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Subject: Why Zen is a liberal
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [493888] Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 12:30
Because idiots like this guy keep acting the way they do.
Can we all agree this is a bad thing? I really don't know what this guy thinks the First Amendment is for except to protest the goverment. This guy is practically Nixonian. |
| 1 | walk
ID: 181472714
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 12:52
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Eeeeesh. And the right wing complains about socialist healtchare. Totalitarianism anyone?
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| 2 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 13:47
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I hate protesters they should be seen as terrorist, they make my walks difficult with stupid protesting signs and yelling and asking me to support there cause. The worst have to be the register to vote people they asked me 5 times in 30 minute span while i sat and ate lunch if I was registered to vote. I know this comes off as bit sarcastic but i am serious here. I wonder how much productivity is lost to because of protesting? And this goes both ways...People have the freedom of speech but they should not have the right to interfere with my life.
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| 3 | Razor
ID: 545172413
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 13:51
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Terrorists like Rosa Parks, Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. have made the world a worse place for us all.
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| 4 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 13:53
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LOL at post 2. You terrorize the English language and make it hard for me to read your posts.
There has been a lot of focus on registering the homeless and the best place to inquire if a homeless man is registered is at food lines, Boikin. There are no free lunches.
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| 5 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 14:02
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There has been a lot of focus on registering the homeless and the best place to inquire if a homeless man is registered is at food lines, Boikin. There are no free lunches. through a technical loop hole the lunch was not free it cost a required $4 "donation".
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| 6 | Tree
ID: 13714198
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 14:11
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protesters they should be seen as terrorist, they make my walks difficult...
And this goes both ways...People have the freedom of speech but they should not have the right to interfere with my life.
call the freakin' WAHbulance.
even though you said your post was serious and not sarcastic, man, i can't imagine it as anything other than sarcastic, because it's such a silly post.
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| 7 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 14:21
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they do make my walks difficult. have you had to walk through protesters? It sucks. they terrorize me more than al queda ever has.
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| 8 | Perm Dude
ID: 493888
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 14:22
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tree lives in NYC, boikin. You can't swing a cat without hitting a pretenteous protester there.
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| 9 | walk
ID: 181472714
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 14:27
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Nothing like when I was in SF, PD. A far greater density of protesters.
I don't think protesters should interfere with your "path," boikin, but it is a very good American thing that we allow protest. It's a sign of an open democracy. Gotta have it (allowed)!
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| 10 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 14:46
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I don't think protesters should interfere with your "path," boikin, but it is a very good American thing that we allow protest. It's a sign of an open democracy. Gotta have it (allowed)! OK how about this what if I was kid skateboarding in the park minding my owe business not hurting anything the cops would chase me off as public nuisance, now if yell at people get in there way and say down with red meat i am considered integral part of society. tell me what is the difference
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| 11 | Perm Dude
ID: 493888
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 14:47
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Um, the Constitution?
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| 12 | Razor
ID: 545172413
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 14:51
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Apparently boikin's standard for legality is whether he likes it or not. Greater good? Ppphhtt.
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| 13 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 15:06
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PD it does? the kid can not claim he is protesting too? does that sticker on the bottom of his board saying free darfur does not count?
Razor i never questioned legality i said they interfere with my day and i do not like them and they should be seen as terrorist.
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| 14 | bibA
ID: 16954615
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 15:08
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So Boikin, what do you propose should be done with these terrorists? Guantanamo? Prison for their crime, which you define as terrorism? Should they be water boarded to ascertain the identities of others from their terrorist groups who are out there running rampant? Surely you do not feel they are deserving of constitutional protections such as a trial?
Just what do you believe should be done with terrorists?
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| 15 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 15:15
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just the same punishment the kid on the skateboard gets, harassment by the police, fines,,,
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| 16 | Perm Dude
ID: 493888
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 15:21
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A kid skateboarding is protesting? Maybe after he gets busted, if he wants to protest the law. But skateboarding isn't itself speech.
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| 17 | Tree
ID: 13714198
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 15:49
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they do make my walks difficult. have you had to walk through protesters? It sucks. they terrorize me more than al queda ever has.
tell you what. this is where i get pissed off.
where are YOU from? you could always, ya know, go back there...i'm sure the protesters there won't be in your way.
living in NYC, i do take a bit of offense at you making light of al-queda and them not terrorizing you much. i couldn't go home for a few days. i had frantic parents. i couldn't get ahold of some friends for several days who worked in or near the trade centers.
so you can take your little inconvenience on your cute little walk, and shove it up your ass.
this is such a dumb argument on your part.
