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Subject: Holocaust Museum shooting
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [154552311] Wed, Jun 10, 2009, 18:43
Worth a mention
When does three far right wacko shootings make a trend? How about accompanied by the level of hatred that continues to spill out on the far right about Obama?
Shep Smith expresses his concern about the base.
Am I saying the GOP is violent? No--no way. Not for a moment. But I think the GOP in general, and some Republicans in particular, find that irresponsibly fanning the flames of citizen anger against their perceived political opponents to be about the only thing they know how to do anymore. And you reap what you sow. |
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| 28 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Fri, Jun 12, 2009, 13:48
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The Far Right's response includes---going after Shep Smith.
Like Stalin, whom they emulate, purging seems to be their initial response to anything bad.
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| 29 | Mith
ID: 2894309
Fri, Jun 12, 2009, 14:20
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Exceptional entry from Hilzoy today.
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| 30 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Fri, Jun 12, 2009, 21:12
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Statement by the shooter's son.
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| 31 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Sat, Jun 13, 2009, 09:42
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PV
How can you post that without an attribution?
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| 32 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Sat, Jun 13, 2009, 10:03
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All Hilzoy needs to do is recognize that no one in commentary carefully deliniates what percentage of the left or right to which they refer.
You could do it. You could come up with a well thot out estimate everytime but I haven't seen that from the left here in this forum, when they discuss the 'hateful right'.
Talk about ascribing bad motives to those you disagree with, when did anyone on the left ever worry that they might be guilty of that? Do they ever wring their hands over their own over-generalizing?
Excuse me if I point out the obvious...america just went thru eight years of watching liberals, a whole lot of them, exult over every coffin flying in from Iraq and use it as a tool against Bush. They ticked off every milestone like they were breathlessly waiting for McGuire's next homerun. Just how much difference was their between Sarge's Bush Derangement Syndrome and every other liberal poster on any forum out there? Hilzoy is spinning like mad to evade the obvious. Just how does he expect the right to view that attitude and not be angry about it and so many other inexcusable incomprehensible liberal positions? Perplexed amusement? That is the liberal response to the right when they don't agree?
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| 33 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Sat, Jun 13, 2009, 10:16
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did anyone on the left ever worry that they might be guilty of that?
Go ahead then, point out all the similar balnket statements I've made over the years. Or by all means, search Obsidian Wings for Hilzoy's sloppy uses of "the right".
Yes, Boldwin, the left is generally much more conscious of avoiding these types of broad-brush accusations.
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| 34 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Sat, Jun 13, 2009, 10:51
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...and Baldwin whines about moral equivalence.
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| 35 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sat, Jun 13, 2009, 12:27
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"Excuse me if I point out the obvious...america just went thru eight years of watching liberals, a whole lot of them, exult over every coffin flying in from Iraq and use it as a tool against Bush.
I think you mistyped "mourn" here. Except for a very small fringe wing of crackpots, NOBODY likes to see soldiers die.
You tend to like it even LESS, not more, when you think those lives are wasted for something they shouldn't be wasted for.
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| 36 | tree, on the treo
ID: 55220277
Sat, Jun 13, 2009, 12:45
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baldwin never met a mis-characterization or outright lie about the left that he didn't embrace with enthusiasm....
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| 38 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Sat, Jun 13, 2009, 13:08
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You could come up with a well thot out estimate everytime but I haven't seen that from the left here in this forum, when they discuss the 'hateful right'.
You really don't pay attention very well. I and others have been calling you out for precisely that activity for years. This forum is chock-full of literally scores (maybe hundreds) of your disparraging quotes unconditionally stating that "the left" is this and "liberals" are that, with no qualifying words or even any possibile literal interpretation that could refer only to a subgroup of the stated subject.
In fact, it is thanks in large part to this offensive and credibility-eroding habit of yours that I am careful to avoid such egregious blanket-type statements. For the record, a quick check using Guru's search tools (in both the active and deleted threads) will show that the term "hateful right" has actually never been used in the way you suggest in this forum prior to post 32 above (in one old thread I did refer to "hateful right-wing rhetoric"). I believe I have referred to the 'rabid right' from time to time, however I can assure you that in every one of those references, the intended subject was the portion of the right which I consider to rabid - and specifically not the entire political right broadly defined as 'rabid'.
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| 39 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Sun, Jun 14, 2009, 05:41
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Yes, Boldwin, the left is generally much more conscious of avoiding these types of broad-brush accusations. - Mith
Yeah, visit most lib sites and you trip over the term repugs nearly every other post.
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| 40 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Sun, Jun 14, 2009, 16:47
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First I've heard that term. What sites do you troll?
