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Subject: NPR Unwittingly nails all that is wrong the USA Posted by: Myboyjack - [8216923] Sat, Jul 19, 2008, 21:39 Seriously, it's all here Her father worked at General Motors for 45 years before retiring. Her mother taught driver's education. Nunez and her six siblings grew up middle class..... | |||||||
| 1 | Boldwin ID: 406201020 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 07:06 |
I'm actually a little uncomfortable putting it that simply, MBJ. BTW I actually caught this one on NPR. That they would get that advice and get it often, play the system, add an unsupported child to the mix...that is very very telling. That is a sign of blackest dysfunction, in the system, not of those two of course. What to make of their weight...I dunno. Of course Dinesh D'sousa [sp?] says that was anything but a sign of what's wrong with America 'The land where even the poor are fat'. A sign of a bad diet, making you fatter than a good diet? Depression causing lethargy? Genetics no doubt. Yes if we were less concerned even the lethargic depressed eating so much less poor diet would be moved to lower waist sizes and more work of some kind. At the cost of more starvation for those who couldn't figure any way out. We do have starvation in this country. Where I really get uncomfortable with your take is that a whole lotta Americans are gonna feel the effects of nafta/wto/globalism depredations and the double-whammy of suddenly competing with half of Mexica for low end jobs, with the Mexicans having all the the unfair advantages. The well educated...let me rephrase that...those with degrees and professional jobs may not feel this so much but the rest of America is in for a world of pain as the rug continues to get pulled out from under them by the power elite. It must be uber-hard to face that having memories of the good times as the child of an automobile industry [lower level?] executive. You don't really grow up with the right skill set for the new realities that way. | ||||||
| 2 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 08:15 |
I'm actually a little uncomfortable putting it that simply, MBJ. I'm with you here B. The liberalization of this country is also feeding into the proliferation of lifestyles like this. It's the victimization and self-loathing mentality during its finest hour. What makes them think that 12 bags of groceries over 7 or 8 (or even 0) is a right? People like this feel that they are owed something by those better off or the gov't. Why are they owed something? Under what legal basis are they owed anything other than the same laws we have to live by? This person has no high school degree. I went to night school to get my MBA. I sacrificed time and treasure to better myself. What did this person sacrifice to better themselves? That is what is inherently wrong with this country. We focus on the lowest common denominator way too much. Instead of providing systems for these people to get their "rights" (I don't recall 12 bags of groceries being in the Constitution) we need to create a system that provides a much lower safety net and gives these people a dose of reality. Sometimes people need to see the abyss in order to turn their lives around and find that motivation to improve yourself. What doesn't help is the socialist mentality that other people are to blame for your problems and that you have done nothing wrong. Now the liberal wingnuts on this forum will undoubtedly say that I don't care about the poor. Yawn. I DO care about the poor and that's why I want them to have the sufficient motivation to not be poor anymore. Yet they are used as a voting block. Imagine if we woke up tomorrow and all the poor had middle class incomes and could afford a decent lifestyle. Would their voting preferences change? Probably. Therefore those with a vested interest in seeing that not change will not facilitate any meaningful progress to change their lot in life. | ||||||
| 3 | Perm Dude ID: 17656208 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 10:05 |
I think that there is a point about the poor having less healthy food choices, combined with poor food education, having an unhealthy affect. But man, what a picture to go with that, MBJ! And I think you are exactly right that the solution to the problem is for them to stop talking about how you'they've had to cut out ice cream and start talking about how they'll work on their problems. Too many welfare recipients are about placing blame rather than looking for solutions even given their limited options. | ||||||
| 4 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 10:21 |
I think that there is a point about the poor having less healthy food choices, combined with poor food education, having an unhealthy affect. Bollocks. Are the poor banned from the produce section of the grocery store? The grocery store by me has a 3 lb bag of apples for $2; priced only for the uber-wealthy I suppose. As far as poor food education is concerned, can we blame our outstanding public school system for that? Or are people too dense to realize that a banana is healthier than a Ho-ho? | ||||||
| 5 | Boldwin ID: 406201020 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 10:46 | Carbo-loading without the marathon is not a pretty picture. | ||||||
| 6 | Myboyjack ID: 8216923 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 11:12 | Let me be clear. The problem is not that there are obese poor people in America. The problem is that there are far too many people from every strata that sit around on their asses waiting for someone else to solve their problems while they stuff their face at the government trough. That applies too these fat disgraces and to other entities fat and soft in other, more figurative ways. | ||||||
| 7 | Perm Dude ID: 17656208 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 12:13 |
#4: Always gotta go for the extreme example, as though that's the whole picture. Jeez. People learn most of their food attitudes from their parents, and their parents are fat f*cks who stuff their faces then guess what--they'll have fat, unproductive kids. Education overcomes this partially. Or are you too dense to think it will have any affect? Are you one of those anti-education know-nothings? I certainly agree with MBJ's posts above. | ||||||
| 8 | Tree ID: 356122011 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 12:28 |
I think that there is a point about the poor having less healthy food choices, combined with poor food education, having an unhealthy affect. Bollocks. Are the poor banned from the produce section of the grocery store? The grocery store by me has a 3 lb bag of apples for $2; priced only for the uber-wealthy I suppose. As far as poor food education is concerned, can we blame our outstanding public school system for that? Or are people too dense to realize that a banana is healthier than a Ho-ho? sounds to me like YOU need a food education. yea, apples are healthy. yes, a banana is healthier than a ho-ho - in fact, i think a banana is a near-daily staple for people who want to get healthy and get into shape. but things like apples and bananas are also VERY heavy in carbs and sugars, and if you eat a diet subsisting strictly of that that, you're not going to be very healthy. you need proteins - preferably the lean kinds, like chicken with no skin, turkey, fresh fish, etc etc. and for the most part, good quality stuff like that isn't cheap. Yea, you can go with beans, but as the phrase goes "man cannot live by bread alone"... good healthy proteins, the building block of a healthy body, are out of the price range for a lot of the poor. | ||||||
