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Subject: Swine Flu Posted by: Tree - [41371322] Wed, Apr 29, 2009, 21:41 well, panic is setting in. might as well talk about it. from Ft. Worth, Texas, the city i grew up in. All Fort Worth schools closed amid flu concerns 144 schools closed at least through May 8. | |||||||
| 28 | boikin ID: 532592112 Thu, Apr 30, 2009, 17:19 | I suspect it is man-made. the vaccine or the virus? | ||||||
| 29 | weykool ID: 2842717 Thu, Apr 30, 2009, 18:32 |
B7 I believe that a virus is not anything that we can make. It is naturally occuring and it mutates so new vaccines have to be developed which in most cases are actually the vurus itself that the body can use to fight off the new strain. According to wikipedia the deaths you are referring to were not caused but the vaccine although the media at the time were trying to imply that it might be the cause. Someone should check to see if Biden was a part of the media back then trying to incite hysteria. | ||||||
| 30 | Building 7 secluded ID: 9329258 Thu, Apr 30, 2009, 19:13 | We can't make a virus from scratch, but I think we can genetically alter one that already exists. I also suspect they are working on one that kills specific races of people or ones with specific genetic markers. A lot of the world's problems would be solved if there were a lot less people in the world. So I suspect the virus is man-made. They probably made it down the hall from where they made the weaponized anthrax. | ||||||
| 31 | weykool ID: 4694122 Thu, Apr 30, 2009, 19:23 |
#30. I think I read a couple of those theories here. Conspiracy theories | ||||||
| 32 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Thu, Apr 30, 2009, 19:57 |
It was once said that a black man would become president when "pigs fly", and sure enough 100 days into his term "swine flu". | ||||||
| 33 | Perm Dude ID: 343113011 Thu, Apr 30, 2009, 20:03 |
Via Andrew Sullivan: | ||||||
| 34 | C.SuperFreak ID: 33353022 Thu, Apr 30, 2009, 23:07 | Swine Pooh? | ||||||
| 35 | Building 7 ID: 471052128 Fri, May 01, 2009, 09:40 |
Artificially created virus can escape laboratory Warning. Warning. This link will take you to a site that is not affiliated with Big Media. | ||||||
| 36 | Mith ID: 2894309 Fri, May 01, 2009, 10:11 | Ah, Alex Jones. Quite possibly the only person who could manage to piss me off by assaulting Michelle Malkin. | ||||||
| 37 | DWetzel ID: 278201415 Fri, May 01, 2009, 10:59 |
Re: #31... Tinfoil helmets: Government scam to invade our brains! | ||||||
| 38 | Building 7 in hiding ID: 9329258 Fri, May 01, 2009, 20:49 |
Scientists have now discovered how the pandemic started [Img src=  width=550]
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| 39 | WiddleAvi Sustainer ID: 361032112 Sat, May 02, 2009, 16:38 | As mentioned earlier in thia thread this whole thing seems so overblown. On average 36,000 people dies every year from the Flu in US alone. Works out to about 100 people a day dying from the Flu. The headline should be something like this: We have 10 new confirmed cased of swine flu today and 100 people who died from the regular flu. | ||||||
| 40 | Building 7 in hiding ID: 9329258 Sun, May 03, 2009, 10:52 |
According to wikipedia the deaths you are referring to were not caused but the vaccine although the media at the time were trying to imply that it might be the cause. From Wikipedia: Overall, about 500 cases of Guillain-Barr� syndrome (GBS), resulting in death from severe pulmonary complications for 25 people, which, according to Dr. P. Haber, were probably caused by an immunopathological reaction to the 1976 vaccine. Other influenza vaccines have not been linked to GBS, though caution is advised for certain individuals, particularly those with a history of GBS.[57][58] Still, as observed by a participant in the immunization program, the vaccine killed more Americans than the disease did.[59] | ||||||
| 41 | Perm Dude ID: 6445217 Sun, May 03, 2009, 13:34 |
Interesting. I had believed the numbers to be about even. But I was only 11 at the time, so what do I know! Of course, Rep Bachmann, in pointing out the "coincidence" of swine flu and Democratic Administrations gets it wrong herself. As expected, the numbers are coming down a bit as more information becomes available | ||||||
| 42 | Perm Dude ID: 154552311 Thu, Jun 18, 2009, 19:25 | Sanofi to donate 100 million doses of swine flu vaccine to WHO | ||||||
| 43 | nerveclinic ID: 58571918 Fri, Jun 19, 2009, 19:07 |
