name off the wires, the sources said. Bank officials declined, however, saying that it was improper to do so and in any event, it was too late to do so, because the money already had been sent, the sources said. The bank then, as is required by law, filed an SAR, or Suspicious Activity Report, with the Internal Revenue Service, reporting the transfer of the money that exceeded $10,000, but had been broken down into smaller amounts, the sources said." IF this is what truly happened, its time to step down ASAP because he broke the law and sought others to help him break the law. Good for the bank who told him sorry Governor the law says you can't and we can't and won't do that. Interestingly law enforcement was interested because they thought he might be getting blackmailed. | ||||||
| 58 | Seattle Zen ID: 49112418 Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 17:38 | I don't do federal criminal law, so I don't know these statutes. There may be a requirement that you are prohibited from "smurfing" - making numerous small cash transfers to avoid the $10,000 reporting requirements - if you are doing it for tax evasion or money laundering or some such. Hiding the transactions from the press or your wife might not be a violation of this law. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd look up the statute. | ||||||
| 59 | Madman ID: 14139157 Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 19:21 | Looks to me like Clinton is going to lose another delegate ... | ||||||
| 60 | walk ID: 562271119 Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 21:32 | Agree with MITH #27. Just resign. He went after prostitution aggressively, claiming it was associated with human trafficking. These claims have validity. He should resign. How can he effectively govern with such impuned ethics, apparent hypocrisy and dubious motives. Who would listen to this guy anymore? | ||||||
| 61 | walk ID: 562271119 Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 21:33 | MSNBC is saying that Spitzer may have been involved as a client of prostitutes for the last ten years, with tens of thousands of dollars spent. Dumb fcuker. | ||||||
| 62 | Boldwin ID: 3013265 Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 22:21 |
NPR today reported Spitzer himself was a force in giving banks the role of reporting suspicious activity. It makes you take seriously the idea that 'what goes around comes around' is a deterministic inescapable moral law on equal footing with the laws of physics. | ||||||
| 63 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 03:50 |
What is gained by a system that loses a Gingerich but retains the Clintons? Because Gingrich was calling for Clinton to resign because Clinton had an affair (While at the same Gingrich was having an affair himself). Therefore Gingrich had no choice but to resign when he was caught having an affair. Clinton on the other hand wasn't calling for anyone to resign for having an affair. This is the same point I am making about Spitzer. I don't think he should resign because he had sex with prostitutes, I think that it should be legalized. The reason I am outraged is he threw people in jail for exactly what he was doing. In fact your Gingrich Clinton example is a perfect comparison and you didn't even realize you were making it. Gingrich would have been welcome to stay had he not set the bar for himself and always run with the moral supremacist's and called for Clinton's resignation. This is exactly why Spitzer will be forced to resign. | ||||||
| 64 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 03:55 |
And yeah I know, Clinton lied about it too, but there was enough moral outrage by the Republicans, including Gingrich, over the affair itself, that he was left with little choice but to exit. | ||||||
| 65 | sarge33rd ID: 76442923 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 09:21 | ABC News just broadcast that Spitzer will resign today and that Lt Gov Patterson(? Adderson maybe) will become Gov. | ||||||
| 66 | Boldwin ID: 3013265 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 10:32 |
Nerve Nevertheless Gingerich was a far better influence on this country, a more honorable man and not remotely the walking scandal generator Clinton was. It is exceedingly deleterious to promote the idea that anything goes as long as the perp is a conscienceless sociopath who considers themself beyond the rules of conduct but rather the only people who should resign are people conscious of their fallen nature and therefore 'hypocrits' if they fail their own code of conduct. Unless you actually want a world run by sociopaths. | ||||||
| 67 | Perm Dude ID: 58257128 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 10:58 |
Nevertheless Gingerich was a far better influence on this country, a more honorable man and not remotely the walking scandal generator Clinton was. This attempt to make it not about your point makes it all, well, pointless. | ||||||
| 68 | Seattle Zen ID: 49112418 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:33 |
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| 69 | Great One ID: 1122611 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:41 | ALBANY, N.Y. - With pressure mounting on Gov. Eliot Spitzer to resign over a call-girl scandal, investigators said Tuesday he was clearly a repeat customer who spent tens of thousands of dollars — perhaps as much as $80,000 — with the high-priced prostitution service over an extended period of time. | ||||||
| 70 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:43 | I just watched his motorcade pull around the corner to his NYC office. I work in a building across the street. The press conference in which he is expected to resign will happen any moment. | ||||||
| 71 | Tree ID: 3533298 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:59 | yep, he's resigned... | ||||||
| 72 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:07 | Tree you know its your turn in the draft, right? | ||||||