| 9 | Myboyjack ID: 8216923 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 13:14 |
Diet is not these peoples' problem. Sitting on their butts all day is their downfall. These people don't eat any worse a diet than people in Europe as far as carbs and sugars go. However, people in Europe walk off their calories. Despite all the beer and wine and cheese and bread and sausage you have to search for a fattie in Germany or France. Walk. | ||||||
| 10 | Kyle Donor ID: 052753312 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 13:19 |
Actually Tree, I lived in a "communal living" at school a year back with 11 other people. We would all throw in $10 a week into a pot and go and buy food each day, each person taking turns cooking and cleaning. We were able to make some of the most delicious meals that were very healthy for under $15/meal. Chicken and pork were often the meats of choice, and most often we wouldn't have meat but beans or some other form of protein because we had a vegan in the group. (That's another story for another topic, but vegans are a pain in the ass. Eat the cows that produce methane and leave the plants that produce oxygen alone) We'd often have $30-40 left over and we'd go as a group to an ice cream store and treat ourselves for a job well done on Sundays. If we didn't have that left over money, we'd survive with out the treat. I doubt this family has 12 people living under it's roof. If you can survive and make meals for under $100/week with 12 college students (and trust me we didn't starve) you can do it for your 5 or 6 family members. It's called sacrifice. This kind of story just disgusts me. | ||||||
| 11 | Tree ID: 356122011 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 14:14 |
MBJ - no question. exercise is equally as important. you absolutely need both. but, if you're not eating healthy, it's not that easy to exercise. since i started going to the gym again, doing cardio, and lifting, i've realized that food is basically fuel for my body. i eat so much more now than i did when i was 40+ heavier six months ago, but what i eat is completely different. on the rare day i have a chicken sandwich (or some kind of sandwich) for lunch, i feel like crap at the gym later. but if i'm just having the chicken, or maybe a grilled chicken salad. the carbs don't really work for me when i'm trying to exercise. and MBJ - just walking to and fro isn't enough. i used to think "hey. i am constantly walking back and forth from my desk to the warehouse. multiple times a day," so that is good enough. well, it's not, and based on what i remember about you, you probably know that. i vaguely remember you being pretty "in shape"... i used to be, but not for years. i hadn't seen the inside of a gym in more than 15 years when i decided in january that it was now or never for me. i got on that treadmill, and for 30 minutes day, four days a week, walked at 3.5 mpg with a slight incline. i was exhausted and drenched in sweat when i was done. and because i did start to see instant weight loss results, i kept plugging away. eventually, i started to do interval training, but i had to teach myself to run again. as silly as i sounds, i had forgotten how to run. i'm now at the point where i'm running a faster mile than i ever ran in my life, and i can also do a very healthy sprint in the interval context. i've also started lifting to add some tone, and other than a bit of a set back last week where i might actually torn my labrum, i'm doing well. and while i never considered myself obese (and certainly not like the people in the photo), i was, by the definition of the word. i look dramatically different now than i did 6 months ago. but i'm no so far from removed from that point where i've forgotten how difficult it was to change my lifestyle. it is not as simple as just getting up to walk around the block - yea, you gotta start somewhere - but it's not about that. it's about changing the mindset OF AN ENTIRE CULTURE. there's no question it's an epidemic in this nation, and we brought it on ourselves. but saying "they just need to walk more" doesn't really cut it, because to someone who is out of shape to that extreme, walking 50 feet can be a difficult, embarassing, and exhausting thing. it is a lifestyle change, and that's not easy to accomplish. | ||||||
| 12 | C1-NRB ID: 551212915 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 14:42 |
Eat the cows that produce methane and leave the plants that produce oxygen alone. Line of the year. | ||||||
| 13 | azdbacker ID: 26651915 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 23:23 |
i used to be, but not for years. i hadn't seen the inside of a gym in more than 15 years when i decided in january that it was now or never for me. Props to you, Tree, on getting in shape. I came to the now-or-never conclusion last week, and began going to the gym this week. I'm not overweight; I'm actually pretty underweight, but I'm as unhealthy in my habits as I could be. Thinnest guy with a big beer belly you'll ever see. It is a lifestyle change and that's tough to do. Glad to know you are doing it, gives me a little inspiration. | ||||||
| 14 | Seattle Zen ID: 29241823 Sun, Jul 20, 2008, 23:36 |
Glad to hear you lost some weight, Tree. You might have torn your labia? Damn, what lift was that? (snicker) | ||||||
| 15 | Tree ID: 47616215 Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 06:32 |
It is a lifestyle change and that's tough to do. Glad to know you are doing it, gives me a little inspiration. i lost a lot of water weight the first week. even though i knew it was water weight, it really helped encourage me enough to keep going. but the fact is that the changes aren't necessarily overnight. beer was definitely a big things for me. and ice cream. and fried food. but ultimately, no exercise. now that i lost the weight, if i wanna have a few beers on the weekend, no problem. it really is the activity that makes a huge difference. but for so many people, it's hard to start. it took me 15 years. :o) You might have torn your labia? Damn, what lift was that? (snicker) that would be the Squat Thrust, of course. technically, it's a SLAP tear, but when you say Torn Labrum, people seem to know what you're talking about, although, some of the move childish people i know tend to make v@gina jokes. ;o) (man, i can't believe the filter on this board censors the word v@gina) | ||||||
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