Biden has to be the dumbest VP this country has ever had. Apparently you are not familiar with VP Quayle? | ||||||
| 44 | Boldwin ID: 26451820 Fri, Jun 19, 2009, 21:45 |
Based on what? The hoof-in-mouth disease moments are so lopsidedly in Biden's side of the court as to render that decision obvious. Frankly I kinda like the guy because he's one of the rarest of politicians who will actually let the truth slip out. Which doesn't mean he's not a bonehead. He really is. | ||||||
| 45 | Building 7 ID: 43735169 Tue, Jan 19, 2010, 22:27 |
International Hearings Begin On “Falsified” Swine Flu Pandemic The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, a 47 nation body encompassing democratically elected members of parliament, has begun hearings to investigate whether the H1N1 swine flu pandemic was falsified or exaggerated in an attempt to profit from vaccine sales. A PACE resolution, passed last month, gave context to the hearings which began yesterday in Strasbourg. “In order to promote their patented drugs and vaccines against flu, pharmaceutical companies influenced scientists and official agencies, responsible for public health standards to alarm governments worldwide and make them squander tight health resources for inefficient vaccine strategies and needlessly expose millions of healthy people to the risk of an unknown amount of side-effects of insufficiently tested vaccines. The “bird-flu”-campaign (2005/06) combined with the “swine-flu”-campaign seem to have caused a great deal of damage not only to some vaccinated patients and to public health-budgets, but to the credibility and accountability of important international health-agencies.” Heading the hearings will be chairman of the Health Committee of PACE, Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, a former German lawmaker, a medical doctor and epidemiologist. Wodarg has referred to the swine flu pandemic as “one of the greatest medical scandals of the century.” | ||||||
| 46 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Tue, Jan 19, 2010, 23:13 |
*forehead slap* On the list of drugs that the pharmaceutical companies profit from, swine flu vaccine is like 840840204098th on the list. | ||||||
| 47 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 00:21 | Yeah, since the vast majority of the vaccines are paid for by governments at reduced rates, there isn't a ton of money to be made. Which is why there are so few companies that make the vaccines. | ||||||
| 48 | Building 7 ID: 43735169 Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 00:33 |
*forehead slap* On the list of drugs that the pharmaceutical companies profit from, swine flu vaccine is like 840840204098th on the list. there isn't a ton of money to be made. From the article in post #45: "Pharmaceutical companies are thought to have made a profit of somewhere in the region of $7.5-$10 billion on H1N1 vaccines." That's profit. | ||||||
| 49 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 01:38 |
Pharmaceutical companies are thought to have made a profit of somewhere in the region of $7.5-$10 billion on H1N1 vaccines. The worldwide death toll from H1N1 is thought to be around 13,500, just over a third of the number who die from regular flu every year in the U.S. alone. This seems a little vague, even for you, B7. And since flu typically kills something like 40,000 people per year in the US alone, the swift reaction to N1H1 (including higher vaccination rates, public information, transmission reduction through change in habit, etc) seems a likely reason that the numbers are relatively low right now (there is no "seasonal flu" the last couple of years). | ||||||
| 50 | Boldwin ID: 26451820 Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 03:26 | I personally believe the hand sanitizer industry was behind the whole thing. | ||||||
| 51 | biliruben ID: 16105237 Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 09:00 |
Heh. That's probably more plausible. Given how hard to was to get the H1N1 vaccine, I very much doubt it was a conspiracy. The nasal doses have a higher profit margin, I hear. My 2 year old preferred the shot. | ||||||
| 52 | WTC Building 7 ID: 471052128 Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 09:14 |
Which statement is more accurate? *forehead slap* On the list of drugs that the pharmaceutical companies profit from, swine flu vaccine is like 840840204098th on the list. * there isn't a ton of money to be made. * Pharmaceutical companies are thought to have made a profit of somewhere in the region of $7.5-$10 billion on H1N1 vaccines. ........................................ I didn't convene the hearings. They must have some reason for doing so. You're doubting the venerable Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg? | ||||||