| 73 | Tree ID: 3533298 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:14 | no, i didn't. lol. i'll pick now... | ||||||
| 74 | revvingparson Sustainer ID: 059856912 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:21 | ...and the new Lt Gov will be Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno(R) per the NY state Constitution. There will now only be a 2 seat Republican majority but Lt. Gov breaks senate ties. Not sure how Bruno's seat will be replaced. | ||||||
| 75 | Perm Dude ID: 58257128 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:23 |
Probably by a stuffed pig, if I recall Bruno from my days in NY. He's losing a heck of a lot of power moving into that position. | ||||||
| 76 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:23 | I think Bruno keeps his seat. My understanding from Bruno's press conference is that he effectively becomes Lt. Governor for the purpose of playing the tiebreaker role in the Senate. | ||||||
| 77 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:23 |
For anyone shedding a tear for Mr. Spitzer today, here are some edited points from a NY Times article today. I think the prick is getting exactly what is coming to him... Again my complaint is not that he has been caught with a prostitute, it's that he prosecuted and pushed laws to throw people in jail, that he was engaging in, for what should be a victemless crime. (Unless there is true human trafficing involved which is in my mind on par with kidnapping) As New York’s attorney general, Eliot Spitzer had broken up prostitution rings before, but this 2004 case took on a special urgency for him. Prosecuting an international sex tourism business based in Queens, he listened to the entreaties of women’s advocates long frustrated by state laws that fell short of dealing with a sex trade expanding rapidly across borders. And with his typical zeal, he embraced their push for new legislation, including a novel idea at its heart: Go after the men who seek out prostitutes. It was a question of supply and demand, they all agreed. And one effective way to suppress the demand was to raise the penalties for patronizing a prostitute. In his first months as governor last year, Mr. Spitzer signed the bill into law. Now the human rights groups, which credit him with what they call the toughest and most comprehensive anti-sex-trade law in the nation, are in shock. Mr. Spitzer stands accused of being one of the very men his law was designed to catch and punish. it also lays the groundwork for a more aggressive crackdown on demand, by increasing the penalty for patronizing a prostitute, a misdemeanor, to up to a year in jail, from a maximum of three months. “One of the goals of the human trafficking law was the acknowledgment that demand is a critical factor in sex trafficking,” she said. “And as a result of that, it increased the penalties for patronizing a prostitute across the board, whether or not the person is trafficked.” See Ya Spitz, hopefully the jury doesn't give you the same penalties you advised for others. | ||||||
| 78 | walk ID: 181472714 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 16:59 | Man, what a buffoon. | ||||||
| 79 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:16 |
Baldwin when I read your response in post 66 I wonder if you even understand that 1+1=2. | ||||||
| 80 | Madman ID: 14139157 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 18:12 | Does anyone know what this Kristen looked like? We can't fully evaluate Spitzer's judgment without knowing what he was buying for $5k/hr. | ||||||
| 81 | Seattle Zen ID: 49112418 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 18:13 |
 Money well spent. | ||||||
| 82 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 18:27 | another "rumored" pic | ||||||
| 83 | Boldwin ID: 3013265 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 18:40 | Certain narcistic sociopaths [like Bill] get an extra jolt out of the feeling of untouchability/invincibility and 'catch-me-if-you-can' and I have to wonder if that wasn't at work here. | ||||||
| 84 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:14 | Who was that preacher recently found to be having gay affairs? Just curious Boldy, why you didnt insert HIS name instead of Bill? I mean, that was FAR more recent and more relevanmt in that it was a person of power/authority preaching one behavior while excercising another. (I may have missed it, but I dont recall Bill ever proclaiming that monogamy was the end-all-be-all of human life. And no, I'm not defending his actions/choices.) | ||||||
| 85 | Boldwin ID: 3013265 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:38 |
Just citing the most famous narcistic sociopath. I don't listen to, follow, keep track of or defend leading preachers in other religions. You liberals actually would come down harder on a tea-totaller who had one drink than on a Barney Frank incapable of shame and therefore magically immune to the only sin liberals recognize, hypocracy. | ||||||
| 86 | Tree ID: 242231217 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:40 |
her myspace page... (including the FULL bikini shot from the above photo... the hits for that page are going up at a rate of like 10,000 a minute... | ||||||
| 87 | Tree ID: 242231217 Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:51 | in the two hours and 10 minutes since i posted that link, she has literally gotten 1 million hits. | ||||||
| 88 | Wilmer McLean ID: 492161116 Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 03:18 |
Spitzer gubernatorial campaign ad: | ||||||
| 89 | Razor ID: 420241513 Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 09:56 | Why the hell does CNN.com have a picture of a prostitute as its headline article? And why are they digging around on her Myspace page? Is this what passes for journalism these days? | ||||||
| 90 | Tree ID: 3533298 Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 10:10 |
no, but it passes for news. based on the sheer amount of hits she's gotten in the last 12 hours, obviously, a lot of people are interested. | ||||||
