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Subject: Sean Bell killers found not guilty
Posted by: Tree
- [3533298] Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 09:56
i'm not sure how much play this case has gotten outside of NYC. But for the last 18 months or so, the killing of unarmedSean Bell and wounding of two of his friends (also unarmed) by Police has been big news here in NYC, as my fellow city dwellers can attest to.
within the last 45 minutes or so, the three cops on trial were found not guilty, and personally i'm disgusted.
I understand that perhaps these guys thought their lives were in danger. i mean, it was 4 am, it was dark, they were hanging out in a bar looking investigating other things, and sometimes these things happen.
but to me, this is a case of giving cops too much power, and there are no repercussions when they are reckless with the weapons and trust they are given.
one cop fired his gun 31 times, taking time to reload.
another cop's bullets went into an elevated train station nearby.
it just bewilders me that three unarmed guys in a car cause such fear in three cops they unload over 50 bullets - and again, over 30 of them from one cop who stopped to reload.
it just doesn't make any sense these guys committed no crime. |
| 1 | mike belgrove
ID: 5352258
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 10:52
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We been covering Sean Bell's case over at Highbrid Nation from the start and when I read today that the police officers were aquitted I was in serious disbelief. An unarmed man was shot 50 times and the people who did it are not responsible at all!? That's crazy.
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| 2 | Jag
ID: 1632499
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 11:34
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An unarmed man that tried to run the police over in his car.
This is a look at me, I am a good Liberal and I am appauled a black man was killed. What about the black man in NY that shot an unarmed white kid in the head and received more jail time for an illegal firearm than for killing the teenager.
There was a book on racial crimes in 1993 called 'Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", and it has stats showing 90% of all racial crimes are perpetrated against whites, but I guess that's ok, in fact it is probably racist to even mention it.
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| 3 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 11:54
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What about the black man in NY that shot an unarmed white kid in the head and received more jail time for an illegal firearm than for killing the teenager.
would that be the case where the kid, and his friends, came to that man's house threatening his own child?
yes, it would. i woulda done the same thing. you try and hurt my family, and i will defend them to the death.
There was a book on racial crimes in 1993 called 'Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", and it has stats showing 90% of all racial crimes are perpetrated against whites, but I guess that's ok, in fact it is probably racist to even mention it.
show me those stats then. here's the entire book.
because until then, i'm going to call you out as a liar, based on my quick perusal of the book.
remember, there is a difference in crimes perpetuated on one race to another, and racial crimes. i might have missed it, but i saw nothing in there about racial crimes.
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| 4 | Jag
ID: 1632499
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 12:41
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The kids were at the end of the driveway and were of no threat, he could simply of called the police. If the races were reversed you would of been making a thread similiar to this one on how a poor black kid was murdered.
I choose to call all different race on race crimes 'racial crime', I am sure your definition is just white on any other race.
Bottom line is you have absolutely no objectivity and will flip postition on a dime according to race. You are a caricature of the typical Liberal.
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| 5 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 12:50
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The kids were at the end of the driveway and were of no threat, he could simply of called the police.
the kids were at the driveway, drunk, threatening to attack the man's son, threatening to rape his wife, and yelling racial slurs.
i'm not sure i would have reacted differently. it takes about a half second to get from a driveway to the front door, and in the time i turn my back, they could be on me.
I choose to call all different race on race crimes 'racial crime', I am sure your definition is just white on any other race.
and the overwheming majority of crime victims are black. what's your point?
no - my definition of a "racial crime" is when race/color/creed/etc is a motivating factor. be it black, white, hispanic, asian, pacific islander, or what have you.
if it's a black guy murdering a white guy, it's not a racial crime, unless he killed him because he was white.
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| 6 | Boxman
ID: 337352111
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 13:10
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Tree: Do you dispute the attempted vehical homicide that Jag stated earlier? Because if it's a gun, a knife, or a car trying to kill you I'd don't see the difference as far allowing the police to protect themselves.
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| 7 | Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 13:15
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"Attempted vehicular homicide" is disputable.