| 53 | biliruben ID: 16105237 Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 09:25 |
A commie and an epidemiologist? What's not to like. He's my kinda guy. I actually sort of agree with him. I spent most of the last year allaying fears, not stoking them. The question is who do blame, if anyone, and the motives. First, I would blame: 1) The media. 2) Moms. 3) Fear-mongering politicos. Then we can start talking about drug companies and unethical scientists. Of course if it had mutated, who'd be laughing then? | ||||||
| 54 | Building 7 Leader ID: 171572711 Tue, May 04, 2010, 17:08 |
U.S. has 71 million unused flu vaccine doses Something like 20% got the swine flu shot. Even, after Obama recommended it. And HHS insisting people get it. Even after declaring it a pandemic. This shows that people don't automatically trust the federal governemnt anymore. And they shouldn't. | ||||||
| 55 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Tue, May 04, 2010, 17:17 | Or, maybe they don't have insurance to pay for it. | ||||||
| 56 | Tree ID: 248472317 Tue, May 04, 2010, 17:20 |
This shows that people don't automatically trust the federal governemnt anymore. what?!?!!?!? there could be a million different reasons why people didn't get flu shots. me? i try to avoid taking meds as much as possible. that is such an incredible reach on your part. | ||||||
| 57 | Myboyjack ID: 447112610 Tue, May 04, 2010, 17:23 |
I don't believe it is a lack of insurance, PD. They are giving it away in most locales. | ||||||
| 58 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Tue, May 04, 2010, 17:23 |
Wonder what percentage of those 12,000 Americans who died of swine flu didn't trust the government. Darwin at work? | ||||||
| 59 | biliruben ID: 358252515 Tue, May 04, 2010, 17:57 |
We the people. Self-loathing kills. | ||||||
| 60 | DWetzel at work ID: 49962710 Tue, May 04, 2010, 17:58 | I'll go with "people have a really really poor understanding of risk vs. reward when it comes to health issues". | ||||||
| 61 | Building 7 Leader ID: 171572711 Tue, May 04, 2010, 22:38 |
How many of the 12,000 got the shot and died anyways. How many died just from getting the shot. A pandemic is declared. A shot is available for a nominal charge, free for poor people. The government insists we get the vaccine. Only 20% do so, and they are stuck with 70 million unused doses. There must be some reason for the low turnout. My guess is that a lot of people did now believe the government's dire warnings. And they were right. | ||||||
| 62 | astade Sustainer ID: 214361313 Tue, May 04, 2010, 23:35 | regardless of the causes for people not getting the vaccine, shouldn't the government (HHS, CDC, etc) err on the side of caution? I'm not suggesting that they should scream "pandemic" whenever a new strain is discovered, but I don't mind them stressing the importance of safeguards against the current flu. just my 2 cents. | ||||||
| 63 | Tree ID: 248472317 Tue, May 04, 2010, 23:41 |
There must be some reason for the low turnout. My guess is that a lot of people did now believe the government's dire warnings. And they were right which is still a long leap from "not trusting the government." | ||||||
| 64 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Wed, May 05, 2010, 04:15 |
There must be some reason... I don't see any reason to think this is a "low turnout" and I'm not seeing any research on your part to check it out. You seem content to throw numbers around but I'm not seeing anything to justify what you are presenting as facts. What is a typical inoculation rate in the US? How much overstock is there typically? How many of those 12K (plus 250K or so hospitalized) got the vaccine? What leads you to believe that there is, in fact, no swine flu pandemic? Until you answer these and other questions, you aren't in a position to make the leaps you are about the vaccine. | ||||||
| 65 | Building 7 Leader ID: 171572711 Wed, May 05, 2010, 09:03 |
"Sebelius said last month that 162 million doses were produced and distributed, but only 90 million actually got into people's arms or noses." I gave you 71 million reasons why it was a low turnout. So they have to throw away about half the doses. Soon these people will be in charge of ordering supplies for all of health care. What could go wrong? | ||||||