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| 41 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Sun, Jun 14, 2009, 18:56
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The ones you guys link to.
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| 42 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Sun, Jun 14, 2009, 19:30
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The ones you guys link to.
typical answer from Baldwin when he's on the run - he doesn't answer, and tries to turn it around on you.
i stopped searching google after 5 pages. aside from some comments on news articles by readers and a few blogs i'd never heard of, the only entry that could even be construed as evidence would be This reader's blog on Talking Points Memo, written OVER THREE YEARS AGO...
I'd not heard the term either until you mentioned it Baldwin, and considering the various things you refuse to read that might actually educate you, i have serious doubt you spend much time on the mainstream liberal blogs.
but please, i know i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and i suspect others here will.
provide some contemporary links from some of the sites we link to with regularity, and I know i will take back my criticism of you here, but quite frankly, i think you're just pulling stuff out of your butt, and don't have a leg to stand on.
prove me wrong.
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| 43 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Sun, Jun 14, 2009, 20:09
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visit most lib sites and you trip over the term repugs nearly every other post
...?
I've occassionally come across the term in blog comments sections. So what?
Juvenile insults like "repug" aren't anything like the type of broad brush accusations I'm talking about.
Does B really think referring to Republicans (most typically pols, I believe) as "repugs" is the same as claiming leftists get excited when American soldiers get killed and celebrate each and every American solider's death?
Congratulations. You just surrendered the right to ever have a complaint about moral equivolence taken seriously again.
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| 44 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Mon, Jun 15, 2009, 23:17
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no shocker Baldwin backed off here as well.
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| 45 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 17:34
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Tree
I don't come here to talk to you. I refuse to be dragged down to your level as Boxman was. I will as a rule not be answering you at all.
If by some miracle someone here whose intelligence I respect wants me to address your point, he will have to translate your debate point from the original troll.
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| 46 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 17:36
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There is someone here whose intelligence you respect?
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| 47 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 17:44
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You on a good day. Bili, Nerve, Razor if he'd actually do anything serious around here. Other less frequent potsers if I gave it some thot. MBJ but who sees him more than once a month now days? [Not meaning to slight the deserving]. Plenty who only lurk these days, having been driven away by the trolls.
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| 48 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 17:45
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PD, three years ago. And if he ever recovers his soul.
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| 49 | tree, on the treo
ID: 515451613
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 18:04
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bili made the same challenge. in fact, he made it first....
no surprise you won't meet my challenges. must chap your hide to be made a fool by someone you mock so often...
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| 50 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 18:12
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Let's prove it this way. I never frequent liberal sites unless you count this one. So it's obvious where I run into it all the time. Either your links or liberals commentng on conservative sites.
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| 51 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 18:15
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Post 50 constitutes as "proof"? Of what?
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| 52 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 19:02
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Oh, come on. You can't expect him to use the search function to find actual examples. Can't you just take his word for it?
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| 53 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 19:53
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Proof of 'where'.
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| 54 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 20:24
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I think what my esteemed colleague is trying to say is that we believe you are lying or mistaken. It should be very easy for you to provide counter-examples to correct this assumption on our parts if you are, in fact, not lying or mistaken.
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| 55 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 20:27
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Typical liberal wateringhole:
Indymedia
One of PD's fav sites:
Talkingpointsmemo
One of the currently most popular liberal sites:
Huffington Post
No need to go on.
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| 56 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 20:28
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And as proper liberal postmodernists, you guys don't even believe in truth. It's all relative...remember?
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| 57 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 20:32
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Good question, MITH.
Single comments on blog sites, for example, are probably not the level of "proof" that Baldwin should be striving for. But hey, let's let him set the bar here.
You can see where this is going, Baldwin. I doubt you have the ability to stop yourself, however.
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| 58 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 20:41
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Baah! Who am I kidding? Look up "thin-skinned bomb thrower" in the dictionary and you'll see Baldwin's bunker.
Write when you get some standards, Baldwin.
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| 59 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 20:42
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He's deliberately mucking up the discussion. Anyone who can read knows this nonsense is a distraction from post 43, not a response to it.
By all means just let him convince himself he's won the debate. As far as he's concerned he's never lost one here, anyway.
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| 60 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 20:57
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Honestly no one has to prove the other issue. You guys hung on every milestone in the casualty list, every photo from a plane hauling coffins to Germany as if it were the freakin' holy grail.
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| 61 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 21:01
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Really? Where, Baldwin?
MITH: This coming from a guy who prides himself on not sucking the teat of the MSM so much, he actively reads and links to a site which once took seriously and quoted (without attribution) from The Onion. A man who dislikes the media so much that he actively cheers on the biggest media whore in the land as she does her "swing and a miss!" act on anyone she can in order to get--media attention.