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| 8 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 14:20
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Do you dispute the attempted vehical homicide that Jag stated earlier?
without question. there is zero proof that Sean Bell attempted to kill a police officer with his car.
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| 9 | Jag
ID: 1632499
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 14:58
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Page 23
For the 20% of violent crimes that are interacial
15% involve white victims and black offenders
3% involve white victims and other-race offenders
2% involve black victims and white offenders
Want me to show you how to do the math?
I am so sick of hearing how whites victimize blacks when the truth is in 1992 the number of blacks victimizing whites were 750% higher. The number could be higher now. Yet Liberals and the media prefer to dwell on the small small minority of white on black crime.
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| 10 | biliruben
ID: 33258140
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 15:04
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Maybe you're reading the wrong media. I don't even see this case as white on black crime. I see cops gunning down an unarmed dude in a hail of gunfire.
Sue me, I'm copist.
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| 11 | Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 15:07
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Jag
For the record it was you who introduced the issue of race into this discussion. Tree's thread subject made no mention of black or white.
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| 12 | Jag
ID: 1632499
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 15:14
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If the victim had been white, do you think Tree would have made the post?
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| 13 | Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 15:22
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I don't see why that matters.
Anyway, I was at the courthouse for this event today. My first field assignment. Pretty memorable experience.
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| 14 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 15:32
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15% involve white victims and black offenders
3% involve white victims and other-race offenders
2% involve black victims and white offenders
Want me to show you how to do the math?
i knew that was the part you were going to pull out. that has nothing to do with racial crime, whatsoever. it's a demographical statistic broken down by race, and nothing more.
If the victim had been white, do you think Tree would have made the post?
yea, i do. do you really think this is the first time i've commented on police brutality???
Anyway, I was at the courthouse for this event today. My first field assignment.
damn MITH, that's pretty freakin' cool. thrust right into the middle of a big story, where i'm sure the energy and the buzz was something you felt in the air. that's cool.
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| 15 | Jag
ID: 1632499
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 15:36
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In what capacity, Mith?
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| 16 | Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 15:53
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I was there with our liveshot crew. Normally I'm on the newsroom side of remote feeds but today's shot was difficult for a number of reasons and extra hands were needed in the field to cover various potential problems.
Pretty exciting environment.
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| 17 | Jag
ID: 1632499
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 16:12
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Sounds great. What is your job in the telecast?
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| 18 | Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 16:22
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My title is assignment editor but that's actually a bit of a misnomer. People with responsibilities similar to mine at other networks usually have a technical production manager title. I also have a second job with a newsgathering agency called NNS (a cooperative between CBS, ABC and FOX local affiliates) located at the CBS Broadcast HQ where my title is satellite coordinator.
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| 19 | Jag
ID: 1632499
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 16:42
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Nice, hope you are enjoying it.
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| 20 | J-Bar
ID: 273132610
Sat, Apr 26, 2008, 12:25
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the only information that we the people have on this case is what the media has given. those jurists listened and deliberated over the actual testimony and all of the evidence and i will grant that our justice system may not be perfect but IMO it's the best in the world. on a side note aren't the people complaining about the number of shots the same ones that said that a cop can't hit a broad side of a barn in a heated moment and if that fact is true then the cops also know this and would continue shooting until they feel the threat is adequately diminshed.
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| 21 | Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Sat, Apr 26, 2008, 12:54
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It was a bench trial. No jury. The judge cited reasonable doubt. Based on what I've heard and read about the case, that sounds reasonable to me. For whatever that's worth.
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| 22 | J-Bar
ID: 273132610
Sat, Apr 26, 2008, 12:57
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sorry about that, i was making more of a general comment, thanks for the opinion of one that is there. we should all remember that beyond a reasonable doubt is a very high threshold.
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| 23 | Tree
ID: 39322620
Sat, Apr 26, 2008, 22:25
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while watching some coverage this morning, one lawyer (not involved with the case) said it can be very difficult to determine whether the cops were completely reckless, or just in utter fear for their lives, the latter of which is not a crime.
i can accept that premise.
that being said, i still have huge issues with one cop shooting 31 times, even taking time to reload. that to me, is no longer fear for ones life.
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