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0 Subject: Expansive executive priviledge gets a setback

Posted by: Perm Dude
- [156503111] Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 20:03

Miers & Bolton compelled to testify.

The idea that people like Rove, Miers, and others can simply refuse to even show up is laughable. They can claim executive priviledge is questions pry too close to things, but they can't refuse to even take questions.

TPM story
1Seattle Zen
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      Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 23:29
Expect them to claim executive privilege as an answer to every question including "What is your name?". The courts will sort this out, sometime in 2009 or 10, when no one will care anymore.
2Perm Dude
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      Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 00:45
Sounds about right. But hours of executive privilege claims should about finish off this Administration.

It has gotten so bad, that even Republicans are walking out of meetings with Administrative officials, citing, essentially, Administration arrogance on matters in which they should be consulting with Congress.
3biliruben
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      Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 08:09
Kleiman suggests not waiting for the courts to sort it out.

"Without any support in the case law"

That's lawyerese for "complete bullsh*t." It's not what you ever want a federal judge to say about a claim made in court by the Department of Justice on behalf of the President of the United States. Or, rather, it's not what you want the Department of Justice to ever force a judge to say by making an utterly bogus claim; the credibility of the Administration in the courts is a national resource, one of the many this crew of clowns and grifters has wrecked. Presumably the judge, a Bush appointee himself, wouldn't have said it if he hadn't been forced to by the outrageousness of the arguments presented to him.

The case involves the Administration's claim of an absolute "executive privilege" against Congressional subpoena, a claim that, as the opinion notes, was shredded in Nixon v. United States. (Yes, I know that would be a good title for a biography of Tricky Dick, but it's also the name of the Watergate Tapes case.)

Clearly the Bushoids think they can just run the clock. So they can, if the Congress waits on the courts. But with this decision in hand, I'd favor the self-help approach. Once the recalcitrant ex-officials have been arrested and are in the custody of the Sergeant-at-Arms, the central doctrine asserted by the Administration — that the courts shouldn't intervene in fights between the two "political" branches — works for the Congress and not against it. Given how unpopular the President is, and how unpopular the Congress is mostly for being spineless, I bet the net political fallout is positive.

Update

...one power that Congress has at its disposal is inherent contempt. Following a citation for congressional contempt, Congress could dispatch the Sergeant-at-Arms to detain Ms. Miers and Mr. Bolten in preparation for a trial before Congress. See Morton Rosenberg, Cong. Research Serv., Congress’s Contempt Power: Law, History, Practice, and Procedure, No. 34-097, at 15 (2008), available [here]. In response to such action, both sides here appear to agree (see Tr. at 85) that Ms. Miers and Mr. Bolten would likely file a writ of habeas corpus with this Court to challenge the legality of their detention.

As a side-benefit, this might remind the wingers of why habeas was a good idea in the first place.
4Perm Dude
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      Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 11:14
I understand that Congress has a little jail in the basement, used just once or twice, for people that the Congress detained directly.
5sarge33rd
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      Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 13:08
I'd favor that move by Congress 175%!
6biliruben
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      Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 13:25
I posted with you in mind, Sarge. ;)
8sarge33rd
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      Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 15:41
lol TY bili!! Nice to know you remember. :)
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