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| 18 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 16:11
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Tree i am sure you say the same thing when a hurricane hits, yes they effected you allot and that is terrible but not me. I am sorry but there are others in this country the world does not(have to) revolve around NYC.
this arguement is dumb but PD i think you are making the same judgement call razor is made of me Apparently boikin's standard for legality is whether he likes it or not.
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| 19 | Boldwin
ID: 40850297
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 16:29
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This incoherent thread reminds me of the time my UPS poker group [in my college years] spent so long playing that we went out to Northwestern University along the lake and took in the sunrise.
The leftist police state that is Northwestern promptly banned us all for life from Northwestern property.
They have no problem producing the unibomber but let a guy watch the sunrise and all hell breaks loose.
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| 20 | Perm Dude
ID: 493888
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 16:36
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boikin: The difference between a skateboarder and protester is stark. You aren't playing dumb, I don't think, but surely you see the difference between the protected free speech of protesters and the "rights" of skateboarders?
Free speech is the right to protest the government. It is in the Constitution to protect the rights of people who want to protest what the government does. It is the quintisential conservative right in this country. To have the chief law enforcement officer for a state say: "I don't believe the First Amendment is any guarantee to those who wish to disrupt the government" is stunning -- that has it exactly backwards.
I genuinely don't know what Constitutional rights skateboarders are asserting when they are complaining about getting hassled by cops.
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| 21 | Tree
ID: 13714198
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 17:29
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Tree i am sure you say the same thing when a hurricane hits, yes they effected you allot and that is terrible but not me. I am sorry but there are others in this country the world does not(have to) revolve around NYC.
i agree. but to be insensitive, is to be an ass.
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| 22 | bibA
ID: 16954615
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 18:03
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So Boikin, you will stand by your answer to my asking you what punishment terrorists should receive?
just the same punishment the kid on the skateboard gets, harassment by the police, fines,,,
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| 23 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 10:17
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i agree. but to be insensitive, is to be an ass. yes, sorry.
RE 22...yes, not the methods you suggested.
PD - the first amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
First show me where it grants you the right to disturb the government. secondly the freedom of speech is not right to protest the government it is freedom to say what you want and that includes religion as much as it does the government. Finally the kid should be protected under the freedom to assemble.
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| 24 | Perm Dude
ID: 5792398
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 11:20
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Define "disturb" boikin. Do you think that if the government has the ability to define disturb itself it will decide to curtain any speech it doesn't like? That's right.
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| 25 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 12:53
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PD - so you are saying that disturb does not get defined everyday? it does, i can not walk in court room a yell and scream that the trial is unfair, the kid is defined as disturbing. do not act all high and mighty and think things are not judged every day.
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| 26 | bibA
ID: 16954615
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 13:36
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Come on Boikin....you are the one equating people who disturb their neighbors, whether skateboarding, protesting, or yelling in a courtroom, with terrorists who bomb, kill and maim.
Possibly if you just admitted that you made a gross exageration, one could be a bit more empathetic to that which bothers you.
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| 27 | Perm Dude
ID: 5792398
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 13:42
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#25: I'm saying that free speech, when practiced, disturbs the government by definition.
When you protest a government action, are you not disturbing the government?
What you are complaining about is that, in this democratic and free society, you are being inconvenienced. I really have no patience for such a childish outlook, frankly. The price for living free is, at times, to be inconvenienced. Deal with it.
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| 28 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 14:01
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The price for living free is, at times, to be inconvenienced this is oxymoron you can not be both free and inconvenienced.
What you are complaining about is that, in this democratic and free society, you are being inconvenienced. yes, what do we all do here is complain about? we have several threads dealing with the legalization of marijuana, clearly either we are just complaining about being inconvenienced or we do live in free society.
re. 26 terrorist do more than maim and kill if terrorist uses a cyber attack to slow the internet it would be seen as a terrorist attack no one was killed no one is maimed we have been merely inconvenienced. It is all a matter of opinion just George Washington is see as hero when in fact he was terrorist.
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| 29 | Razor
ID: 545172413
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 14:01
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This thread annoys me. boikin should be treated as a terrorist.
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