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| 62 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 21:10
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Oh so be it. I get excited when American soldiers die. There, I admitted it.
I love it. In fact I celebrate each and every last one.
So my secret's out.
Old Baldy wins another one.
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| 63 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 21:28
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Sarge more than you. I have to have a happy meter trained on each and every one of you? It was in the air. That was the liberal talking points. That was the prize you were gonna wave around to usher in the next Dem admionistration. Well you got yer administration and as usual you weren't too concerned if americaans died for nothing so long as it got you the power you hold so dear.
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| 64 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 21:29
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Drop your email and I promise I'll remember send you an invite to the next dead soldier blowout.
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| 65 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 21:30
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we play techno music.
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| 66 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 21:30
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from russia.
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| 67 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 21:51
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Figures.
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| 68 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 22:04
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Typical liberal wateringhole:
Indymedia
One of PD's fav sites:
Talkingpointsmemo
One of the currently most popular liberal sites:
Huffington Post
No need to go on.
so you linked to a bunch of personal blogs and comment pages, some going as far back as 2001??!?!?!
again - try and do something even remotely mainstream. i'm sure, given the infinite monkey theorem which absolutely defines you personally, you'll find a few, but the fact of the matter is that you have no qualms lying, misleading, deceiving, and just being plain old untruthful in an attempt to prove a false point.
you no longer bother to do real research, you no longer adhere to many of the religious beliefs you probably did to at one time, and you no longer have the conviction and honesty to legitimately back up a claim you make, instead, depending on tactics you hope will fool people, but in reality, just make people see you as a fool.
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| 69 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 23:10
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Boldwin, you guys relish the thought of torturing people. You guys relish blowing up villages of innocent villagers. You guys relish taking away all the freedoms that Americans enjoy in the name of security.
Of course, I don't need any proof, it's just obvious.
Are you satisfied with this level of argument?
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| 70 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 23:22
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I might have suggested that he gleefully rejoices each and every last aborted fetus.
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| 71 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 03:43
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I just want you to know what it looked like when you were counting down to 2000 troop deaths as breathlessly as if you were watching the ball drop new year's day.
If you thot that was impressing the right you were right but for all the wrong reasons.
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| 72 | Tree
ID: 41371322
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 07:26
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yea, because THAT'S how it happened.
there was no glee in that number, or in the fact we've since more than doubled that number. it was simply a benchmark to measure the cost of this terrible and ill-conceived war.
ironic that you talk about the excitement over deaths - little doubt that every time a muslim dies, there is celebration in your heart.
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| 73 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 07:29
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I couldn't possibly care any less about whether you know that your memory of any "countdown" that I took part in is a fabrication of your imagination.
And for the record while I argued for allowing the press to use images of coffin-draped caskets (a position I still hold) I don't believe I have ever used the image of a dead American soldier to argue a politica point. If I search hard how many political points of yours will I come across which employ the image of an aborted fetus?
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| 74 | sarge33rd
ID: 42541176
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 07:41
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Post 63...Oh really Baldwin? For some "reason" (and I use the term VERY loosely); yo seem to feel as though I was elated with the deaths of fellow soldiers?
You sir; are an ass. The magnitude of which has possibly never before been seen on this Earth.
You could not be, it is not possible, more wrong.
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| 76 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 08:17
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Sarge
I missed that he included your name with mine in that post.
There is no way he'll ever produce a post from you or I celebrating the deaths of American soldiers. In fact I could produce posts in the Abu Ghraib thread from both of us rushing to the defense of American troops from absurd accusations from at least one far-left radical poster. Not exactly the convenient position for Iraq War opposers to take.
I'm sure you know, but be reassured anyway that I and most regulars here would never sully the honor of your service by accusing you of celebrating the combat deaths of your fellow soldiers.
It takes a real scumbag to accuse a veteran of such a thing without offering even a shred of proof. I don't care what perverse fantasies his dementia has him believing are real memories - that's simply vile.
We're all guilty of occasionally taking our arguments a step too far. This is one of those times.
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| 77 | Boldwin
ID: 133532810
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 13:26
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Those countdowns were sure a counter-productive political stunt then, weren't they? Because they sure gave people the wrong impression then.
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| 78 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 13:28
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Obviously you prefer keeping the real cost of the crusade hidden as much as possible.
PS: We're all still awaiting your apology to sarge.
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| 79 | Mith
ID: 2894309
Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 13:28
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What countdowns?
Produce one from Sarge or me.
Just one.
Or shut the fu¢k up.
Please.
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