| 66 | Pancho Villa ID: 29118157 Wed, May 05, 2010, 09:14 |
Soon these people will be in charge of ordering supplies for all of health care. Who told you that? | ||||||
| 67 | Tree ID: 248472317 Wed, May 05, 2010, 09:16 |
Who told you that? Baldwin. | ||||||
| 68 | biliruben ID: 16105237 Wed, May 05, 2010, 09:33 |
MMWR - Seasonal Flu Vaccine coverage. By January 31, estimated state seasonal influenza vaccination coverage among persons aged ≥6 months ranged from 30.3% to 54.5% (median: 40.6%). Median coverage was 41.2% for children aged 6 months--17 years, 38.3% for adults aged 18--49 years with high-risk conditions, 28.8% for adults aged 18--49 years without high-risk conditions, 45.5% for adults aged 50--64 years, and 69.3% for adults aged ≥65 years. These results, compared with the previous season (3), suggest large increases in coverage for children and a moderate increase for adults aged 18--49 years without high-risk conditions. So seasonal was up substantially. I'll see if I can find some H1N1-specific coverage data, but I think this puts a fairly big hole in the narrative. | ||||||
| 69 | biliruben ID: 16105237 Wed, May 05, 2010, 09:38 |
Also, I don't know about where you were but it was really, really hard to get here. The drug company had trouble ramping-up and delivering promised doses, so it was rationed to only high-risk groups until well into 2010. They finally started delivering in quantity, but well late. | ||||||
| 70 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Wed, May 05, 2010, 09:51 | Here are 6000 rebuttals. | ||||||
| 71 | biliruben ID: 16105237 Wed, May 05, 2010, 09:54 |
MMWR - H1N1 Coverage: In July 2009, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) issued recommendations for use of the influenza A (H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccine (1). Recognizing that the vaccine supply would not be ample immediately but would grow over time, ACIP identified 1) initial target groups, consisting of approximately 160 million persons, and 2) a limited vaccine subset of the target groups, initially estimated at 42 million persons (and more recently estimated at 62 million persons), to receive first priority while the 2009 H1N1 vaccine supply was limited (1). ACIP recommended expanding vaccination to the rest of the population as vaccine supplies increased. To estimate 2009 H1N1 vaccination coverage to date for the 2009--10 influenza season, CDC analyzed results from the National 2009 H1N1 Flu Survey (NHFS) and the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) survey, conducted during December 27, 2009--January 2, 2010, and December 1--27, 2009, respectively. The results indicated that, as of January 2, an estimated 20.3% of the U.S. population (61 million persons) had been vaccinated, including 27.9% of persons in the initial target groups and 37.5% of those in the limited vaccine subset. An estimated 29.4% of U.S. children aged 6 months--18 years had been vaccinated. Now that an ample supply of 2009 H1N1 vaccine is available, efforts should continue to increase vaccination coverage among persons in the initial target groups and to offer vaccination to the rest of the U.S. population, including those aged ≥65 years (2). Disclosure: I'm working on a study to pinpoint determinants of vaccine hesitancy. I stupidly forgot to ask the question "do you trust the government?" however. | ||||||
| 72 | biliruben ID: 16105237 Wed, May 05, 2010, 10:01 | And for the record, it is a pandemic, just not as deadly as feared. | ||||||
| 73 | Building 7 Leader ID: 171572711 Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 14:33 |
Seventy million expired flu vaccines about to be incinerated as waste Forty million doses of H1N1 swine flu vaccine are about to go up in flames, and another 30 million will soon meet the same fate. They've expired, you see, and despite the CDC's best efforts to push flu vaccines on the American people, the industry still couldn't find a way to offload seventy million doses of a vaccine that doesn't even work. So crank up the incinerators! When it comes to flu vaccines in the USA, it turns out we all got burned. I could have told you this was coming. Actually, myself and a long list of other natural health authors, doctors and independent journalists did tell you this was coming. We warned over a year ago that the swine flu pandemic was a hoax, and that the CDC and WHO were fanning the flames of a this false pandemic