| 91 | Boldwin ID: 3013265 Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 11:02 | Being an out and out prostitute she's prolly not a hypocrit so why don't Dems run her to replace him next term? She's obviously real popular, great name rcognition and blessedly free of the only sin Dems recognize. | ||||||
| 92 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 11:08 | The only sin you seem to recognize, is having a (D) associated with your name. IE, you dont keep up with recently fallen preachers of different religions (at least not when they have an (R) on their voter registration card), but you certainly name Dems whose actions constitute sin in your eyes, from years past. | ||||||
| 93 | Boldwin ID: 3013265 Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 06:14 | You don't read well. I thot those preachers were false shepherds and wolves fleecing the flocks before they 'fell'. No need to track them. God's adverse judgment will start with them. | ||||||
| 94 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 07:09 |
Ironic that I find validation of my points to Baldwin about why Clinton "was left off the hook" in the end for his scandal in a Newspaper in Dubai. The quote below is taken from a newspaper here although quotes in the article were from Siva Vaidhyanaphan, professor of media studies at the University of Virginia and Zogby International polling firms, John Zogby. Moreover, Vaidhyanaphan added, pointing to Spitzer’s fall, “There is now a much lower tolerance of hypocrisy.” In Clinton’s case, Vaidhyanaphan said, he completed his mandate still one of the most popular presidents in modern times because “Americans were willing to excuse his behavior because he was never hypocritical about it, and he seemed sincere in his apologies.” The head of Zogby International polling firm, John Zogby, agreed hypocrisy was the main reason of Spitzer’s downfall. “Voters just don’t like people who say one thing and then completely do another,” he said. “In Spitzer’s case, the hypocrisy has been palpable... Spitzer was not in any position to beg forgiveness because he never, ever forgave.” link | ||||||
| 95 | Perm Dude ID: 22253156 Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 08:57 | Also, there is a difference between sex given away and sex paid for in our society. | ||||||
| 96 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 14:23 |
Also, there is a difference between sex given away and sex paid for in our society. PD haven't you heard...you always "pay" for it in one form or another...marriage might be the most expensive way to go about acquiring it, unless you marry into money... 8-} | ||||||
| 97 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 13:55 |
I don't care what you think of Ann Coulter. THIS is good writing. And now Spitzer's entire anal-retentive, good paper-writing life has collapsed in the horrifying image of a frenzied masturbator. This is the most complete coup de grace imaginable, short of an assassin's bullet. | ||||||
| 98 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 14:12 |
THIS is good writing. I certainly see why the author of such literary treasures as post 443 here would think so. | ||||||
| 99 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 16:26 |
Look, you can't be the ruling party AND have the ability to outrage. That's gonna be mine soon and I'm gonna use it. That, and "The Great Leader did this, but he could have done MORE." I guess you're just getting it out now while you still can. | ||||||
| 100 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 16:28 |
Has anyone yet commented on two interesting facts about this scenario? 1) A male politician is finally caught with a WOMAN this time. 2) The guy's name is Spitzer. I mean, c'mon, a sex scandal involving the name Spitzer. That doesn't make you laugh? | ||||||
| 101 | Wilmer McLean ID: 342431614 Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 16:50 |
Expecting this on Law & Order next season. But, which one? Criminal Intent? SVU? ;) | ||||||
| 102 | Tree ID: 02141622 Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 00:26 |
2) The guy's name is Spitzer. I mean, c'mon, a sex scandal involving the name Spitzer. That doesn't make you laugh? no more so than if it were a guy named Bush. or Dick. Or Willie. and so on, and so on. | ||||||
| 103 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 01:27 |
The woman involved has already made more the a million dollars on the scandal by selling downloads of her songs. She had two songs available on a download site at .99 cents each. The tracks are getting downloaded and have passed the million mark and she gets .70 cents on each download. She's also in negotiations with Penthouse and Hustler to pose nude. 15 minutes of fame, cash in while you can baby. | ||||||
| 104 | Building 7 ID: 22271821 Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 00:36 |
What if Spitzer had been the governor of Nevada? Would there have even been a crime? I haven't read this whole thread to see if this point has been brought up. | ||||||
| 105 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 03:33 |
Would there have even been a crime? I haven't read this whole thread to see if this point has been brought up. 1) It's sort of beside the point since it didn't happen in Nevada. 2) Prostitution is only legal in, I think, 1 county in Nevada, not the whole state. It's not even legal in Vegas. (although lot's of blind eyes) 3) What you haven't read in the thread is the hypocrisy practiced by creating laws to throw people in jail, and aggressively prosecuting laws for a crime he was committing himself. 4) You should read the whole thread, a rare chance on these forums to see Dems actually criticize one of their own..although they are finally criticizing Hillary too now that the love Obama. 5) Please dems don't give me a hard time about comment 4 I've never voted for any Republican in my life. | ||||||
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