in order to increase demand for H1N1 vaccines that would inflate the profits of their corporate masters (the drug companies). What we didn't know at the time was how deep the corruption at the CDC and WHO really goes. It turns out that key advisors in both organizations were on the take from Big Pharma, collecting cash payments even as they pushed for a global declaration of a pandemic that never appeared. This was more than a mere statistical error or "guessing on the safe side" -- this was a planned conspiracy to create demand for vaccines by scaring the public into taking a drug that the industry already knows doesn't even work. The WHO still won't release the names of the discredit scientists who urged it to declare a stage six pandemic. Why the secrecy? Because the WHO doesn't want journalists looking into the financial ties between its advisors and the drug companies. And that's because they're all on the take. This entire charade was nothing more than pseudoscientific orgy of profit orchestrated to exploit the fears and health ignorance of the population for the sole purpose of generating money for powerful corporations. And it worked. World governments spent billions of dollars on H1N1 flu vaccines, many of which now need to be incinerated at additional taxpayer cost. The magnitude of theft of public dollars that took place under this H1N1 fiasco is simply staggering. This was one of the greatest public health swindles ever pulled off. In all, we're talking about close to half a billion dollars in public money that has been utterly wasted on flu vaccines that never even worked in the first place. Yes, you read that right: Flu vaccines don't work. Not a shred of evidence exists that they work any better than placebo. In fact, all the available evidence that I've been able to find shows that the H1N1 flu vaccine was never even scientifically tested in a legitimate clinical trial. | ||||||
| 74 | Boldwin ID: 42651210 Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 14:46 | And the Bush dynasty in it up to their scalps. | ||||||
| 75 | biliruben ID: 358252515 Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 19:11 |
There has been no clinical trial because it would be unethical to withhold the vaccine from a recommended population. Next you will calling for more studies of syphilis among the incarcerated. | ||||||
| 76 | Building 7 Leader ID: 171572711 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 19:52 |
Finland Suspends Swine Flu Shots After Vaccine Linked With Neurological Disorder As we reported earlier this year, Chair of the Council of Europe’s Sub-committee on Health Wolfgang Wodarg’s investigation into the 2009 swine flu outbreak found that the pandemic was a fake hoax manufactured by pharmaceutical companies in league with the WHO to make vast profits while endangering public health. Wodarg said that governments were “threatened” by special interest groups within the pharmaceutical industry as well as the WHO to buy the vaccines and inject their populations without any reasonable scientific reason for doing so, and yet in countries like Germany and France only around 6 per cent took the vaccine despite enough being available to cover 90 per cent of the population. Wodarg said there was “no other explanation” for what happened than the fact that the WHO worked in cahoots with the pharmaceutical industry to manufacture the panic in order to generate vast profits, agreeing with host Alex Jones that the entire farce was a hoax. He also explained how health authorities were “already waiting for something to happen” before the pandemic started and then exploited the virus for their own purposes. Professor Ulrich Keil, director of the World Health Organization’s Collaborating Centre for Epidemiology, also slammed the swine flu epidemic as an overblown “angst campaign”, devised in conjunction with major drug companies to boost profits for vaccine manufacturers. As Natural News’ Mike Adams reported, several members of the Emergency Committee expert panel that advised the World Health Organization (WHO) during the swine flu scare were receiving financial support from pharmaceutical manufacturers either during or prior to the epidemic | ||||||
| 77 | biliruben ID: 34435239 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 14:16 |
Oh gawd. The war on intellectual rigor continues. At least it was a fake hoax. I generally only concern myself with real hoaxes. | ||||||
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